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I've looked for a nicely detailed, affordable, ($15-$30) scientifically accurate raptor type figurine these last few weeks, and they pretty much don't exist. I think Carnegie makes one, and it sucks. Even a lot of the higher end resin models out there are still stuck on "A hurr hurr, Velociraptor was six feet tall and had pronated hands!" For the record: shame on you, Papo. Shame on you.
So I'm doing my part to change that. I managed to find my figurine, but it wasn't easy, dammit, and it sure as hell wasn't mainstream.
I love Jurassic Park, but I recently rewatched it and was very struck by the scene where Grant says about the fossil "No wonder these guys learned how to fly" and everyone laughs at him. Because in my reading, scientists knew the connection between birds and dinosaurs ages before. Like, the ink on Origin of the Species wasn't even dry before Huxley said birds evolved from dinosaurs, and by the 60s that got rediscovered so by the 90s paleontologists were like "Yeah, birds are surviving dinosaurs." Granted, maybe it was the movie trying to spoonfeed updated science to drooling masses, but that brings me to the whole problem this tutorial is trying to address.
I've seen some really great art, 3d and otherwise, of the Jurassic Park raptors, and I can't figure out why, if you're going to put that much time and effort into something, would you not bother doing your research in the first place? I understand if it's fanart. It's fine to love Jurassic Park; I love it, too, despite its naked, naked raptors. But I see people who are like "Behold! Velociraptor mongoliensis!" and I'm like "Uh, dude, this would make any first year paleontologist laugh until he crapped himself." Is it just the idea that instead of being the slightly menacing Hollywood monster, real Velociraptor being a fluffly chicken sized thing is disappointing? I mean, it's not like Deinonychus or Utahraptor didn't exist. Do feathers make them less scary? Golden eagles can break the spine of a wolf and they have feathers.
There's just a big divide, I've noticed quite suddenly, between science versus what people want to see. And I can't tell if it's because it's what people want to see, or it's because what a company thinks they want to see, or if people are ignorant, unwilling to educate themselves, and demand/accept the parameters given to them by corporate-designed pop culture. The persistence of the Jurassic Park raptor is odd to me, because it's just a little older than the science debunking it as inaccurate. And even within the realm of dino enthusiasts, who one would think demand scientific accuracy, the JP raptors, naked and running around with pronated hands, are disappointingly pervasive. If you do a search just for "raptor" on DA alone, more than half the drawings you will see are the naked versions, and even if they have feathers almost all of them still have pronated hands.
I had to update my own version of dinosaurs during my work on Mark of the Conifer, but I found it to be an awe-inspiring, joyful experience, not something that ripped away my nostalgia and destroyed my love for dinosaurs. I guess I'm just baffled as to why other people would be unwilling to do the same.
No one draws dinosaurs dragging their tails and bellies along the ground anymore. When you're drawing raptors like the JP raptors, you're pretty much saying "I LIKE my dinosaurs to look like Valley of the Gwangi!"
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JadedSketch [2015-08-26 23:48:51 +0000 UTC]
I know that part of the reason for 'naked' huge raptors is the horror movie thing. Are there scary birds? Yes. But most people don't immediately go to the golden eagle or the modern-day raptor when they think of feathers making them think of birds.
They instead think of the robin, finch, or sparrow they saw in their backyard the last time they went out. Or the chicken they just ate.
When they see a giant reptillian, however, most people go to things like dragons (though there are mammalian and avian dragons that everyone loves to ignore), crocodiles, exotic venomous snakes, giant constrictors, etc. Most of these that are real (by this, I mean everything but the dragons) tend to be huge, even compared to the frightening birds, and it gives that horror-movie reaction Hollywood directors look for. Not to mention that feathers would detract in giving them a fluffiness that would make some people find them 'cuddly'.
Not that I am saying it makes drawing raptors naked and huge is the right thing by any means, I've come to grow used to the correct look especially in creating alien 'dinosaurs', but I figured I'd say something on the psychology on why those dinos are usually seen.
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NerakaFenice [2015-08-12 06:38:49 +0000 UTC]
First of all, a very informative text -I like the details and the sketches on it.
Also, I admit that I personally prefer to draw the JPIII Raptors because I just like their appearance and the horror-like feeling they have. Because I love the genetically modified version (in JW it is also said that the Dinosaurs are not scientifically correct and are what people WANT to see) and I grew up with it.
Why? Its my personal preference. I know that this Raptors are "wrong" but I don't care because it doesn't hurt anyone that I draw them like this and well ... I doubt that the Raptors care HOW we draw them. Also .. what do you do about the colors? Its all speculation because none will ever know the truth.
Its a design thing and you can't change peoples taste and their imagination. A lot of things in the art-world are scientifically not correct: look at all those undead creatures, dragons with insect-like wings, wolfs with blue fur etc. Also don't forget all those Superheros - also not correct. Do you also disapprove it, when people draw a Dobermann with a cut tail and standing ears just because they like the way he looks better then the original version? Its like you prefer Honey over Sugar - everything in the art-world is a matter of taste and preferences.
If it makes me an idiot in your eyes because I know that I do the wrong thing but have a preference in my designs: then be it so.
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Draconia4 [2015-07-29 18:20:50 +0000 UTC]
sigh, I can't ignore it any longer.
They have feathers.
(yes, I've always known they have feathers, I just. . .I like scales more.)
but really informative, it changed my mind
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Silenced-Dreams [2015-07-22 15:56:40 +0000 UTC]
IDK if I ever mentioned it but I am firmly of the opinion that some form of fluffy fuzz is basal to Dinosauria itself, thanks to things like Kulindadromeus.
Also Pterosauria bearing pycnofibers, which are basically fuzz, and they share similar Archosaur roots.
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aarondirebear In reply to ??? [2015-07-19 16:31:54 +0000 UTC]
There is no proof that raptors had feathers.
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SpinoInWonderland In reply to aarondirebear [2016-03-23 17:07:35 +0000 UTC]
www.nature.com/nature/journal/…
www.nature.com/nature/journal/…
journals.plos.org/plosone/arti…
Listen to your teachers and do your research instead of spouting complete garbage.
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Droemar In reply to aarondirebear [2015-07-19 19:13:19 +0000 UTC]
Okay, now you're just trolling.
Chinese maniraptor fossils discovered 15 years ago show it quite definitively.
Your ignorance is massive and astonishing. Shoo! Away, stupid one, go back to your hole in the ground!
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KreepingSpawn [2015-07-11 01:22:41 +0000 UTC]
"Golden eagles can break the spine of a wolf and they have feathers."
I still really want to see a Raptor Red movie.
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Alkevin [2015-06-29 11:28:48 +0000 UTC]
I love both versions. Even if the JP version is inacurate.
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Phoenix-Fightmaster [2015-06-21 05:54:04 +0000 UTC]
But.... The Valley of Gwangi was great. Gwangi was great. I'd love to draw him.
Are you saying I should draw more JP-style raptors? Cause honestly, I was just getting used to the feathers.
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Gerdkinerf [2015-06-21 05:53:20 +0000 UTC]
...Or it could be that some people simply just so happen to prefer reptilian aesthetics over bird aesthetics. But of course, let's act like condescending dicks towards those who grew up with reptilian dinosaurs. Real fucking mature.
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aarondirebear In reply to Gerdkinerf [2015-07-19 16:33:35 +0000 UTC]
Because feather fans are emphatic sociopaths. If a few bumps on one bone that can't even be positively identified as belonging to a dinosaur (it was found out of context, alone, away from the rest of the skeleton) is enough evidence to convince them that raptors had feathers, I hope they never serve on a jury.
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SpinoInWonderland In reply to aarondirebear [2016-03-23 17:23:22 +0000 UTC]
You are by far the greatest idiot regarding this topic I've ever seen outside of Youtube.
Do you even know what sociopathy means?
www.dictionary.com/browse/soci…
Most people here who accept feathered dinosaurs don't show such behavior.
Can't positively be identified as belonging to a dinosaur? You can't even comprehend the idea of comparative anatomy.
The quill knobs of Velociraptor were found on specimen IGM 100/981, which is a partial skeleton not a single bone.
"(IGM 100/981; material of "Airakoraptor") partial skeleton including parts of skull, mandible, vertebrae, ulna, manus, ilium, and pes (Norell et al., 1992)"
science.sciencemag.org/content…
theropoddatabase.com/Dromaeosa…
The quill knobs of Concavenator were found on an ulna that is clearly associated with the rest of it's skeleton.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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Droemar In reply to aarondirebear [2015-07-20 22:11:05 +0000 UTC]
You ... appear to be talking about a larger theropod bone, either T. rex or similar, that has similarities with a modern day turkey bone's quill knobs.
Other coelurosaurs, "hollow-boned" lizards (which includes tyrannosaurs and maniraptors), discovered in China include such species as Yutyrannus, Confucisornis, Velociraptor, and Microraptor (among others) have all been found in fine-sediments deposits that have feathers. These species also share those quill knobs.
So it's not this impossible leap that dinosaurs showing these quill knobs might not have had feathers, when you have species in the same family showing the same quill knobs WITH CONFIRMED FEATHERS.
How exactly do you think science works? Like magic?
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Droemar In reply to Gerdkinerf [2015-06-21 23:12:40 +0000 UTC]
It's not aesthetics. It's scientific accuracy. And if you think the JP raptors ARE scientifically accurate, then you're being grossly and willfully ignorant of something you profess to be a fan of.
And yeah, I'll be a condescending dick to anyone who insists their ignorance is equal to my scientific knowledge.
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Gerdkinerf In reply to Droemar [2015-06-22 01:33:17 +0000 UTC]
...When in the hell did I EVER state that JP raptors are scientifically accurate? I'm not "willfully ignorant" of jack shit. I know damn well that raptors had feathers, I just happen to prefer the way scaly raptors look. But thank you oh so kindly you for putting words in my mouth. :/
No, my point is that feathernazis treat those who prefer scaly dinosaurs like shit instead of trying to be kind and supportive of them and simply accepting that some people just happen to like reptiles (and their aesthetics) better than birds. It's fucking immature and childish.
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Droemar In reply to Gerdkinerf [2015-06-22 02:23:25 +0000 UTC]
Feathernazis? LOL. Well, you've definitely proven yourself to be the far more mature and less childish of the two of us. I defer to your far superior level of discourse and moral high ground, there.
Kind and supportive of scientifically inaccurate drivel? Because oo likes dem better? You can like them more all you want; it doesn't make you correct on a scientific level. And the scaly, inaccurate JP raptor is already entirely too pervasive for my liking.
It doesn't matter that you like reptiles better than birds when dinosaurs are archosaurs (all birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs were birds.) The pre and post orbital fenestra practically defines the difference between reptiles and birds, so if you want to like reptiles, go like mosasaurs and pterosaurs and dimetrodons. But don't try and drag an entire clade down with you. You reveal your own ignorance by screaming about how much you prefer reptiles when over 100 anatomical similarities between dinosaurs and birds have been on record since the 60s (and before then.)
So, no, I don't have to act like your desire to have cold-blooded, belly dragging lizards is worthy of scientific respect when you try and hide it behind "aesthetics" (read: ignorance.)
Dinosaurs aren't reptiles. They never were reptiles. You've got pictures of Godzilla in your nonexistent gallery. Why don't you go draw him? He's totally imaginary, and that way, you don't have to pretend something that really was real also fit your "aesthetics." The science isn't going to change to fit your aesthetics. Your aesthetics are just going to make you look like an ass.
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aarondirebear In reply to Droemar [2015-07-19 16:34:37 +0000 UTC]
Droemar, thank you for proving my point: you people are emphatic sociopaths who want to ruin dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are reptiles, fuck you, the end.
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Droemar In reply to aarondirebear [2015-07-19 19:14:39 +0000 UTC]
"Ruin" dinosaurs?
Only for the stupid people who think they were reptiles.
I guess Robert Bakker is an emphatic sociopath?
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Gerdkinerf In reply to Droemar [2015-06-22 05:06:40 +0000 UTC]
"Feathernazis? LOL. Well, you've definitely proven yourself to be the far more mature and less childish of the two of us. I defer to your far superior level of discourse and moral high ground, there."
Says the person calling fictional scaly raptors that never even existed and thus have no real life analogue to compare them with naked and stupid and acting like they could never, ever theoretically survive even in the slightest in any way, shape, or form whatsoever. 'Cause, y'know, it'd be absolutely scientifically impossible to have scales AND be active and warm blooded. Nah, that'd just be silly. Predatory animals that are active AND scaly? Pfft, how ridiculous.
"Kind and supportive of scientifically inaccurate drivel? Because oo likes dem better? You can like them more all you want; it doesn't make you correct on a scientific level. And the scaly, inaccurate JP raptor is already entirely too pervasive for my liking."
That's not my point. You shouldn't be a dick to those who just happen to like scaly raptors better. It's immature and childish and it shows you can't really handle the thought of people liking things that you don't. This isn't about whether or not scaly raptors should be in modern, scientifically accurate documentaries and books (they shouldn't), this is about letting people draw what they think looks cool in their spare time and not being an asshole to them. Pretty much EVERYONE knows raptors had feathers, who doesn't at this point? I don't think anyone in this day and age thinks JP raptors = real raptors. That still doesn't change the fact that in spite of this, some of us simply just happen to prefer the way scaly raptors look. Nobody can just magically change what they like because other people don't and it's not our job to cater to you just because you don't like what we draw.
"It doesn't matter that you like reptiles better than birds when dinosaurs are archosaurs (all birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs were birds.) The pre and post orbital fenestra practically defines the difference between reptiles and birds, so if you want to like reptiles, go like mosasaurs and pterosaurs and dimetrodons. But don't try and drag an entire clade down with you. You reveal your own ignorance by screaming about how much you prefer reptiles when over 100 anatomical similarities between dinosaurs and birds have been on record since the 60s (and before then.)"
I'm already very much aware of all of this information. I have been for years now. I'm not "ignorant" of anything.
Dinosaurs aren't reptiles. They never were reptiles. You've got pictures of Godzilla in your nonexistent gallery. Why don't you go draw him? He's totally imaginary, and that way, you don't have to pretend something that really was real also fit your "aesthetics." The science isn't going to change to fit your aesthetics. Your aesthetics are just going to make you look like an ass.
Uh, no shit dinosaurs aren't reptiles. Did I ever once say they were? I'm already quite aware that science isn't going to cater to me and I honestly don't even care in the slightest whether it does or not. I'm referring to people screaming at scientific inaccuracy in things that aren't even intended to be accurate to begin with. I could understand people having a problem with inaccuracy in a documentary or a supposedly up to date science book, but in something that was meant to do nothing more than be cool, fun, and entertaining like, say, a monster movie about talking robot mutant zombie dinosaurs going on a rampage in outer space? Really? What were you expecting to see?
And how would drawing raptors with scales make me look like an "ass"? Really now? Especially when compared with how many people go to drawings of JP raptors and scream in rage about how scientifically inaccurate they are and how reptiles and anyone who likes them and the way they look are stupid and dumb and that birds are pure, precious cinnamon rolls, the next coming of Jesus, and the best thing ever, period? But I'm the "ass" here?
Look, I have no problem with feathered raptors (I honestly like them, they're cute) and the people who like them better than scaly raptors. I NEVER have, like, at all. Everyone has their own personal preferences and that's okay.
I'm also in full support of making sure things that are supposed to be scientifically accurate (IE: science documentaries, science books, etc.) are indeed scientifically accurate. Educating people is a good thing, I'm not denying this within the slightest.
But what I DO have a problem with is treating people who prefer drawing and looking at scaly, old-school dinosaurs for fun like shit. People are inevitably going to like or even possibly prefer things you don't like over the things you do like and screeching at them for liking or even preferring those things is immature and childish as hell and just a really shitty thing to do in general.
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Droemar In reply to Gerdkinerf [2015-06-22 21:12:48 +0000 UTC]
Obviously, this tutorial is for the more scientifically minded artist, who cares in the first place. You don't care in the first place, (you don't DRAW in the first place) and yet you're angry that there's somehow a "wrong" way to draw raptors 20 years after science said "Maniraptors have feathers, not scales." I'm supposed to be respectful of your "belief" that you like raptors with scales more than feathers, otherwise my scientific fact is "feathernazi tyranny." That's like creationists saying paleontology has to "teach the controversy."
Science is real whether you believe in it or not, and this tutorial is one of very, VERY few on DA that actually shows the scientifically accurate way to draw a raptor. You can draw whatever you want (again, you don't appear to be drawing anything at all), but at the end of the day, I will be drawing feathered, scientifically accurate raptors, and you won't (again, if you draw at all.) If I want to draw something for a scientific publication, I can do that. And if I choose to turn my hand to some JP fanart, I can do that. You, on the other hand (again, assuming you can draw at all) will be stuck as a weeping crybaby with scaly reptile raptors with no legitimacy outside of the cheers of the ignorant. (And hey. There are plenty of those out there, so more power to you. The number of incorrectly drawn raptors on DA alone are a testament to that.)
I suspected my tutorial would attract the one idiot who would gnash their teeth and tear their hair over scientific fact trouncing what they want to believe. My raptors are scientifically accurate. Yours are imaginary. And really, that's what pisses you off. No matter how well drawn it might be, how painstakingly well rendered, pronated hands and featherless raptors are outdated, imaginary monsters.
Go out and draw a million of them. What difference does it make to me or science?
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Phoenix-Fightmaster In reply to Droemar [2015-06-27 00:11:50 +0000 UTC]
Your rant literally professes the idea that feathers are innately superior to scales, and that a scaly theropod would be unviable when we already have skin impressions from various raptor-sized dinosaurs with scaly hides.
Sauropods, ceratopsians and hadrosaurs were all once babies, you know. They had to get by with their featherless skins for quite a while before their bodies started being able to retain heat.
Just saying, your fixation on scientific accuracy kinda fails when you're literally treating featherless dinosaurs like an impossibility.
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Droemar In reply to Phoenix-Fightmaster [2015-06-27 04:26:04 +0000 UTC]
Not for maniraptors.
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aarondirebear In reply to Droemar [2015-07-19 16:38:05 +0000 UTC]
Evidence for maniraptor feathers is sketchy at best.
for some reason you people love to obsess over raptors having feathers like your entire world view depends on it. you're a frightened child.
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Droemar In reply to aarondirebear [2015-07-19 19:30:14 +0000 UTC]
A frightened child attacks repeatedly with overtly ignorant statements. I've cited scientific evidence for everything in this tutotial and in the debate. When I'm the cutting edge of scientific discovery and in agreement with leading experts in the field, I had NOTHING to be frightened about, trust me.
If "sketchy" evidence is hundreds of fossils with protofeathers and vaned feathers, then you're an idiot. A bloated, obese fool who thinks his belief ("I WANT dinosaurs to be reptiles!") trumps paleontological discoveries in the last 20 years.
I really don't think you know anything about dinosaurs at all, because even the most basic information goes into their association with birds. You're like ... a dinosaur fanboy who thinks because you watched Jurassic Park a hundred times it makes you an expert.
But sure, why don't I give you the benefit of the doubt? Let's see if you can answer these questions.
If dinosaurs are reptiles, why do they have pre and post orbital fenestra like birds instead of just a post orbital fenestra like lizards?
If dinosaurs are reptiles, why do they share over 100 anatomical similarities with modern day birds?
If dinosaurs are reptiles, why do some species like Archeopteryx and Confucisornis have advanced feathers? Why does Psittacosaurus have quill-like appendages?
If dinosaurs are reptiles, why is their taxonomic classification archosaur, which includes all modern day birds?
If dinosaurs are reptiles, why don't they sprawl on their bellies like lizards?
If dinosaurs are reptiles, are leading scientists like Jack Horner and Robert Bakker wrong?
How many fossils does it take for information to no longer be "sketchy?" Please cite other fossil discoveries that you find definitive and how many fossils were examined.
Go ahead, crybaby. I'll wait.
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Nazrindi In reply to Droemar [2015-07-21 03:50:16 +0000 UTC]
Now, I'm one of the biggest advocates of accurately feathered dromaeosaurs out there, but I will throw this bit of knowledge out there:
Crocodiles are in Reptilia, which contains the archosaurs, Archosauropmorpha, which they are also a part of, as well as the dinosaurs, and birds (and pterosaurs, too). So technically, even birds are reptiles. In fact, even mammals can be considered reptiles since we shared a common ancestor with them. It all depends on where you draw the line in the phylogenetic tree. The most "typical" reptiles of them all, though, lizards and snakes, are in Squamata, which is very, very distinct from Archosauria. Heck, even the scales of snakes and lizards are different from those of crocodiles and birds. The scales of birds and crocodilians are more developmentally similar than the scales of squamates, that too is a fact. The scutes on the feet of birds are not actually reptilian scales, but repressed feathers, genetically speaking! Now what could be more convincing than that? You can see it if you ever go to the fair, the feathered feet of some chickens and pigeons- they're pretty much *exactly* like the leg-wings of Microraptor, considering that the scale gene has been "turned off", allowing the underlying feather gene to express itself.
So, long story short- there is overwhelming evidence that birds are dinosaurs all around us, and I'm glad that you've pointed a lot of this stuff out to people who don't know it! However, birds might be considered reptiles too, in fact phylogenetically speaking everything that's shared a common ancestor with reptiles should be in Reptilia to make it a monophyletic clade. (Which means, in simplest terms, a group that includes only *one* common ancestor and all of its descendants.) Otherwise, we'd need to have Reptilia only mean Squamata, snakes and lizards as well as mosasaurs.
(The position of turtles is debated, but leaning even more towards Archosaurs...quite interesting!) Anyway, I like talking about this stuff.
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Sombraptor In reply to Droemar [2015-07-20 22:25:21 +0000 UTC]
Thank you.
The obvious troll that is aarondirebear aside, your arguments are actually phenomenal. Would you mind if I used these when correcting people?
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Droemar In reply to Sombraptor [2015-07-20 22:31:38 +0000 UTC]
Oh, sure. The more the merrier!
We gotta get that info out there!
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Sombraptor In reply to Droemar [2015-07-21 02:34:49 +0000 UTC]
Yaaaay! I'm so glad to finally talk to someone making sense. Maniraptorans for life!
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Droemar In reply to Gerdkinerf [2015-06-22 17:36:08 +0000 UTC]
So if this tutorial doesn't even apply to you, why are you white knighting for the theoretically weeping people who prefer the scaly raptors?
You can't even in draw in the first place.
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SideQuestPubs In reply to ??? [2015-06-13 14:24:11 +0000 UTC]
Hmmm.... I can agree with most of what you say, and I have no problem taking your word for it on how long scientists were really sure about the connection between dinosaurs and birds (I have no real knowledge of dinosaurs myself, only took an interest in raptors when I did because of Jurassic Park).
But this statement:
"I've seen some really great art, 3d and otherwise, of the Jurassic Park raptors, and I can't figure out why, if you're going to put that much time and effort into something, would you not bother doing your research in the first place? I understand if it's fanart. It's fine to love Jurassic Park; I love it, too, despite its naked, naked raptors."
To me, if you're doing Jurassic Park fanart (and making it clear that you intend it as such), then making sure to draw them the way they are in the movies is doing the research.... it's just researching how the fandom's source material--that is, the movies--portrays those theme park monsters instead of research into real dinosaurs.
It's if you're not doing fanart that JP's unrealistic representation becomes "not doing the research."
Just my two cents. And if/when I ever get around to attempting to draw dinos, I'd like to practice both versions--JP fanart and realistic feathered raptors. Maybe even do a side-by-side comparison of the two, but more likely as a way to compare my skill (or the lack thereof) in the two styles than anything else.
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Droemar In reply to SideQuestPubs [2015-06-13 15:59:25 +0000 UTC]
My problem is when I see stuff labeled "Velociraptor" and it's the JP raptors. That's not a Velociraptor, but it's labeled as such. If it's labeled "JP Velociraptor", that's fine, but too many people think the raptors in JP are the same thing. Too many people don't bother to distinguish.
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SideQuestPubs In reply to Droemar [2015-06-13 16:38:26 +0000 UTC]
Fair enough.
"Too many people don't bother to distinguish."
That would go with my "making it clear you intend it as such" bit, probably.
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ILikeCommas In reply to ??? [2015-06-11 19:18:23 +0000 UTC]
Excellent rant! Very informative, and amusing enough to make a good read.
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ElementalSpirits [2015-06-09 10:39:59 +0000 UTC]
I think it's mostly because big corporate people say we want to see monster raptors and everyone buying monster raptors because that's all that's sold (and then that feeding into corporate using this as proof that this is what we want.)... and then I guess it's difficult for people who maybe just want to draw something, but don't have a huge amount of knowledge, to get confused and draw it wrong because they don't know where to look.
Personally I was disappointed they didn't update the raptors. I know they have the issue with continuity between the films, but since they're creted in labs they could just basically say they've improved their system or got more complete DNA etc. and then some brief mention that they're actually Utahraptor (or something like that) but continue to abbreviate it to raptor and all would be good. Not that difficult really.
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Furrama In reply to ??? [2015-06-08 19:32:30 +0000 UTC]
I'm really hoping that the bald dinos are a plot point in JP. I think they were in the books? Like, they looked the way they did because that's what people wanted to see. They thought people would pay more to see monsters, not animals, so that's what they made. (And the further away from the park you get in the movies, the longer the dinosaurs are left to themselves, the more and more feathers they get, and even their eyes look more bird-like.)
Since they're going more into a "making a genetic hybrid" plot I'm hoping they bring that idea back to the front, (we've done it already in minor ways, why not go further). I've seen some toys of the new hodgepodge dino, and she seems to have feathers on her arms, so that's pretty neat.
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Loulin In reply to ??? [2015-06-08 17:46:26 +0000 UTC]
I'm nor an archeologist or a biologist (just an interested geek) but my goodness your're bang on the dot!
I loved the first JP movie (the two follow-ups not quite as much) but you'd think after all these years Hollywood would have learned a thing or two since then. I still look forward to see "jurassic world" though, faulty raptors and all.
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Droemar In reply to Loulin [2015-06-13 16:00:24 +0000 UTC]
Please tell me the archeologist thing was a joke, please tell me the archeologist thing was a joke ...
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Loulin In reply to Droemar [2015-06-14 07:09:03 +0000 UTC]
I do apologise if I've upset you.
I have no intention to joke with or mock anyone, but like I said I'm just an interested geek.
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Droemar In reply to Loulin [2015-06-14 15:51:31 +0000 UTC]
It's paleontology. Archeology is digging up ancient cultures and human remains.
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Loulin In reply to Droemar [2015-06-14 16:43:00 +0000 UTC]
Ah... The problem was the choice of words. I see. Well... My mistake of course.
Thank you.
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Jess-Foxx-Quinn In reply to ??? [2015-06-08 15:57:39 +0000 UTC]
The problem being that people are putting feathers on ever dinosaur in exsistance, that have no evidence that they had feathers (Certopsians, sauropods, duck-bills, nodosaurs and such) There really are not that many dinosaurs that had feathers that we know of. I blame the furry lovers.
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Sekley In reply to Jess-Foxx-Quinn [2015-11-16 17:26:14 +0000 UTC]
Kulindadromeus was a basal ornithischian covered in proto feathers and psittacosaurus has been found with quills. I wouldn't be surprised if all dinosaurs had feathers even if it was just peach fuzz.
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Heuring In reply to ??? [2015-06-08 15:11:25 +0000 UTC]
I remember in JP 3 they did try out some velociraptors with feathers. Course most of the fans screamed that it wasn't Jurassic park. So the next movie wont have them for that reason I'm sure. It's really depressing when they try to give them feathers and make them accurate that people dont want scientific looks but prefer the Hollywood ones.
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TintedGreen In reply to ??? [2015-06-08 15:05:18 +0000 UTC]
THANK YOU FOR THIS.
I did take a class on dinos in college for a science credit and it was wonderful and amazing experience to learn and research feathered dinos. I have correctly named my chicken coop, Jurassic Flock. Which currently houses 20 mini raptors and each one HAS A SCARY PRE-HISTORIC SCREAM.
But Thank you so much for putting many of my arguments against others into visual reference.
And I would GLADLY co-op with you if you wanted to make infographic posters? Lol.
Good luck on finding your figurine. ;;
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Fly-Sky-High [2015-06-08 13:20:50 +0000 UTC]
I had to idea to be honest. I have heard that feathers were a thing long ago but didn't think about it too much then. It's always fun to learn things like this (even if they aren't a news any more). Thanks!
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