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Published: 2011-08-26 16:09:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 5590; Favourites: 43; Downloads: 95
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[Pleasepleaseplease fullview. This picture looks pants in small view. xD]*collapses*
This...took me...forever.
As previously mentioned, I don't mix well with backgrounds. They don't like me. Hence why this took me forever. *laughs*
Vivian is my favourite companion by far of the TTYD group. I don't know why, she's just really likable in my opinion (and she looks so squishy! Can't resist the squishiness). The Creepy Steeple chapter itself was great fun, although...Amayzee Daisies? NOOOO RUNRUNRUNRUNRUN. Damn things.
So yup. Here she is. Ta-daa! *jazz hands*
Comments and constructive criticism are forever appreciated.
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Comments: 48
WALL OF TEXT I'M SO SORRY ASDASDASDAS D:
Lol, so it was then when ~JustANoobInDrawing decided to visit your gallery because she liked your art. It was also when she wholeheartedly requested to not do the same to her, since she hates her art.
Buuuuut, going to the pic.
I also really like Vivian because she is sooooooo useful. 
So, I was looking at the comments and I noticed that you actually see her as a transgender. The first version I ever played was the american, so I always saw her as a native gal (Well, born as a woman. 
On the other hand.... DonΒ΄t blame yourself for the backgrounds!! I love the colors, and the dark trees in the background look SO in-game!! I like it! and I love the twilight effect! Trust me, you do backgrounds pretty well. You should like your outcomes more.
Niiiiiice job.
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*can't resist being told not to do something* YOU LIIIIEEEEE. You're actually pretty good!
Oh, she is, isn't she? I love Fiery Jinx, especially when she's completely level'd up and it does plenty of damage... (Nice one! I might try that... Ugh, I know about their attacks though, I've been on the recieving end >_<)
Thank you bundles all over again for your awesome commenting/critiques! Ah, to me the original is always the canon. That, and there aren't half enough LGBT characters in games - I can't not pay tribute to one of the most awesome trans characters I know of!
Ahahaha, thank you! I'm just never sure how well BGs have come out...you've probably seen that my recent stuff is the only stuff with backgrounds... xD
*le million hugs*
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OHHH, I should have used inverse psychology then!! Check my gallery!!!
Fiery Jinx is PERFECT in trhe battle aganist the Shadow Queen because it kills those DAMN hands that suck your HP.
YouΒ΄re very welcome! I am a huge supporter of critiques since I love to help people improve (I really dislike to critique people with better arts than mine though, I feel really uncomfortable. >_o). AAAAND, I assume that by "the original" you mean Japanese ver, right? I always saw her as a girl though, I still think itΒ΄s... weird to make her a dude... SheΒ΄s just too feminine for me to see her as a man. I stilllove the character anyways.
Then I love your most recent stuff. Your backgrounds are NICE
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Muahaha! Oh, don't! You can always learn from your old artwork - seriously, take a peek over at the very beginning of - that was my old original account. THAT was me once, okay? xD You're far, far better than that. 
I can't remember who I used against her any more...I might have just put my faith in Goombella and an absolute tonne of Power Lift abuse. xD #mytechniqueforeverything
(You'd not run into them during the chapter before? Lucky... xD)
Same - I'm terrible at giving them though, hopefully I'll be more confident in time so I can pay people back for all the help they've given me ^-^ Yeah - I dunno, I see her as a girl all the time, it's just that I wanted to do a picture that kind of...nodded to the fact she's transgender without making it a big deal. :3
Bwaaaaaaaa, shush! *laughs* But thank you!
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She hasn't got boobs for good reason. *laughs* I wanted to draw fanart of Vivian that acknowledges the fact she's transgender without making it the main point of the drawing. (The main point being, of course, that Vivian is a freaking awesome character who deserves fanart. I adore her.
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shes a transgender????!!! WHAT!?!?!
i knew birdo was but VIVIAN!!!
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Yup. ^_^ I've got to say I was surprised, but I love it when games have LGBT characters even if the censors decide it's not 'appropriate'... *le sigh*
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whats weird is... birdo is a transgender, and yoshi is supose to be going with her (him). That would make yoshi a weird gay fetish character 
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Not really. *laughs* I mean, I'm not sure if birdo is transgender or a crossdresser*, but either way it doesn't make the Birdo/Yoshi thing weird. If Birdo's transgender, that just makes her Yoshi's girlfriend. If Birdo crossdresses, that just makes Yoshi gay. Either way they're adorable together.
*Which makes knowing which pronouns to use confusing as hell. I'll just trust in 'she'.
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its insane that this is coming from nintendo, which mario is supose to be a family based franchise
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I don't think so, you know. What's wrong with having LGBT characters, after all? It's like saying kids shouldn't know that gay and trans people exist. xD
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Japan is actually mature with or expresses the issue to their kids unlike America. Hell, they even had lesbians/gays in shonen (ages 10-14 in Japan) media like Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon. This would be an interesting subject to talk about with my Gay Straight Alliance Club this week.
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Yeah, I wish America and the UK weren't so touchy about media containing stuff like that. It confuses me to think that in this day and age, having a gay or transgender character in a game is still considered as something that renders it un-'family-friendly' and therefore must be censored out because THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
(Makes me laugh the way they tried to censor out the relationship in Sailor Moon by making them COUSINS. Suddenly everything looks ambiguously incestuous and for some reason that's more okay than them just being two girls who like eachother.)
It is pretty interesting to see how different countries do things in terms of how they treat LGBT stuff.
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It's probably silly of me to be commenting on this comment a year late, but Electrical-Socket, you're awesome. .w .
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Oh no no, trust me, I still get comments on earlier things than this and I don't mind one bit! And thank you so much! uvu
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what ever dude, its just a little weird to me
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Ah, we're not as weird as you might think, I promise! *laughs*
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suuuuurrrreeee.........
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What? *laughs* Do I really seem that odd as a person? xD
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Thank you very much! I don't see much Original!Vivian - I love the fact she's trans female in the Japanese game and it sucks that they censored that detail out in the English translations. Yeah, now you point it out....it's a shame it's a sketch drawing, or I'd run in there and fix it. *laughs*
Thank you again for the amazing comment (and for watching me!), it's always really nice to hear what went well and what I could have done a little better. It's really appreciated!
(Aren't they an utter pain? I know better than to take them on now, they just murder me.)
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Yeah, I agree. It's sad that they removed such depth to her character. But nonetheless, she's still probably my favorite partner in the game xD
And you're welcome
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Indeed...but yup, she's still awesomeness incarnate and such a useful (and adorable!) partner. ^_^
Oh, you're welcome! You've drawn plenty awesome stuff, so even if I rarely comment know that I'm lurking and enjoying. *laughs*
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Vivian is only a he in that Jap version. All traces of such were removed and her gender was changed to female in the Eng version. So if you pkayed the Eng version, she's a GIRL.
Love the pic, the sketchiness, and the BG is flawless. C:
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Thank you very much! I'm glad you like the background
Again, same correction as I just made for - Vivian isn't a 'he' in either version, she's transgender rather than a cross-dressing character so she takes female prounouns. ^-^
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It looks exactly like Twilight Woods C:
Lol, she's physically a "he" in the Jap version, and nothing besides a she in the Eng version. But either way she's technically a "she", just MORE so in one game d:
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*laughs* Ah, s'cool, you already know then. I love that Nintendo aren't touchy about having trans characters, even if the people in charge of translating and editing it are. *sigh* Although, Goombella's English Tattle about Vivian surprised me. Although that might just be me reading too much into it! xD
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Yeah I do lol. C:
Just like Birdo was a crossdressing male in SMW 2, but is now a girl~
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I know! It's even better that Birdo and Yoshi are officially a couple - am I weird for finding that adorable?
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Nom I love it, it's dinolurv <3
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Dinolurv is the best lurv!
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COURSE
(Random note, but I'll always consider Viv a girl, cuz I grew up on girlviv and not maleviv~
AAAND DAYZEES. NO. HATE. If they get you asleep they MURDER YOU.)
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(I could never see her as anything else - would be kinda hypocritical of me if I was like 'NU SHE WAS BORN MALE SO I SEE HER AS MAAALE' anyway xD also she has no lower half excuse me while I try to figure out the primary sex characteristics of a being with no lower half...
Damn Dayzees. I got slaughtered by one, never trusted the damn things again. Still, I'm Crazy High Level now so I could prolly take 'em >:3 )
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Yup lol
You either get brutally slain in your sleep, or they run away XD
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Thank you. ^_^
She's not a 'he', actually. She's a male-to-female transgender character, which makes her 'she'.
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Well it says in japanese version that "she" is actually a boy D:
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The idea is in the Japanese version that she's a trans girl. ^-^ Goombella, for example, acknowledges her as female at the end of the game. (Or so I read, I'm not capable of reading Japanese yet so I'm trusting the people who can.)
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Now I'm all confuzzled. I do believe that in the Japanese version she's physically a male but prefers to be referred to as female (description as a follower is ""One of the shadow group, Vivian appears to be a girl but is really a boy", American version she's a female, and Italian version she's a post operation male-to-female.
I wish they hadn't changed it for different countries and just kept the Japanese version. It gets so confusing this way. ._.
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Same, same! I don't understand why censoring it was necessary - it's like Birdo all over again (Although, admittedly, Birdo has a bit more ambiguity. Is Birdo transgender or a cross-dresser? We may never know...At least Vivian is pretty clearly a transgender woman who identifies as female 24/7.) Oh, America.
It's funny how much controversy she still causes, though. Like, why can't the Paper Mario fandom settle down about gender debate and just universally agree that Vivian is a total sweetheart?
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That sounds like a good plan, haha. Really, it's not like her gender makes any real effect on the game or her personality. Also I forgot deviantart was a thing again. That usually happens.
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Ahaha, I did wonder where you vanished to when you never replied! Nice to see you back again.
And quite, quite. I look forward to when there can be characters like Vivian in games and there's not so much of a fuss kicked up, definitely.
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Thank you! I felt really sorry for her having to put up with Beldam - I think the only thing I didn't like about the end of TTYD was hearing that Beldam had magically given up teh evulz. It just didn't seem like her, and I can't imagine Vivian going back to her. o_o
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Yeah think its a bit odd
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Very odd...I'm kind of wondering if it was different in the Japanese version? 'Cos Beldam's hating on Vivian in the Japanese version seems to be based on the fact she's trans anyway...maybe Beldam finally accepts her or something. It would make more sense xD
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I'm thinking that too.
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Haha that is really odd, they are like ghosts
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