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I like wearing modest clothing, but there are some girls who think it's weird that I wear them. Sometimes I wear short skirts or tops that show parts between my neck and boobs, so I don't know what is their problem.
And a few girls sometimes asks me that why I not straighten or color my hair... Because I like the way it is? Yeah, it's very very thick, but I don't mind it, but usually I wear it in a bun.
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True tho... Wearing jeans is actually fine as long as it is not tight or have any rips and tears in it.
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Well there are enough poeple who would disagree with you and me.
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Hahaha... yeah. Pitty the people. Allah said we have to cover up, not too tight, translucent or flashy.
He didn't really say what to cover up with.
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You don't listen to them; you listen to Allah.
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Sure, the problem is that everyone things he knows exactly what Allah wants (;
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Shouldn't matter as long as it's modest & you feel good wearing it, right?
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Hahaha cool
I remember I read somehwerew or heard someone say things prophet said
It goes something like this "Best of action or best of things or best of something is the middle"
Which means like don't grab too tight neither don't let loose easily. Hold it in the middle
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True! We are the people og the middle path
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Naja kommt drauf an in welchem Land man lebt.
Finde schon man sollte sich anpassen, sonst gibt es nur Ärger 
Aber ihr habt es eh falsch gemacht.. ihr hättet lieber mal die Männer dazu verdonnern sollen sich zu verschleiern xD
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Was bedeutet "Anpassung" für dich? (:
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Das bedeutet für mich,
die Vorschriften des Landes, den Lebensstil und die Erwartungen zu akzeptieren, einzuhalten oder mich zumindest darum zu bemühen.
Meine Mutter hat mir gesagt, wenn wir in ein anderes Land ziehen müssten würden wir uns auch umstellen. Den ich finde das ist selbstverständlich und ein Zeichen von Respekt und dankbarkeit in diesem Land leben zu dürfen. Und schließlich wollen wir ja auch kein Ärger.
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Die Vorschriften einhalten - ist gebongt. Das unterschreibe ich gern (:
Lebensstil - ja und nein. Nein deshalb, weil es nämlich schwer nis unmöglich ist, zu definieren, was nun der "einheimische Lebensstil" ist. Da würden sich die Deutschen vermutlich selbst nicht einigen können (; Bring einen Rocker, eine alte Dame und einen Hipster zusammen - die würden sich sowas von in die Haare kriegen
Dieses Bild hier geht ja klar um das Äußere. Und auch hier ist die Frage: Wann sehe ich "Deutsch" genug aus? Warum stört es Menschen, wenn ich ein Tuch statt einer Mütze auf dem Kopf habe? Wie ist es möglich, dass ich damit mangelnden Respekt zeige? Verstehst du, was ich meine?
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Warscheinlich liegt es daran, dass die Menschen viel schlechte oder negative Erfahrungen mit solchen Menschen und deren Familien gemacht haben.
Ein Kopftuch ist für viele Europär ein rotes Tuch .. oderso xD
Noch schlimmer sind ja diese Burkas. In Frankreich sind diese verboten und wer sich daran nicht hält wird sogar aus öffentlichen Gebäuden geworfen.
Andersrum denke ich mir immer, wie es denn die Menschen in einem Land finden würden, in dem sich alle Frauen verschleiern müssen, wenn da plözlich eine Frau in Hotpants und Top oderso rumläuft.
Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass die dort lebenden Menschen das gut heissen. Und wenn die Familie dieser leicht bekleideten Frau auch noch unhöflich und respetlos ist.. und sagen wir die nächsten 5 Familien die in das Land kommen sind ungefair genauso. Und irgendwann wird dann noch eine Kirche mitten in die fremde Kultur zu bauen nur dieser respektlosen Leute wegen. Und dann kommt eine Familie die zwar auch so aussieht aber sich freundlich und nett verhalten...
Die würden da genauso negativ empfangen werden und unbeliebt sein.
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"Warscheinlich liegt es daran, dass die Menschen viel schlechte oder negative Erfahrungen mit solchen Menschen und deren Familien gemacht haben"
Der Witz ist, dass die meisten Vorurteile da herrschen, wo die Leute noch nie Kontakt zu Muslimen hatten. Ich würde also "Erfahrungen machen" mit "Assoziationen haben" tauschen. Wenn ich irgendwo im tiefsten Bayern leben und täglich Zeitung lesen und TV gucken würde, dann würde ich diese Muslime auch absolut nicht leiden können
Umso wichtiger ist es, dass man miteinander sprechen und sich austauschen kann, so wie wir beide gerade
"Andersrum denke ich mir immer, wie es denn die Menschen in einem Land finden würden, in dem sich alle Frauen verschleiern müssen, wenn da plözlich eine Frau in Hotpants und Top oderso rumläuft."
.. hm.. also wenn ich an so typische Urlaubsorte wie Tunesien, Ägypten und andere mehrheitlich islamisch geprägte Ort denke, dann sehe ich da im Sommer nur genug westliche Frauen im Bikini und Hotpants rumlaufen 
Und dass die Urlauber sich nicht immer einwandfrei verhalten, kann ich auch beweisen
Aber wie gesagt: Ich bin nicht dafür, Vergleiche anzustellen. Nur weil es woanders schlecht läuft, sollte es uns nicht davon abhalten, Deutschland zu einem Vorzeigeland in Sachen Miteinander zu gestalten!
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Das stimmt, die meisten Voruteile entstehen so.
Nur was die Menschen wirklich dazu bewegt auf die Strasse zu gehen sind nicht irgendwelche Berichte aus den Medien.
Sondern die Erfahrungen die sie selber gemacht haben. Bei mir und meiner Familie ist es genauso. Bei uns haben mal Türken gewohnt gleich gegenüber.
Das war einfach schrecklich. Respektlos, Rücksichtslos und immer gab es Ärger. Die hatten 8 Kinder oderso. Alles Jungs.
Und die haben sich auch nicht geschämt immer eine Person fertig zu machen, zu beleidigen oder auch sachbeschädigung.
Ich hatte immer Angst vor denen oder das sie meine Eltern angreifen und verletzen. Wir sind ja nunmal deutsche.
Die haben mich als Nazi beschimpft, da wusste ich nichtmal was Nazis eigl. sind
Ich würde mir auch wünschen das mehr so anständig und sachlich sind so wie du
Typische Urlauber, ja da hab ich auch schon die wildesten Geschichten gehört. Aber als Urlauber okk, die gehen auch wieder, die müssen sich für die Zeit nicht unbedingt anpassen. Sieht aber anders aus wenn man dann in dem land leben will.
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My goodness, I just got reminded why I don't accociate with male atheists any-more looking at the comments -
The only reason you jerks are complaining about the hijjab is because you think you know better than women about what they want to dress like, you are no better than any misogynist religious extremest-
Sorry about that, I had to rant a little, you illustrate a good point here, many of my Muslim friends have a similar problem, I have been told-
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Thank you so much for your lovely and understanding comment
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Interesting.. I wanted to reply on fiskefyren, but deviantart tells me: "An error has occurred: Unable to post comment: Comment being replied to is locked or hidden or you have been blocked by the comment author." Is that possible??
My reply was a final one anyway:
"Ever heard of Socrates? He used to ask questions that made people reflect upon their own aasumptions. I surely know what "brainwash" is, I read George Orwell and I have a Master's degree in Psychology so don't tell me that I'm stupid or do not know how to discuss.
Too bad; I like discussions and I had a lot of inspiring ones here on dA, but you definetely crossed the line with your saracastic, hateful and aggressive tone. So bye! Have a nice day."
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Girl: *wearing what girl in comic is wearing*
Guy: I ... Can't really tell the shape of your body.
Girl: Good.
-The end-
Oh and, tuffix. Better not to reply to hate comments; you can't reason with them. If you can just block them from commenting and remove their comments.
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Being brainwashed into wanting to wear what others want/demand you to wear? What a sad world.
-with love from an Agnostic
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I'm not sure if I understand your comment correctly and if you did so with my picture.
Anyway: Just look to the fashion world and you'll know we're all brainwashed.. :-/
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I'm saying that you're a sad person for defending to wear or not wear something that you've been brainwashed into believing that you "need" or "want" to wear. This applies for everything. I'm glad that I can wear whatever I want to without being hit, beaten or stone because I didn't wear a Burka or something of the likes. And you defend this position is just sad, so very sad.
-with love from an Agnostic
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hm.. let me try to understand you...
1) "You've been brainwashed into believing that you "need" or "want" to wear. This applies for everything."
Do you mean I am brainwashed with everything or do you mean everyone is brainwashed whenever he/she wants/needs something? How do you determine whether someone is brainwashed?
2) "I'm glad that I can wear whatever I want to without being hit, beaten or stone because I didn't wear a Burka or something of the likes."
I'm glad, too and I am very sorry for anyone who was ever beaten for what he/she was wearing. That has nothing to do with the religion of Islam that I live and understand. It's sad that I can't transform the sentence and say: "I'm glad that I can wear whatever I want to without being discriminated against in my carreer, in my education and my every day life." Would you agree?
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1) Read 1984 by George Orwell, that might help you put things into perspective. Because I see that you know far to little on this subject for it to become a meaningful discussion.
2) Talking about missing the point with 100% wow... you get an F for effort... wait, no effort. So I'll try again, and I'll even use quotation marks: "Muslim women being beaten for NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT wearing whatever Muslim clothing that they demand you to wear." and then you call it being "discriminated" when I simply point out the major flaws in your way of thinking? *applause* but maybe I misunderstood and what you really mean is people treat you differently because you believe in a backwater religion? Sorry, that was uncalled for, all religions are backwater, not just Islam. My apologizes.
Oh, we are talking about religion now? Sure, I can play ball. But I'm lazy fuck and I've done this too many times, and honestly, it seems like religion has rotten your brain away already, but that's what religion do, teaching ignorance (there is a reason why religious people score a lower average IQ than that of Agnostics and Atheists). Anyway, I'll just quote a bunch of people and leave you be, I get easily bored with people who apparently can't understand English, or is a compete lie and try to change topic.
“It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.”-General George S. Patton
"The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years...we've leapt ahead in all material terms, but the Muslim world would say we have fallen down in all spiritual and moral terms. We have to accept our share of the blame and they have to accept theirs."-Norman Tebbit
"Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was-and it remains-incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society"-Andre Servier
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism”-Winston Churchill
Anyway, Allahu Akbar! *blows up yet another girls' school* Islam is the religion of peace! And if you say otherwise we'll violently murder you <3
-with love from an Agnostic
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Agnostic is someone not sure of their place in religion, you're clearly not a agnostic at all and proving it otherwise doesn't really seem possible.
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The problem of the headscarf, from my perspective, isn't fundamentalism at all- it's that it's a manifestation of a patriarchal tradition which exists solely to suppress women.
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Really? What if I claimed that women's over-sexualisation in the Western world "was a manifestation of a patriarchal tradition which exists solely to suppress women"?
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I haven't heard of any women in the Western world being beaten for not wearing a special kind of clothing, but I do hear about Muslim women being beaten for not wearing a Burka or similar. But I guess your brainwashing is so utterly complete that this doesn't even make any sense to you. How sad.
-with love from an Agnostic
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"I haven't heard of any women in the Western world being beaten for not wearing a special kind of clothing"
Here's one that way not only beaten but murdered for wearing a headscarf: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_o…
Too bad, I'm trying to have a serious conversation with someone telling me I'm brainwashed and close-minded all the time :-/
Anyway, have a nice day
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First off: "I haven't heard of any women in the Western world being beaten for NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT wearing a special kind of clothing"
And then you give me an example of a women getting beaten because she did wear a special kind of clothing... are you stupid? No, seriously, are you?
Second: I like how you find this extreme case, where what I pointed out is almost a day-to-day thing. What a dishonest Muslim you are, and if I recall, being a dishonest Muslim is not the way of Allah, being dishonest is ithm.
Sorry, I just state facts, and I can see that you're not a fan of those. Also, I'm an asshole that is sick of humanity and all of their shortcomings, especially that of religion. So pardon me for having a functional brain.
-with love from an Agnostic
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That is problematic, too, but I would consider it a case of false equivalence. Law and human rights grants women in the west freedoms that women under shariah most decidedly do not have. Literally speaking, is is a manifestation of patriarchy, the example you bring up, but it's not nearly as bad. It's bad, but one is worse than the other, by far.
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Dont you think you might have a quite eurocentristic view on this?
What makes you so sure that women dressing up modestly is more problematic than women wearing nearly nothing? And I am not talking about women's rights in Arab countries that claim to have sharia, whatever that is. There are indeed problems in those countries when it comes to women's rights, but we need to step aside, leave all these arab/middle-east associations behind and ask: If there are independent, educated, self-confident and successful women who decide to dress modestly so that they are not reduced to their sexuality - what is the problem?
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It would be strange if I wasn't eurocentric; I've been raised in Europe, lived there all my life, with Swedish values to guide me into adulthood. That leaves a strong mark, wouldn't you say?
It isn't women wearing nothing that's the point- it's that they have the freedom to wear what they like, what they're comfortable in. Some women wear very little, others don't, and regardless of how they dress I don't judge them- and that includes muslim women wearing their hijab. It's the instution itself I abhor, not the people wearing it.
As for "reduced to sexuality"- you are only "reduced" to anything by other people. A woman with cleavage, wearing such attire because it makes her feel good about herself, confident and comfortable, is excercising personal freedom and integrity. Any "reducing" is not done by her, but by lewd, single-minded men who would see her as a sex object. The problem in this case is solely the people who view her as a sex object- and that is not the only possible conclusion of wearing skimpy clothes. The problem, as I see it, with the hijab is that it's a manifestation of a cultural practice that represses women, represses female choice, individuality and liberty. Can a muslim girl, raised in a muslim community, easily choose to forego the hijab without fear of being ostracised, bullied or threatened? When did she, being raised to think girls must cover their hair but boys don't need to, choose this actively herself?
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But, if she is a woman and she wants to wear it, she should have that right.
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You do realise she is a fictional character, and whatever she wears is in accordance with what her creator wants her to wear, right?
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I was speaking of real life situations. I wanted you to keep in mind that women (flesh and blood women) have the right to wear whatever they want, without caring that you think it's a manifestation of a patriarchal tradition which exists solely to suppress women.
Or that you think they'd look better in pick.
Or with a shorter skirt.
Etc.
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Real life has nothind to do with this. Sod off.
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Actually, the 'toon is based on occurrences common in real life. I am surprised a great SJWB like yourself didn't realize that.
"Sod off?"
I prefer "blow me" - but not to you
Hey, did you hear that ISIS just issued a fatwah (no... you'd be a fathead, not a fatwah) for all females between the ages of 11 and 46 in and around Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation, according to the UN.
I wonder, will you support Women or Muslims... I am hoping your head doesn't blow up during the decision making process. Living at home as you do, it means your Mommy would have to clean it up.
You are such a burden.
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Don't mind him DLMC. He's just a sperg. Everything makes him angry.
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I've made the mistake of trying to engage you in serious discussion too many times now. You're a pompous, condescending, intellectually dishonest, hateful wanker, and I am done with you.
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I'm sorry you had to have this conversation on my profile. Some people are just not useful for serious discussions :-/
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