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Published: 2011-04-28 16:11:01 +0000 UTC; Views: 1840; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 7
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Stamp template that I probably use too much by ~AbfcSomewhat inspired by Tailsteak, who worded it much better than I ever could: [link]
Now, I realize that everybody hates people who think like this, but frankly I'm just sick and tired of everybody on both sides of the aisle whining about "legalizing gay marriage."
Here's a big ol' fact that people just don't seem to get: marriage is a religious act. If we try to get the Feds to enforce its legalization, isn't that essentially controlling the church through the state?
Sure, the government can legalize a civil union, but nobody seems to care when they can yell about their pastor at church not wanting to hook up to guys or two girls.
Well, you guys need to suck it up. It's not a governmental decision. Stop being babies and take it up with the guys who actually decide this stuff, whether that be the guy who owns your small community-run mosque or the freaking Pope.
The government is legally unable to do anything. It's something called "Separation of church and state," and it was designed not to protect the government from religious interference but to protect the churches (of all faiths) from the government deciding what's holy, what God wants, and what priests should have to do. That means if you call your local representative because your pastor refuses to marry you for a religious reason, you're going to do nothing but stir up a whole heap of trouble that won't solve anything.
In essence, YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE POLITICS BEHIND A LEGALLY NON-POLITICAL DEBATE
And for those of you who think that the government should enforce acceptance of this kind of thing, I want you to really look at your definition of bigotry and religious oppression, because no matter who you're asking it's totally backwards. NEWSFLASH: this country was founded specifically BECAUSE the government of the motherland was oppression their religious beliefs, and the laws were written specifically so nobody would have to suffer from that oppression. Congratulations, crybabies, you have killed America!
Now let's see how many people accuse me of being homophobic and oppressive.
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But you know what? If they decided that gay marriage is illegal based on religious grounds, that's against the separation of church and state.
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Marriage has existed long before Christianity was even a thing. And your extremely edgy and passive-aggressive attitude ("Now let's see how many people accuse me of being homophobic and oppressive.") really makes it hard for me to take you seriously.
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Religion can't decide anything. Marriage is a political institution. Do some research before you make an ass of yourself.
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Marriage existed long before Christianity was even on this dirt ball. But let's just think for a moment. Let us take a country that is not that religious as America. Say China or Japan which are mostly atheist. By your own fucked up logic does this mean that any one married in China or Japan are not really married? Since its a religious institution after all all these pagans and heathens such as the Japanese, Chinese, Hindus, and atheists. Β The size of the hole in your argument .
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Correction: marriage is a legal contract. Weddings are the religious aspect.
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Boo hoo, the world is waking up to how fucking foolish your book is. Give me a fucking break.
Marriage was created far, far before the Bible. Take a look at this article here:Β bigthink.com/dollars-and-sex/tβ¦
Go cry about it some more, will ya? Boo fucking hoo, homos can get married and rub their genitals together. This really, really shouldn't concern you.
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But then atheists also shouldn't be allowed to get married. If they can get married, so can gay people. Sure religious people should be allowed to turn down doing religious ceremonies for gay couples, but they don't have to. If they're not being married under a religion or going through the ceremony, then its got nothing to do with religion.Β
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Christianity supports gay relationships so not sure what your argument is about here
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You know the world is full of hypocrisy. And by the way, I do believe that marriage is created by God (and it is), and yes, the bleeping politicians do not define this union, only God does.
Don't mind some of the deviants below me, they have nothing better to do than run their mouths.
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I see a person who doesn't know what words mean!
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I like Star Wars too.Β
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This is WHY Gay Marriage should be legal. Β I believe that people should face consequences for their sins instead of police-states and tax-collectors preventing them from facing them.
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Wait, so basically religion controls marriage?
I thought that the Government controls it?
So you must be Christen and have your marriage in a Church and be blessed by God even though you are marriying because you love the person, and not the religion?
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Marriage is actually a form of property exchange.
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I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree. Marriage is not religious institution.
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Not all marriages are chirstianΒ
What about neo-pagan religions?Β
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So true. We should also tell people who complain about there periods that it's a religious thing. Same goes for people who complain about shellfish, clothing, sex.
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religion only defines "holy matrimony" Β
marriage, because it involved legal documents, is defined by the government
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But certain religions lobby their interests which get enforced by politicians
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LIKE TEH 3EDGY5ME will listen!
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I know this is an old comment, but this is the most ridiculous statement here. The other comments are silly being all pro-gay, but being Native American myself, I find your generalization of Natives very misleading and quite frankly, offensive, that you will bunch us all together as if we all supported these nonsense.
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I'm not sorry that you don't understand the word "some".
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Your forgetting all the rights you get when your married. If it were truly a religious institution no one would really care. But since it does involve the government it does need to be for everyone.
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Marriage is both a religious and legal institution.
I'd have no problem if I could a judge could wed my wife and I because I hate Christianity.
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Uhh, you-......You're eyes are bleeding.
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This is why religion should be illegal, all of the Christ-cunts think the whole fucking world belongs to them.
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Wow dude, that's uncalled for.
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Marriage is about kids, do you really think the government gives a shit about love?
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Uhh, no. Marriage is not about having children.
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Here in Canada, gay marriage is legal all throughout the country, I haven't seen any church that has objected to marrying gay people, and basically no one has a problem with the whole gay marriage thing.
Why can't it be that simple in the States?
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Because there are too many idiots here for that to happen.
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oh, and desperate attempt to inject religious control into the government as well as corporate greed is what's killing America, not people who think you should shut up already about how mighty your ego- I mean, religion is and how it supposedly should be the ruler of all because your ego- I mean, god supposedly says so.
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Oh, also, congratulations for assuming that I kiss the Pope's ass, i.e. the ass of the man who I laugh off the stage every time his name is spoken.
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Then you should understand how embarrassing you make yourself look in the eyes of others. Nice going.
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marriage was invented by pagans, not christians, morons. stop crying that christians should decide what happens to it because you "own" it... because you don't. and before you try the asspull defense that you mean general religions, keep in mind that only christians and your abrahamic buddies are butthurt over homosexuality- other religions don't cry as much about gay people, if at all.
So stop trying to give all the power over marriage to christians under the guise of "religion owns it!" because- news flash!- christians aren't the only religion, and other religions will disagree with you. And why yes, you sound homophobic, and no, i'm not a crybaby for seeing how desperate you are to french kiss your pope's ass.
tl;dr christians don't own marriage either, and most religions aren't as homophobic as you abrahamic fucks, so shut up about having the power to kick gays out of marriage.
Oh, and I'm agnostic. That is, I believe that there is a god, but I also believe that you're shitting all over his image for the sake of your personal opinions and butthurt.
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First of all, congratulations on picking up my subtle series of clues that implied that I am, in fact, a Christian as opposed to anybody else! I'm sure that absolutely nobody would have guessed from only my extremely long description which used phrases like "church," "pastor," and "priest!"
Secondly, congratulations for demonstrating your open-mindedness and your ability to see through BS by reading said description and gleaning from it that I am anti-gay marriage and that THAT is the reason I made this stamp! The fact that you are totally wrong only urges forward that you are extremely good at telling me something about myself which I in my 20 years of living with myself have never noticed!
And thirdly, non-sarcastically, congratulations on getting from my distinction between "civil union" and "religious union" that I believe only religious unions should be legal, because in doing so you have demonstrated a complete inability to do anything but bitch about imaginary problems to people you don't know and have never met before. Congratulations for thinking that my pulling the "separation of church and state" card was entirely geared toward destroying government control in favor of religious control. Congratulations for demonstrating your ignorance, insecurity, and closed-mindedness.
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Congratulations on getting massively butthurt.
After reading several of your defensive posts, I realized what point you were actually trying to get across. But man, you are horribly bad at delivering your points.
I've read the entire paragraph, and honestly, you need to take some extra classes for reading/writing comprehension, because all your essay gets across is that you are butthurt about law telling your biased religion to bugger off when it comes to human rights, but you are trying to generalize religion and claim you're totally not homophobe as shields, but it just looks all too desperate to make it look like you're totally not butthurt. What little actual points there were were drowned in butthurt and whining, and it became hard to tell what the hell you were talking about at points due to said whining. Seriously, look at your own rant, you look like the "goddamn crybabies" you claim people questioning your intentions are.
And you only got even more butthurt, raving in a paragraph containing no actual points other than insulting and over-emphasized sarcasm. Congratulations on making yourself look like a sensitive moron. No, really, it's such an achievement.
"you have demonstrated a complete inability to do anything but bitch about imaginary problems to people you don't know and have never met before"
I smell hypocrite.
"Congratulations for demonstrating your ignorance, insecurity, and closed-mindedness."
Even more hypocrisy. Of course, that's the trademark of easily-offended christians, so that goes without saying.
As it is quite the feat, congratulations yet again on making yourself look like a stereotypical raving bibliophile idiot. Seriously, learn how to write without getting massively butthurt.
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98% agree with you.
I 100% agree with you on the politicians part.
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Oooooh, you're going to get a lot of "It's a FACT that YOUAR WRAWNG!"'s for sharing your opinion. 
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The fact is though, you're wrong.
Marriage was never a religious act, it was an act of property, men bought and sold women for a price--today the ring your future-husband proposes with is considered to be the same as a dowry would have been to our ancestors. Marriage isn't even about love in some places today, there are still arranged marriages and there are still opium brides (often children sold to pay a debt to a drug lord and then used as sex slaves, and still they are brides because of their monetary value)!
The fact is, you can go have a marriage in a church, but it means nothing to the government (or for the benefits you would gain from a marriage) unless you get a marriage license first from the government. It's really that simple. You don't get marriage licenses from your priest/rabbi/pastor/minister--you have to go to a court house, fill out some paper work, and pay roughly $40 for a piece of paper that tells everyone you're married and can receive marital privileges via the state. Yes, religious ceremonies have nothing to do with the government, but that's because (at least in America) state is separate from religion. Every religious place of worship has the right to deny their sanctuary to be the place of someone's marriage--some Catholic churches won't allow a Catholic wedding to someone in their church that isn't part of their congregation (even if they are themselves Catholic). Religious places are private institutions though, so by law, they have the right to do that. The government as a body that is meant to protect all of its citizens, however, should not be held to the ideology of the many different religions in America.
Government marriage =/= religious ceremony.
Marriage =/= love (all the time) & started as a business (historically speaking).
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