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Rewards, 'good, bad', etc, etc. should never depend on critics.
Though I said 'not always' which means I am probably saying that sometimes they are. But you know what? Aren't they all just opinions like anyone? Isn't everybody a critic (Yes, fans count)?, etc?
I guess by 'not always'. Sometimes a critic can maybe indeed make a good point, such as missing some stuff, bringing in actual legit non-bias fault (Bugs, glitches, plot holes, graphic comparison within the same movie or game, and maybe some more.), etc.
Sometimes there is basic feedback where an artist (or company) might find something 'better' personality.
The thing that does upset me a lot is that some people treat critics as "superior" to all other, that all 'good' or 'bad' must depend on them, (especially that stupid 'Rotten Tomato' score crap) etc. but when I see some reviews (e.g. on Alpha and Omega, Untraceable, Man of Steel, etc. it sounds like "We seenz this beforez", "I personality hate art-style, flaw flaw!", "Why the Super Man have to be this way, can't it be like the old Super Man!!" "I hate Untraceable's story because it ends happy or umm.. something"), then I realized something.
Why the hell do we need critics these days? "All" they do is probably harm and spoil something that may be great to someone, and have someone avoid it, when they could of liked it. And can make the artists feel bad, etc.
I would say, there is one reward that could depend on critics and I think that's called a 'Critics Award'?
Want proof that critics can harm a reputation of a movie, game, etc?
Here:
Not only there was some criticism against critics but I experience this myself:
I was in a comment somewhere of something I don't remember. I was talking about something, and sometime later (probably due to something I said), someone said that they avoided a movie called 'The Nut Job' (I think) because they saw the score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Then told me that he/she got the movie some time later, and said to me that listening to the score was a mistake or something. He/she liked it.
Note: I apologize if this story came out false.
Seeing this shows that critics can indeed harm what would be possible to be enjoyed by maybe much more people.
The comment also reminded me of this: filmschoolrejects.com/featuresβ¦
or wait, it may have reminded of a VERY interesting comment I found... Mainly the last part...
filmschoolrejects.com/featuresβ¦
"and in those rare occasions like this, do i feel angry at these no-name individuals, and RT for giving them a safe haven for their hate by ruining a movie for millions of other people who possibly would have enjoyed the movie if they watched them on their own."Did anyone get the last part of that quote? I think that's what that comment I got on Youtube reminded me of.
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One other worst part is that some people are biases, and basically dictate over an artist of when something is good or "not". Some people I believe abuse an actual 'critique' by attacking artist creative intentions and unfairly compare it to things the artist (or company) either wanted or wanted to avoid.
THIS STIFLES CREATIVITY.
Another very bad thing, is that I've seen artists stand up against critics and many people attacked the artist for defending their own work by pretending that the critics opinion was "right".
Gee, I thought it was 'all opinions'? That wouldn't be so fucking hard to deal with if the above of everything I said never happened and that people didn't actually directly act like their personal opinion is "fact" when it comes to bringing out artist intentions.
It's fine to have personal preferences, but if you start judging (and for example) an 'art-style' of something, as a "flaw", or "better than another", then aren't are treating your personal preferences as a "fact"?
Edit: 12/10/2015: I meant to say "then aren't you treating" instead of "then aren't are treating". Edit done.
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You know I can agree with this one. I wanna use this.
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a critic, be it film, book, game, etc. is someone who trains themselves to consume media critically for the purpose of providing feedback to the original creator, or to the audience and other creators for learning what are good ideas and what are not good ideas. A critic is often required to watch almost every major film or read every major book that comes out in a year, so they see a lot more of the content in their expertise, so flaws and a lack of originality are far more obvious to them. A critic can absolutely be subjective, but it's not like they have no idea what they're talking about, and they're generally not just an audience member with a blog.Β
a regular audience member, however, is not trained to consume media critically, at least not as vigilantly as a critic does for their job. Lack of originality and flaws can often be dismissed because the audience not only isn't required to go see most major films in a year, but can't due to time constraints with their own job and money constraints. Audiences are able to just go see the movies they want.
Your evidence for "critics harm a film's reputation" has only one piece of evidence, there are no links to what you're claiming, you outright admit you don't remember the whole thing, you were unable to even identify the person who supposedly likes The Nut Job unironically (probably because nobody does) - all indications that this could easily just be a made up story. All it's missing is the person loudly announcing their love for The Nut Job in a VR chatroom & "and the entire chatroom clapped".Β
Nut Job also did shit with the audience; certainly not as shit with critics, but Rotten Tomatoes puts its film score at 43%. Shark Tale, Dreamwork's worst film to date, ranks at a 49% audience rating (critics gave it a 36; and yes, the art style was a criticism, because the film was objectively ugly-looking). The Nut Job's reputation wasn't ruined, it was just an objectively shitty film that both audiences and critics hated.Β
The same goes for all the films in the description; Alpha and Omega has an even lower score on RT than The Nut Job at 41%. Untraceable does a bit better, but audiences still hated it; 52%. About the only one that has a decent audience opinion is Man of Steel, and its critic reception is nowhere near as scathing as Alpha and Omega, The Nut Job, Shark Tale, Untraceable, etc; it's about in-scale.Β
There's also the fact that The Last Jedi's reputation, by your logic, is now destroyed by audiences because they gave it a low score, because wah wah i can't take anything that says a film is less than perfect.
No film is above criticism, no film is perfect; and a majority of this comments section is largely woman-scorned fans of films that were objectively terrible that both critics AND audiences hated. If this description were to be more convincing, it should mention Venom - while I appreciate the film wasn't out at the time, it is the most notable example of critics despising a film audiences love; but it also works against the message this stamp sets, in that professional criticism ruins films.Β
From the Wikipedia page for Venom:Β However, the film was a box office success, becoming theΒ seventh-highest-grossing film of 2018 , with over $856 million worldwide, and set several box office records for an October release.
Evidentially, while critics hated Venom, it still did really well at the box office. That undermines the entire point of this stamp; that critics ruin a film, persuade audiences not to see it, stifles creativity (wait how does it do that if most critics criticise a lack of originality? that makes absolutely no sense).Β
To conclude: Critics are trained to look at media with critical eyes; they're not just a regular audience member. They took training and classes to be where they are. If an artist cannot survive criticism of their work, they shouldn't publish it. That's not the same as taking all criticism on board for future projects; you are not able to please everyone. but both audiences and critics have the right to offer criticism on your work. If you're unable to take criticism, don't publish your work.Β
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Rotten Tomatoes is a big fat joke run by idiots who praise garbage that doesn't deserve it like "Big Mouth" and "Batwoman", nowadays bribed into saying things. Also learn the difference between criticism and brutal attacks. Only social justice warriors defend those snotty, uptight, buffoons.
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i'm not even defending rottentomatoes? i'm just saying that their audience ratings absolutely reflect the films in question being shit and it not being all the critic's fault. i get that deviantart is the only website where you'll find fanbases for objectively shitty films that nobody else would defend but come on
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All this guy is saying is that critics are not gods, and just because they are "professionals" doesn't make them right about everything they like or hate, because at most times they love the wrong kind of movies that nobody likes or knows, or that just plain awful, and they have an unnatural hateboner for films that audiences love and know what true art is without expecting too much from it. He's not saying all critics are 'bad' as you're putting it, he's just saying they're humans like everyone else. Nothing more. And just because you find some fanbases here based on "shitty" films doesn't always make you right either. Its nothing more than a silly personal opinion.
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critics... are quite literally professionals, there's no need for the quotation marks. they are trained to look at films critically. not every critic is out to rip apart films you love, and if a critic does rip apart something you love and their criticism makes your opinion of the thing worse for it, then you didn't love the thing in the first place.Β
they absolutely are saying critics and criticism are bad:Β Why the hell do we need critics these days? "All" they do is probably harm and spoil something that may be great to someone, and have someone avoid it, when they could of liked it. And can make the artists feel bad, etc.Β
they're saying nothing should ever be criticised ever because the people who worked on it might feel bad. they might not use the word "bad" but that doesn't mean that's not what they're insinuating.Β
and i'm quite sorry but Nut Job, Alpha and Omega, and Shark Tale are honestly and objectively garbage. seriously this is what shark tale looks like:Β
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you cannot defend that. you cannot say "wow, that looks like shit" is a subjective opinion. who unironically thinks in 2019 that that fucking thing looks good.
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I'm not defending Nut Job, Alpha and Omega, or Shark Tale as you think I am. I dislike them, but if some people want to make fandoms of them, that's none of my business to tell them they shouldn't be allowed to like what I hate just to make myself feel superior. That's beyond the point I was making. What you say makes no sense at all. I'm done arguing with a social justice warrior who fails to listen to the point of this stamp. Go ahead and keep defending those damn "professionals" all you want and be blind.
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you defend disney for a fucking living
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Audios Senorita.
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isn't that a feminine word
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Don't be stupid.
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Well after seeing this,I guess there's one thing I need to say...*breathes in*...I actually think the emoji movie was a decent movie
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Doug Walker sure as hell ainβt always right, and neither is his idol Roger Ebert.
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Yeah, the only times I agreed with Doug Walker are when he ripped apart real bad movies that deserved it like Cat in the Hat, Batman and Robin, Howard the Duck, Felix the Cat, The Nut Job, Norm of the North, The Christmas Tree, Elf Bowling, Christmas with the Kranks, Jack Frost, or even the Emoji Movie.Β
But now he is being overly hostile and ranting over films that don't deserve his crap like Disney remakes or sequels, showing that you are right about him being a howling, ranting manchild who can't accept that the simple things in life are just as great as the classics.
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disney remakes absolutely deserve the shit they get; they're just original film with a lot of the wonder and fantasy of the original taken away and replaced with corporate metacommentary and corporate wokeness that doesn't actually take any real risks. not so much the simple things as the bloated megacorporation trying to extend the copyright on the shit they own that they took from public domain in the first place.Β
i don't like the nostalgia critic but that's more tied to his organisation underpaying and sexually assaulting its workers, than "waah i sold my soul to disney for a pair of the mickey mouse ear headbands and he criticised the thing i like 
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The review he did of Heavy Metal back in 2011 or so was the straw that broke the camelβs back for me. He had trashed some shows that didnβt deserve it before then, but I tried to give him a chance and just let it be, but Heavy Metal?! Gonna talk shit about one of the GREATEST animated features of all time? I donβt think so! That was when I had had enough! And then two years later he talked a bunch of shit about Sailor Moon, and that only made me dislike him even more, tenfold.
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The one that broke the camel's back for me is when he looks at Ralph Breaks the Internet, Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, and now Mary Poppins Returns. He thinks just because he hates something personally, that makes them all bad movies, anything coming out of Disney is a bad movie nowadays and people stupidly just agree with him, or they are too blind in their ignorance and bias hate that they can't learn to enjoy what is there anymore, as if they think they are TOO COOL for KIDS MOVIES that ONLY kids will love as they say. Personally I only seen little of Heavy Metal so I don't remember much, but even if I did, I'm not going to waste my time talking smack about it all the time, nor would I do it against Ratatouille or Brave, unless it was a character comparison sheet I only do when I can. And ok, I admit there are some things about Sailor Moon I don't like myself, but that doesn't mean it deserves to be trashed and ripped over little things that anyone can learn to look over and not let it consume them like Doug does.
Again the only times I'll agree with him is what he said about real bad movies that deserve it. But now he seems to hate everything that's good and has no joy in life to appreciate anything which is sad.
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I do sometimes rely on critics, since they can be right sometimes.Β
But I can disagree with them too; I like a few movies that were considered "bad" by most critics, and I disliked a few movies that were considered "good" by most critics.
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Honestly, I'm not gonna let the critics damper my enjoyment of a movie or a TV show. They can think what they think.
If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. SIMPLE!
Why can't people do the same?
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I think this should especially be applied to popular YouTube animation critics, because god damn those people have the worst fans. Fans who forget that these critics' words aren't always factual and other people are still allowed to like media even if it's deemed bad by a critic.
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True... But they're not always wrong either...
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I actually liked "Psychonauts" though. I think it's a great game for what it is for what it's aiming such as the adventure as well with good textures, models, and powers, and I think it did well on that. There are other games you mentioned that were great too. I have a feeling you are just saying they are bad because it's not your kind of platformer.
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Just because something is "less" original, doesn't mean it's bad. True originality doesn't exist. All new things are made out of an existing thing or thing. I got the feeling that you are saying those 3D platformers are unoriginal because it's a 3D platformer. Adapting a genre is meant to imitate one or more ideas. Lots of stuff even in genres will be inspired by some styles too.
Psychonauts (I don't see how it uses the same exact assets). is still a new adventure, has new ideas in it and the concept seems pretty good and maybe new (the idea of dreams and physics) for it's graphics.
Hmm maybe I should look the game up more.
Yeah maybe I'll take a look. It might be a good game on itself.
Perhaps my issue is how you call a great game bad just because of the "original" argument even thought adapting and spiritual successors are good as they are sometimes.
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I can agree with ya. I've been tending to avoid most critic reviews nowadays or something. Sometimes I think reputations can change though. An American Tail when it first came out got horrible reviews by critics but nowadays it's more well received and Roger Ebert (I don't always agree with him but I think he was a great critic), who had thought it was too depressing for kids I heard actually changed his mind.
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Agree and can't belive a stinker like Ghostbusters 2016 got 72 percent, probably paid by Sony to critics to like the movie but in truth the movie totally sucked and an unfunny poorly written overlong disgrace to the original and glad it flopped, GBs died with Harold Ramis.
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Darn right! Β There are plenty of films that I like and think are great, but the critics hate for some reason! Β It's all a matter of what you like and don't like. Β A lot of times, the critics are too harsh and make things sound worse than they actually are.
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I've been spewing this rhetoric since I quite literally had my 1st opinion ever/a critic's primary job is to help the audience make an informed choice as to if a given film is something that critic's audience would want to go see|
What I hate about Rotten Tomatoes isn't so much the score system but the supposed system of "Fresh"-ness because this attempts to add "legitimacy" to how many critics or audiences agree on a particular film for whatever reason although I also say it doesn't matter much what the critic's score is versus the audience score which is cleverly represented by a bucket-o-popcorn|
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Someone better show this to all the fans of the Nostalgia Critic and MrEnter.
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Like whatever anyone says about Uncharted.
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By that logic, they have as much of a opinion as we do. As such, your opinions can be wrong, too.
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Tha point is that no opinion(s) can be either "right" or "wrong" because that defeats the purpose of opinions - something I've quite literally been saying my entire life|
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Well it is their opinion, so they were never right or wrong to begin with.
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Ultimately, it's their opinion, and should be treated as such.Β The only difference is that they have taken the time and effort to write an article/film a video stating their full opinion, rather than just saying "It's awesome" or "It sucks".
I could very happily do a review of, say, Alpha and Omega, and say that it is "beautiful", "captivating", "heart-warming", and "evidence that modern children's movies can have as much heart as they did when we were kids".Β Β Are these facts?Β No, they're my opinion (I actually did review it once, but it never went online).
So in short, I agree.
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It's been my experience that most of the time, they're full of sh---.
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(Sarcasm) I give this comment a 7.8/10 for too much negativity (Sarcasm)
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Critic suck mostly, they don't know good shit.
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I for one am sick and tired of hearing how someone acts like critics are right about everything they say about every movie, book, game, show they review just because they are "professional" critics, whatever the hell that means. Even the most annoying thing in the world is hearing someone call TheMysteriousMrEnter and Nostalgia Critic "God Almighty" which they are NOT! They are nothing more than humans, like the people you see everyday in society. Just because they are famous does NOT make them GOD ALMIGHTY or the kings of all righteousness. So sick of hearing someone act like they are. I've collected my own share of Disney and non Disney movies, having no need for their stupid opinions in the first place. I even made a list of my favorite so-called BAD movies.
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This is why I don't by into the critics that take themselves "professionally" (and I put that in quotes for a reason). People like TheMysteriousMrEnter and Modern-Day Nostalgia Critic actually make me cringe more than get any form of satisfaction.
I myself prefer the lampoons of critics like The Angry Video Game Nerd.
As far as MY taste for things go...I try it out first. If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. I don't let people I don't know determine my viewing/playing/whatever experience.
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