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Tinker-Jet β DeviantArt is NOT Sta.sh
Published: 2012-11-08 04:55:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 3268; Favourites: 38; Downloads: 8
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THISΒ SECTION HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE FEBRUARY 2013. It will, however, remain as documentation of deviantART's progress.PS. Warning: Large file.
The original Sta.sh update post can be found here.
We now have confirmation that they have no intention to go back to the old upload method... What a shame.
For any moderators or administrators who are reading this, please scroll down and read 'The Principle' and 'Problem Summary' respectively. It's all been written in plain black and green for your convenience.
The Principle:
As a community, DeviantArt users should be given the right to choose whether or not they participate in an experiment.
The Story:
On October 16th, 2012,Β DeviantArt implemented a new upload system riddled with bugs and a hideously out-of-theme colour scheme and forced over 3000 users to use the new system without any prior notification or warning. The action taken against these users was entirely uncalled for as many people lost the ability to upload from older computers and mobile devices. Furthermore, these users were forced into a test that they could not opt out of. People who lost their ability to upload altogether have gone for almost a month, waiting for problems to be addressed and their voices have not yet been heeded in a satisfactory way.
The Point:
When DeviantArt loses its community, it loses money and support! Whether someone has a free account or not is entirely irrelevant. People may have been premium members in the past, intend to become premium members sometime in the future or have purchased prints/points/otherwise that have somehow given back to DeviantArt. Everyone is a potential customer and DeviantArt needs to know that we won't stand idly by while they turn this sadistic behaviour into a habit.
DeviantArt users should be given the right to choose, regardless of whether or not they prefer the new theme!
For the convenience of the DeviantArt staff, I have compiled a list of the problems with Sta.sh which will be updated by yours truly as more complaints come in.
Problem Summary:
- The transition to a glaring white and pale blue background. I really do wish that you guys would make Sta.sh uniform with the rest of the site. After all, I think that a colour scheme inspired by nature is far more befitting of an artist community than a colour scheme that closely resembles a mental hospital.
- The upload process still feels messy and is not user-friendly in the least. The user has to look left and right to make sure they're filling in all of the required information. It's much easier to just scroll down, fill in the boxes and tick the circles/squares. Trying to make the Sta.sh upload page a preview of what the final upload will look like was a cute idea but it's not practical.
- Every time you go to update information (or replace a file) on a deviation, it asks you for the category again. It's extremely annoying when all you're trying to do is perform a minor edit because often times, you have to go back to your gallery just to figure out what category you stuck it under previously.
- Users are unable to upload pictures/literature en masse, and many people who make a living off of art suffer greatly for it as their time is constantly impeded upon. (Even with the ability to submit en masse to Sta.sh, users STILL have to go to Sta.sh and submit each picture to DeviantArt one-by-one. It's extremely tedious!)
- Sta.sh lags far more than the older upload method and doesn't appear to work with slower internet connections. Also, a lot of things are hidden under drop-down menus which makes uploading take longer. ChelseaWhiteArt , TheRanter1 , A-Lucky-Mutt
- Sta.sh usually takes the name of the image file instead of allowing the artist to name it what they choose. Many people would rather name the deviation first. Ask-GTM
- The pop-ups on the side are really distracting (and take longer to load). If you insist on keeping them then at least allow the user to toggle these on and off. Ask-GTM
- You can't sort files alphabetically by name using Sta.sh. AlphaOmega2k
- Users receive the error: "SORRY, STAS SHALAEV IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE IN YOUR REGION" then are unable to log in afterward. AlphaOmega2k
COMMENT! COMMENT! COMMENT!
What are your problems with Sta.sh? Post them here and the artist comment box will be updated!
Let's get all of our complaints into one easy-to-read, comprehensible post.
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Before the one up top was replaced, Sta.sh was an optional uploader used alongside it, so it wasn't necessarily meant to match the rest of the site because of its optional use. (Think DA muro. You don't have to use it, but it's there.)
They tried many features and it was thoroughly tested,Β albeit on an experimental basis,Β for years. Problems cropped up after it was released as the default uploader and thousands ofΒ users could no longer upload at all, even those who paid for use of the site. We asked for the return of the original uploader until the kinks were worked out, but deviantART ignored us and set their sight on the future of Sta.sh. All very admirable, but it was a year or so until they finally got Sta.sh to where it is now. (And they're still working on it, I'm sure.)
Of course, remnants remain. It would be nice if the default (see: only) uploader of the site actually matched the rest of the site instead of looking like you're somewhere you're not supposed to be. It seems very doubtful they'll change it nowΒ since they've already left it this long, but we can still hope.
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Well, better get used to it. There's a high chance that dA v8 might even adopt this style across the whole site.
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I've grown used to it...
... I still don't like it.
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If you'll look at the artist comment below the image, this was last updated in February of last year.
With that said, I'm glad it works for you, but many people still have issues with Sta.sh, and have left DeviantArt because of it.
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I really wish they'd let us choose which upload style we want.
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I really want the old upload back. I hate the new one so much.
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They should bring back the old upload. White and Green DO NOT go together!
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The old system worked with my Firefox 2.0.
But now they've gone and THROWN IT ALL AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.
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THE STUPID THING WON'T LET ME UPLOAD!!! IT STAYS AT 0!!! >: (
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I miss the old uploading system so much, it was a lot simpler for me. it made me REALLY mad when they changed it >XC
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It's May and I'm still mad that they changed it. >.>
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we all are. I wonder if a lot of people ask the one who changed it they might change it back :3
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That's what people were trying to do back in October, November, December... all the way to February.
They were effectively IGNORED. x__X
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grrrrrrr....I hate people sometimes
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I do too. >.>
Honestly, people pay to use the site and even those who don't pay are potential customers. Shouldn't they be shown some respect?
I feel especially stabbed in the back because I bought multiple premium memberships JUST BEFORE this storm hit.
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awww, im sorry bout that DX and ya it would be nice to get some respect by being allowed to use the old one
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It's not your fault.
Really, even if they did change the old one, I would've still (at the very least) liked a downward compatible version to be implemented with a choice between the DeviantGreen layout and the Sta.sh one for those who had a preference for one or the other.
I suppose that's still too much to ask for. >.>
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Well, I actually have had no problems using the newer interface, since I am a newer member and have only used that interface. Well it's peobably also that I"m just an amateur while the ones who complain the most often are skilled artists.
-I don't mind the white. It matches with the Stash theme - in fact, I like that it's synced with Sta.sh. For example, if your browser accidentally closed/crashed in the middle of writing a description, your long description as well as your deviation are still on Sta.sh next time you come back.
- Left and right? What are you talking about? You still scroll down to submit.
- I don't think that image name is an isuue - after all, no matter what interface you use, you'll still select the title box and slap down the title. In fact, if you named your file exacly how you're going to publish it, it's actually quite convenient.
- I think that the new interface actually looks like dA has aged and it looks modern, compared to the old one.
... YOu know what? A "I like the new submit page" rant needs a deviation all on its own. I think this might sound a bit unfair because I never used the old submit page. I do agree with some pointers (like backwards incompatibility and multiple files) but mostly don't think the new submit page should recive as much hate as it does now. What I think dA should do, however, is to integrate the best of both interfaces and create one that everybody is sure to enjoy.
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I wouldn't call myself a skilled artist but I do have two websites and like to think that I have a basic understanding of how websites should be run.
- You just said it right there. It matches the STA.SH theme. This website isn't called Sta.sh, it's called DeviantArt. Sta.sh wasn't implemented until many years after DeviantArt's creation and it was treated as an optional interface. I had no problem with Sta.sh being optional. It's them shoving it down our throats that I can't stand when I STILL have no need of it.
- Yes, left and right. The original layout was a form that you filled in, scrolled down, checked and were finished. Now, your "download" and "print" options and whatever are on the SIDE. How is that CLEAN? Not to mention all of the junk (AKA. important details) hidden under drop-down menus.
- And actually, the automatic file naming wouldn't have been an issue if there weren't hundreds of users who COULD NOT CHANGE IT at the time of posting this deviation.
- And how is it that everyone thinks white is "modern"? It's BLAND. DeviantArt didn't get popular by being a second Photobucket.
And if you want to make one, go ahead but I doubt you'd have many followers after the fact that you mentioned your only experience has been with the new page.
I've been here since 2003 and have used every single upload page throughout the years at least once. I've had to leave DeviantArt multiple times because of stupid things they did.
A little timeline of my experience with DeviantArt:
- They fired the co-founder in 2005 and had a buggy website for the years following. I left after the site went to Hell in a handbasket and remained with SheezyArt until my friend invited me to return to DeviantArt in 2007.
- In 2007, it was STILL buggy and many things still weren't working. After some failed attempts to salvage what was lost, I gave up and went back to SheezyArt until 2011 when SheezyArt broke the ability to upload for IE users.
- I returned to DeviantArt and was amazed that everything was WORKING. 2011... 2012... it was a great surprise AND relief. I remained here. Finally, for the first time since early 2005, I was able to be active and upload with zero issues.
- Suddenly, October 2012: Sta.sh, which was an OPTIONAL INTERFACE and still didn't even work THEN is introduced as the site's MAIN UPLOADING METHOD with no downward compatibility.
- 2012-time of this reply... The site is STILL buggy. What the hell? It's been eight months. I still have to constantly refresh Sta.sh to make sure that I'm able to click the buttons. I also have to do all of my uploads through FTP because 1. the page is an eyesore (yes, it is) and 2. because the page is just too unreliable.
I'm glad it works for you but many users were forced to leave the site after the update and anyone with an older browser who CAN'T upgrade is still stuck in the website's proverbial limbo.
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... oooooooooookay, then. But I didn't mean to insult anybody or diss others when I stated my opinion. And I certainly didn't expect someone to make a reply like this. But if I offended you, I"m sorry.
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to snap back like that. But pretty much everything you said seemed like an effort to debunk my post when we already know (clearly) where DeviantArt stands on the matter. (DeviantArt must have a positive opinion of the page if they shoved it down everyone's throats the way they did so we don't NEED anyone to make a "I like Sta.sh" page. It's unnecessary and would only serve as mockery for the people who haven't been able to upload for the last eight months, assuming many of the downward compatibility issues are still on-going.)
It was a very serious matter when it happened (back in October) because hundreds (if not thousands) of users could no longer use the site to upload. (Enough mobile users complained about the inability to upload from their devices that they were able to get a classic version of DeviantArt for mobile. It won't get any updates but updates don't matter when your device of choice is older than dirt.)
Honestly, by December, there were over 22,000 posts in the original journal announcing the release (and that was with all of the original multi-thousands that were deleted from the first couple of days/weeks). While they had the emote system, they had over 3,000 people angry... and that was just the anger emote. There were over 5,000 "votes" that were blatantly negative versus the 100 or less that were positive. Now, looking at the journal, there appear to be just over 19,000 posts which tells me that more comments were deleted. (The emote voting system was also removed which angered a lot of users.)
Right now, for me, there are issues that are still cropping up. For example, the buttons randomly stop working, I have to keep refreshing the page(s) and... I started using FTP to upload so I could avoid the ugly (broken) page for any longer than I have to. (I also can no longer delete DeviantWATCH notifications properly while browsing through the art but... that's not really a Sta.sh issue.)
Ranting aside, everyone IS entitled to their own opinion and like I said, I'm glad that it works for you. At least someone can derive some use from it.
I also agree that it'd be nice if DeviantArt could compromise and possibly add the option to switch between a DeviantGreen layout and a Sta.sh white one for those who prefer either but they've ignored 90% of the feedback they've been receiving since day one. (Honestly, if SheezyArt can allow every user to customize their profile colours/layouts entirely, I don't see why DeviantArt can't implement something as simple as a background choice for Sta.sh. Enough people pay to use the site...)
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I cant submit anything from Stash to DA, its send me to the error not found page !!!!!!!!!
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Sorry about the extremely late response but for the sake of knowing, do you still get an error when you try to upload or is it gone now?
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I use an old trashy computer that still runs on Mozilla Firefox Version 3.0; and it severely crashes when I try to update the browser to the new Firefox 19.0. And the new submit page does NOT work with my browser.
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Sorry about not getting back to you sooner. I was... away. (No sense in hanging around an art site you can't upload to, right?)
Anyway, it's May now. Have they resolved any of the compatibility issues for you?
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Nope. It still glitches.
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Can you get a screenshot of the issue you're having?
I imagine you've seen tickets and the higher-ups haven't been helpful. x__X
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How can I submit a screenshot if I it won't let me submit anything?
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I don't mean to submit it here.
Are you on any other sites that you can submit it to where it would be public?
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Nope. I'm just on here.
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I too dislike the new submit page because it takes too damn loung!
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I agree. It's May and it's still infuriating, having to constantly refresh it so it loads what it needs to load, and so you can click the buttons.
I've given up trying to upload to the Sta.sh page and use FTP. That way, I can forego having to look at the eyesore to make sure my stuff is uploading properly.
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They disabled the ability to change from one file format to a different one :S
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Forgive the extremely late response. I haven't been here for a while.
Is there any proof that that used to be a feature?
Because everyone I ask says that you never used to be able to change the format of an upload either.
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I did it all the time
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Then why are they claiming that that was never a feature? v__v;;
Are they just hoping that people will forget how the site used to operate so they can continue to force their subpar design down our throats?
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I think so :^P
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Sigh... Well, I just took a gander at your gallery. At least it looks like you're able to upload.
I know there was a point where hundreds (if not thousands) of users were entirely unable to do so.
I think I should maybe update this deviation with new issues as well since some of the old ones seem to have been addressed.
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the investments and changes are made to get an achievement and a successful outcome ,but if change is only beneficial for some people in particular and for other people is only creating problems then it's something not logical or reasonable and that persons who take important decisions and all you cause is the limitation and the manisfestaciΓ³n and reactions of different users in DA ,I do not come here to insult or offend, or anything about it, I'm not a member with paid account , I'm just a user free who tries to see the logical and reasonable sense of the thousands of ususarios who are here asking for help solve the problem ,I think even the users with paid accounts are making the reclaims for about the change we made ββDA ,
only the older system before , everything was is already established , in a way and the new applications are created for perform better function ,and unfortunately the answer to thousands of users is mostly the same, the problems ,then I think it is time to act and give a clear answer, if your administardores and creators of DA will remain with that change forever or if they will return to the old system, so simple, is it fair to have an answer for then take different decisions by each user ,Some are very frustrated, some annoying and others want to retire from DA ,the decision and reaction of each user is just to answer the problem generated ,but personally as free or free user I am here I sincerely hope there is a solution for everyone to be in peace so they can continue making more art to show everyone in the world here in DA
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Thank you for the wonderful speech and I apologize for the (very late) reply.
I'm still of the opinion that Sta.sh should've remained an optional interface as it only benefitted a smaller group of people.
I'm also of the opinion that people don't NEED to have a premium to give insight into how the site's main function should work. If anything, they should want the site to be presentable enough so that people will WANT to pay for the extra features.
Just my $0.02.
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I am having serious bugs with this uploading my art takes too long. and when i upload it it is posted as broken file (refer to my profile and to the art titled "peace" "cling to life") put simply the little preview won't show up and on "peace" the whole piece doesn't show up when it is clicked on.(and it won't be fixed even after i delete and resubmit over and over which is how i normally fix slight bugs). now i don't exactly know whether it's not compatible with my computer or if other deviants can see it.. but i would like this fixed. my complaint to DA
i agree with your comment of the likeness of the colors to a mental hospital
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Sorry about the really late response. I kind of disappeared for a while there because... if you can't upload art to an art site then what's the point?
They seem to have fixed some of the issues with Sta.sh regarding uploading. (At least for me.) But it's still as ugly, blinding and bland as stale potato chips.
There also seems to be a new bug with browsing/deleting pictures. I can't delete a notification from the picture page anymore.
I swear... HOW long has it been? Almost eight months? And they STILL don't have something working?
Anyway... silly rant aside, I'm glad you liked my comment.
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I have only two comments on Sta.sh.
First, is an option to sort files alphabeticly, by name. There is no such option
Second, is that sometimes I get error "SORRY, STAS SHALAEV IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE IN YOUR REGION" (quotation is written in caps) and I can't login then
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Is that a direct quote you gave for the error? D=
Seriously, one that makes it so you can't sign in? What're you doing, DeviantArt?!
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yeap, that was a copy-paste quatation...
but I think it appears only if you have not logged in yet or already logged out.
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I have only been here for a few months so I do not know what the original upload page was like, but I can tell you that the current page is not exactly user-friendly. The color scheme is uncomfortable and the design is such that is more time-consuming and difficult than what it could be. I certainly do not like the way it handles writing pieces by having me copy my original text and reformat it. I also do not understand why when I submit a work, it is automatically put into the sta.sh. Sure, that may be useful but what if I do not want my piece to be submitted there?
It seems to me that many other websites such as YouTube are making it more and more difficult for the users to...well, use.
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