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Droemar β Raptor Tutorial
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Meh, I'm just not a polisher. That's my problem. It's why The Pact's laborious inking and washing process is driving me crazy. It hasn't diminished my enthusiasm for dinosaurs, though!I did this to resist taking a nap after me ma and I did some serious spring cleaning around my house. This is as much for my reference as it is everyone else's; I break half these rules most of the time. I mean, I grew up drawing raptors like Talon from Primal Rage and the Jurassic Park raptors, who had some serious anatomical mistakes. When I was little, I drew raptors with just the feathers on their heads, like Talon (boy, was I a fan of Talon), so a lot of the feather stuff has been quite a hurdle to overcome.
I really wish I could've had a single, beautiful, unbroken line of comic pages, but I couldn't take the pressure. My artistic aesthetic needed to breathe free! Expect about a page a week from now on.
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Can you make a tutorial about raptors feet? :3
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Good points made, especially on the movement.
((Only nit-pick is that raptors had fleshy lips covering their teeth, like lizards, as their teeth could not tolerate being uncovered))
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Very cool!
I learned one important thing from this guide!
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I really have trouble drawing the pelvic bone... its always so awkwardly done T.T great and helpful tutorial!
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Don't need to do it. It's covered in fuzz
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This is going to help a lots! Thanks for share it!
I REALLY want to draw a great raptor! TToTT
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Omg ty i needed this soo much, i couldnt het the anatomy right x3
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Thank yooou
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very interesting
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this wil help me ALOT! I'm new to drawing raptors, and done a few pics. this is going to be helpful next time, thank you
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... like any average bird nowadays?
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m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGOQ1Igyβ¦
Birds do not move their femurs because they have a knee driven locomotion.
Now if you put a fake tail on them (in this case in a chicken) you will see that they strech their legs "like that".
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Tell you what. Since you're so much better versed in raptor anatomy, why don't you do this far superior raptor tutorial, that shows how they "don't move their femurs", and get a million pageviews with it?
It'd be a much better use of your time than bitching me out from am empty gallery full of absolutely no art.
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Tell you what, you are horrible at hidding the fact that you just realized that you were wrong.
I do not do it because I am not very good at drawing.
And now that I already refuted you, you got sad.
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You didn't refute anything. You walked up with an Internet fact and said "You're wrong." So unintelligibly I still don't even know what point you were trying to make, but I don't care, either. Experts don't have to listen to whiny morons.
The 90 degree rules still stands. It's how I still draw my raptors.
DRAW.
The thing you can't do.
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And now the pseudo-expert uses the fallacy of the personal attack.
I CAN DRAW. I JUST DO NOT WANT TO.
And you used bird movement as argument, and I showed how wrong was this information.
And yes: I refuted it. If you put a fake tail on a chicken, for example, they will move their femurs. Raptors are very similar to a chicken with a fake tail in the overhaul "skeleton", so they should have similar movements.
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No. Just ... no. "Should have similar movements"? Really? Wow.
I am truly refuted by your scientific expertise.
I don't even think you understand what the 90 degree rule even is. But hey! Look everyone! This person who can totally draw but chooses not to knows better than I do about raptors! You'd better listen to him!
Quick, go and find everything you need to know from him! Shoo, shoo, away from this fallacious tutorial, go where the true knowledge is!
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Calm downΒ Droemar, don't bite the bait. He's-
A. A Troll
B. A person who doesn't know what either an ostrich or a dislocated femur is
C. Someone who can't science (or draw).
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I have never heard of this rule before, but by simpling LOOKING at your tutorial I got the message.
Now the facts: if raptors could not stretch their legs like that, they would not be able to run fast, since their tarsometatarsus was very small.
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Sigh. Don't try to outscience me when it comes to dinosaurs; you WILL lose. The only group of dinosaurs that HAD a tarsometatarsus were Heterodontosaurids, fox-sized omnivores, and they weren't even related to modern day birds via Droemaesauridae, Coelerosauria, and Maniraptorids; the tarsometatarsus was a product of parallel evolution. The shinbone and tarsals of a raptor were much longer because the wing-like mechanism of their forelimbs were in their primitive stages, and they were more advanced runners who ran on their toes. The feet and legs of raptors were entirely different from modern day bird. For God's sake, have you even looked at a modern bird's leg in comparison to a raptor?
Let's look at a pigeon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarsometβ¦
And let's look at a raptor: i.livescience.com/images/i/000β¦
Which one has the more flexible hip? A pigeon! Which one's hip is more rigid? The raptor! Who would dislocate a femur if it stretches further back than 90 degrees? The raptor! Which drawing actually SHOWS the femur at 90 DEGREES!? THE RAPTOR! Behold! Look at it's maximum stride in the drawing! And lo, the femur is 90 degrees and no further! Who walks on their toes? The raptor!
You wanna see more?
i.livescience.com/images/i/000β¦Β Oh! Oh! Look! The femur furthest away from the viewer:Β 90 DEGREES!
img03.deviantart.net/3512/i/20β¦Β Ooop! Even at a run: 90 DEGREES!
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipediaβ¦Β GASP! A properly posed skeleton! FEMUR IS AT 90 DEGREES!
nhmu.utah.edu/sites/default/fiβ¦Β How about with some flesh on it? Wow! It's almost like I know what I'm talking about.
But wait!
Look what happens when someone compares a Velociraptor to a chicken!
media.web.britannica.com/eb-meβ¦Β Can it be? Can it really-? Oh my GOD. It looks like ... THEY DRAW THEM WRONG! WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT!?
I mean, professional paleo artists who talk with scientists, THEY can't possible know what they're talking about, can they? And when they say that the hip of Droemaesauridae would have only allowed the femur to stretch at 90 degrees when the animal was in full flight, what the hell do they know? Clearly some random idiot on the Internet with piecemeal knowledge knows better!
So you're trying to invoke an anatomical thing that raptors didn't have, using the anatomy of a modern bird millions and millions of years older, to try and say that you know exactly how raptors ran.
Not only is your science total bullshit, you clearly haven't even studied raptors at all because you can't draw . Tell me again why you, someone who can't draw and has never done an anatomical study drawing as a result, knows better than me?
Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Did you compare a raptor with a pigeon? Wow, I wonder if you know, but pigeons can fly, unlike raptors. If you will compare a bird to a raptor, try to pick a flightless one.
Did you notice that one of the images you showed me the femur is not at 90 degrees and that in the other images the raptors could be trotting and not running.
Ah they are paleo artists? And what? Does the simple fact that they are authorities makes them always right?
I searched about this rule and I found out it probably only worked if the animal was with it's body standing at 20 degrees with the ground, what would give raptors a 110 degrees with their legs.
So you see that even authorities sometimes say different things.
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You're not an authority. You also can't link to this information that proves you know so much better than me.
By all means, go make a better tutorial than this. I don't think you can.
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torosaurus.forumfree.it/?t=523β¦
Only because I am not an authority does not mean that I can not discuss with an actual autority.
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Dude you linked to a tutorial and it shows raptors can't move the leg back farther than 90 degrees. Hell all dinosaurs can't with the exception of modern birds. You just contradicted yourself.
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Yeah, it pretty much does. You don't know anything and you just want to complain about things like a little bitch.
Fuck off.
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Thanks for this awesome tutorial. This will surely help me with my upcoming series.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is so helpful! I wish I had found it earlier!Β
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One thing you unfortunately dont point out is how the wingfeathers connect to the scond finger
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Very nice and I like how you explained everything
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Thanks for the very very veeery helpfull tutorial!!!
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I would like to understand the physical structure of this animal, so I can try to draw it correctly in my future attempts.
Why is the back leg limited? I see a lot of tutorials where it cannot go backward past 90 degrees. Is there some kind of muscle limitation there that won't let it extend further?
How far can the wrist twist? I saw you said "not very much" but how much is that?
I also noticed that usually the smaller the raptor the more feathery it gets. I'm drawing Utahraptor, and I'm not sure about the larger species.
Are there any good places to look specifically for this or more information?
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You'd need to do reading on raptors in scientific articles for the specifics. The 90 degree rule is because the animal's hip would dislocate if the femur reached past that angle.
The wrist has a moon-shaped carpal in it (the lumen) that limits the rotating ability of the wrist. It is the mechanism that eventually evolved into a wing. Birds don't rotate the edge of their outspread ring; their rotation is in the shoulder, and raptors operated under similar rules.
Smaller raptors eventually evolved into birds, because their feather evolution and small size lended itself to flight and wing-assisted incline running.
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Ah, all right! Great, thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I'll try to look for credible information on the net for further insight. :}
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Actually it needs more
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Lovely tutorial! What species is depicted here?
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None. Some parts are inaccurate in this 1 as well
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Nice tutorial, and very informative! (^_^)b
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thanks dude.. its very useful for my study..
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Nice, but until someone can show me a real live raptor that is fully feathered, I will still believe they only had the few (like Talon)
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