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Published: 2010-06-29 14:11:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 7311; Favourites: 196; Downloads: 26
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I know this might raise a shitstorm, but I still decided to do it, to speak up my mind. Anyway, once again if you wish to argue this matter, please do so in a civil way. If I hide comments, that's simply because whoever wrote them refused to act decently.
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People believe it. 
That's really the only argument I like for NOT giving child molesters the death penalty. I mean, I don't exactly condone those actions, but don't they deserve it?Β
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...but it;s okay to take the lives of those who have yet to live?
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That's the point, you see.
They have yet to live
They lack consciousness and will never have experienced life if the abortion had taken place. They wouldn't give a fuck if they had been aborted, because they never would have actually experienced life on a conscious level
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Live as in experience life, not lacking the functions that equal life.
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Yeah but the world will decide, the world always decides. If you say it's not wrong and give yourself a pat on the back, it doesn't fore go the will of others to choose as well. The mother can choose to kill the child, and the child cannot stop her or say it's wrong. Murder works just like that straight across the board. The father can kill the mother and she cannot stop him or say it's wrong. Then the courts will kill the father and he cannot stop them or say it's wrong.
Murder is an easy-out solution for anyone, and one thing it has in common with all those whom take part in it. "they never think it's wrong until it's they themselves whom are at the mercy of another."
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You are talking about murdering a human being in cold blood. I talk about a lump of cells with the potential to BECOME a human.
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Be it a small lump of cells or bigger lump of cells, in a killers mind they really don't give a shit. Fetus, child, woman, man, "insects all of them" in the eyes of a killer. So when he says "I'm not a murderer, they were just lumps of cells" do you label him sane, or send him to the Gas Chamber? Well you're saying the same thing as him, so do I label you sane or a murderer like him, deeply disconnected from a civil society, as you are able to politely refer to human life as a lump of cells just as a psycho killer may. The fact is your not worthy to judge this matter while you are so deeply disconnected from it. Because abortion isΒ still a death you've not experience so your clearly in no position to say "It's not so bad, I'm just a lump of cells."Β
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Just expressing my opinion here, lad. If thinking every woman should be free to do as they wish when it comes to pregnancy is somehow evil, then I sure am one evil bitch. And what comes to my personal experience on this matter, I was pregnant, and decided it's better to abort the pregnancy than to have a child I didn't plan for and would have had to raise all by myself while I myself were just a teenager. And yes, I even saw the fetus. I saw it had little frog-like hands and feet, tiny little black dots on the head what, I think, were going to be eyes. And it was so tiny and fragile with great potential and I looked at it for minutes. It would have been my first child. However there is a great difference between murdering a real, living, breathing, thinking and aware human being and aborting something that is not aware of anything, not itself or the surrounding world. Your problem seems to be that you think just because I find abortion acceptable, I also think murdering people is okay, which just isn't the case. Murder is wrong, I'm sure we all agree on that, and people who kill other people ought to be locked away. However I'm not here to discuss murder, the topic at hand is abortion and those are two separate issues.
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You can easily make an adult human's state of consciousness equal to that of a fetus.
-Induce coma while they are asleep so they aren't aware or given a choice.
-intoxicate so they don't understand up from down even while comatose.
-reduce pain ("Reduce"as a fetus still has nerves even if they're not "fully" developed)
-burn them to pieces in a chemical bath.
-discard in nearest trash bin
So was it okay to kill this large lump of cells? After all they fit all the criteria of a fetus being killed.
And in the eyes of a doctor this adult persons life may be equally worthless and inconvenient to his continued existence.
So how are you different from this man, just because you kill baby's and he kills adults in exactly the same way and in your exact state of mind, with your exact respect for all human life (life over 25 years of age in his case) before 25 they may prove un-matured and inconvenient, theirfore should be allowed to be humanely terminated. And he has many doctors proving his method of killing is painless and humane and they have written texts books on it and submitted it to the scientific community, and they seek a law to be made to support this, and that it be taught as "acceptable" in schools. All this so our future generation (your children, should any of them survive your opinion of them) can sit on dA and repeat your exact words in regards to aborting young humans under 25.
"They're just confused un-matured masses of cells, its not evil." No your child is just as convinced of their higher understanding as you are of fetus abortion. How are you civil and they are not? From your perspective your child's belief in killing young people under 25 makes him a monster, from his perspective your confusedΒ and overly sensitive to moral ideals. Well from my perspective your are both equally the same monster. And my logic cannot be refuted, you both have a low opinion of young life, and kill it on account of your low opinion, as though it's life never was significant at all.
I'm a child of the last generation and in my overly "overly sensitive moral ideas" You are exactly a murderer.
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Sigh. Do you even realize how much you seem like a crazy-eyed lunatic on a crusade? You are constantly talking about murdering fully developed human beings with awareness, thoughts and consciousness. A fetus, when aborted, has none of these things. It's not aware of itself or the world surrounding it. It never knew it was there since it had no conscious awareness like a born human child. You can call me a monster and a killer all you like but it changes nothing. I know my choice was the right one at the time and I don't feel bad about it. Also, by my own logic, I should have been aborted, had my mother been as sane as I am. Aborting the pregnancy would have been the right thing to do. Sure, I wouldn't be here, but would I have cared? No, because at that point I wasn't alive, aware, or conscious in any way about my own existence. But unfortunately she thought having a child that is literally drunk when born is a good idea, so I was born. In great deal of pain for the first six months, so I have been told, but now that I'm here I try to do the best I can and do the right choices. And one of them has been rather giving up being a mother than doing something my own mother did when she had me and all my other siblings. So I'm happy with my choice, and when I'm ready to have a child, she or he will be loved and treasured. But I'm not about to have a child I don't want just because someone else thinks I should "just because".
Anyway, if you want to talk about adult human beings being "killed", my "I support euthanasia" stamp might be siutable for that. Given that you discuss euthanasia, not crazy people killing each other for various of reasons. Here's a link if you want to take this there. Just reminding that I wish the topic of abortion be discussed here, not mindless killing. fav.me/d2t0b09
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We are not talking and mercy killing a willing patent. the key word that seperates it from murder is "willing" so I'm not going to defend those whom wish to die or would wish it if they woke from a coma at age 95. So that's utterly a moot point. Please let's stick to the agreed topic if you don't mind, it helps to settle and considerably shorten lengthy debates.
Quote: "It's not aware of itself or the world surrounding it. It never knew it was there since it had no conscious awareness like a born human child"
Ive already proven you can take adult awareness away from an adult making them exactly the same as a fetus. Unaware is unaware, age does not change that, you state of consciousness 'does', and that can be altered to the point of zero neural activity. Which in medical terms is a "vegetable" utterly unaware to the point they could put a fetus to shame in a "mindlessness" competition. So that argument is irrefutably settled.Β
And I'm not loony, their are ACTUAL GROUPS of people trying to pass laws to enact abortions up to 3 and even 5 years of age, so yes that is real. I've only exaggerate the age to 25 to better push my point across, but everything spoken was what could very well become a truth of tomorrow! Well what do you think now? Yes exactly! its a horror of unimaginable proportions, and more so because....you'll be me -the former generation arguing morals with the next generation. And truth be told, at that point you can simply take all your replies in this conversation, all of them, and read them to yourself in reply. This will gain you a clear glimpse of your future conversations against 3 year old abortion. This is also a fact you cannot argue against, its a truth of our day, even if its never realized, its no less being sought. So that argument too is irrefutably settled.
And once again, I've already been over this so lets get this point across one last time. If your mother killed you "Then and only then, you'd know in that moment of death, weather you'd care or not. But she didn't, Thus ITS NOT A DEATH YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED! So you cant possibly know because you've read a waiting room brochure, but didn't you suspect at least that what your read could be a lie? Well factually it was.
And I know your going to get scientific and speak on that level next so here's the facts on that.Β Science has a bad way of finding the "so called" truth. And this is done in a great many explored fields. They fund a group of like minded individuals, lets say 300 million, to (in this example) "prove abortion is humane" and that is the direction the research "MUST FOLLOW" because it's what they are being paid to "prove" not "disprove". Just like a lawyer defending a known killer, he must work in the killers defense at all costs. So in terms of science, they too twist the truth and bend it convincingly, and if needed, exaggerate it greatly to being focus on the point they wish to prove, any evidence to the contrary is destroyed. Then the sliver of truth discovered, is aggrandized in the media with another great expenditure of 500 million to see it through "favorably".Β If any wish to disprove it, well their not so popular, so they cough up 1.2 million and pay like minded scientists of their own, to disprove it, then fund a writer (give him what change they have left) to humbly put it in the media and hope it strikes a cord. Which it cant when the lie is so loudly broadcast. This is actually the real truth of abortion, it had far greater funding in all fields by a long shot, so the information you believed was an aggrandized lie I'm sorry to say.
Β In truth they have proved a fetus feels a deal of pain because it does have its large nerves already formed ("but not fully formed" lacking the small nerves to your skin and such, so you see how the lie was worded so you would believe it's painless) But since the abortion process burns the child into chunks, it also burns through those large nerves connected to a living functional brain. And to say that the fetus un aware and doesn't understand death, well thats a lie too, its been proven that human and animal sperm actually behave like a battled hardened army, when another males sperm is introduced, both sides will form battle lines, they will have blockers, swimmers, and killers and fight to the death. Hence why males of species which are less Monogamous like chimps, have larger balls, where as gorillas, whom are uncontested because the rip rivals to pieces, have tiny testicles.Β So how can the fetus (the more developed life form) not understand death, when its baser life form so richly understood that to the effect of forming battle lines? I'd call that baser organism self aware. So how does that stop as it evolves into a child, its simple, it does not. Look at out killer nature and you'll see it shine through. So that, for the second time now, is settled.
What else have you got? You've presented me with a lot of opinion based on no facts at all, I've presented facts. Please don't touch on things now settled unless you have facts beyond your opinion.
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Let's stick to the agreed topic? Darling, a good portion of time here has been going to you ranting about killing children and grown people - that's not abortion. Though if you want to discuss murder, death sentence or euthanasia, I'm well open to those topics too. But abortion and murder discussions are separate things. Let's say my country, Finland, represents abortion, and USA represents murder. There is a giant gap between them. An ocean kind of gap. You talk about human beings, I talk about something with the potential to become a human being. However this is an opinion based topic, and it always will be. Your opinion is that every woman who decides to abort her pregnancy is a killer, my opinion is that women should be free to do as they want and there's nothing wrong with either choice. If they want to terminate the pregnancy, their body, their choice. If they want to keep it, their body, their choice.
Anyway, I have to confess I hadn't heard about groups who are actually pushing to make murdering children legal. Or at least I don't remember coming across it, I may have and dismissed it as some stupid bullshit story. I have too much hope in humanity to just believe that kind of shit. Because that's about murdering human beings (children, no less), and whoever came up with that thinking it's a good idea is a fucking lunatic.
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I've show time and time again there is no differece, again I'll show you how comparative they are.
The infants body is not your body, that's why you can kill it without dying, unlike your heart the fetus is apart from your life function, "it is not your body." It merely is dependant on your body as all children are. And yes it's your choice to cut that dependency and let that separate body die, but it's not right to kill a person which depends on you for life.
Example: In the northern wild, the city-slicker environmentall resurchers I protect and nurture in the wild (especially when things go wrong) are also totally dependant on me, like a fetus they will die if I choose to cut that dependency. And like a fetus, It will not be seen as murder, I will not go to prison, I'm allowed to decide to save myself and abandon them. It's legal because saving them -so they might live-could cost me my life. So by rights I could leave them to die on a whim and make any excuse, or none at all. Β But I don't, BECAUSE ITS SO VERY WRONG TO ABANDON A DEPNDANT TO DEATH! yeah it's my body that suffered to watch over them, and it's my choice to stick with them when things go bad. But that's the choice I make even when death is likely to take me as well, because I'm not a cold hearted bitch like certain other people may be.
And yes "after birth anortion" is gaining momentum. Google it for a host of Β topics or follow this link for one among the many.Β m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepβ¦
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i dont get it sometimes why people think that way but meh, Β they have thier view points, and i respect them ofcourse, but dont force it down other peoples throat, simple.
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so do u believe in bad choices?
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Wow, people really need to see this stamp! My body, my choice, my life ~ Haha, I seriously HATE the idea of giving birth. I wouldn't even go through ANY pain to give birth.Β
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Thank you!Β
Abortion ALWAYS has a reason and its a hard choise for the women!
What if she wouldnt be able to take care of the baby? Should she keep it and ruin its life?
What if she was raped by a man she didnt know? Should she keep a baby she never wanted and wasnt ready for and let it live in confusion about life?
What if the baby would be born with a disease and would die in few years? Should the woman live in fear?
Theres so many GOOD reasons for abortion!Β
People who are against it are stupid not the ones who are pro-abortion! (People who just dont think its always the best choice and dont make a drama around it are fine)
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And that is supposed to do what? Make me change my opinion? Well...if yes...then you failed.
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I agree with this stamp.
Abortion is not murder, unethical or wrong. It's a choice that women have to make, but sometimes people are using it as a birth control which they should be using birth control medication so that it would not happen.Β
I have to say that abortion should be used only for rapes and teenage pregnancy (by choice)
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www.ezimba.com/work/140301C/ezβ¦
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I think I just lost my lunch
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Using abortion as a form of birth control so to speak is utterly stupid, I agree. Accidents happen, birth control methods can fail, but "We just didn't want to use a condom so oops" kind of bullshit is, well, bullshit.
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Yeah it is. Yep, and people are making a big deal about it because like in texas many women are using it as a continuous birth control and everyone down there want to shut down abortion clinics.Β
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Yeah same here i mean they are really serious about abortion and i've been thinking about what if a girl gets raped and the baby is the person that raped her and she might get afraid because the child might look like the guy that raped her, and wants to get ride of it, but since the abortion clinics are shut down for good then what should she do. But back then they did abortion in allies and it was bad it was all bloody.Β
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Exactly. The clinics shouldn't be closed down just because some people are stupid. But unfortunately some forced sex ed for the stupid probably wouldn't work either.
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Yeah they shouldn't but you know if many people have seen women go in the clinic over and over again it might get on their nerves and they made commercials of abortion but it seems that no one listens to them so that they could stop. Like with teenage pregnancy parents give the choice to the child if they want an abortion or not. What women don't realize that it could causeΒ Cervical CancerΒ that women are at a 2.3 greater risk of cervical cancer if they have had an abortion. But sometimes they ignore that too then well whatddya know they got it.Β
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And you really did start a shitstorm xD
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Gosh people who are against abortion don't have to have one just let a woman do what she wants to her body. Prolifers and anti abortionists should stay out of other womens buisness and let them do what they want instead of making this a big controversy. And it is a fetus so stop trying to bring religion in this to try to say its a baby.
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im against abortion but i believe the woman should always have a choice, her body her life u feel me
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I do agree with you on this matter, abortion is not murder, unethical, or wrong. People should be aloud to get rid of something they don't want. However, if it is murder, how is it still around legally? If it is not around legally, because i don't pay much attention, why? Abortion is getting rid of a fetus that you do not wish to have. Killing a baby out of the uterus is murder, not abortion.
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that may be but it's not for you to decide for the mother
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A fetus is not a full fledged human. So its technacially not murder
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So exactly when does it become a fully fledged human? When it's born? What about a day before that?
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When the woman is about 4 months away from giving birth, Which is like the third trisemester?
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after about 2-3 weeks, the baby has a heartbeat, DNA, and a working brain.Β
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I'm in favor of abortion, but I'm also in favor of people having their beliefs. BUT I like how you phrased this Stamp. You didn't say "immoral". Morality is good, but everyone's going to have their own exact definition of it.
The thing I hate most about abortion is not everyone agrees on ethics or morality, and we never will on a matter like this because it can't be definitively settled. One side can win, but you can't make the losing side believe. Or give up. I won't be surprised if abortion is just as controversial 50 years from now as it is today... Unless we brainwash kids now to force them to favor it.
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Hey, if you don't wanna kid, can't take care of a kid, whatever, you shouldn't have to have it.
Nobody's business but yours.
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its actually been proven that no baby is human until they develop their 5 senses correctly
pain and liking/disliking something doesn't count in that matter
one of the main things is trying to fit in with all of the others
humans are the only known creatures who actually care about their appearence, being ugly and such
dogs, cats, fish and others couldn't care less
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So someone who is blind (they don't have that 5th sense) is not human? That makes sense. We might as well get rid of anyone who is an inconvenience anyways.
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Are you sure about that? Remember, some people are born blind, and/or deaf, and never have 5 senses at all. Others don't have their senses develop correctly. And it's been "proven"? That's not something that can definitively be proven...
I'm not arguing with you because I agree with you, but on controversial topics like this, you need to use better logic than that.
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From what I've read in your comments, I'm surprised the abortion didn't put you into a worse state then you were. If the child was going to kill you by you birthing it, which is what I interpreted, then good for you. Although I have to ask, do you feel remorse? Or was it just some lump that even if you had carried it to term you wouldn't have given it a second thought? I genuinely want to know if you feel bad that you had to abort your child, or that you are happy and ecstatic that you aborted it. If it was me, I would have felt guilty and remorseful, because that child could have turned into the next great person, but would have felt relief that I was going to live and when I was ready for a child, I could have one and would be fit to care for it. Just would like to see your viewpoint.
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I never felt guilt or remorse about it. I had no way of taking responsibility for a child at that time in my life, so it was far better this way.
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I understand that but you didn't feel the slightest bit of sadness after the fact?
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