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I don't want to re-type everything. I already explained things against a lot of bullshit against me. I will also use them as to why I don't deserve one:
General Defense --- Not a Wolfaboo --- A&O Movie explanations
Now that's out of the way. That article that one person made was serious, and actually thinks he's right about me when in reality he has no evidence, and only uses his personal opinion and brutal honesty as a "fact" and calls it "criticism" when it's actually not.
Now I know what some of you may think. Some of you may think that it's a joke. That it shouldn't be taken seriously.
Well one of the problems to that is what I already said: He/she wrote it for serious reasons against me.
The other problems is that other people take ED seriously too:
Some say "He/She deserves an ED article."
Some believe people or at least some people were "stupid" to get one.
Some uses articles as "facts" and thinks the brutal honesty on some articles are "criticism".
In as a bonus, even if an article is just a joke, it can promote harassment, stalking, etc. and possibly damage someone's life.
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For me, I don't deserve one.
I had the right to defend animal rights, I had the right to criticize Copyright, I had the right to defend things I liked, I had the right to disagree, I had the right to defend harmless things against harmful things such as bullying, cyberbullying, harassment, etc., I had the right to openly share new ideas, I had the right to spirituality, and I had the right to BE MYSELF.
Just because you wrote something on ED bitching about what I like to do, being myself, etc. or anyone similar, doesn't mean you're right.
That article lacked any good reasoning to say I was a "bad" person or what I did was "flawed". Again, some of you may think it's a joke still, but remember, that article about me wasn't a joke. It was a hate article.
I know I've done SOME legit mistakes at times (e.g. I wish someone died of a heart attacked) but at least I'm open to understand that and regret.
But when it comes to a person who tries to find someone's sister on Facebook, trying to find my Facebook (Including with the sister stalking), who bullies people for fetishes, advocate harassment toward random individuals, treats personal preferences as "fact", lies to people about not leaving people alone, etc.Β and isn't sorry, it sickens me to see people like that get away (at least for a while).
Even though I think NOBODY deserves an ED article, if I had to agree that someone does, it's people who do this type of crap.
Also, I think this is my last stamp for a long time.. I may or may never come back. If I do come back, it's probably just for a couple things here and there.
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Careful, you just might provoke someone from ED to make you one.
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I'm not going to prevent myself from speaking up for the fear of some low life whining about what I do because he/she can't stand the criticism.
Besides, someone already did far before this stamp and it still didn't really stop me.
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I'm just saying. Besides you don't have to worry about ED nowadays....you might get hate blogs that talk about you behind your back on tumblr.
I could careless if people hate me for whatever reason too. If they talk shit about me behind my back, I wouldn't care. I don't know them either so who am I to impress them.
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I see. Haha - Funny too, I think the guy who made the page has a tumblr account.. He complained about people on there from DA..
This happened to me too, though the reason I cared a lot is that it depends what they say and do apparently.. But I see what you mean I think.
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The fact that he's the one who wrote it, the fact that he's stalking someone's sister just to find me, the fact that he keeps reacting to me in ways, etc.
He's the one that needs to leave me alone.
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Who, Channel? He blocked me on DA. lol
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Reverse the tide. There must be a campaign to take that website down.
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So take away freedom of speech?
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It's not freedom of speech; it's freedom of ignorance.
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They should be able to say what they want even if you get your feelings hurt by them. Im not saying that they should be exempt from any consequences. Even if its freedom of ignorance, shouldnt they be able to do that too?
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What of extremists, then?
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They can say what they want, but its illegal for them to hurt people.
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Alright, but there is such a thing as psychological pain. People will always get hurt, but why use it as an excuse?
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Your feelings dont trump people's freedom of speech. Simple as that.
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On the other hand, what if someone receives death threats after they say something?
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I said threats are not allowed.
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Also, there is no legit reason for someone to get an ED.
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Actually, that stamp is wrong. Freedom of speech does grant you the freedom to be an asshole, but it doesnt protect you against consequences. You have every right to flick someone off in the same way they can talk stuff about you, why do you not value freedom of speech? Are you really one of those kind of people who wants anti hate speech laws (those get abused all the time) and make bullying illegal?
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Yes I am one of those possible people that want certain speech banned. Especially by policies in community.
Hate speech has promoted suicide, ruined people's lives, and so on. And by 'hate speech', I'm not just talking about the classic "hate based off orientation, religion, and some of those others", it's referring to any hate based off emotion hate.
This applies to speech that (hate or not) involves cyberbullying, slander (cyberbullying or not), and possibly other harmful ones.
The fact that speech likes that doesn't help our own species also shows why we don't need it.
The suicide online is real, many people's lives were damaged by certain speech.. Since it does no good and that it already interferes with life, it shouldn't even be considered "Freedom" of speech.. Also note: Lot's of websites ban certain speech (e.g. Look at DA rules).
The only reason why Freedom of Speech was important (At least my guess, so I don't fully know) was so people can be free to make a world changing opinion or have any speech that promotes personal buisness. And I think our fair moral is meant to be about positive, respect, and so on for the people EQUALLY.
Plus sometimes those 'consequences' you speak of can be lacking so sometimes other 'consequences' (action against) should be made.
Though SOME asshole speech could possibly be legal, it still doesn't make it a moral OK card.
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Also I probably should apologize, I thought the original comment about Freedom of Speech was a reply to me.
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If you are one of these people you dont value freedom of speech. Freedom of speech by definition protects all kinds of speech, not just the ones you approve of. Words arent these atom bombs you believe them to be, youre the one letting it get to you. When somebody is attacking you on the internet, its not like you have to see everything theyre saying. You can simply block them, report them, or deal with them. Making bullying illegal is outright reprehensible, it punishes people for their inherent nature. But please dont be the asshole who writes some angry blog about the person and send white knights at them or flag/report all of their comments/content. Its ironic how the peopke who have the same beliefs as you actually do that a lot. We are inherently exclusionary assholes, that doesnt make us criminals. Im pretty sure that everyone, you, and me have picked on somebody before therefore making us all criminals by your definition. If someone killed themselves because of bullying, its not completely the bully's fault. Its the person who made that choice, its not like the bullies made it so that its the only choice. Kids that killed themselves from bullying are victims, but not heroes or any better of a human being (in fact worse i some cases) Regardless of the situation, suicade is the ultimate act of cowardice and selfishness. Im not saying that free speech makes it moral to say bad things, im just saying it protects that like any other kinds of speech. I dont know why you put the airquotes around consequences, most of the time the consequences do fit and are sometimes excessive. If you say anything against the lgbt community or any "oppressed" group on the internet, you get shredded by the sjws. If your idea of a proper consequence is federal punishment, thats morally reprehensible. Making your bully go to jail or having to pay tons of money to you for making fun of you and hurt your feelings makes them the victim. You must understand the consequences of anti hate speech laws, they get abused quite often and is used to censor people. By what standard are you going to say something is hate speech? You know there are people out there (you might be one) who finds everything to be hate speech.
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Not it doesn't. Some speech in the USA is illegal and doesn't allow certain speeches in several places. Not only the stuff I said was illegal, but even obsenity is illegal even though obscene is still some for of speech.
I'm not the one letting it go to me. My experiences are not fake, my predictions and fears came true, and so on.
Blocking them and reporting them barely helps and bullying SHOULD be illegal. Ever since places took care of bullying more, the better things got. So we need it. And the crap I've dealt with online should be illegal too. After all, even if something is "Freedom" of speech, it still doesn't change the fact that it can still be cyberbullying too.
I'm not an "asshole". Me explaining and standing up against discrimination not only doesn't make me one, but it's a reaction to actual assholes. I am not a white knight supporter. Same whenever I give legit criticism. And I'm not the same as those SJW people. The way I handle that isn't the same thing and just because you don't like it when people *ahem* use Freedom of Speech to stand up back against all that garbage, doesn't mean I'm an "asshole".
I used to be a bigot when I was smaller, but then I changed for the better because it made me selfish, and bigoted. I used to force people to like what I like and force people to hate what I hate. So I stopped after I found myself. But again, people can change for the better. Just because of a mistake, doesn't mean it's too late.
No it's the bullies fault. I'm sorry but I do not like it when you victim blame a suicide, hate speech causes triggers, and so on. Free Will for things like that doesn't exist. Even if it did, it's still the bullies fault in the first place. If we never took action against that, we would have more deaths of other people. Making people's lives a LIVING HELL is not a choice of the victim, and because of that, the victim may naturally form certain thoughts because of that.
Yes they are victims, but to say they are "coward" and "selfish" is extremely pathetic. Link , Link2 , Link3
Making people live though suffer and humiliation, etc. for who they are sounds more selfish. Helping is good, but regardless, it's not selfish or cowardly. Again, it's the bullies fault for making people's lives like a living hell and I can understand. If people can't have a nice life, those type of people may think death is the only solution out of it. It's NOT selfish to find happiness in your own life.
It would be nice to prevent suicidal thoughts, but you know what would really help that? Love and tolerance in a society. Though society today (often social media) is still rotting.. Especially since I recently found a "furries need to die" (something like that) comment somewhere.
Again, many rules and regulation against certain speech is there. Plus cyberbullying online is a form of "speech" but that type of stuff is illegal, and for good reasons of so.
Also, isn't legal action a type of consequence?
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Offensive or hateful speech is legal in the US, if this isnt true why are the westboro baptist church tsill running? Again, words can be hurtful but it really loses its effectiveness when you just learn to deal with it. Blocking and reporting does help, tell me your justififcation with some real reasons. Same thing with bullying. Im not saying bullying is Ok or that bullying isnt bullying, im just saying that being a dick is legal. You refuted nothing I said abut you illegalizing bullying so dont even say anything if you cant think of anything to say, all you did is restate your opinion which is a waste of time. Im saying youre an asshole because you belive that its not morally reprehensible to sue or even send someone to jail for hurting your feelings. Lowering other people's freedom because you value your feelings over them doesnt make you a person who's standing up against discrimination. A true activist would engage in actual conversation instead of trying to keep the "bigots" mouth shut. Im not saying that people cant change, im just saying that bullies will generally not magically change by your arbitrary rules. About suicade, im not saying that its completely the victim's fault. I was just saying that part of it is their fault for not getting help or dealing with it in a better way. Suicade is selfish and weak, just think about it. You end your life prematurely because you cant handle it, you leave all your friends and families, give trauma to all your loved ones, maybe the suicase method is horrifying. (Like how Leelah Alcorn fucked up the trucker psychologically by purposfully running into the truck.) Its true that there are rules and regulation on many sites on the internet but these arent laws therefore making "illegal" an improper term. So there should be no legal consequences.
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Strange, I was trying to look it up. It's hard to find laws, I was honestly sure there were certain regulations involving law, but I'm very sure there is many regulations in several public areas, websites, etc. Especially websites. I did found this just now. And I read that some countries have banned hate speech too.
That's not always true. In some cases, they would continue, to the point of harassment, and/or even other stuff (e.g. Slander).
Blocking and reporting does NOT help all the time. Trust me, I've did that, and DA can sometimes come off as silly and refuse to take down slander stuff down.
One time someone posted a slander journal claiming I was a "wolfaboo" and worse, claimed I "want" to kill people. And DA didn't do shit about it. Speech also influence people to believe I'm "bad" and that can come out as damaging and create false assumptions, damaging what my reputation is. Trust me, Speech CAN strongly effect many things. It's not simple black and white just like how a picture isn't a picture if it triggers things inside the head due to past experiences.
I don't?
K, here is more info about that, including some laws too: Some info. Policies and laws. Here too.
And while being a dick isn't always legal but part of it is sometimes, it's risky. Laws also allow people to enforce their own civil rules (e.g. Deviantart) too.
Im saying youre an asshole because you belive that its not morally reprehensible to sue or even send someone to jail for hurting your feelings.So the person who tried hurting someone's feelings isn't then?
I'm not the asshole. When I get harassed, to the point that my life is stalked, effected, hunted down on Facebook with real risks of personal info spread out, etc. I'm not an asshole to suggest such monster going to jail. For something like this, me being offended IS an excuse for things like this.
Plus shows why some speech can actually lead to suffering and pain of someone's life. Trust me, if you really are open minded, you would realize that. Speech isn't simply 'black and white', they have strong possibilities of effects.
Again, I don't claim superior, but people do have a right to stop something by force for more serious things than just "youa faggotz" by one guy.
Yet, speech can cause damage to someone's life, and that doesn't sound "equal".
Conversations DON'T always work. In fact, it never does 95% of the time. And while they don't work, people's live who's being effected by hate speech continues to go down the drain unless something else happened.
Well the ones who died, was due to pressure to die due to lack of good life thanks to assholes.
No it's not. It's like you can't take any fair criticism. I wonder if you will think the same if you had a son or daughter, that committed suicide by bullying in School? Would you go to his/her grave and say: "You're selfish and weak"? You should understand that suicide happens due to life being too hard for them. It could naturally make them think that the only way out is death.
Family and friends suffering is their own fault.. Hmmmm... Again, that's like saying "moving out is selfish" because of other people's feelings. Guess what? Do you even know what selfish is? Selfish is about involving other people not you. Choosing your own life ISN'T selfish. And just because it 'triggered' someone who cares, doesn't mean it is.
Making someone live in a life that's not respecting him/her IS selfish.
Plus, did you even read those links I've gave out?
You want to help end suicide, then help end cyberbullying, bullying, etc. The things that trigger people to do that.
But you said 'laws and regulations'. So there should be a legal thing. And I already gave out some links on legal information. If you had an open mind, you should look at them.
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Im not saying that there is no regulations on places like the internet, im just saying that they arent really a law. Im not saying that there are no hate speech laws across the world either which is irrelevent to the conversation to begin with. In fact there are many instances of hate speech laws and the arbitrary policies being abused to censor people or just flat out destroy them. Its absolutely fucking ridiculous that a person can get fined $50000 or get jail time for doing something as stupid and petty as not respecting someone else's pronouns or "triggering" them. These anti hate speech laws and internet policies are whats making european countries and canada worse to live in and censor meaningful arguments or discussion. If what you wanted happened i wouldve probably not be able to comment here in the first place for not being politically correct enough. In fact, wouldnt making bullying illegal in schools create a bullshit environment? The only way to get resistant to getting picked on is to experience it. If you grow up and faced no conflicts, you would get totally wrecked in the real world because you never expect conflicts to begin with. Im not saying that blocking and reporting always help, but im saying that its quite effective and that there are plenty of people too stupid to see this as a viable action to take. I think you're underestimating the effectiveness of blocking and reporting. This slander journal you complain about is most likely to be a troll or just someone completely stupid, nobody is going to read this journal and think you're a wolf otherkin with murderous tendencies. I can assure you that nobody will take it seriously. Speaking of slandering, I find it absolutely hypocritical how you complain about getting slandered to me yet you're keep on making a false image of my views to make me seem like a bully or promoter of it. No i do not think bullying is okay in any way, i just dont believe that laws that illegalize bullying is effective in any way. We all at some point bullyied someone before, that doesnt make us criminals. I dont think that a person who is hurting your feelings or "triggering" you isnt being an asshole. However im suggesting that if you endorse or abuse policies or laws to get that person in jail, sued, fined extreme amounts of money, and get fired which can potentially destroy their life, I think its fair to say you're the bully yourself. Another thing im not suggesting (How many godamn lies did you make about me?) is that stalking, doxxing, and hunted down should be legal. Stalking, doxxing, and hunting down are actually real crimes with laws against them. Those things are not only on a different degree of severity, theyre actually a completely different thing than hurting your feelings or making you feel "triggered" Conversations and discussions dont always work, however censorship is NEVER the solution. And dont do this "hou dont know how its like" argument. Thats weak as hell, this doesnt mean that what i say is any less meaningful. The reason why i think that people who kill themselves over these things are weak is because they didnt handle it well enough, suicade is preventable by taking action which these people never did. You need to do your own part if you get bullied. Your argument about me addressing the grievances of friends and families (are you serious?) is weak, moving out and suicade is different. If someone suicades, they can never be seen again. They're GONE, NONEXISTENT. Moving out doesnt have those consequences, is it that hard to get you head wrapped around that idea? Making someone live a life they dont feel like living is not selfish. If a friend or family lost their will to live, i will do anything to keep them from killing themself because i care for them. I will even use force, i will not respect a person's decision to kill themself because that is wrong and they will regret it. All the people who tried to suicade said that the thing they felt right at the moment was regret. If someone said that they want to end their life to you and you have to use force to keep them from doing it, would you stop them? If you said no, you failed to save that person and youll have to carry that burden for the rest of you life. Its ironic how you think that youre the one thinking that you are trying to end suicade and that im not yet you hold these atrocious views on suicade itself. I hope you know you really fucked up on this comment.
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One simply cannot fight the internet and expect to win.
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And just because the so-called "Internet" said so, doesn't mean they're right.
I'm not trying to 'take down' the site, but rather, telling the truth. Which is something they can't delete.
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You don't understand. You cannot directly fight the internet counter-culture because there is nothing to fight against. There is no structure. It's a contrarian anarchy where conventional ideas of morality do not apply. They exist to contradict anyone who takes the internet too seriously.
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The problem is that many people can be blind to it, and lack morals (similar to what you said). All I'm doing here is arguing that nobody deserves a cyberbullying article. And that a lot of them are not exactly "jokes". And that if people see it, they can see the truth here on DA if they find my main profile here.
Some people seem to take it seriously, and uses it as a serious tool at times.
If it was only a joke site, that no writer was serious, just joking and that people don't go around saying "you deserve one!", then I probably wouldn't care that much. xD
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Encyclopedia Dramatica is a documentary of internet/IRL drama. The more drama you produce, the more ED users will milk you for the lulz.
Spare me your speech about cyberbullying. I am a messenger and nothing more.
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It's not exactly like that all the time. Most of the times a lot of article owners are serious behind their own reasoning. Them doing that to mock people, and so on is a form of cyberbullying. I say that because it's one of the examples too.
A messenger? You claim I "can't" go against the internet, so you kinda used an opinion as an argument. xD
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Well, you tried. Look how it turned out.
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Just because some loser wrote that article, and other people who failed to make humanity look good, doesn't mean they've won.
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No I don't. Just because you don't like it when someone disagrees with you doesn't mean I deserve it.
If you were matured, you wouldn't be like "He deserves harassment!!!" just because you don't like it when someone argues.
And I wasn't "too" obnoxious.
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I love arguments and disagreements. That's not what bothers me about you at all, silly!
What annoys me in general is your ignorance/conceitedness
You know next to nothing but believe the opposite.
I was defending you before now, but I will make sure to support all efforts against you from here on out
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What annoys me in general is your ignorance/conceitedness
You know next to nothing but believe the opposite.See the problem with you is that you claim things about me without any real evidence to support your claims.
I think it's you that's ignorant and honestly, stupid at some parts because for example: If you think it's "OK" to say: "You deserve it" because you don't like it when someone speaks their mind about something in a concerning way (That you said you personally don't like), then you are advocating harm by saying I "deserve" harassment, cyberbullying, etc. because you aren't open minded about the way people think and worry.
EVEN if I was proved to be "stupid" a lot, it still doesn't make you a better person to say I deserve all the harassment, etc. Like you said, it COULD be illegal, and it STILL IS even if I "was" stupid (which you don't have evidence for).
Now do you get it? Because if you claim I'm (Not you) "stupid", I have a RIGHT to be concerned, and you have to understand that. Jerk.
And I will do the same back and expose your crimes if I desired to then. Your immature crap about me is nothing but attacking, and fucked up shit.
I'll just say you used to be on the right side, and was even aware that cyberbullying is illegal, but now you chose to ignore that and join the white knights like a little kid because he didn't like the other person's life.
You're just an average person who can't respect opinions involving the right to self-defense.
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You are the evidence. I've spoken with you before, but I guess I hoped you'd learned your lesson from all of this. It seems you haven't.
If you disagree, that's fine-- I fully expect you to. I'm not going to waste any time arguing about it.
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The "evidence" that I spoke my mind, etc?
That doesn't make ANY sense. It's like you say my arguments are "stupid" because it's me saying them, and how I am concerned. In fact, that's what you're doing. That's unfair and I believe that's very discriminating to based upon people themselves.
"If you disagree, that's fine"
*earlier*
"Okay, never mind, you're too obnoxious for my tastes. I take it back; you deserve all of the hate you get."
" but I will make sure to support all efforts against you from here on out"If you really respected people who disagree, you wouldn't be saying stuff like that.
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No, you're just trying to pull a straw-man. There is absolutely no problem with you speaking your mind about things. I encourage it. That's not the problem at all.
It's that your "ideas" are so uneducated. It's like attempting to discuss quantum physics with someone from the middle ages: They'll disagree with a lot of it, and they'll probably give you reasons that sound valid to them ("if quantum particles exist, why can't I see them?!"), but they're unaware at such a fundamental level that their arguments are meaningless. But the problem is, they know so little about the subject that it's impossible for them to understand why what they're saying is so hopelessly stupid.
To reiterate, disagreeing is fine, but it's annoying when you think you understand things that you're clueless about. I know you'll disagree with this-- stupid people don't know or think that they're stupid-- but that's why everyone finds you irritating.Β
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But my ideas are not 'uneducated'. You saying they "are" isn't proof that they are.
My arguments are nothing like that. Yet, it still shows that you can't respect people for giving an opinion by saying "you deserve all the hate" or something like that. Even if I "was" uneducated.
Saying "You deserve harassment, cyberbullying, etc." because you disagree with me is the real problem here.
The only stupid people is you. You're one of those guys who thinks other people are stupid just because you think so, and think I'm one of those real stupid people who denies truth.
The only ones that are doing that is you.
Wanna know why? Because you failed to disprove me, and continue to think I'm "stupid" anyway. I've shared links to many arguments and understood a lot of things, my predictions came true at least most of the time, including my predictions of the cyberbullying. I studied the laws, and other stuff and figured out they supported my claims, I was able to read criticism that observe social behavior in general today, and so on.
I failed to see you prove how you're "right" over me when you couldn't prove how. And you still think I'm "stupid" and "ignorant" when I'm far from it.
It's bad enough for you to call me "stupid" and "ignorant", but it's even more worse to continue to act like that and make up bullshit about me like the "Stupid people will deny" crap.
And I know you will disagree with this, after all stupid people will probably deny the truth.... and blame the wrong person.
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I'm not interested in attempting to prove to you that you're ignorant. You don't listen. Nothing gets through to you because you don't understand it. No matter what I say, you'll deny it. I've spoken to you before, and it's a waste of time. You don't understand enough about the world for anything I can say to be meaningful to you.
If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. But maybe stop to think that perhaps there's some truth to it when everyone who speaks to you gets the exact same impression, if you can get past your autism for just one moment.
This will be my last reply. I'm not looking to argue with you, I'm just here to tell you how it is-- take it or leave it, deny it or believe it, it's up to you.
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I don't listen? I do listen, I've seen your comments and I replied to parts of what you said. I'll admit, SOMETIMES I can take things the wrong way by some people (Not so sure though), and I'll admit that in the past if it's true, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid in general. Or hell, if that even connects to stupidity.
If you won't argue specifically, then I'm still on the stance that I'm not stupid. Usually for my general part on the stamp, animal rights, Copyright, etc.
I tried that, I've only discovered old mistakes I'm often already aware of. At the same time, my general stance on here is still the same because I didn't do any real mistakes.
Plus, stop using "autism" as an argument. That's offensive to some of the community. And yes, you are ignorant of it. First things first, not all autistic people is the same.
Saying I'm "stupid" and treating that as a "fact" makes you stupid.
And you still FAILED to acknowledge your own mistake by saying I "deserve" harassment, EVEN if I "was" stupid.
Harassment is never good regardless. It's still wrong, cyberbullying can be illegal, etc.. It's funny how you say that, and then completely talk different.
That's my last reply.
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