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So, last weekend I got a copy of 'Engines of War', the new Doctor Who novel by George Mann, which details an adventure for the 'War Doctor' as played by John Hurt in the run up to the last day of the Last Great Time War (in deference to various other spin-off novels, I feel I should add that other great time wars are available).It was an enjoyable read although I have to admit I found the overall result rather lacking. It felt that a lot more could have been done with some of the ideas and that it didn't really capitalise on being a *time* war. But that's just my opinion and I'm not going to do a detailed review here.
One thing that did capture my attention however was the idea that the previously mentioned 'Skaro Degradations' were alternate versions of what the Daleks might have been dragged from their respective time lines for use as cannon fodder by the 'prime' Daleks. As I've got a whole folder devoted to alternate Daleks, this is something I can properly get behind. That said . . . only one type of Degradation really sparked my imagination - a three legged, egg-shaped Spider Dalek. Three days hard modelling and, well, the result speaks for itself. I've never been entirely sold on the idea of Spider Daleks - it's always seemed a rush for a cool image that doesn't account for the basic conception of Daleks as *tanks* that will just roll right over anything in their way. However, as a distorted alternate version of the Daleks, I can kind of see it working.
Another type of Dalek mentioned that isn't a Degradation is the 'Temporal Weapons Dalek', which is effectively a SWD with a demat gun instead of a normal socking great cannon. Rather than simply vaporising you, this gun will erase your entire timeline from history, making it so you never existed and leaving only the space where you once were. Nice. The cover of the book just shows a SWD cannon photoshopped on to a Time War pepperpot, but I smoothed the lines out a bit and modelled the cannon more on the Gallifreyan demat gun shown in 'The Invasion of Time'. I'm not yet entirely sold on the result. I think I need to break up the panels on the cannon base a bit more and maybe make the barrel more fussy.
The final new type of Dalek makes up a little cult called the Eternity Circle, whose purview is designing temporal weapons. They built the TWD and they're basically Not Very Nice even for Daleks. And by one of those moments of dumb coincidence that are a gift to the fan artist, they have a blue and silver colour scheme not a million miles off the one I used for my Time War Dalek Time Controller. One swift recolour later and here we are.
Oh, and filling in as an extra Degradation is a recoloured and slightly tweaked Ron Turner Dalek doing its level best to look serious and intimidating.
All of them are likely to go through tweaks before I upload the Orthos, mainly because doing this has made me realise how outdated my Time War model has gotten, especially the dome. Also, I think the EC Dalek and the TWD's badges are scaled too large. Will have to fix that too.
The Daleks belong to the Terry Nation Estate, Doctor Who to the BBC and this particular brand of spider Dalek and the Temporal Weapons Dalek were thought up by George Mann.
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Comments: 67
LegoWormNoah101 [2019-10-29 02:51:40 +0000 UTC]
can i ask your thoughts on the Diamond dalek? mentioned among the degradations or the man-made daleks from blood of the daleks?
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Librarian-bot In reply to LegoWormNoah101 [2019-10-29 18:32:31 +0000 UTC]
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cman1o1dalek [2016-08-20 17:00:25 +0000 UTC]
one day I'm going to do a fanfic called guns of doom Β
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toainsully In reply to cman1o1dalek [2019-01-17 01:09:28 +0000 UTC]
Can't wait to see it
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OmegaRees [2015-12-23 22:32:22 +0000 UTC]
Can I use this photo in some fan art I'm doing?
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Librarian-bot In reply to OmegaRees [2015-12-26 13:14:28 +0000 UTC]
Of course, as long as you provide appropriate credit for the original image!
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NO-SoupForYou [2015-08-29 21:38:36 +0000 UTC]
What about those Daleks upgraded to provide heavy air support? The ones swooping around Arcadia so much in The Day of the Doctor?Β You working on those?
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Librarian-bot In reply to NO-SoupForYou [2015-09-06 21:38:47 +0000 UTC]
I'd like to, or something inspired by those gunboat/hoverbout/things, yes. Nothing in the works at the moment but a distinct possibility given what I am working on.
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Minecraftsiblings2 [2015-04-30 02:52:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't know if this daleks where in the 50th but you know what I mean
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Laharl234 [2015-03-15 03:38:49 +0000 UTC]
Don't like the spider one. It doesn't look... parallel enough to me. Neither does the blue and white one. The Skaro Degradations are more defined by the fact that the mutant is different and the casing is designed to accommodate. That spider one just looks like a Spider Dalek.
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Roytrommely261 In reply to Laharl234 [2019-04-15 15:00:30 +0000 UTC]
Well, the spider I canβt help you with, but the blue and white one in the book is just one of a set of important daleks (the eternity circle).
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Librarian-bot In reply to puma7372 [2014-10-25 21:52:53 +0000 UTC]
I'm not planning to at the moment. I'm working on another project that is consuming all my modelling time anyway, but aside from that, the 'glider' description just sounded to me like the New Series Dalek Emperor with something different in the jar. I might do it one day but it's a very low priority for me.
Sorry about that.
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BluestreakFUS [2014-10-10 11:09:32 +0000 UTC]
I was looking for concept art of the daleks to use as a modelling reference, then I stumbled over this; great models!
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Mal170582 [2014-09-09 12:37:21 +0000 UTC]
I must read "Engines of War," if its one you can recommend?
What did you think of "Into the Dalek"? Was it one you accepted in terms of cannonocity? I admit I was very dubious reading that synopsis before it aired and I thought it was a false report. Nope. Accurate. I found it all rather unlikely, that miniaturized people could move around inside a Dalek... What did you think of it execution-wise and everything?Β
In the plus column, the extermination effects are vastly improved... And good to see some bulkhead doors get blasted aside; something we haven't seen since "Resurrection of the Daleks."
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Librarian-bot In reply to Mal170582 [2014-09-14 20:45:02 +0000 UTC]
Hi! Usual apologies for replying belatedly!
Engines of War, as I've said in a couple of other comments, is a reasonably good read but doesn't do anything nearly as interesting with the concepts it plays with as I'd have liked. Basically, it didn't really have any surprises in it, at least for me. It's a shame because with a bit of reworking it could be have been an extremely interesting story that really showcased how terrifying the Time War was.
Into the Dalek....I found interesting. Again, I think they could have done more with the concept but it was definitely entertaining. Lots of exciting Dalek fighting which was fun to see as well. The whole miniaturisation thing didn't put me off in the slightest though. It's an arresting bit of imagery and even if it doesn't hold up to great expanded universe scrutiny, we've never seen much of the Daleks' internal workings on screen so.....why not? The antibodies made a reasonable amount of sense given that stuff would likely always get caught in the workings and I like the idea that the eye lens is in some way semi-permeable. It would make sense if the lens were malleable enough to resist glancing damage and repair itself.
Really liked the look of the inside of the Dalek saucer, and the graphic for the targeting display. May have to duplicate both.
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SteveAndrew [2014-08-29 13:35:53 +0000 UTC]
These look incredible! I want to read that book now...
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TheKeyWhovian [2014-08-29 09:08:58 +0000 UTC]
These are amazing! Suggestion: You could make one of the new daleks with it's insides showing!
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Librarian-bot In reply to TheKeyWhovian [2014-09-03 17:00:18 +0000 UTC]
Phew - maybe. I'm not sure I'm up to doing another cross-section right now!
Thanks for commenting!
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DaiKaiju-Defender [2014-08-18 02:34:55 +0000 UTC]
are you planning on touching the Klade in your dalek history?Β
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Librarian-bot In reply to DaiKaiju-Defender [2014-08-20 12:34:15 +0000 UTC]
Not at present. I'm not quite sure what I could render for them, really. It would just be a bunch of folks standing around . . . perhaps if I get good at rendering humans!
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Lemiken7 [2014-08-16 13:42:42 +0000 UTC]
Β An interesting collection of the evil beasties. I still prefer the new series design in the forefront, butΒ I'm not so convinced with the spider mech; it seems a bit gimmicky. To be fair I haven't read the book, so perhaps I should give them a chance.
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Librarian-bot In reply to Lemiken7 [2014-08-17 10:25:08 +0000 UTC]
In the book, it's little more than window dressing, really. A nice bit of atmosphere that functions just like any other Dalek. Still, it does show how desperate the Daleks are getting that they're willing to use alternate versions of themselves - and convert humans into Daleks as well, actually.
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Kasterborous [2014-08-15 11:43:08 +0000 UTC]
The tripod Dalek is interesting... the "prime" Daleks may be tank-like, but that makes me think more of mobile artillery. Less sturdy but faster and more manoeuvrable.
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Librarian-bot In reply to Kasterborous [2014-08-17 10:31:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that's not a bad way of conceptulising them. I think that was the rational behind them originally put forward in War of the Daleks too. Still, I was thinking about this while I was building it and I realised that the reason I don't really care for it is that the Daleks are ultimately creatures who what to change the universe to suit them, not to change themselves to suit the universe. That stubbornness would explain why in general they haven't opted for redesigning themselves to be more maneuverable or agile.
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JacobJayCraft [2014-08-14 21:53:36 +0000 UTC]
I swear the one on the far right looks like a movie dalek xD
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Librarian-bot In reply to JacobJayCraft [2014-08-17 10:19:51 +0000 UTC]
Should do! It's based on the art of Ron Turner, who drew the 60s Dalek Chronicles comic strip in the wake of the two Dr Who and the Daleks movies.
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Librarian-bot In reply to BillBailey [2014-08-16 17:29:11 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! As I said, I'll probably be tweaking it a bit before the orthos. Will no doubt post over on PDF when I'm happy with it.
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LordTigeron [2014-08-14 17:48:30 +0000 UTC]
I love the overall idea, but a 3 legged anthing doesnt work, give him 4 and I'm a happy Dalek lover
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Librarian-bot In reply to LordTigeron [2014-08-17 10:22:19 +0000 UTC]
Oh, agreed on the three legged thing - very silly although I have always liked the idea of equating the Daleks with the Martians from War of the Worlds....
Still, that's what gets described in the book, so here it is.
I might do a four or six legged variant at some point.
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Kasterborous In reply to LordTigeron [2014-08-15 11:39:27 +0000 UTC]
Tell that to the Martians
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DalekMercy [2014-08-14 14:40:10 +0000 UTC]
Nice work! Loving the TWD, nice a heavy metal.
I kind imagined the spider one to be smaller and more nimble and I also like the idea that it's four guns would cover every angle around it's body rather than grouped.
Loving the Eternity Daleks, they're like the DTC's less competant cousins. The colour scheme to match
Lovely brilliant work as usual. Keep it up!
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Librarian-bot In reply to DalekMercy [2014-08-17 10:28:52 +0000 UTC]
Thanks!
I was actually *trying* to go for nimble with the spider Dalek but it didn't quite work out that way. The scaling got a bit wonky at some point, I think. I may have to adjust things later.
And agreed about the Eternity Circle. Pleasingly colourful but little in the way of actual competence. Never trust anyone who stands around in a circle shouting orders at underlings all day, I guess....
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DalekMercy In reply to Librarian-bot [2014-08-18 09:40:28 +0000 UTC]
Well you did a pretty great job all round and despite my observations I think you did a fabulous job.
Yes compared to the DTC they where rather more like a foil for the Timelords, "dusty old senators" giving orders and having no idea of the actual situation.
The DTC is more a foil for the Doctor in both intellect and ambitions.
Speaking of which, are you going to do a Predator Dalek mock up with a regular Dalek for size? I'd love to see you interpration of it.
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Librarian-bot In reply to DalekMercy [2014-08-20 11:11:33 +0000 UTC]
I haven't really got any plans for the Predator Dalek at the moment. I have to say, the idea doesn't interest me all that much, but you never know.
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DalekMercy In reply to Librarian-bot [2014-08-20 12:01:57 +0000 UTC]
Fair enough, I thought it was a rather fascinating concept nevertheless.Β
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Librarian-bot In reply to DalekMercy [2014-08-20 20:04:38 +0000 UTC]
Well, I suppose what I mean is I'm not sure I can think of a way of making it visually interesting - at least not in a way distinct from my Hive Dalek Supreme model. But maybe I will at some point and change my mind!
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DalekMercy In reply to Librarian-bot [2014-08-21 15:48:35 +0000 UTC]
I get your point. I guess the only thing I'd like to see is it scaled against a normal Dalek for size or the inside.
Other than that I guess it's a just a Dalek drone with a different paint job.
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Vortex5972 [2014-08-14 13:32:28 +0000 UTC]
Very cool. That Tripod Dalek looks like a cool cross between a Dalek and a Droideka.
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Librarian-bot In reply to Vortex5972 [2014-08-16 17:13:46 +0000 UTC]
The comparison had not occurred to me but you're right. Actually, they would have looked even more similar if I had gone with my original idea for the legs and made them pointed....
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DoctorWhoOne [2014-08-14 06:51:07 +0000 UTC]
Nice upload mate. I actually imagined the 4 guns on the Spider Dalek to be on either side of it's casing, but it looks absolutely fine as you've made it on this terrific upload
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Librarian-bot In reply to DoctorWhoOne [2014-08-16 17:11:31 +0000 UTC]
I shall have to read the descriptions again - I thought I some point they were described as being close together but I could be mistaken.
Thinking about it some more, the image I got of them while reading puts me in mind of the Strider Daleks from 'War of the Daleks'. Not something I really wanted to be reminded of but hey ho....
Glad you like the picture!
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