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Published: 2010-06-29 14:11:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 7310; Favourites: 196; Downloads: 26
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I know this might raise a shitstorm, but I still decided to do it, to speak up my mind. Anyway, once again if you wish to argue this matter, please do so in a civil way. If I hide comments, that's simply because whoever wrote them refused to act decently.
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Ah, ok. I'm atheist, too, but I'm pro-choice. I support sane people of both sides, though.
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Your definition of murder is different from mine. I believe murder is just killing something or someone, while you think it is just killing that is illegal. While I respect your opinion, I am not changing my input.Β
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Agree to disagree. I think it's not murder, you do. Whatever
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Hey sir, so if you say it's not murder, are you meaning it's not a human and it's okay to kill it?
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No. At the the time most abortions are performed the fetus can't think. Β Its barely a living thing at the time of most abortions. Β And don't you pull that 'moment of conception bullshit on me.'
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well, if its not a human while a newborn is, tell me a difference between a fetus and a newborn that proves a newborn is a human and we can't kill it while a unborn is not a human and we can kill it that does not involve: size, level of development, environment, and dependancy. Why you can't include these?
Size: a newborn is larger than a fetus, but does a large person deserve more rights than a small one? Is it okay to hit a baby but not okay to hit his father because his father is larger?Β
Level of development: a newborn is more developed than a unborn, but less developed than a full grown woman. does that mean it has less rights to live than her? A four year old is less developed than a fourteen year old. Does that mean the fourteen should have more rights than her?
Environment: Okay, since when does where you are determine who you are? How does a simple change of location turn a mindless tissue into a respectful human being?Β
Dependency: a unborn is more dependent than Β a newborn, but why should your dependency you had no fault in having be an excuse to kill you? People use insulin, but that does make them less human or less valuable?Β
Also, the law of Biogenesis says "living things reproduce after their own kind."
In this case, how is it possible for human parents to produce something that is not a human but will develop into one?
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Wow, you must have taken a lot of time out of your day to tell something to someone who still won't believe it. I firmly believe that abortion is Β not murder and that a woman should be able to do what she wants with her own body. And if abortion is murder, does that make a woman who has one. A murderer?Β
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So if a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body, that means there is only one body involved and there is no innocent unborn that did nothing wrong on purpose that also has a right to live. An innocent child that did nothing wrong on purpose deserves to go through this just because it is inside its mother's body:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON-8P⦠(what i want you do see starts at 13:03)
"And if abortion is murder, does that make a woman who has one. A murderer?"
Sorry to say and no offense but in my view, it makes her indirectly one. She did not kill the child herself, but she paid someone to do it. And I am a girl on teens btw. I'm sorry if i offended anyone with this, but you asked for my opinion and here it is.Β
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An unborn can't be innocent or guilty, it can not think or commit crime.
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can't commit a crime, so its innocent. A baby can't commit a crime, so its innocent. Science can't look at the brain and tell what the person is thinking, so no one knows if they can think or not. But feel, yes it can. Six weeks at max and the fetus will feel everything that is happening to it.Β
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I couldn't agree more.
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Yeah, a BABY is innocent. A fetus isn't a baby, and it won't become one unless you keep it. Oh, and don't even think aboutΒ bringing up the "BAWWW! BUT DER IZ ADOPTION 4 DA UNWANTED BABIEZ!", the adoption and foster care systems are fucked up and most kids never get a permanent home. I'd rather someone abort a baby then let it have a crappy life.
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I'm sorry but I refuse to watch that video. So I'm just going to assume that it's just something telling me that a fetus has a heartbeat on 4 weeks or some crap like that or that it can feel everything. Whatever. I just think a woman should have the right to choose. Did you know that a good amount of abortions happen to women who want a child. But they can't carry it to term due to a medical condition or something wrong with the fetus. Or something along those lines. And without an abortion the mother would have died or something would have gone wrong. And what aboutΒ ectopic pregnancy? Where survival of the fetus is unlikely to survive? What then?
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Okay, I will tell you what the video is then. It's a live abortion filmed via ultrasound. That's why i told you to start at 13:03. Ectopic pregnancy in my eyes is the only excuse to have an abortion. in this case its better to save one than lose both. The rest, the woman could very well wait about 20 weeks and get a c section. If the fetus is unlikely to survive, are you saying like a baby is dying but it still has a chance to live and instead of letting the kid have a chance to make it you just kill it? Why should an innocent child be killed because of a deficiency? Besides, only 3% of abortions happen because of woman's health (www.johnstonsarchive.net/polic⦠).
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So you are saying risk a woman's health for 20 weeks just for a very, very slim chance of a baby's life? And when I say unlikely I mean like a 2% chance. As in very slim.
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I've had the great pleasure of meeting some fabulous and TRUE "pro-lifers", ones who might disagree that it is okay to have the procedure done, but won't condemn the woman for going through with one either. Because hey, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But what I can't stand are the people who hate on "Pro-choicers" no matter the circumstances.Β
Β "Oh you were raped? Underage? He ran out on you? You can't afford the very same pregnancy you tried to prevent with contraceptives? The baby shouldn't have to suffer for any of that trivial stuff! Besides, I bet you were asking for it." The people who never see that there ARE some circumstances in which this is a totally acceptable procedure.Β
Too bad we can't force radical "pro-fetuses" (Those who want to abolish abortion procedures ENTIRELY) to carry "pro-choicers" unwanted babies; I bet they wouldn't be so "Pro-life" and hellbent to try and FORCE women to go through the physical, mental and emotional torture if it meant the same would to apply to THEM.
Β "I didn't ask for a baby!"Β
Β "I didn't ask for a baby either; I even took birth-control and was trying to be responsible enough to avoid any chance of pregnancy, but alas! I have other plans with my life than to raise an accidental or unwanted kid- and would prefer that I am not forced to endure this hindrance to my hopes, dreams and aspirations because some random-ass person said so and wants to control what happens to MY body and MY personal life. So as a "pro-lifer" it is your duty to take in this developing fetus I'm not fit to raise and carry it to full term. It's YOUR belief to do so, not mine."Β
Β "I don't have the financial stability to raise a baby!"Β
Β "Oh don't worry, you don't have to keep it. You can always do what you preach about to women who can't afford to raise their babies: just throw it into the orphanages you keep praising for it's wonderful and nurturing care systems- I'm sure they'll grow up confident, happy, successful and healthy."Β
Β "Fuck adoption! I don't want to be PREGNANT! Not only will I have to endure the painfully physical changes of my body and morning sickness I'll likely be suspended from my schooling or even fired because I'm a liability to the company now that I'm pregnant. You can't force me to carry a baby I don't want just because YOU want me to!"Β
Β "Oh? But it's totally fine for YOU to try and force ME to carry something I didn't want and endure every single real life altering issue? No. So here ya go! If you believe life is 'so precious' then you wouldn't mind being a surrogate despite all the woes that come with it for the rest of your radical pro-fetus life; becoming the broodmare you're trying to make every individual woman in this world into with your spiteful movements and force to abolish abortions entirely."
Β "That's not fair! I have a right to my own fucking body, it's my basic rights to say no! I can have a right to choose to do anything I want with my own body, and I choose not to carry this fucking baby!"
Β "Oh, and that little song you're singing doesn't sound at all like something you would have put down and mocked when it was a "Pro-choicer" on the other end of this stick? What you chose to be is a bullying "pro-fetus" lover, who demands every pregnant woman to carry through full term whether it is in their better interest or not. After all, YOU were the one who was willing to try and force ME to carry it when it's not even in my beliefs to do so- I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine, you gross hypocrite." Β
Β "Bu- but what about the "pro-lifers" that are men? I shouldn't be forced to give birth when it could hurt me, and neither should the men who believe this!"Β
"Just like you shouldn't have any influence in whether or not a PERSON (genitals aside) wants to avoid hurting themselves by opting out of a dramatic and damaging transformation and force them to endure it otherwise because YOU want them to. News-flash! It really DOES take two to tango; and yet the supposed "man" of the relationship is never ridiculed nearly as much for the unwanted pregnancy as the woman is, which she is now also expected to endure despite HER wishes and beliefs. So suck it up and have fun pooping that watermelon sized child out of your self-righteous ass and just be thankful you don't get menstruations too; you sexist, dirty fuck."Β
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I'm fine with rape victims, minors and people that are in danger aborting, otherwise they should give the baby up for adoption. And BTW, if men were the ones that got pregnant, I'd oppose them aborting just as much as women.
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I understand why people think abortion is wrong, but think about it this way, what if the woman would literally die having the baby? And abortion was illegal? it would kill both the mother and the child.
Also, it's the MOTHER'S decision to keep it or not, what if she was underage/too sick/chances of it dying otherwise/infertile and just couldn't risk it (Yes, I know about adoption, but look up at the first sentence I wrote again)
GOD can't force a mother to keep a baby, would it change anything if one baby is aborted while 200+ other women are giving birth everyday?
No one should force a mother to have a baby, if she doesn't want to have it, she doesn't have to.
People yell that it's wrong at people that have abortions or planning it, doing that is a horrible thing to do to a mother, even if she was aborting it, it's wrong to do that to the mother, and twist her mind on having it when she doesn't want to.
What if the mother was raped? Should you force her to live in torment and have a baby she clearly didn't want?Β
Yes, people can adopt the baby, but don't you ever think about how the mother would feel after having that baby, for the rest of her life she'll suddenly feel putting it up for adoption was wrong and being tormented not knowing who's taking care of her baby.
People do things that are utterly stupid, some parents are unfit to have children, or it could risk their lives, or they simply couldn't take the thought of having it and then giving it away - and yet they couldn't raise it themselves.
And don't think ALL mothers just WANT to do this in a horrible and unmoral matter, cause most of the time they're not, you just can't force them to go through with having a baby when they can't.
You cannot force someone to have a baby if they can't/don't want to.Β
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Plus the aborted fetuses can be used for stem cells!
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You're a sick twisted bastard, do the world a favior and kill yourself.
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Yes!
I still need to make Stem Cell Research Promotion stamps, but I'm too lazy... -.-
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Stem cell research is so importaaaant.
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It is, it really isBut religious nuts are turning the whole topic into controversy. It's like Abortion and Gay Rights all over again. :1
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How is it not? Assertion is not an argument.Β
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At the the time most abortions are performed the fetus can't think. Β Its barely a living thing at the time of most abortions. Β And don't you pull that 'moment of conception bullshit on me.'
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One can't think when one is asleep, but it's still not considered ok to smother people snoozing in their beds. That would still be murder, would it not? Level of active consciousness at a given time does not determine right to life, what matters is the potential to gain or regain consciousness, as is the case whether considering a fetus or a sleeper.
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I hate the "Put it up for adoption" argument the most. Yeah just dump even more unwanted babies on the care system, that will solve your problem. I think it's a lot more cruel to have a child growing up in care (in the case it doesn't get adopted right away) then it is to just not let it live at all, it's not alive, it doesn't know what it's missing anyway. Babies probably get snatched up, but a lot of children end up growing up in care and never having parents. There needs to be less people throwing babies at the care system, it's just not fair.Β
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I'd rather see a million kids growing up in orphanages than one unnecessary abortion.
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And there might be much less unwanted babies if there was MORE sex ed. So much sex ed no person can use the ignorance argument. Nobody can say "Oh I didn't know we have to use a condom or I might get pregnant lol". Those kind of fucktarded unwanted pregnancies shouldn't even happen. Accidents happen (condom broke, the pill failed and so on) and so on, but sheer ignorance on consequences of having sex should not exist anymore.
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www.ezimba.com/work/140301C/ezβ¦
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Uh huh, okay. Nothing new or shocking there.
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I still don't get why SOME Anti-Abortionists hate the murder of a lump of cells, but are all for the murder of abortion doctors, and the Bombing of abortion clinics. Killing Abortion doctors is more like murder than abortion is. BTW, This is not directed at all Anti-Abortionists.
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Abortion doctors are mass murderers, so they deserve everything they get.
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Just out of curiosity, what's your stance on the death penalty?
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I'm against it, personally. Even if we're talking about the worst of the worst horrible scumbags. I say let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives - but let's not kill people. Not even them.
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So, you're against painlessly killing a man who's raped and killed several prepubescent girls, but you're cool with killing a baby 9 minutes before it exits the womb?
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This is why there are time frames when it comes to abortion in the law. You miss that timeframe, tough shit, give birth. I'm not saying it's cool to attempt abortion when the woman is in labor, what kind of stupid bullshit is that.
And yeah, a man who kills and rapes children would certainly be a monster. Does killing him make the families of those he killed feel better? I don't know, possibly it would. Does it make the kids raise from the dead? No it doesn't. I still think locking up the monster and taking everything away from him for the rest of his life is better than "painlessly killing him".
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Okay. I've just met several people who literally have no problem with late term abortions. I can understand advocating the killing of a fetus when it can't feel people and isn't self-aware, but for people to be in favor of abortions 5 minutes before he/she is due to be born, where it is LITERALLY the EXACT same thing as the baby that's about to come out, but as soon as it comes out thatsababynowyoucanttouchthatifyoukillitnowitsmurdergetit?Β
Do people pay for their crimes to make the victims feel better or to undo the harms they've done? First and foremost, they are punished because of JUSTICE. Then again, if a child molester is beaten in prison, that might be better than a painless death.Β
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Well thinking it's okay to attempt a damn abortion when the woman is literally in labour is fucking stupid to be honest. Who the fuck thinks that's somehow okay. I'm not a doctor, but sounds plenty dangerous for the mother and the soon-to-be-born child to me. But what the hell do I know.
From what I've heard, men who beat/rape/kill women/children are not all that liked in prisons - by the inmates. I'd say spending the rest of their lives in a hostile environment like that is more of a punishment than getting killed for what they did.
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i say that rapists should be eaten alive by dogs
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Or have their junk bitten off by stray dogs.
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You are correct on the not liked in prisons. Many male child molesters, rapists, and murderers of children/women get a surprise "boyfriend" when in prison 
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