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Published: 2010-06-29 14:11:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 7314; Favourites: 196; Downloads: 26
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I know this might raise a shitstorm, but I still decided to do it, to speak up my mind. Anyway, once again if you wish to argue this matter, please do so in a civil way. If I hide comments, that's simply because whoever wrote them refused to act decently.
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I assume you have an argument?
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In my own, not entirely solidified opinion, I'd say abortion is acceptable up until the embryo gains some semblance of consciousness. I base this around the idea that if a person is brain-dead, then they're not coming back, not matter how long you keep the body alive. So, if the operation of the brain can define life in regards to whether a person is alive or dead, maybe that same standard can be used to say whether they exist as a person yet. Of course, the two situations are fundamentally different, in that a brain-dead person is going to stay dead, while an embryo still has the potential to become a person.
While I did say it would be acceptable, I do think that women should, if able, carry the baby to term and then put it up for adoption after birth. Still, if there are extenuating circumstances, then...
Well, more than anything, I believe that I don't know nearly enough about any of this to be able to give an informed opinion.
Also, if it's a really early abortion, the stem cells should be put to good medical use. If that sort of thing is possible. Like I said, I'm not particularly knowledgable on this.
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Deny a fetus life? If that fetus could find a way to live without my body or money I wouldn't deny it its life.
Why is rape considered wrong but forcing an unwanted pregnancy upon a woman is supposedly the right thing to do? Both use the woman's body forcefully and without her permission.
Murder is a crime except when it's committed in self defense.
YAY ABORTION.
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I respect all opinions on abortion, and I don't think abortion is murder, but I do think it is killing. That may not make sense, if it doesn't to you, ask and I will try to explain.
I don't tend to use "what-if" situations for arguements, but what-ifs are thrown around all over on both sides for abortion. I do think the what if said person was aborted is more than a bunch of crap. We play what if's with everything else relating to death and no-existance, so how is it any different with abortion?
There are people who change your lives entirely, to the point that you yourself would be a different person if you had never met that. No, you wouldn't be able to mourn them if they had never existed, one of the reasons I don't think it's "murder", but can you really tell me a person has never changed your life so much, you never thought, "What if ___ didn't happen? What if I never even met them?"And yes, you could make the opposing side that if they never lived, they wouldn't have raped/injured/killed someone. But if someone was murdered or died by natural causes throughout their lifetime, you could play the same what if game on both sides. But does that mean their death was a positive thing?
I don't tend to like what if arguements, and I don't use them really, but I don't think they are entirely invalid. please no insults, bashing, ect. ect.
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Where is that LightMystic person? I would love to be in an argument with him/her. Supreme idiocy is so entertaining!
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How on earth have I missed that club.
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This didn't bring up as big a shitstorm as last time. Boo :C
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here is a famous saying said by many prolife peeps,
"WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE FOR ABORTION, WHAT IF YOUR MOTHER ABORTED YOU??? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL????"
and my and my response is, "Well, if I was aborted, I wouldn't really be here, or feeling anything right now, now would I?"
and also, I"m prochoice like crazy, I don't think it's unethicall or anything, but I still consider it murder, and I'm ok with it!!
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Lots of people seem to forget; what if the baby will be born with a horrific disease? I myself had an extremely high chance of developing spina biffida as a fetus, which would have resulted in a horrible, crippled and short life. If the test was to come up positive, my mother would have aborted me.
And I support her all the way. Why would you appose this? However, I know there are some people that do... and I have to say, from the viewpoint of someone who came very close to not being around today, that I cannot comprehend their opinion.
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Well, I for myself think that if it's a danger for the mother in a medical way (like a tubal pregnancy) or the woman has been raped, I don't say anything. Of course it's the woman's choice. (Regarding most men don't care anyway). But if you have the possibilities to bring up a child, one should keep it. It's not the baby's fault what it's parents did. Even if I got pregnant and I actually don't ever want to have a child, I couldn't abort.
But I wouldn't go and say 'All women who abort are murder! They shall die in Hell!!' or something either. Like I said it's their choice. But I for myself couldn't do that.
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So... Light Mystic can discuss their opinion on abortion as much as they want, responding to several posters in several places on one posted piece of art, and someone responding with an opposing opinion is harrassment.
Their idea of FAIR includes personal attacks, and pointing out holes in the argument is stupid trolling.
Got it. Your family must be so proud of your online debate prowess.
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This stamp is for discussion, however I'm keeping an eye on the situation and if...some people decide to go into a temper tantrum their comments will be hidden. I wish all arguments to be at least somewhat civil, on both sides.
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Far as I'm concerned, abortion should just plain be available. None of these restrictions on the when and why; that brings up far too slippery of a slope to bother with. Can't we just let people not be parents if they don't want to be?
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Yay pro-choice stamp! I read some of the comments here, and was pretty frustrated with what I read. So here is my opinion, from a WOMAN'S point of view, as I have found in personal experience that most anti-abortion people are men, probably due to the fact that men will never understand what it's like to have something growing inside them.
The cells or an embryo/fetus/etc. are attached to and feed off of the woman's uterine lining and blood supply. It is, by very definition, a parasite. Half of the cells are made of her DNA, and the other half from the father's. So yes, it is part of her body. The mother and father are justified in making whatever decision they want, especially the mother, as it's growing inside her. Imagine if someone told you that you couldn't get rid of a tapeworm living inside you because it's a living thing and it would be "murder" to kill it. That would be pretty frustrating. It's inside your body and you have every right to do whatever you want to it.
While I respect the opinion to value a potential human's life, I do not agree that the embryo "doesn't belong to the woman." If someone doesn't want to have an abortion, then they don't have to get one. That's their choice. But so long as something is inside my body then it is my property, and I have the choice to abort if I want to. It's my body, not yours.
TL;DR- The woman carries the embryo (or, more accurately, the cells made of her and the father's DNA that may develop into a human later) therefore the woman has the choice to abort if she chooses.
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Now that sums it up nicely. yes.
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Thank you! I rarely, rarely say anything about topics like this, but I wanted to get my 2 cents out there. I don't like being told I'm not entitled to have control over my own body
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I'll simply say this.
Abortion is killing a life.
Lets say you get married or even have a boyfriend/girlfriend? Even someone you love dearly?
Well if their parents' chose abortion, they would have been dead before they could have a chance to live out their life. They were still alive before the abortion, but they were killed because someone was not ready to take responsibility for their actions.
We might as well allow the act to uthanize people that get too old or are in-able to work a job? I hear they're trying to pass it.. are you going to say yes to that?
Just giving you all something to think about... =/
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Actually, I would say yes to Euthanasia
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What if a young girl, say, 13, is raped, and becomes pregnant? What if that girl was given a horrible disease from that horrible experience, and the child is at risk of getting it? What if she is at risk of dying because of someone's cruelty.
And if they were aborted, then firstly, I never would have met them, and I would respect their decision, because it is at the time, their body. A fetus may be a life, but they have never known life, nor are they conscious, nor do they feel. I consider someone who has lived life to be more valuable than a fetus, simply because they are already fully alive, whereas a fetus, as cold as it may seem to say, is not.
I don't mean to flame, I just wonder at what you think of this perspective.
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Oh screw off.. this was ages ago, if you waste your time like that, grow balls enough to get a life...
I've thought of that perspective, of course... And every life has a purpose, even yours (though I obviously do not see it bring this old thing back 
How about I forget I met you and assume you were aborted? End of discussion and blocked cause I don't have time to waste on a reply...
You may be asking why I responded so rudely? Simple! ..I've had enough flaming on my opinion, and due to the "Right to Free Speech", I deserve to FREELY give my opinion on a subject. You cannot oppose me because you feel right, I did not oppose the author, just give my opinion to the subject at hand. Your side has been spoken, so I shall not hear it again. Good day.
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If their parents had chose abortion, I never would have known them, therefore never knowing that would've happened. Kinda hard to miss something that never happened.
*imagines someone running around, pointing at everyone who had an abortion and shouting "THAT COULD'VE BEEN MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER"* *lols*
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lol, bird boy... Go troll somewhere else, lol.. I'm dyin laughin here..
Plz don't make me lmao.. I need it.. xD
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Haters gonna hate. *shrug*
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Well then stop being a hater? idk, lol..
I'm trying to make an obvious statement that idc for the random messages from you people any more.. A few of you are trolling it on.. (tho I might gotta be a troll hater, but then again, who aint a troll hater but a troll? lol)
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You don't understand how "haters gonna hate" works, do you?
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Simple, you hatin and I'm trying to be ignoring.. xD
I'll just add you to my block list now.. =o
"Smarter is better", there's a phrase for you.
Hater.. lol
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Lets say you get married or even have a boyfriend/girlfriend? Even someone you love dearly?
Well if their parents' chose abortion, they would have been dead before they could have a chance to live out their life.
This argument makes no sense. If they were aborted then you would have never met them in the first place. How can you feel remorse for never meeting someone who doesn't exist?
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If you would take moment to think, I am saying that what if they were aborted?
You would have never met them.. they would be dead.
If you actually do care about anyone, you would understand the severity of it...
You would have never met them, they would have never been there to touch your life..
It makes perfect sense.. I am stating to imagine the absence of ever knowing them and stating it could have be a possible reality...
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No it doesn't make sense, if I never met them I wouldn't care a bit. It's not like they'd be here one day and then poof out of existence the next.
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But by the same logic, that guy that didn't rape my oldest child last week? Maybe he WAS aborted.
And the drunk that swerved into oncoming traffic and drove my youngest into the ditch to be paralyzed for life? Maybe she WAS aborted.
Thank GOD those assholes got taken out before i had to grieve.
ROE vs. WADE saved my kids! YAY!
........makes about as much sense.
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Yes, however maby it was the person who would have cured cancer or stopped world hunger? or even found a way to prevent car accidents from killing people?
Your theory is as invalid as your opinion sits.
For every negative, there is a positive, and is the same for it's other.
Do not abrupt balance in manipulation to strengthen your opinion. it will not assist you.
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Let me ask you a question.
How would YOU feel, if your parents aborted YOU?
Nothing. You know why?
You'd be dead!
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So for every positive if you proclaim, equal an opposite negatives could be called up in balance. So there's no net point in either direction.
Might as well proclaim that the fetus would have miscarried a week after the abortion. Play 'might have been' games is pointless, and a cheap appeal to emotions.
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now you are negatively manipulating words entirely for your own good. I will not speak to such a cheap talker.
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Manipulating words? You're manipulating the argument.
All you're offering is positive 'what if's' and ignoring the equally likely negatives. Cheap sentimentalism masquerading as a rational discourse.
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I think Yoda might say, that ad hominem strong in this one is...
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Not really, Right now I'm only balencing your negativity.
Go waste some one else's time before I add you to my ignore list.
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