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Well, look who's back! This flashback takes place before Snively's incarceration in SU #40, so he's still very much a part of the story. This page also shows in more explicit detail what I thought might be involved with Eggman's hatchet job on Mecha Sally. 
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When Sally finally gets deroboticized, she's going to be a whimpering, catatonic mess.
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If this were written by Ian Flynn, she'd bounce back to her former, plucky self within ten minutes like in Sonic #257. 
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But 257 was post-reboot, and those events, traumatic as they were, *hadn't happened to that version of Sally*. Also, wasn't it implied that those gained-via-Nicole-memories would fade?
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The memories faded and faded fast, which in my opinion is the biggest mistake that could have happened in the post-SGW world. Even if the original timeline couldn't continue, Ian Flynn could have at least given it a better sendoff with some sort of tribute to the Freedom Fighters' past adventures, so that the struggles they went through to make it this far wouldn't be forgotten. Instead, editorial ordered Flynn to include the memory transfer, which he only paid lip service to and then dismissed it almost immediately. Honestly, I've never seen a writer who has such contempt for what makes this series special, and his writing in IDW Sonic isn't much better. This is why I wrote them asking that Flynn be barred from ever writing another Sonic issue again.
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I imagine Sally would have occasional screaming fits. Sonic would be driven to tears and vow revenge on Eggman, while Tails would try valiantly to keep him sane.
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Man... So even if the gang derobotizes her, most of her parts will still be robotic? Since her original limbs were trashed and stuff, oh geez. I just hope Eggman isn't planning on swapping out her internal wiring too, or things might get ugly in the future.
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Or the ending could go the Black Mirror route. Have Rotor download her consciousness into NICOLE, where Sally and NICOLE can be holograms for eternity. That way Sonic now carries NICOLE to represent his love for Sally so she'll "always keep up with him." Plus Sally finally sharing cyberspace with her long time friend is a nice parallel to Heaven and its a clever bookend to when NICOLE wanted to know what it was like to be real, now Sally will know what its like to be digital. Its the equivalent of soul leaving the body to be in paradise.
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That sounds like an interesting idea to save Sally. 
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Its a reference to the episode San Junipero Black Mirror in general is basically an anthology series that showcases the dangers of technology and how it can be abused...or Twilight Zone involving advanced tech. San Junipero is the only episode of 4 seasons that has somewhat of a happy ending. What I described for Sally is a very similar plot to what occurs in that episode. Its a beautiful conclusion to a horrific tragedy. Its on Netflix.
Edit: Link to the actual show www.netflix.com/title/70264888 Season 3 Episode 4
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From what were witnessing, logic dictates that she'll be part robotic. No question about it. Unless theres some Deus Ex Machina like Chaos Emeralds, Time Travel, or Sword of Acorns, the damage is done. As much as I love this character, theres no going back. That seems like a poetic way to conclude Archie since she gets to experience what its like to be Bunnie and having previous sympathy for Robians. It comes full circle from her starting her life in tragedy and ending it in tragedy. Life sucks but what are you gonna right? Survive!
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Well, we know that Eggman also installed a cannon inside Sally's skull. Do you think that might brain her damage?
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How exactly is she going to recover from that? I mean, it’s clear that she’s in pain from losing her limbs, but by that logic, putting a canon in her head would KILL her.
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Perhaps I mispoke. Maybe the cannon is only installed within Mecha Sally's hair. You can see that her hair changes slightly after she was weaponized with two points for the fringe and four for the back. I'm sure there's ample space for a concealed weapon within Sally's coiffure.
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Now that you’ve mentioned it, her hair is quite floofy, lol.
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At least Sally isn’t seeing the new Sonic movie posters.
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I think she's already seen something far worse than that.
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I have a feeling Sally's figuratively and literally hurting inside.
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I don't think Eggman got Cream's letter about being gentle with Sally.
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Tearing someone apart while playin an opera . . . This is like Aku grade villainy.
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Here's the translation:
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Sola, perduta, abbandonata...:
Lonely, lost, abandoned...
Strazio crudel...:
Cruel torment...
Ah! Sola, abbandonata.:
Oh! Alone, abandoned.
Di sangue s'è macchiato.:
With blood he is stained.
No! Non voglio morir...:
No! I do not want to die...
Amore, aita!:
Love, help me!
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Certainly, you chose the correct song for this scene.
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You have no idea how hard it was to find an appropriate song for this page. I searched through the lyrics of over a hundred arias. The problem is that 80% of them are about love and another 15% are about God. Only a very small percentage are on a different theme, and it was there that I chanced upon an aria with lyrics poignant enough for this scene.
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And the correct part for each pannel too
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Welp one thing for sure if sonic seen that he would deafanatly gone berserk (or should I say dark 
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Oooog, this is something Sally is never going to be able to forget...
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Going dark are you? .___. That's like torture. You're so evil Eggman. Pure evil. Can't imagine how Sally's subconscious is feeling right now.
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I guess you can say, shes literally dead inside.
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Ghost in the Shell: Furry Version
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I remember seeing someone back in the day make some comment somewhere saying: *When Sally got modified, and had a gun surgically implanted in her head it was implied that she was fully conscious and felt pain for the whole procedure. Ian Flynn was the one who did that and that's not cool, Mr. Flynn.* I think the comment said that that was way too much for the comic or something somewhere in there. People replied to him/her saying that that may not have been the case.
I didn't think this upgrade thing would ever be touched upon. Wherever that fan is today, I'm sure today if he/she saw this they'd be disappointed in you. You already outclassed Mr. Flynn!
So unless there's some plot device that can restore limbs organically; Sal's just gonna be a head in a jar after this.
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I would honestly doubt that Ian would include something that gruesome, sot speak. Even though Ian wrote a lot of dark plot points in the past.
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"In the past" being the operative term here (and even then he didn't take as many risks as Ken Penders). Nowadays Flynn's writing is so tame, banal and utterly devoid of imagination that the stories are completely toothless. I abandoned IDW Sonic after just four issues.
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Do you think this is "way too much for the comic" now?
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If this were the official comic, then yeah. Given how it's your own thing it's fine if you want to give it darker themes, although...
The gore aspect is a bit toned down considering it's robot gore. I like robot gore... in; action scenes. However, just because we see Batman face serial killers doesn't mean we need to see the serial killer serial killing. "Dark" is not a aspect that is effective if it's needlessly shown for the medium.
Overall, I'd have to see how this whole thing plays out to say whether or not I "like" it. I get it; the point is to show that Archie Eggman is sadistic and a nonredeemable megalomaniac. He's akin to the Joker in his twisted humor, but the point of the Joker is to show how he clashes with the protagonist, and I have no desire to see Joker without a foil to him. So for me: I'd have to say that this scene would only work if there's going to be a climax where it's brought out and contrasts with Sonic or another character's stance. Time will tell then, I suppose.
(Although in retrospect, the cover to this issue is severely misleading to the content.XD)
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Ha ha! It's funny you should mention the cover. I know it seems misleading given what we've seen so far, but it's actually relevant to a later part of the issue, just like the previous cover was related to the final scene in issue two. Just stick around for more.
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"Sal's just gonna be a head in a jar after this." Like that robot echidna head (forgot his name)
I thought about that as well. But my assumption (and to add emotional weight) is that when she does get roboticized, she'll be somewhat legionized. Meaning those replacement limbs will remain robotic. So it would be an interesting parallel to experience on what its like to be Bunnie. But, Im not writing this thing so who knows where this is going
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Heh! Good comparison. Do you think Sally and Dimitri will be kindred spirits after this shared experience? Maybe that can be the comic's new OTP. 
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Right Dimitri! Couldnt remember his name for some reason
I feel this resolution has multiple outcomes and Im honestly not sure what you have planned, but considering the detail and graphic nature of Sally's reconstruction, Im honestly leaning more towards the Black Mirror route cause sadly, unless magic is involved, her fate is sealed.
But to reiterate my Black Mirror idea:
"Have Rotor download her consciousness into NICOLE, where Sally and NICOLE can be holograms for eternity. That way Sonic now carries NICOLE to represent his love for Sally so she'll "always keep up with him." Plus Sally finally sharing cyberspace with her long time friend is a nice parallel to Heaven and its a clever bookend to when NICOLE wanted to know what it was like to be real, now Sally will know what its like to be digital. Its the equivalent of soul leaving the body to be in paradise.
The premise is a reference to the episode San Junipero Black Mirror in general is basically an anthology series that showcases the dangers of technology and how it can be abused...or Twilight Zone involving advanced tech. San Junipero is the only episode of 4 seasons that has somewhat of a happy ending. What I described for Sally is a very similar plot to what occurs in that episode. Its a beautiful conclusion to a horrific tragedy. Its on Netflix.
Link to the actual show www.netflix.com/title/70264888 Season 3 Episode 4"
Btw, this page alone convinced me to re-read your entire saga up to this point. It makes me yearn for this type of character development, emotion and depth again like SatAM but even more mature. This Arc alone demands to be the Sonic movie or even an HBO mini-series...or to a less extent fan animated. Youre artwork and storytelling reminds me why I love Sonic in the first place, cause if Im constantly salivating for the next page, youre doing something right. I remember your early work on the Sea3on comic and how immersive the emotion was with Bunnie and Rotor's solo stories. Sega and Archie (mostly Ian) squandered so much potential for this franchise cause it CAN be epic and engaging. Its why I mainly seek out fan projects like this. And like Sonic Mania, its the fans that are saving Sega's asses with quality, substance, and respect to their audience. IDW has been generic trash! Its beyond me how its getting so much praise with such little effort incorporated. Its so bland and lazy, it would be an insult to even include the Freedom Fighters. It just seems like the Archie reboot was setting the stage IDW cause its even worse! 10 issues in, and Sonic acts like a flawless cardboard cutout. Plus with Sonic Team disbanding after the failure that was Sonic Forces, it leaves zero hope for the franchise. Theres no direction and the people in charge are too inept to know what fans want.
Anyway, I got off tangents. However you decide to end the Mecha Sally arc is sure to be heavy hitting. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents from a narrative stance. Cant wait to see more
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Eggman is a man of taste, sir!
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OMG! 0_0 This is when I really want to kill Eggman! Just kill him somebody!
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Yeesh.
Y'know, I think this was something that probably didn't need to be actually shown. Like we kinda always knew that it must've happened like this, but having it outright shown, along with the extra confirmation that Sally can feel it has an impact on future events.
Ian's take on Eggman was always hard to like. He switched between the modern SEGA Eggman and some more sadistic version of SatAM Robotnik a lot, and both of those elements worked against each other and resulted in a confused mess. He was too comical to be menacing, but the things he did to everyone else crossed so many lines that it made it hard to enjoy his less-vile antics.
I feel like this is something he can't come back from. While the horror of Sally's vivisection was always an implied thing, as long as it wasn't confirmed it could be played off with a "Well maybe it didn't happen like that", but now that it is confirmed, I'm going to find it hard to believe if the other heroes don't want him outright dead when they find out. And while he absolutely deserves that, I speak from personal experience that fans can get a little riled up if you bump off Eggman.
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So you believe Eggman's fate is sealed now. Do you think Sally's fate is sealed after this operation? What do you think she'll be like after this?
As for Eggman's portrayal, my biggest inspiration is Professor Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective. There's a comical side of him that just relishes in being evil, but he can also have a more vicious streak like at the climax of the film. I think it balances the character well enough to create a mischievous Joker-esque villain that suits Eggman quite well.
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I'm uncertain as to Eggman's fate, being not all that familiar with your approach to stories like this. What I do know is that once these events become known to the protagonists, it's going to be really hard to justify anything less than a complete shift in the dynamic between the two.
Archie Sonic was always unnaturally forgiving of Eggman's various atrocities, despite him having actively wiped out the entire population of his own Mobius before. I've griped in the past that Sonic will be more of a jerk to the actually sympathetic villains than he is to Eggman. But once this sort of thing becomes known, I think it would reflect poorly on Sonic if there wasn't some level of retaliation on his part. It's a permanent reminder that they're not dealing with a goofy cartoon villain as much as a genocidal, psychopathic manchild.
This was already a problem with the Mecha Sally arc as a whole. A line was crossed when he took a blowtorch to Sally, and there's not really any going back from that. Sure, they can have him sing E.G.G.M.A.N., but after the modifications, it's impossible to not remember that this is the same guy that vivisected a significantly more likeable character than himself while she was conscious. At that point, he's not funny anymore. His antics stop being comical and start being annoying, because why the fuck is the writer trying to frame this monster as comedic and lovable?
From that point on, the only thing I wanted out of Eggman was for his empire to crumble, his allies to betray him, and for him to get killed off, and knowing that such a thing was never going to happen soured me on the comic as a whole.
Creating a Joker-esque villain is all well and good, and I do like the Joker (Well, for the most part), but the inherent problem with Joker-esque villains is that, ultimately, Jason Todd kinda has the right idea regarding the Joker, and as his various actions keep escalating, it becomes more and more improbable that someone hasn't just shot him.
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I think a fitting punishment for Eggman would be to suffer the fate of roboticization or even legionization. The latter sounds more horrific though...which I prefer
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Well, if a human is roboticized, they become unable to move at all.
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Roboticized Robotnik. Now thats poetic justice. I guess hes immobile, then Mobians can use him as a statue infront of Castle Acorn to haul crap at everyday. If Eggman is aware of his surroundings, then its his eternal punishment for his malicious tyranny.
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It sounds like you have a lust for revenge pent up inside you. Or is it karma or justice? What would you call it? 
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I had to sit through two years of Eggman bumbling through endless free wins because Ian didn't give Sonic and co. two braincells to rub together, shoving the more interesting Naugus plot to the sidelines, eclipsing the rest of the villains almost entirely, adding yet another Evil Sally with extremely weak story presence (Anti-Sally/Alicia and post-172 Fiona being the previous two), using Metal Sonic like cannon fodder, with no final payoff, followed by him being responsible to screwing up the timeline because he decided to body-check Super Sonic (Who apparently had his invincibility turned off), and him getting a pretty sweet deal out of the new universe to boot. Catharsis is long overdue, and writing it myself just isn't the same (Even if I have already drafted his exit scene before I'm even close to that arc).
In a way, hearing that us baying for Eggman's blood is the intended reaction makes this a little better. At least there's no illusions that the character is meant to be likeable, and if you want us to hate Eggman ahead of something that happens later, you're doing a darn good job of it. Hopefully there will be some long-awaited payoff in future!
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