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Of course I don't know what God want or not, nor I know his intentions or if he really exist. But in my opinion it's just wrong to discriminate people for their sexuality and it's worse to use religion as an excuse for that!If you don't like homosexuality it's ok. You don't need to be gay nor to have gay friends, but please don't treat homosexual people with less respect than heteros. They are equal human beings like you and me and if you don't understand that, than I'm really sorry for you.
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PFFTT hheehehehee
Regardless of any belief. I love this. I love it.
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Basically why Christians view Homosexuality as a sin is because Homosexuals are listening to the wants of their sex than what actually matters...
I.E. homosexuals are putting the want to be with the same gender before what really matters...
Yes... The Church IS making an effort to recognize as people... However they WILL NOT accept a sin that is a sin... And if people continue to do a sin so unrepentantly they WILL NOT glorify what is STILL a SIN...
Now I know what You might be thinking: "But people are BORN GAY... And Christians say god specifically creates everyone how he wants them... If God created someone to be gay why doesn't he want them to BE gay?"
To which I say...
"If God made someone with a love of money... You wouldn't condone them for robbing a bank now would you?"
"Oh but that's not even the same thing!"
"Sin is sin... And a Sin is putting the wants of the flesh or material world before the wants of the spiritual life..." Or that's how Christians see it anyway...
You see there is a VERY specific belief Christians hold... The bigger the hardships you go through and overcome in your life... The better the person you will be... Everyone is born with a list of personal sins that are built into their coding... If a person overcomes that sin... They will be better for it... However if they choose to follow that sin and let it run their life... They won't be better, obviously...
You know I actually find it strange... People will let Tibetan Monks throw away all their worldly connections... And will actually be inspired to follow after them... However when they see a Christian do the same thing... They mock them... and Criticize them...
You will let a Tibetan monk tell you to drop the chains and weights of the physical world's desires... But you won't let a Christian tell you too... When you realize fully that Sex is one of the things a Tibetan Monk would tell you to drop... Which naturally includes the desire of homosexuality...
Really how is that fair?
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Okay but why compare robbing a bank to being gay?
you could just as easily say " God created someone with a love for animals, and nobody hates them for becoming a vet!"
God created someone gay? Why would he be against love?
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Basically it's like this...
If you need literally ANYTHING other than A Penis Inserted into a Vagina, or your hand, to orgasm... It's not love... It's perversion...
As far as Christians are concerned "Love Lost" last June...
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Disregard sex for half a damn second and regard LOVE. What about a heterosexual woman who can't have a baby? Is it perversion to have sex then?
what about two heteros who love each other but the guy uses his tongue so he can satisfy his lover and not get her pregnant?
Also, lust, no matter what form, (homosexuality, heterosexuality, anything else) is perversion.
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Yeah... You can be as dirty as you want... With your spouse...
As long as you're married you can be as nasty as you want... Why you would want to I don't know... But you can...
The key word is marriage... And now you're getting into entirely different subject matters that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about... Because everyone knows that Christians are sticklers for marital sex...
And I know I said that Christians don't believe Gays can actually be in love... Only Perversion...
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What about a gay couple that don't really have sexual desires? Now I know it sounds IMPOSSIBLLLLLLLE for someone not to wanna have sex with their spouse 24/7, but please hear me out.
Is it a sin for a hetero married couple not to have sex? My parents (step mom, not real mom) don't, and they're perfectly able. My dads even a bit of a pervert (but he mostly jokes around)
Is it sin for a gay or hetero couple to, I dunno, be married and just want to be with each other without having sex?
which one of these is a sin, if any, and why?
A hetero married couple not wanting or having sex
A gay married couple not wanting or having sex
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I don't really get what your thinking...
Yeah a Married Couple can not have sex if they don't want to... There's not any obligation for a married couple to do anything...
No... Gay couple period... is a no... In anything... Just no...
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But why is a gay couple a no, no matter what? How is it a sin? Jesus never spoke a word of homosexuals, or intolerance.
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I understand what you're saying, but why is homosexuality considered a sin? There are plenty of homosexual people who would wait until marriage or do, depending on their country of origin. That's the only sinful part I could see arising. Then again, there are plenty of heterosexuals who don't wait until marriage and they aren't discriminated against to the same degree. Is it because they are unable to produce children?
I also have a homosexual friend who is a devout Christian in every aspect but that. She doesn't put the wants of flesh as a priority, and yet she is still discriminated against.
I agree with your little quote part and you make a fair point, I'm just inquiring for knowledge/experience's sake.
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Let me put it this way... Christians don't believe Sexual Preference to be a thing...
Sexual Preference implies just that... What you PREFER sex to be a certain way... Yes sex feels good... But basically, I personally think anyway, the only reason sex feels good is so we would WANT to reproduce... Otherwise... Why bother trying to reproduce if it's so painful?
However... Being so enthralled by the feeling from sex that you want it a specific way other than Man + Woman?... That's Lust... A Sin... A want of the flesh... Specifically the want of your Vagina...
Sex is just that... The Sexual interaction between two Private Parts... And if you claim "Homosexuality"... You are following the wants of your Vagina to be with ANOTHER Vagina... (Which is physically impossible... Seeing as how Sexual Intercourse implies the possibility of both parties having an orgasm at the same time... And as we both know... That's not how "Homosexual Sex" works... Basically if you have to take turns with the orgasm to have sex... You're not having sex... Your just fondling each other...) AND if you embrace the title of Homosexual... You are letting the Wants of your Vagina define who you are...
You are letting a SIN (Lust) define who you are... And that is bad...
So yes... Homosexuality IS a sin... Because Christians believe sex should ONLY be used to reproduce... And seeing as how Homosexuals CAN'T reproduce they are instead following the desires of their Privates... And therefore following the sin of Lust... Which is the only reason they are having sex...
So the reason your friend is still being discriminated against is... Even though she claims to be a devout Christian... As far as I'm aware from what you tell me... She still intends to follow the desires of her Vagina instead of her spirit... And that is bad...
Are you getting it now?
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Let me argue with you a bit about sexual preference. Everyone has sexual preferences. Even straight people. Hear me out. Some people like it gentle and slow. Some people like it hard in fast. Some people have strange fetishes. Sexual orientation is not the same as sexual preference. As for me, I'm a homosexual female. The thought of having sex with a male makes me physically ill. Heck, even the handful of times in my life I've seen male genitalia, it's turned my stomach (let's not go into why I was exposed to them; the reasons vary). So am I merely satisfying a want of the flesh by avoiding putting myself in a situation that would make me very uncomfortable? Am I wrong for doing this? And on the other side of it, I've met a wonderful woman who wants to spend her life with me. She wants to raise children with me and grow old together. I know it's rather easy to dismiss me because I'm on the other side of the computer screen, but if I were face to face with you, telling you this, could you tell me that what I have with my girlfriend is just lust?
I do hope I haven't offended you too much, but don't disregard me. Give my words some thought.
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Could you explain to me how it's just lust?
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I actually find it cute how you honestly believe "Sexual" Preference is anything more than wanting whatever Peg A you desire in Your Slot B...
Look I respect whatever you want to have in your body... Don't get me wrong... There is literally nothing I can do to stop you... However you're not asking for Respect... What you want is for me to support you... And sorry sweetie... I just can't do that...
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A sexual orientation is so much more than that. Case and point, 1% of the population are asexual. They don't desire sex. No traumatic event happened to make them that way, they were born that way. Some asexuals are aromantic, but some want a relationship with someone. The only difference between a heteroromantic asexual and a heterosexual is what happens between the sheets.
And the thing is, I don't want your support. I want you to understand. There are too many people like you who misunderstand what it means to be non-heterosexual. I'm just trying to spread a little knowledge.
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There is nothing to "Understand" some men want penises shoved up their butts... There is no underlying message or anything...
You people are LITERALLY doing all this pain and hardship to yourselves by insisting there is something behind nothing... And forcing people to believe you or else calling them bigots or homophobes...
I am actually happy that Trump won... Maybe now you people will finally understand that you can't always scream and yell and belittle your way into getting what you want...
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Okay, I'm going to wade into this one... it's annoying me enough.
Being a homosexual man is nothing to do with wanting a penis up your butt. It's about who you love. Sex is an expression of love, not a definition. You've got that badly wrong.
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Some men fall in love with men. Some men fall in love with both men and women. Some men are completely gender blind and fall in love with a person. It's not about the best sex on earth. It's about who you fall in love with. No one gets to choose.
"You people" . . . No, we aren't doing this to ourselves. We are merely loving who we love. It's those who don't understand, those who are afraid of us, who are causing us pain.
I have no intention of yelling to get my way. That has never been my way. I have every intention of handling whatever our new president brings us calmly. I don't much like him, but I like him better than Hilary, so I won't complain.
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Me being genuinely disgusted by the image of two men kissing "Romantically" does not make me a Bigot... NOR does it mean I'm afraid of the concept...
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There's nothing wrong with disliking public displays of affection. I personally hate seeing any couple kiss out on the streets. I'm barely even comfortable holding hands with my girlfriend when we're out together because I don't feel like the whole world needs to see our affection for one another. But when you go so far as to say that they can't do it behind closed doors, in the privacy of their own home, that's when you cross the line between disliking something and trying to control someone else's life. You keep saying it's a sin and telling people that what they feel is only lust, but I never hear Christians pick on sins not related to sex. "How dare you have sex before marriage," or "How dare you be in a relationship with someone of the same sex," or "How dare you cheat on your husband/wife." I don't hear all that often a Christian encouraging someone to have more patience with their brothers and sisters, or to honor their parents even if their parents are scum, or, heck, not to hate someone because that's the same as killing them. Are these non-sexual things not as important to Christians as a whole? Is our whole religion centered around perfecting "holy sex"? Because that's not what I thought I was signing up for when I got baptized. I thought I was officially becoming a member of a family in Christ who would share Christ's love with the world. And that is exactly why when people ask me if I'm religious, every time I answer, "No. I believe in God and have a personal relationship with Christ." Because listening to other Christians has taught me that there is a real difference between the two.
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But that's just it... I'm NOT saying you can't do it behind closed doors... I've NEVER said that... If I know ANYTHING it's that we don't truly know what we are doing with God and Christ... You don't and I SURE AS HELL don't...
I've said it before... Do whatever you want... Only God himself has the power to judge you and where to send you when you die... There is LITERALLY nothing I can do to stop you and I HONESTLY feel it a waste of time to even try...
I JUST DO NOT WANT TO BE INVITED TO A GAY WEDDING OR HAVE GAYS THINK I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR LOVE LIFE... BECAUSE I DON'T...
All I know is that the New Testament of the Bible is basically Jesus Changing or Clarifying things from the Old Testament... Jesus never said ANYTHING about homosexuality... Which means to me that whatever has EVER been said about Homosexuality in the Bible HAS to be true and has NEVER changed...
And don't try to give me any kind of Run around... You want a relationship with Christ... You HAVE to follow the Bible... It's his word... BOTH TESTAMENTS... PERIOD...
All I personally know is... Man + Woman = A New Life... Man + Man or Woman + Woman both = Nothing... And that honestly CARING enough to WANT anything other than Man + Woman HAS to be some form of Lust...
The way I see it is that the 7 Sins are basically Categories for the types of sin... And that sin is wanting more or different than what's natural... God is Natural... Human wants are Unnatural...
To me Natural means Making and Nurturing Life... Homosexuality doesn't make anything except sexual desires... It just does nothing... Except in the worst cases makes an incurable life threatening disease...
But anyway that's just how I see it...
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"But that's just it... I'm NOT saying you can't do it behind closed doors... I've NEVER said that..."
No, but you did earlier say:
"You are letting a SIN (Lust) define who you are... And that is bad..."
So you were trying to dictate a persons sexual actions.
Further, you seem to be implying that there's never any lust between a man and woman... which is pretty laughable considering the way I see many men behaving towards women. I think all sexual attraction between any two people stems, to some degree, from a lust, otherwise we simply wouldn't do it.
Homosexuality doesn't "make sexual desires" as you put it. Homosexuality is simply a description of who you are sexually attracted to. You can be homosexual and celibate (as can hetrosexuals).
You clearly have no understanding about sexually transmitted diseases and HIV. Homosexuality didn't "make" HIV. HIV is a human form of a disease that was first found in animals, and is a blood borne disease, so there are many routes from which it could have entered the human population (not just sex). In fact, it's not uncommon to contract HIV from being scratched by a needle used by an infected person. And HIV doesn't favour any particular group of people - anyone have sex with anyone who is infected (regardless of gender) can catch HIV.
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I also made clear I was only speaking as what Christians view it as... I never specifically said it specifically myself...
What I said about gays wanting attention is true... Case in point you are just begging for me to screw up so you can make me look like the bad guy... Look pal... I'll never believe that you want anything more than another penis to arouse you and you for damn sure won't believe anything I say...
I'm done... Have a nice life... goodbye...
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Umm... where did I ever suggest I wanted a penis to arouse me? I didn't! Just because I've waded into this argument doesn't mean that I'm gay. Actually, I'm straight (and married).
I'm not trying to make you look like a bad guy - I'm trying to point out that what you are saying just isn't true. I'm trying to help you be less ignorant and intolerant.
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If you really want nothing to do with gays, then just don't make gay friends. And anytime one of your "straight" friends turns out to be gay, cut them off. That way you can maintain your bubble of purity.
Fun fact, there was no word for homosexual or homosexuality when the bible was being written. Those words were invented at the end of the 19th century. So that does make me rather skeptical when I see the word homosexual in certain key verses often used to shame gays into pretending to be straight. Add to that that Christians didn't start shunning gays until around the turn of the first millenia, and you begin to wonder why they changed their stance. And it changed drastically. Instead of simply telling gays to change, they threw them on the fire to burn with witches (and I will add that many non-gays were likely caught up in this purge because they were merely suspected of being gay). Add to that that Leviticus 18:22 directly translates to something like, "And with a male, thou shalt not lie down in a woman's bed; it is an abomination," you begin to wonder if there really is some kind of conspiracy here and why it began. And you can check all my facts if you want. They're all from memory, so I don't remember where each one came from, but I'm sure you can find them. I believe most of them I gleaned from research papers, so that would be a good place to start your search.
And quite frankly, I am possibly the least lustful person you will ever meet, unless you spend some time around asexuals. I do not have any sexual attraction at all to a person until I've gotten to know their personality very well. I'm demisexual, which is a step up from asexual (no sexual desire). I cannot just go out, grab a woman and sleep with her. I have to know the person very well before I ever begin to have those kinds of wants. Which for me meant that for about three years I had zero sex drive. And you want to tell me all I feel for my girlfriend is lust. We have a relationship built on trust and love. Sex isn't even a factor. Yes, sex feels good, and we'll probably want it eventually, but I am perfectly content to wait until we're married before we do anything remotely sexual. And even though I know this girl is the right one for me, we are waiting until she finishes college before we have our wedding, and that's at least two or three years away. How many straight couples have that same level of control? I guarantee you the ones that do and aren't just disinterested in each other are all in love, not lust.
For the sake of the record, HIV began in monkeys. I'm not sure how or why it spread over to humans, but it certainly does not only prey on homosexual men (and I guess you could include in that statement homosexual women even though they have the lowest rate of HIV infection). Straight couples can give it to each other too. The problem is not homosexuality, but promiscuity. The more people you sleep with, the higher your chance of getting an STD. Again, I encourage you to look up the numbers and try to prove me wrong with solid statistics from a credible source.
But anyway, those are just random facts I happen to know. It's not like it's important or anything.
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I'll add a bit more from what I know about Leviticus. At the time, it was the practise that women would sleep in their own beds, and that only a man married to that woman could sleep in her bed, but only for the purpose of having sex, otherwise, he should not sleep in her bed.
Looking at the NT, Jesus didn't actually say anything on this subject, but Paul did. You have to look at the context and culture of the time to understand his writings though. At that time, in Greek culture, it was common for men to "take" boys - effectively paedophilia. Since children cannot legally consent to sex, having sex with a child is a form of rape, which is clearly an abomination. So, Paul when writes about "immoral homosexual acts", this is what he's talking about. It's fair to assume that there are such things as "moral homosexual acts" that are distinct from the immoral acts, and would include not being promiscuous, and not include rape (since adults of the same sex can both consent to sex, so it's not rape in that case).
I'm afraid that the entire anti-homosexual "Christian" stance seems to be quite a recent idea based on poor reading of the scripture, lacking the understanding of the context and culture that is essential to understanding what the writers of the time were trying to say. That's not to say you are welcome to find it distasteful - you're welcome to that opinion - but you're mistaken to attribute it to Christian beliefs.
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Thanks for that. I replied while I was drinking my first cup of coffee, so I wasn't 100% awake yet. A few things fell out of my brain, but at least I was able to remember some of the things I've learned.
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Your... sentence... structure... is terrible.
Git gud at writin' and we'll talk.
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I see where you're coming from, and can understand your point here. And even though I don't agree with some of what you've said, I still respect you as a sentient human being. Everyone has their beliefs/opinions and just as we are all unique, our opinions/beliefs are all unique.
Also as a parting thing, I saw some of your other comments on this deviation, and just wanted to say that this is a deviation, namely, something that deviates from society's norms. DeviantART is about expressing what maybe wouldn't be acceptable in normal society in a healthy way. This deviates from society, and there are plenty of people who see it, have a good laugh, and continue on with their day. I have no qualms with beliefs/opinions, nor with anyone who deems to share them with others. Just remember that not everyone will listen,no matter how passionately you believe in something.
Again, thank you for enlightening me, that makes a lot more sense than what I originally thought.
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Interesting idea. But while I respect that it is your opinion, I do see that infertility and sterilization may be a possible solution.
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Basically why Christians view Homosexuality as a sin is because Homosexuals are listening to the wants of their sex than what actually matters...
I.E. homosexuals are putting the want to be with the same gender before what really matters...
Yes... The Church IS making an effort to recognize as people... However they WILL NOT accept a sin that is a sin... And if people continue to do a sin so unrepentantly they WILL NOT glorify what is STILL a SIN...
Now I know what You might be thinking: "But people are BORN GAY... And Christians say god specifically creates everyone how he wants them... If God created someone to be gay why doesn't he want them to BE gay?"
To which I say...
"If God made someone with a love of money... You wouldn't condone them for robbing a bank now would you?"
"Oh but that's not even the same thing!"
"Sin is sin... And a Sin is putting the wants of the flesh or material world before the wants of the spiritual life..." Or that's how Christians see it anyway...
You see there is a VERY specific belief Christians hold... The bigger the hardships you go through and overcome in your life... The better the person you will be... Everyone is born with a list of personal sins that are built into their coding... If a person overcomes that sin... They will be better for it... However if they choose to follow that sin and let it run their life... They won't be better, obviously...
You know I actually find it strange... People will let Tibetan Monks throw away all their worldly connections... And will actually be inspired to follow after them... However when they see a Christian do the same thing... They mock them... and Criticize them...
You will let a Tibetan monk tell you to drop the chains and weights of the physical world's desires... But you won't let a Christian tell you too... When you realize fully that Sex is one of the things a Tibetan Monk would tell you to drop... Which naturally includes the desire of homosexuality...
Really how is that fair?
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"But people are BORN GAY... And Christians say god specifically creates everyone how he wants them... If God created someone to be gay why doesn't he want them to BE gay?"
To which I say...
"If God made someone with a love of money... You wouldn't condone them for robbing a bank now would you?"
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Stop using bad arguments to justify homophobia.
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Stop being so stupid as to think it will only take a decade for us to be "OKAY" with Homosexuality...
The bible is at LEAST 2000 years old... The parts mentioning Homosexuality even older...
Not. Going. To. Fucking. Happen. PRINCESS.
"In only Ten Years... My beliefs will change"
Christians are taught NOT to let the beliefs of the POPULATION influence their beliefs... And we've been taught this longer than before Europe was even EUROPE!!!
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Sorry, but you're using god's phrases agaisn't her.
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Um... That's what I'm trying to do?... Genius?
Christians are taught to speak the truth... Regardless of how unaccepted it might be...
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Don't use ''Bible'' as a weapon, and please...even if you're agaisn't this type of life, you don't need to be so rude:
''Stop being so stupid as to think it will only take a decade for us to be "OKAY" with Homosexuality''
''Not. Going. To. Fucking. Happen. PRINCESS''
Oh really?
Didn´t god tell you that you need to respect everyone?
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Respect yes...
Nothing about allow...
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