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UPDATE
Please read before commenting.
Going here, here, and here is a big suggestion from me.
I also know the two characters on the left now. You don't have to tell me anymore.
And at 12/5/2014, I just updated the file to have there names now.
UPDATE DONE
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I believe (Not too sure) that this is not intended to infringe copyright!
The purposes of this upload is for Criticism or Commentary, and Education. Might have other purposes.
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Based off a similar respectful thing .
For educational purposes I think.
Another reason this time is similar. However, here is something I am not sure about: A person claimed that the movie Alpha and Omega was received badly was because of the animation style. The anthropomorphism/personification (Which is also who they are - the wolves from the movie).
It's claim based off no proof attached, and this is what I'm very worried about with wondering if the company and it's sequels are actually avoiding the personification styles. It would NOT be a good sign for that to happen as doing that takes away many personality and the worse part is that it changes WHO THEY ARE to something there NOT. So for anyone who knows well about the negativity, I want to know if this is true. - I believe it's bias either way, but I really want to know this anyway for my own reasons. EDIT: Actually PLEASE PM ME or COMMENT somewhere else if you want to send me a notice. Sadly I disabled the comments on here for now.
EDIT DONE.
I've also asked on a really bad forum and didn't recieve any evidence to that claim.
I also believe that person who claimed that is (or was, not sure now) bias.. Person defends other styles but selfishly attacks another.
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Now, like before, I like to teach that anthropomorphism is something that's been used before many times. The reason why it's used a lot is because it adds personality to each character. The major problem with the idea of forcing them to act "real" would mean that they would have less personality.
Look at this.
This is a study based off experience and theory. I can honestly and safety say that if we take fantasy out, it would ruin the identity of many things.
What is anthropomorphism?
"the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropo…
Take a look at the Modern Literature section.
Style
The movie Alpha and Omega has what many other movies has.
It's NOT A FLAW, it's a style of the animation and it's not even anything new.
Even if it was new, that doesn't make it bad.
Why do I Keep Talking About This Part?
I honestly hope certain people read this, but the reason why I care so much about this is because it was there identity. They are anthropomorphic wolves, not wolves.
In other words: When they do stuff like: Stand and dance, point like human fingers, and many other human expressions, etc, it's a reflection of who they are.
Whenever I say 'anthropomorphic wolves' (like the earlier one where I defend the art style), I usually meant what they do. Whenever they do personification things, it shows who they are more. I wasn't simply talking about the art style only (Like there faces), I was mainly talking about there souls of what causes them to do things like human characteristics. In fact, I'm not even sure if there human-like faces expressions is 'human characteristic' too, but either way. I am mainly talking about both, especially the expressions of them.
Another reason might be what I said before: Fear and worry about if that criticism really existed and fear involving the company.
Let's hope to God that the company isn't actually avoiding the fantasy spirit of the movie because honestly, the fantasy/anthro/whatever is something very enjoyable by many and it's a style, not a flaw.
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*Unknown: I sadly never grew up with the movie (All Dogs Go to Heaven ) for what I remember.
Anyway, some credits:
Top left picture: All Dogs Go to Heaven
Top middle picture: Alpha and Omega
Top Right picture: The Lion King
I do not claim copyright on the copyrighted pictures themselves.
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Comments: 66
Romethehybrid [2017-12-15 06:10:08 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry ,but I disagree with this. To me Simba, Charlie, Itchy and Humphrey are not anthropomorphic.
Characters like Pogo Possun,Fritz the cat, Blacksad, Nick Wilde, and Arthur Read are anthropomorphic. Not only do they act like humans, but they constantly walk on two legs and wear clothes .
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Another-Realm In reply to Romethehybrid [2018-01-15 03:28:09 +0000 UTC]
They don't need to "look" like humans.
Example:
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animespacecowboy [2017-11-19 15:09:11 +0000 UTC]
I grew up with all dogs go to heaven and lion king just cause a character does it only ones don't make it so the rest of the film Simba was walking like a normal lion yes I admit charlie only acted like a dog for only parts of the film but... saying there anthropomorphic means all the time there standing on there hind legs still the time there not Charlies walking on all fours through most of it and so is Simba
yes Charlie picks up a flea and puts it on itchy he rolls dice,drinks beer and pull levers but I digress my German Sheperd can open lever doors and likes beer too yes it bothers me that a dog can roll dice and stand on two legs byt my shepard stand on two legs to give me kisses so yes to a point it can be called anthropomorphic but its a liberty to say they act like it all the time when clearly you watch the shows and youll see some human tendancies are there but for the rest of the movie there not.
As I said I have a German Shepherd and a Tibetan terrier and my dog is just like Charlie in every way I'm pretty sure if he could do what Charlie can hed be a happy dog i digress he can turn on the computer light switches open the fridge and open doors unlock the car and roll down the car windows and push in VHS tapes and he does watch tv and eat popcorn with us sp again its a liberty
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JohnSpartan1982 [2017-03-22 00:42:52 +0000 UTC]
What about Minerva Mink? or is she a humanoid anthro mink person? same for Bojack's animal-like humanoid races on the show right?
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TalesofOlde [2016-12-06 01:35:32 +0000 UTC]
Interesting, would you consider the cats in the book series WARRIORS to be anthropormorphic as well?
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Vaya-Dragon [2016-03-01 12:41:18 +0000 UTC]
Many people seem to complain about Alpha and Omega's animation, but it's not that bad.
I've seen much uglier art styles, like the one that the Good Dinosaur has. That movie is much uglier than Alpha and Omega.
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wwwarea In reply to Vaya-Dragon [2016-03-10 00:20:04 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I don't get it. It makes me think that they are just saying it's "bad" because it's a cartoon style rather than finding legit ways to attempt to call it "bad".
I honestly think the art style in A&O is really awesome. In the end though, it's all subjective to someone maybe and critique wise, I don't think an art style can be legitimately better. xD
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Vaya-Dragon In reply to wwwarea [2016-03-10 00:26:34 +0000 UTC]
I love the Alpha and Omega series, I like the first and fourth ones the most.
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shark235 [2016-01-18 01:52:30 +0000 UTC]
Bambi is the only semi-antropomorphic animal that I know.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php…
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Little-rolling-bean [2015-03-04 12:15:57 +0000 UTC]
The company who made A&O also made that godawful food fight XD
not saying A&O is bad, it looks decent. Just thought it was pretty funny lol.
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wwwarea In reply to Little-rolling-bean [2015-03-14 06:15:49 +0000 UTC]
Where did you hear that?
Hmm I looked it up. 'Foodfight!' was made by a company called 'Threshold Entertainment'.
'Alpha and Omega' was made by a company called 'Crest Animation Productions'.
Under 'Production' on wikipedia.
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Little-rolling-bean In reply to wwwarea [2015-03-14 06:32:38 +0000 UTC]
Really? IMBD cannot always be right.
Eh, what do you think of Foodfight?
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wwwarea In reply to Little-rolling-bean [2015-04-08 02:04:03 +0000 UTC]
Late Reply
I don't think I got it from IMDB, isn't IMDB a rating site? I was talking about other sources like Wikipedia (Not a source it's self I think. xD)
I didn't watch it. xD But I heard it. I think it looked really... eh from the animation and graphics if I remember correctly.
In case you wonder, I actually don't check my DA mails much because I can have a problem finding too many debating comments I don't want to handle. xD
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Little-rolling-bean In reply to wwwarea [2015-04-08 03:00:22 +0000 UTC]
Its a rating site and a movie info/trivia one.
I see
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wwwarea In reply to Little-rolling-bean [2015-04-10 00:17:21 +0000 UTC]
Ah, yeah I was basing the info from places like Wikipedia and probably some other sites if I could remember. xD
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Little-rolling-bean In reply to wwwarea [2015-04-10 04:04:49 +0000 UTC]
I like to get most of my info from IMBD XD
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Wreckham [2014-12-17 17:07:48 +0000 UTC]
Why do you keep equating "style" with "anthropomorphism involved in the film"?
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wwwarea In reply to Wreckham [2014-12-17 22:38:57 +0000 UTC]
Well I usually think 'style' is something that's recognizable too. Like a theme of something and a very obvious purpose aligned with it.
Anthropomorphism was a 'style of animation' used for many years in past films.
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Wreckham In reply to wwwarea [2014-12-17 23:23:06 +0000 UTC]
Usually, when referring to "style" in art (especially visual art like animation), what's being referred to is the visual style in the film, how things were exaggerated.
If you need to call it something to reflect a theme, idea, or trend, call it a theme, idea, or trend lol. Anthropomorphism wasn't ever considered a "style"; Disney-esque or Don Bluth-like are considered styles. Impressionist and abstract and cartoony are styles. Anthropomorphism is a theme or element in a work. There's a dif, yo.
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wwwarea In reply to Wreckham [2014-12-18 04:41:10 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, you might make a good point.. But however, when I look up 'style': It just said "a manner of doing something.". Maybe people can call other things styles if they want if it's on purpose? Like I notice it looks like it doesn't apply only to 'visual' from some info online.
Theme is a good name too though, but if it's that, then I could say that as some 'purpose' too just as much as 'visual style'. xD
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wwwarea In reply to KashimusPrime [2014-12-05 02:36:40 +0000 UTC]
I already know now because of other comments.
As for the bias claims:
1) I am on a quest about this. What the heck do some of the people mean when they say "poor animation"?
2) The character designs are NOT bad. No design is bad, it's a style that many fans happen to like. Those who claim that are extremely bias honestly.. I mean people can say the same about yours.
3) Not everyone finds it bad, I mean maybe they could of added more, but I think they did enough for a lot of people, especially the target.
4) There was nothing really wrong with it. Maybe they could of added more stuff but the story on it's self shouldn't be compared to other ones.
Dude, you need to have an open mind because that is extremely bias, and not real critique: The designs are not a flaw, it's a art style for who they are. If you don't like it, that's fine but claiming they are a flaw because you hate the design, doesn't make your criticism a fact. It's just bias.
Please have an open mind and learn about the fact that people are allowed to have different anatomy before attempting to make a critique honestly.
Bullshit. You are honestly acting very idiotic. You claim it's "terrible" because you hate some of the designs. Guess what? Your bias, your not the right audience. Many fans loved what you personality hate, including the kids.
wwwarea.deviantart.com/art/Cri…
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wwwarea In reply to TheGuywhoLikesSonic [2015-07-28 13:28:10 +0000 UTC]
Disagreeing like this doesn't mean I am immaturity disagreeing them. And I think disagreement doesn't equal nonrespect.
And considering if people are allowed to throw their hatred to alpha and omega then people are allowed to throw it back.
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wwwarea In reply to KashimusPrime [2014-12-05 02:55:07 +0000 UTC]
Holy crap, you do realize that this is NOT meant to be a real life movie right?
They wanted to AVOID that on purpose. There is a "making of the movie" video available showing that they wanted to avoid it.
Otherwise, this would happen: images6.fanpop.com/image/photo…
Wow! They all look so unique on the rightz!
And who they are would not be them.
No they don't either. They look amazing for what they are. As an art style/personification type of style.
"I know cringed watching that film. "
I cringe when I see your icon? Therefor, it's a fact that it's a flawz.
"If you can't handle opinions or the truth, that's your problem. I merely stated mine."
And people have the right to disagree and express it. Opinions are arguable. All I'm doing is arguing you.
Also pretending your personal opinion is "truth" makes you a bigot.
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KashimusPrime In reply to wwwarea [2014-12-05 03:07:37 +0000 UTC]
Calling me a bigot and biased is showing me you're throwing a temper tantrum because I didn't like this animated misfire.
Ask around, people who go to art colleges are saying that Alpha and Omega was a horrible animated misfire. But that's what you get when you have films CGI'd in areas like Korea.
Getting up in arms over this shitty wolf movie because someone doesn't like it is making you look like every other kid here. If you want to be professional about the situation (and I'm sure you were trying till I gave you my opinion) you should take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt and not blow up in their faces.
If you're talking about stylized wolves.. Kayfedewa, Wolf's Rain, and Princess Mononoke wolves look better than the mutant mice in Alpha and Omega. If Disney or BlueSky Studios did Alpha and Omega it wouldn't read like every other wolf comic on dA. They'd put some actual hard work into it.
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 04:33:47 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure Korea, made some good animated films. A&O isn't one of them
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 16:30:36 +0000 UTC]
I'm p sure you'd be correct
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 16:33:02 +0000 UTC]
Trust me, any country can produce good movies, however, the people behind A&O are LAZY
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 16:43:31 +0000 UTC]
Aye. They must've decided Anime hair + Bad dA anatomy = good idea
Just the same could be said for any company really. I mean look at the Emoji Movie. It was really terrible. A&O level terrible. We lost Popeye The Sailor reboot to this. And that looked true to its original form in the teaser we got.
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 16:48:22 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah, I remember, they scrapped Popeye just to make that abortion of that movie. Also why does wwwarea think that the wolf characters are anthropomorphic? Just because they can think like a human (have emotions, talk)? Sure MAYBE to an extent but, physically no.
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 16:51:13 +0000 UTC]
Actually if a character talks and behaves similar to humans it's anthropomorphic. Balto, TLK, bambi etc are all anthro movies. This is called feral anthro, being that they're more animal than humanoid.
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 16:54:12 +0000 UTC]
Oh THAT type of anthro, that is what he's trying to say. He kept saying four legged anthros
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 17:13:23 +0000 UTC]
Nah, the proper term is feral.
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 17:16:35 +0000 UTC]
I don't think he knows that term
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 16:52:36 +0000 UTC]
But according to wwwarea, Kate and every other wolf character is anthropomorphic 🤔
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 17:13:42 +0000 UTC]
I try to ignore them. They're a borderline wolfaboo troll.
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 17:16:11 +0000 UTC]
I'm not sure about the troll part, he said that being a pedo is fine, as long as you're not offending anyone. Also he made a humanaboo stamp. What the fuck is a humanaboo??? 🤔
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KashimusPrime In reply to Bluetape45353 [2017-11-13 19:40:13 +0000 UTC]
I'd say that's trolling behavior.
I think it's a rabid fan of humans??????
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Bluetape45353 In reply to KashimusPrime [2017-11-13 19:40:59 +0000 UTC]
It's just a stupid term made up by wolfaboos
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wwwarea In reply to KashimusPrime [2014-12-05 03:14:26 +0000 UTC]
There is a difference between "personality disliking it" than "pretending your personal opinion" is fact.
Critique is about keeping personal dislike out. Otherwise, what's important about critique?
Going in here and forcing your shitty dislike over mine is a huge example of bigotry. Calling the movie "shit" because you dislike it is fucked up.
If you don't like it, fine! But that doesn't make your bias reasoning a fact. It's the same equivalent of bashing an anime movie because you hate anime.
No they don't. Stop selfishly thinking your "art style" fan crap is "better".
If they changed them to styles like "wolf's rain" that would be fucking terrible.
Also, they are not "mutant". Just because you selfishly think they are, DOESN'T make your opinion a "fact". If you think it's a fact, then you are a bigot. That's what bigotry means.
Seriously think before you comment like a moron and realize the actual truth.
Also, how insulting of you to use your shitty opinion against someone's art on a fan site.
And now I say crap to your personal dislike because you think others are crap.
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Also, you should look here:
wwwarea.deviantart.com/art/An-…
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AClockworkKitten In reply to wwwarea [2014-12-05 03:38:15 +0000 UTC]
sta.sh/0j43v4uy35w
Someone disliking something that you like =/= bigot.
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wwwarea In reply to AClockworkKitten [2014-12-05 03:57:10 +0000 UTC]
I know that...
But acting like your personal opinion is FACT to over others = bigot.
When someone attempts to make a critique attempt, I'm pretty sure people should act legit in it (Keeping personal disinterest out of it).
Or claiming something is "bad" or "terrible" as a fact, especially in a topic that isn't even talking about art style designs is also different than what you say.
Here is a neat example
I hate the singing in Frozen, but I know it's not a flaw on it's self because that's there style; it's just not my kind of thing.
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MidnightCrystalUmi In reply to wwwarea [2014-12-05 03:22:15 +0000 UTC]
Would you stop having a paddy ? i did not mind the film as half the story line was okay but the CGI was poor.
company's who make films like that are taking the cheap way out and trying to hard. Disney can wipe ass with company's like that.
not every one has to like something. this is still half a free world after all.
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wwwarea In reply to MidnightCrystalUmi [2014-12-05 03:39:35 +0000 UTC]
I was never forcing the person to like it. I was arguing his bias claims.
The problem with this moron is that he thinks and argues that the art style (And other things) are a "flaw" just because he doesn't like it.
He doesn't have to like it but there is a difference between that and attempting to make a critique.
Especially if he's going to use a fan-made picture and act like it's trashed, and do other bad things.. Seriously, certain people need to control themselves.
Besides, he started it by going here and unnecessary commenting that.. Maybe he misread my wondering on here? This topic was about "animation style" with an added question for why was the animation bashed or something like that.
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