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When most people talk about Feudal Japan, they’re often referring to the Tokugawa Shogunate, so I'll go ahead and discuss it as well.  Japan at the time was a violent, divided place, and one man who sought to bring unity to the land was future shogun, Tokugawa Ieyasu, who led his army against his foes.  His foes, much to the Assassins’ glee, were often Templars and their associates, and so Tokugawa and the Brotherhood formed an alliance.  In 1571, Hattori Hanzō, a Ninja, Samurai, and member of the Assassin Brotherhood, killed Mōri Motonari, a daimyo who threatened Tokugawa’s army.  This allowed Tokugawa and Oda Nobunaga, an allied daimyo who also sought to unify Japan, to continue to expand their efforts.  However, in 1573, rival clan leader Takeda Shingen defeated Tokugawa’s forces at the Battle of Mikatagahara by using his Sword of Eden.  In retaliation, Hattori Hanzō and the Samurai, Honda Tadakatsu killed Takeda and took his Sword of Eden.


The Templars realized the threat Tokugawa’s allies posed to their power, and quickly began to recruit new allies to fight.  They sent their agent, an Italian missionary named Alessandro Valignano, to do the job.  Alessandro recruited many men to the Templar cause, like the powerful and dictatorial daimyo, Uesugi Kenshin.  Kenshin was killed by Hattori Hanzō however in 1578.  The Templars also recruited the powerful noblewoman, Mochizuki Chiyome, but she too fell to the Assassin's blade in the 1590s.


Not long after that, Oda Nobunaga came into possession of a Sword of Eden, and became engulfed in its power.  This caused the Assassins to sever their alliance with him, and when they caught word that Oda’s general, Akechi Mitsuhide, was planning to betray his old master, they sent their man, a monk named Yamauchi Taka, to assist in the rebellion at Honnō-ji temple and kill Oda in 1582.  Yamauchi then took the Sword of Eden and sent it off to be hidden by his brothers in China.


Things took a turn for the worse for the Assassins when Hattori Hanzō was killed in 1596 by his longtime rival, the ninja Fūma Kotarō.  Hanzō’s son, Masanari, carried on his legacy in later years.  Things looked brighter when in 1598, Yamauchi Taka killed Toyotami Hideyoshi, a powerful ruler who unified Japan buy with an iron fist.  The Assassins then later fully established Tokugawa as Japan's shogun after helping him win the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600.  Under Tokugawa’s rule, Japan was free of most Templar tyranny and a golden age was beginning to dawn.


The last threat to Tokugawa’s power was finally stamped out after his forces defeated the Toyotomi clan during the Siege of Osaka in 1615.  Hattori Masanari was tragically killed in the battle, but at least he didn't die in vain.  Over the next 250 years, the Tokugawa shogunate oversaw the longest period of peace and stability in Japanese history.  The Shogunate came to an official end in 1868, when the 15th shogun, Tokugawa Yoshinobu, resigned.  I guess not all golden ages can last forever, huh?


Actually, speaking of golden ages, I hear the Netherlands are doing pretty well around this time.

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Madflatter12 [2021-03-23 15:23:10 +0000 UTC]

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Cupidcomet77 In reply to Madflatter12 [2022-01-04 06:31:44 +0000 UTC]

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andrewa123 [2019-10-08 19:09:30 +0000 UTC]

how did i miss this, fantastic work ModernDaVinci here's hoping we get this time period one day, be interesting to see how they will do and fit the legendary figures like Yasuke and william adams in this time period of the franchise will they be Assassins, Templers or neither what do you think? but either way keep the great work. 

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Avapithecus In reply to andrewa123 [2019-10-08 21:01:58 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, that means a lot They highlighted many of the people from the Feudal period in AC Memories, though as far as I can tell they made no mention of any Yasuke or William Adams specifically

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andrewa123 In reply to Avapithecus [2019-10-08 21:50:46 +0000 UTC]

ah i see but for your ac universe you've been doing, which Affiliations with Assassins, Templers or neither you see them in or if they exist in your ac universe.

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Avapithecus In reply to andrewa123 [2019-10-09 04:30:25 +0000 UTC]

Ah, well my fanon always adheres to official canon first and foremost lol.  I've only got one Japanese OC, and her name is Asuka Washi.  She's set during the Boshin War and Meiji Restoration period in the 1800s.  I don't really have any thing for the Sengoku Jidai since pretty much every plot idea I could think of was already covered in AC Memories and I don't like to write too close to canon plotlines.

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Historyman14 [2017-08-02 17:10:00 +0000 UTC]

And Ubisoft thinks a game set in this era would be bad...Please. 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-02 17:16:44 +0000 UTC]

I don't think they said they necessarily thought it would be bad, I think they just said it was kinda overused.  I could be wrong though

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-02 18:27:10 +0000 UTC]

No really. Ubisoft did a poll on what era people wanted to see the most. Ancient Egypt, Samurai Era Japan, and World War 2 won out. And Ubisoft said there was the 3 worst eras to do a AC game in. 

Now with Origins, who knows. 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-02 18:34:23 +0000 UTC]

Maybe I just read an article wrong lol.
Personally I'd love to see a game set in the Civil War as well.  I feel like that has a lot of story potential I'd write a fanfic for it, but I generally try to stay away from major time periods I like to use more unknown/glanced over time periods like the War of 1812 and the Bone Wars so that I'm less likely to be overturned by official canon XD

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-02 19:18:04 +0000 UTC]

I agree. And I like how you use eras that are often overlook. I mean, I have a Jewish Canadian pal, and even he say the War of 1812 is not too well known. (Besides starting the Canadian Identity.) 

Now think if there was no War of 1812 and the America attack the Spanish Colonies. 

www.alternatehistory.com/forum…

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-02 19:46:10 +0000 UTC]

They always taught us about the War of 1812 in history class and I always thought it sounded like such a cool time period.  I always wished we could've spent more than just a couple days on it lol

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-03 02:08:57 +0000 UTC]

Argee. 

Now what do you think would happen if there never was a War of 1812? 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-03 03:17:28 +0000 UTC]

I can't imagine there'd be much difference I mean, the War ended with both sides agreeing to go back to the exact same boundaries and relationships as before.  Napoleon was already well on his way to defeat and thus the whole Impressment thing was naturally dying out on it's own.  I guess it would've been less likely Tecumseh would've died as early as he did, so maybe he would've succeeded in uniting the tribes and forcing the Americans to slow their expansion and recognize them all as societies.  Other than that, I can't really think of anything that would change

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-03 13:30:19 +0000 UTC]

But how it would. To name a few. 

A longer, and stronger Federalist Party. 

No Andrew  Jackson, or he won't get into the White House. 

Tecumseh's War is already ongoing, so it is likely that he would have been beaten sooner without the UK help, and the US fighting England. In fact, the British can pull their support from the tribes in the Northwest Territory and leave Tecumseh out to dry in return of American food stuffs. (Heck, even turn him over to the Union.) More British money comes into the US economy, meaning farmers are pleased, their Congressmen are pleased and less support in Congress for silly things like invading Canada.

No Monroe doctrine as we know it, or at least for the time.

War with Spain, snatch up Florida, lands to the west, and in turn  support the independence movements in Spanish America, like Mexico's, as part of their war with Spain, giving them leverage to get some massive gains in territory without "just taking it". (Texas in fact already had a low-level rebellion happening during this time.) 

Smaller version of the Panic of 1819. (Caused by Post-Napoleonic Wars Europe.)  

A much longer time for a Canadian  Identity to start forming.  Maybe even a much more American and open for Annexation. (Besides the Anglo-Canadian not forming, the War of 1812 solidified the border as a real border between two different political entities in people's minds. Before the war, Americans and Canadians moved back and forth pretty much at will. If the idea of 'US annexing Canada' doesn't go away, it will have the affect of intensifying regional disputes inside the USA.) 

So.....everything is different.  

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-03 13:41:17 +0000 UTC]

Maybe I'm just uncreative XD I always did suck at Risk lol
Then again I'm so used to coming up with stories based around what did happen and not what could've happened so maybe that's also a factor lol
Heck, I don't even want to try to imagine a world where the South won the Civil War XD Sounds horrible

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-03 13:59:10 +0000 UTC]

You have Southern Victory/Timeline-191. (America becomes more Left-Wing with the  Socialist Party becoming one of the two big parties with the Democrats, George Armstrong Custer becomes a major war hero in Great War in the South, Indians got murder with the Union not playing games and for the Indian Territory sided with the South. (Get fill with Whites after Great War One.) 

Second Mexican War American lost, and got super pissed and form a Alliance with the German Empire and Won Great War 1, annex Canada, but have no idea what to do with it, Fascist took over the UK and France, and get nuked in Great War 2 by the Germans (Who also drop a bomb, or two n the Germans.) , who also  use the first superbomb (Sun Bombs) to destroy Petrograd, the CSA  jury-rigged one to bomb Philadelphia, and the Union use their own on  Newport News and  Charleston, in apparent revenge for South Carolina being the first state to secede from the Union back in 1860.

And...oh, the CSA put a Hitler named Jake Featherston in power, and who started a Black Holocaust that killed about 10.4 to 10.6 million blacks before the South was beaten. Which was about 78.7% of the Southern Negro population, and nuked ) 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern…

But besides that, what do you think the lack of War of 1812, Tecumseh's Confederacy getting throw under the bus, and War with Spain would affect your 1812 Era characters? (Aveza, Connor, Shay, Arnold Bellamy, other.) 


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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-03 14:08:51 +0000 UTC]

See, all I was thinking was that slavery would've continued and that would just be awful.  I'm terrible of thinking that far ahead in so much detail when it comes to this stuff XD

Hmm... well in the Project Thunderbird universe the War of 1812 was purposefully egged on by Shay so that the Templars would have a cover for their hunt for the Piece of Eden as well as a chance to spread their influence to other lands.  So I gueas in a world where Shay never had his agents push for war, Aveza’s job would be a lot easier The Assassins would be able to focus their efforts on defending Prophetstown and guarding the Precursor temple there while other agents went our searching for the key to it.  Andrew Jackson probably still would've led his coup against Shay and gotten into the temple, but Gavriel would've told him to screw off and Aveza still would've gotten the message addressed to Ava.
So... probably the same story with a lot less bloodshed XD

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-03 14:19:20 +0000 UTC]

If it helps, Slavery was ended in the CSA when Confederate President James Longstreet, in return for British and French governments' assistance, proposes the nominal manumission ("emancipation") of the country's slaves, as their vital alliance with the Confederacy will not continue unless slavery eas abolished.  And the Confederacy need the builds up its own industrial base, it would increasingly become less reliant on manual slave labor in an predominately agricultural society. 

Despite being technically freed, the Confederacy's black population continued to live in Apartheid-like conditions. (So the South only ended Slavery to keep Paris and London on their side, and not even Congress learn of the deal till after the Second Mexican War was over. And it was close vote that only happen thanks to the new Mexican States, the only reason for it all.) 

Oh, and the German Statue of Remembrance. 

vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/t…


What about the War with the Spanish Colonies? Nothing on that? Or Tecumseh's Confederacy getting kick in hard without British aid, and the Union having a free hand? Or the issues of the lack of forming the base of the Canadian self and Americans and Canadians keep moving back and fourth? 

 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-03 14:32:04 +0000 UTC]

I mean, I'd imagine the Assassins would have to handle all that stuff as well.  Obviously the loss of Tecumseh is a big blow to the Brotherhood in either reality But they have many good men on their side to at least try and pick up what little pieces of the plan they could.  They'd have to fight a lot harder against American expansion, though they kinda did that already.  Native Americans didn't just give up their lands afterall.  Even without Tecumseh or British aid, they still fought to preserve their cultures and lands.  As for Canada, I find it unlikely they'd go over to the side of US annexation.  The whole reason they resisted both siding with the American Revolution and the American Army in the War of 1812 was because they were super comfortable with the life they had as Grits.  If anything, I feel their ideal of British identity would just strengthen.

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-04 14:17:37 +0000 UTC]

This is what Joshua Ben Ari said.

'No War of 1812? I think that there would be a much less defined Canadian identity, and while there most likely wouldn't be as strong of an impetus for the Rebellion of 1837 / Guerre des patriotes there *would* be some form of Canadian identity of "being against Americans". I could very easily see the British propping up and backing militarily British North America against the Americans though. I also don't see a lot of border "corrections" or swathes of territory going from BNA to America, the Canadians would say "No" and the Brits would say "They said no." 

'A lot of Canadians heavily distrusted American immigrants and refused to let large numbers in. And those who did immigrate into Canada adopted the pro-British stances of their neighbors. Hell, Laura Secord - the hero of the War of 1812 - was descended from Patriot immigrants.'

So you seem to be right in this. 

But would be more fun is no Pacific coastline. (Which is easy with PODs ranging from the Astor expeditions in the 1810s to settlement of claims between the USA and UK post-American Civil War.) 

The impact on Canada though would be profound - you can't have Canada as we know it without a Pacific coastline, and the reduced Canada would be much more centered on Ontario and the St. Lawrence valley. Which could have some interesting impacts on Western Canada, which even in OTL felt that Ontario ignored them. Without the need to link up with British Columbia and the Pacific, that would be greater than OTL, possibly resulting in the Prairie provinces either forming a separate Dominion or seeking to join the US.

If the USA takes everything west of the Continental Divide, the usual thing done here is one of two things, both fairly plausible - we get a weaker Canada with some greater regional tensions, or Britain might decide to forgo creating one Dominion, opting instead to create several. Rather than Canada, we could see a Dominion of Quebec, a Dominion of Ontario, and a Dominion of the Maritimes, and Newfoundland and the Prairies with rolled into one of them, sold to the USA, or in the case of Newfoundland, maybe even integrated into the UK itself.
 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-04 14:45:57 +0000 UTC]

This is why I was never able to get into alternate history stuff XD Like, it's cool to think about and I totally get the appeal, but I myself just suck terribly at thinking all these steps ahead and factoring in all these different variables lol
But hey, kudos to you for having that talent man

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Historyman14 In reply to Avapithecus [2017-08-04 15:56:58 +0000 UTC]

Its not all me.  (It is 50/50 if there is Domomion of Canada/Confederation, or London pick to break up Canada like so.) 

But I am here, and others from Alternate History Discussion to help if you ever what to mess around with alternate history. (Possibles are endless.) 

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Avapithecus In reply to Historyman14 [2017-08-04 16:19:21 +0000 UTC]

Lol I'll be sure to keep that in mind

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Kimberly-SC [2016-11-13 21:54:19 +0000 UTC]

The two assassins have an awesome style with a lot of typical Japanese signs, as the shoulder-arm protectors of the assassin on the right side and the design at the clothes of the guy on the left side
Also the swords are drawn really well

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Avapithecus In reply to Kimberly-SC [2016-11-13 21:58:38 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, they did a pretty good job at designing these characters for the game Kinda wish I had their outfits XD

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Kimberly-SC In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-15 23:12:11 +0000 UTC]

They definetely did!
Ebay is the solution!

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Avapithecus In reply to Kimberly-SC [2016-11-15 23:25:52 +0000 UTC]

XD I'm still trying to save up for a trip to the fabric store so I can sew up some costumes.

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Kimberly-SC In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-17 13:58:59 +0000 UTC]

Really?!
If you have a costume, please upload it one day!!!!!

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Avapithecus In reply to Kimberly-SC [2016-11-17 16:22:45 +0000 UTC]

I'll be sure to ^^

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SweetElectricity [2016-11-03 17:57:40 +0000 UTC]

OOo, I love the outfit style in this one! : 0
You're so creative with outfits, I say it over and over cause omg it's so true.
I also especially like the background ~ it's so pretty !!

I love how you blended Assassin's creed and Japanese history in this! X)
AHHw you're so creative I cry ;;

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-03 18:02:27 +0000 UTC]

lol thanks Sweets ^^
I can't really take credit for the designs or lore though The two characters are from one of the games and so was the lore.

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SweetElectricity In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-03 18:13:40 +0000 UTC]

; 0 ; oh snap i feel so bad now ooo
They are creative tho, tbh

BUT. BUT. YOu need to take credit and all the compliments of your pro drawing skills OK?
  B )

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-03 18:27:55 +0000 UTC]

Nuu don't feel bad senpai ;; *hugs*

Lol okay fine.  But only this once.  Just for you senpai B)

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SweetElectricity In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-03 18:40:09 +0000 UTC]

;; But senpai...!

X ) YES. SENPAI NOTICED ME
runs in circles of happiness

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-03 18:45:10 +0000 UTC]

Nuu no buts senpai! ;;

XD *runs in circles with you*

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SweetElectricity In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-03 21:54:03 +0000 UTC]

* 0 * Yes senpai!

How has the Modern been btw?
Good??

So sorry about the comments and replies you may be expecting, as you know, I'm so lazy with messages uuuu

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-03 22:56:48 +0000 UTC]

I've been okay, thanks for asking ^^
Admittedly, things are getting a bit stressful at home, but everywhere else is going pretty well

It's okay Sweets ^^ I don't really expect any comments or replies.  I mean, it's always nice to receive them, but I'd never force you to do so or anything.  I know it's difficult to sift through messages, it's no problem Go at your own pace

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SweetElectricity In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-06 05:40:08 +0000 UTC]

Aw : ( I'm so sorry to hear that Modern!!
;; If you ever need to talk about it, I'll be here alright?
you can note me too, if you need to!

Oh really?? You like em comments?
Cause I always feel bad about it, and wonder like; Am I saying too much? or like am I spamming the pro too much?
; > ; Tell me if I annoy you in anyway alright ~ I won't get offended!
I just wanna be a supportive stalker friend is all! B )
Now I sound like a creep rip

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-06 13:21:35 +0000 UTC]

Thanks Sweets, I really appreciate it ^^

Oh no, you never say too much!  I love talking with my friends! ^^ It's like my favorite thing to do!  You could never spam or annoy me, senpai.  I promise <3
Thanks so much for being supportive B)

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SweetElectricity In reply to Avapithecus [2016-11-19 22:47:24 +0000 UTC]

;; Of course Modern!
Np!

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Avapithecus In reply to SweetElectricity [2016-11-19 22:51:07 +0000 UTC]

^^

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avenger09 [2016-11-03 02:20:58 +0000 UTC]

As you've now gotten to Asia my I suggest for that if you get to the 1950's Korean War, that the Assassin wear a green raincoat www.military1st.co.uk/products… to help them blend into the Army. White would kinda stick out in that warzone, plus it was around that time that the Assassins where being more discrete about their wardrobe. Course a red neck scarf might be acceptable.

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Avapithecus In reply to avenger09 [2016-11-03 10:29:49 +0000 UTC]

I do plan to do one on Korea and Vietnam when I get there.  Though, grant it, given how much I procrastinate that'll probably be a long ways away lol

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Acre3333 [2016-11-02 09:10:23 +0000 UTC]

Amazing picture, I do love Japanese culture and the idea of feudal Japan in amazing but also I've played a lot of Tenchu in my life haha.
I believe the Assassin shouldn't be a Ninja or samurai. They assassins weren't ninjas, there were Assassins who were ninjas and same with samurai or Geisha. I think the Assassin should be someone in the middle or maybe even a rising warlord or whoever.
I do love the last Samurai and think that would be a great setting for an AC game. Coz of the cross over of two very different cultures.
But Tokugawa is a great setting which I'd love to see

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avenger09 In reply to Acre3333 [2016-11-05 06:54:06 +0000 UTC]

Rikimaru would be the best Mentor.

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Avapithecus In reply to Acre3333 [2016-11-02 10:37:38 +0000 UTC]

Admittedly, I'd never really gotten into Japanese culture as much as I probably should have Even as a kid, I was never really a big fan of ninjas and samurais and all that.  Which is a shame, because it does seem like a rather interesting culture.  Perhaps there's just something I'm missing lol
It would make for an interesting game Though, I've heard Ubisoft is really hesitant about doing this setting.  So, we'll probably have to keep relying on AC Memories for our Japanese Assassin lore for a while.

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