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Jason Todd has pursued the assassin Red X deep into Umbrella's new facility where they are boosting the effect of of the Animus Machine. Jason goes after Red X after fleeing a scene where he could've killed Hit-girl but didn't. He finds him in a simulation buffer and talks him down from going further into his psyche, convinced he can still come back from where he was.
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This is kind of lengthy.
Okay first off, i do like the the first approach Gotham had with making the show about Jim Gordon, the good cop in the corrupt city. That's fine and that is in my opinion the way to go and what i'm thinking would be great for a show.
Difference being the main character in this show would actually have been Alfred, us getting into his MI6 past, how he met the Waynes and decided on serving them as their Butler, and now that they are dead is defending with vigilance, Bruce and his fortune from the vultures and old enemies in Gotham that would lay prey to them both; The Cobblepots, the Sionis', the Maroni's, the Thorne's. ALso the danger of those within Bruce's company who want to snatch it and his legacy right from under the lad.
Gordon is the other main character, same as FOX's show, the Police detective wanting to make a difference, realizing that the good cops in this city either turn, or are basically hostage here under a corrupt system they serve under because of their loved ones being in danger.
Barbara isn't going to be a Jacklyn the Ripper, she's actually going to be the daughter of an ex chief now politician, who honestly has bought into the jive that this is HOW things are, and have to be, and to think of a better cleaner system is foolish....and who also isn't aware of just how bad things are.
Bullock being somebody who honestly is a bully, and buys into labeling and segregation, and we find out the reason why isn't cause his hearts in it, it's because it's the only way he feels like a cop anymore going after people who are guilty, he knows he lumps the good with the bad but at least he gets the bad and he's too washed up to care for the things he's had to do.
The Cobblepots are arrogant Lannister sons of bi**'s, who've always hated the Waynes and what they've done to get in their financial ways before. Their son is an outright prick of a manchild brat teen, Oswald.
Lisa Tompkins and Luscious are essentially the middle bridge that bring the factors of Gorden's story and Alfred's together. Luscious Fox having known both Alfred and Thomas Wayne from their GI days where Thomas Wayne was a young talented Army surgeon, Alfred was a British special forces he patched up and saved the life of, and Fox being the young Tinkerer Inventor in the Bomb defusing squad who befriended both. When they came back to the states together, Thomas had this dream to build his fathers company to be even better because of this ideal he had about giving the next generation a better chance and a fighting in a world that will always have darkness to face (a running theme of the show).
Lisa Tompkins will actually be romantically involved with Lucius at one point, and is of course a personal doctor of Bruce's and a friend of Martha Wayne.
(Martha Wayne was once fought over by Thomas and one of Maroni's son's. Think the Mask of the Phantasm where Andrea Baumont's father father was in deep with the mob, and her marriage to his son was a way to get her out of that. Thomas essentially swooped in and got in the way of that. Maroni's have hated him since.)
THE SCHOOL:
As for little Bruce, we get into him and his life getting over the death of his parents in his private school. His best friends that help him through this are Harvey Dent, who's father was an attorney for Thomas Wayne at one point, and Tommy Elliot , an acting major and son of a fellow doctor in his Father's class, and ironically named after him cause he evidently "Held Mr. Wayne in such high regard. These three boys are the self proclaimed "three musketeers" of the school.
Thomas and Harvey will be the shoulder devil and shoulder Angel to Bruce who for most of the show will be the sponge who observes everything around him while dealing with things, and you know he's paying attention to every detail looking for something. Harvey is the Charismatic kid who pushes to stand up for what's right, and knows how to sway a room or at least get part of it to agree with him to take a stand on something. He's the one who talks Bully's out of getting in a fight, and saves Bruce that way once. He's who motivates Bruce to have hope and to pursue what's right, saying "You NEVER need a motive, to do the right thing. You shouldn't need a reason to be virtuous, that's the point of virtue."
In a later episode though he's going to snap for something small and lay into a consistent harasser of him and be called into the office for beating him even when he was unconscious.
This will be our segway into how much pressure and torment he's under at home, as it will be revealed in the show that his father, was actually verbally and emotionally abusive to him, even physically by way of beating, and that it's his fault that his mother's dead (she died in child birth.) This will be one of Bruce's ways of discovering how many people wear masks in his life, and how deep corruption stemmed. Finding out that a good many people who his father associated with are bad people, and questioning whether it's inescapable to turn out broken or dark himself.
The Shoulder DEVIL version of this, who shows the same thing from another angle will be Tommy Elliot, another dear friend of Bruce's. Harvey's the smart one, Tommy's the "clever one." He's talked Bruce out of problems, in a different way, using deception as opposed to logic and is an exceptionally good liar. He's even forged a teachers name to get him and Bruce and Harvey out of a jam they get in in one episode. When they get away with it he says "You'd be surprised how easy, and liberating it is to pretend to be someone else."
Ironically the three relate we find out cause they all have parental issues, and if anything the two boys envy Bruce at having actual GOOD parents. Bruce being disillusioned that all parents , and all people are inherently good.
He's very flowery worded, and one thing Thomas will say when he's confiding in Bruce is that for a long time, he wished he were him. He's named after his dad after all cause he seemed to love him more than he loved him. He did love that Bruce dad was a surgeon, being able to fix things that shouldn't be fixable...seamlessly, like someone who touches up a ruined work of art, or duplicates a master piece, cause the ultimate portrait is the human face, the thing that holds their soul.
At one point when Bruce is feeling down on himself and rejecting Tommy's attempts to cheer him up cause he doesn't understand, he still has his parents, Tommy says this about his dad while getting in his method acting zone:"I always wanted to do that, to be like him, I respected him, envied him...resented him too."
Bruce:"What? For what he saved your dad from a car accident."
Thomas:"I know...that's why."
Bruce:"...What the hell are you talking about?"
Thomas:"Look at Harvey...Bruce, look at all those times he's lied to us about falling down the stairs, or tripping out of bed. We still have our parents but you had good parents, alright, you STILL have Alfred Bruce. None of them would cheat on your mom while she's in a hospital bed, and remarry before she's hardly in the ground. You shouldn't feel sorry for yourself or think we have everything just cause we still have a mom and dad cause the truth is...damn it , your parents aren't the one's that needed to die Bruce."
Bruce:"Tommy how can you even say that!"
Tommy:"...I'm sorry, you caught me in my method acting acting zone. Just remember that...there are some people you shouldn't save Bruce, it'll bite you in the ass in the end."
Now Selina Kyle, she will also be involved in the story. However she won't be a little cat Burglaress who sees and befriends and woo's Bruce. She's actually going to be befriend and crush on Harvey Dent.
She's going to break into his house and he's going to catch her and let her go cause he saw her being beat up and looking homeless in the street.
When he meets her again she asks why he let her go and he says he believes she did it cause she had to, and he thought he could help her not have to do it again. When asked how he knew she'd be back , he says it was a 50/50 chance.....then reveals he has the lock pick she had dropped. "I'm also not an idiot, this is evidence."
She teasingly asks if he's going to try to rehabilitate her, and it goes back and forth. Through this relationship was see the melting heart within the law, and the side of crime that has learned to enjoy it because....what option is there. And Dent sees how some people do this out of desperation and desperate circumstance, while she learns not all people of the 1% are stuck up people who only care about themselves.
Also they both have abusive dad's. Hers saying that him hurting her or her mother hurts him more than it hurts them. Making her believe for the longest time love is supposed to hurt, so never to trust it.
For a while he attempts to actually do something to save her from her circumstance, even trying to suggest something to Bruce if there's anything his company or pull in it can do about her neighborhood or the law. But towards the end ish portion of the season she's going to run away from home when her mother dies, and she refuses to be left alone in a house with her father, particularly when she's maturing. She says goodbye to Harvey though, and kisses him once , saying that stray cat's always end up on the first fence they liked, he'll see her again. Then she vanishes.
She'll be back in later episodes though of course.
For the rest of the school we meet.
There's Johnny Crane who's going to be basically Haley Joel Osment's character from Sixth Sense, who your going to feel sorry for. His mother was committed to an asylum, and has anxiety like she did, and attends this fine educated school because of the grant from a cold unfeeling uncle who only wants the Crane Legacy to live on and holds him up to high standards, as opposed to caring a thing for the boy. He's also the natural prey of the bullies in this school.
In one episode which will be right before the Halloween one,
he's about to be stuffed in a locker, at one point, and Roman Sionis, son of Nero Sionis tells the bully to stop (and when he wants something he typically gets it due to who his father is), and they do, and he looks at the look in Crane's eye of panic and fear and vulnerability. And then says "carry on..." this one's weak. He's a budding sadist, what can I say. He just watched from that balcony stairway with the other big boys, like lions looking over all the deer bellow them.
Right as he's stuffed teary eyed into the locker, a miracle happens. A mouse crawls out of it and makes the big jock of a bully scream higher than anyone's ever seen him do. Such a big force of nature brought low by little creature...
Everything clicks to him. Fear is the ultimate mover, and preying on the fears of others, it's the luxury of the strong...what's more powerful the predator or the prey that makes the predator flee when it spreads its wings to look bigger? People pick on him cause they GET to, like a privilege, anything lower on the food chain exists their at the whim of the apex predators...reverse that though, and the law of the jungle is unforgiving. Now he's going to do what his unfeeling uncle has told him since he was crying when his mother was committed, and cowboy up, and MAKE his own luck.
That Halloween he's put in charge of the house of horrors...and he shows his talent in it, it's terrifying, AND fun to boot. But he has specifically designed it to be a nightmare maze, for the jock who made his life hell. Now it will be a labyrinth of horror he won't escape from. All that week up in until that point, he does little psychological things to play on his fears, mice noises, mouse traps in places he goes, then taking them away so he thinks he's seeing things and no one believes him. He's studied psychology and he's going to make him SUFFER for all the times he's been made near catatonic due to him.
He also finds out through digging by Thomas Elliot that this Jock's hench thug has always coveted the jocks' girlfriend. He convinces him to help him play a ghoul rat, in the house of horrors to show how spineless 'her man' really is. He has inferiority complex and agrees, like Crane suspected. He's never had such a rush by being clever like this.
Crane does what the Disneyland Honey I shrunk the audience does, with gusts of air to feel like mice crawling past your leg, or along your back. Surround sound noises of rats in the tunnels. Shadows and sillouettes of rats realistically running by against shadows on the wall. The guy is panicking and freaking out to the point of tears, when originally he just wanted to chase Crane through the maze....but this is HIS world. It finally becomes so bad that when his lunky dressed as the rat bursts out at him , he takes out his knife and stabs him. Not fatally though, thankfully.
Naturally the night is called off, and he's sent out of school and away. Crane watches from the window as he's taken off in a car, him getting away scott free, taking in everything he accomplished and more...registering pride and guilt...till finally Harvey taps his shoulder and says "Hey Crane...you okay?"
Crane:"Oh, yes, uh, just can't believe he's actually gone."
Harvey:"Yeah, you seem kinda happy about it."
Crane:"I'm sure you would be too if you were put through half of what I was."
Harvey:"...yeah, I'm sure I would."
Crane:"If you'll excuse me i have homework to study on, and I think you do to...wouldn't want to disappoint your dad." Which stings as that's a sore spot with him, and Crane knows it, he's learned the art of hitting nerves. He looks out over the balcony stairs at all the students bellow him remembering the words about the apex predator and the prey.
Bruce will befriend a girl towards the end of the Season actually, a foreign exchange student, by the name of Nadia Assir, an exotic tan beauty who's father is on business here with what she says is "international headhunting." She's hit on instantly by the other boys, especially a a blond haired blue eyed transfer student from Star City, but Bruce swoops in acting a gentlemen like he was raised to and rescues her from their blatant fauning and ego-sploitations. Ollie Queen rolls his eyes in a huff. (last we see of him in the show).
Nadia relates to Bruce in that her mother was taken from her when she was smaller than Bruce, but she remembers. Even with her father there it is not the same. He has trained her vigorously and she relishes aptitude so it's just as well, they relate on that front as well. When asked how long she'll be in Gotham, she says till her father's work is finished, she was in England last year, and before that Egypt.
I'll ask you if you want to hear more, and also if you can guess who she is.
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Sorry for the late reply. I just got around to reading all that.
Sounds pretty good. Well thought out.
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Alright. Well as you may have guessed, Nadia is actually Talia Al Ghul.
One episode we'll be getting into Bruce finding out about a grant program his father put on for foster system kids because of his maxim of helping those who won't have fair chances otherwise.
Bruce visits it with Alfred and sees the state of the foster care place, and he and Alfred make arrangements to keep the fund from being taken away and used to line the pockets of the board members.
Alongside this, Gordon is trying to crack down on what he suspects is actually selling of humans as opposed to "merchandise" as a cover up. One of the leads he gets is someone who abused his daughter for years after his wife who's now in a ward somewhere.
That daughter is in the foster system Bruce visists, as shut in as she is, she's a genius with numbers as well as the chemical table and dna study as she spends her time in the worn out library of the place keeping it up, and tending to the plants there, that she talks to. In her words "Her friends (The plants) were the only ones who ever really loved her, or listened to her, or never hurt her."
The episode ends with Gordon getting her dad to turn evidence and Ms. Pamela Lillian Isley to get the grant to learn at a proper school for biology and botany.
In later episodes the trafficking racket , which Nero Sionis is involved in behind the scenes, will play an antagonistic roll to Gordon, and at one point nearly successfully kidnap Selina Kyle off the streets.
As he uncovers more of this, like the movie End of Watch, it becomes harder and harder for Barbara to be in denial about how rotten the city is, and that maybe her politician father may be wrong about "The way things are, are the way things are."
One case Gordon comes across, unearths a cold case from a year or two ago from before he was a Detective in Gotham. This cold case involves the last recorded trafficking case in the tristate area. Basically a liqueur still shack used as a front for what was actually going on. From how it looked, someone kicked the door in, shot and brutally murdered everyone inside, customers, owners and merchandise like, and vanished, somehow avoiding the dragnet surrounding the area.
In doing his detective Mojo he concludes this epiphany, the murders weren't committed by a dissatisfied customer or vigilante, but by one of the merchandise, to which he is told is insane. He defends the standing that the bullet wounds and bullet holes match up with someone being as small as preteen firing the gun as opposed to eye level, that he turned on the gas to the building, first to effect those inside, and set it on fire with him in it. It was raining that night so it didn't stay on fire for long, but that he crashed out the window using someone else to break his fall and ran. As for how he vanished, Haley's circus was passing that year.
Bullock:"SO your saying a kid escapes, burns the building, kills everyone in it, gets away and joins the circus?"
Gordon:"That's exactly what i think."
We don't know who this kid is other than suspect 0 for most of the series.
In addition to all this there is a notable smash and grab man for hire, he's been in the system many a time, used to be a pro-baller , which he ALWAYS brags about, and berates his men, and especially his son about it. His name is Charlos Nashton, his son, Edward of 14 years, is a savant hacker, who he utilizes to help him pull big jobs and be ahead of the cops, even though his father verbally and physically harasses and demeans him.
They end up taking Thomas Elliot as a hostage when he's a witness to a robery and Elliot literally talks his way out of it, first to his son, who he gives a moral booster for how he's been treated, and then to his thugs giving him enough time to escape. The last component was that he was trusting Edward to let him get away, which is why he got inside his head first.
Luscious is trying to make sure that Wayne industries R.N.D. division isn't being sold out for black market ends, and faces threat from all sides for doing so, as teh Cobblepots have been coveting it for a while. He gets hurt and nearly killed and stuffed into a van but he's saved by ironically a passing woman who not only has a permit to carry, but is physically capable of roughing up people as well.
She then takes the man to her place to stitch him up cause she is a doctor, her name is Doctor Lisa Thompkins. They have a romance throughout the series from that point on.
Two people under Luscious Fox, are a brilliant, very young scientist transferred from Alaska. He's a bit of an extrovert but he's doing better about it now, though he's still socially awkward in terms of working cohesively with others. The ticks he has , will turn out to be from seeing his sister die due to a wolf attack, he blamed himself for not stabilizing her in time for the medical people to get there. His name is Victor.
The other person is another gifted genius, she's red headed spirited woman who seems to have no concept of personal space and is the one person mentally up to par with Victor. She constantly irritates him and actually gets him to come out of his shell by the fact that she proves some of his hypothesize wrong, and they argue like Merry and Pippen eventually over little things, which she finds fun. Her names Nora. One thing she tells him quite a bit is "But you can't tell me what to do."
Later in the seasons, the Cobblepots attempt to steal some breakthrough's from Wayne's labs for an over seas benefactor who wants their break through's in cold fusion reactoring.
They take hostages and Victor instinctively gets in front of his lab Partner Nora.
Charlos Nashton and his gang are part of this merc team. Victor is able to trick them into the testing room where they experiment with Liquid nitrogen and freeze them in there, but not before they open fire. He ends up getting shot getting in the way of Nora.
When Nashton escapes to where the Van where his should be waiting with his son inside (he hacked them in), its not there anymore, but his crossword puzzle book that he's always working on is.
The police grab him and take him away. They start interrogating him about what he knows , and when he denies things, they say in the crossword puzzle book, coded, are names of his compatriots, employers, his years of service, his bank account numbers...all the evidence they need to put him away, they just need him to sell out his big fish employers. Meanwhile 14 year old Edward is behind the wheel of the van smiling to himself with the money from their previous heists. His laptop in the passengers seat has his picture being put on a fake ID , under a fake name under a submission to a University in Gotham State. "How's that for the big time pops..."
Victor is rushed into an ambulance on a gerny and Nora is right next to him "Don't you ever do something stupid for me again, you idiot, you hear me!"
He just grins up at her and says "You can't tell me what to do." as the Ambulance doors shut.
Hugo Strange , who is a psychiatrist of Harvey Dent's actually, works for Jeremiah Arkham and has suspicions on some nefarious dealings at the Asylum (not that he isn't nefarious himself, he just sees an opportunity to advance himself.
Suspect 0 , who thus far we've only seen in flash back of Gordon's Hypothesis, has been in shadow, and we've never seen his face properly. Heard him snicker yes, but not his face.
Later in the series, we meet him again though, when Anarchy and his hoodlums rob a bank , likened to Inside Man. Anarchy will be a son of a Supremist nationalist domestic terrorist, and then when he was arrested, adopted into the house of a rich man who swindled people out of their wealth, and only adopted him for publicity. As such, he hates Bruce's family and those like his, and ironically Bruce is in this Bank with Alfred, and Alfred is shot.
The bank plan is brilliant though as Anarchy is no fool, and even has someone who knows first aid and is a drop out from a medical school who can tend to Alfred.
Suspect 0 however is one of his lacky's. If you've seen the movie Hostage, think of Ben Foster's character Mars. Like the rest of the henchmen, He wears the same white mask and Red hoodie, but we know who he is by the fact of how he acts. Like heath ledgers Joker at the beginning of Dark Knight, tilting his head, acting with his shoulders, phsyical comedy.
leaning into the face of a hostage, before jerking at them and blurting out "BOO!" to make em jump. Doing a jig on someones desk when he's told to stand on it and shoot a camera. Basically the "Sure thing boss" type, who never speaks.
Bullock and Gordon try to talk down ANarchy as he makes his demands and of course preaches his speel.
By the end of the episode, they make all the hostages wear Masks and hoodie's like them and plan to make them and rush out.
There's gun fire inside before any of this and right before the police burst in , the hostages run out.
When they look inside, there are dead henchmen on the ground, but no Anarchy. They find an old pipe line that they evidently had been digging too like in Law abiding citizen for weeks, and so they follow it to the man hole it leads to, and next to it...the body of Anarchy....along with the bags of stolen money.
They wonder who shot him and why theydidn't take the money, not one dollar of it.
When they look over the security camera's, they find out that there was a shooting amongst themselves, and one of the anarchists were pushed over the railing. One of the perps shot a hostage to kill them, making another one fire on them. Bullock wants to close case it as, "they turned on each other the plan went north, they had to jump the gun and escape with half the money, two got away as the camera' show, and then they fight over who gets the money, he shoots his superior and takes some of the cash with him and runs scared. We'll pick him up soon enough."
Gordon isn't convinced. He looks in particular at the one we know to be patient zero. The way he acts, the way his body language indicates. He can tell he's more in control than he appears. Sure enough he's the one who pushed one of his compadre's over the railing, and started the shooting.
Gordon:"And i don't think we're going to find any of the money missing...and I don't think he shot his boss over an argument."
Bullock:"Well if he didn't have money or a bief with him, why do any of this? Why rob a bank and get nothing from it!?"
Gordon:"...why? Scary version, he just wanted to. For the experience of it."
We then cut to Suspect Zero still in his red hoodie, skippingd down an ally, with his mask on the ground behind him, as he suddenly starts dancing more and more energetically and finally bursts out laughing as he runs.
Almost done btw, what think you so far?
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Well.... it sure is a lot and I had to take a couple days to read all that but....
Wow. I like some of this. Like, everything is connected but not in a super forced kind of way.
You should try going into screenwriting.
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Oh i know this is allot and i thank you graciously for taking the time to suffer through it all >.<
I am actually looking to get into screen writing and am trying to get some sold.
There's an archery major and marksman Floyd Lawton who's a boarding school buddy of Oswald Cobblepot. There's also an incident where a fire is set in a building that Doctor Lisa Thompkins is in, and Roger Morris the fire Fighter goes to help save her from it. Luscious Fox meanwhile is trying to prevent the Cobblepots from succeeding in seizing the wayne budget for their weapons division, only to find out that Lisa's now trapped in a burning building blocks away and he still needs to win a case before a board of directors.
The Fire fighters save her and find out that the arsonist is actually a Latin boy, an escape' from the foster home Pamela Isley's from, his name is Garfield Lynns , wearing a lightning bug jacket. The boy is sent to juvi and Lisa is reunited with the now victorious luscious who speeds over to her building after winning the board over Cobblepot.
To end, the finale season/series.
The ever present trafficking ring that Gordon's been trying to put a stop to, comes to roost.
Bruce Wayne's school is hit in a domestic shooting, which as it happens is a distraction, no one is harmed , just frightened and two children are abducted. Those children are Bruce Wayne and Nadia Assir (Talia).
They are both in the wind and in the custody of a cartel , held for ransom, like in Man on Fire.
Alfred of course is devastated and all his war guilt is flashing back along with the promises he made to his best friends; Bruce's parents.
He comes to the school in the Rain, demanding details, Gordon tries to calm him down saying that they'll do everything can to get him info as soon as they know something for sure. The other parents are making sure their kids are okay, and accounted for. Gordon directs Alfred to the only other parent to have reported not finding their child.
Alfred walks into the rain again to meet Mr. Lazarys Assir (Ras Al Ghul), he greats him and gives him his condolences for his charge being stolen too, calling him by name. They talk and realize that their children are the ones each other's have told them about.
Later he pulls Alfred aside into his private car, and he tells Alfred that he knows as well as he how this is going to go, the moment that phone call is made they'll have the upper hand and have both Bruce and Nadia in the boarders of whatever place is harboring them, given the preparation and organization of the hit like this. Also they understand there's little chance of them getting them back even when they pay. He says he knows ALfred knows this because he looked up his past. He apologizes but he makes a habit of investigating anyone close to anyone connected or interacting with his daughter. Alfred understands the precaution saying that he imagines he must have many enemies then to be this paranoid. Lazarys approves of his wit and nods saying he does have many enemies, on a more international level, but not that different from the many the Waynes have....and perhaps going back a bit longer then the wayne's rivalries. He has an idea of who did this and he's assembling a strike team to try to get them back, they can't inform the police because he like Alfred (and gordon, unrelated) suspect a leak in the department, and he doesn't want to wait for the red tape of any response team to figure out they're no longer in the country.
He tells Alfred this out of courtesy because he is a soldier and one who's character he approves of, and is of course the other parent figure who's lost a child in this, and as this is potentially one of Ras' enemies, he feels responsible. He wants to know if Alfred wants to be on the team to go and get their children back, as soon as they have confirmation on where they are, they'll leave first thing. Alfred agrees after fact checking.
Bruce and Nadia meanwhile are on the freight headed to..... Santa Prisca , that's right.
They're able to come too and look out the crack in their box to a window outside. Bruce makes sure Nadia is alright first, and she says she's fine, keeping her composure. Nadia says they're nearing Santa Prisca waters. Bruce asks how she knows, and she says "my father makes sure i know my geography..."
Bruce also says he's guessed what kind of abduction this is, as he's looked into it since he realized that kidnappings happen and there's little the cops can do regarding the amber alerts. This one stinks of a high class one, with a big buyer behind it, and he thinks the Cobblepots or Sionis' either helped forward this to some degree. Nadia says she thinks it could be one of her fathers enemies but that makes sense if it was some how both correct. However she thinks it isn't a foe of her fathers who TRULY knows how resourceful he is , he became very unforgiving after he lost her mother. Bruce says regardless they can't wait for him to put them straight or swoop in and save them, they need to think of how to get a message out or get out themselves.
Cutting to the Santa Priscan shore , we're in a prison yard, where guards and prisoners alike are cheering as if they're watching a cock fight.
There's a young teenaged boy just finishing lifting a Rottweiler over his head and bringing it down hard on a rock. He's covered in scratches and bites. The prisoners go wild.
He looks up at them and yells "This is what you wanted! That's right, yell! I made you lose your money going to do something about it? Some boy from your gutters just killed your guard dog in a fight! Who's weak now! Who's the strongest now!"
He's lead back to his cell where his teddy bear sits across from him on his bed, he says a Rosary and a woman prisoner throws something against his wall and says "Shut up ya little bastard. Why don't you keel over like your mother did...just die in here like her and do the world a favor...I lost 40 on you you tramp."
I haven't gotten it figured out but i know that through , sheer luck and happenstance of course, but also their resourcefulness and wit, Bruce and Talia successfully figure out a way to get out of their confinements and find each other, and now its only a matter of stealing a prison truck and leaving the camp.
The child who is obviously Bane, meanwhile is planning his own escape and has packed Brass knuckles into his teddy bear, composed of his rosary and other things, and also a few home made shivs.
All three children are individually planning to escape that night into morning.
Meanwhile the chopper taking Ras Al Ghul's mercenaries to Santa Prisca is nearing where its going to land, on the chopper with them is a tactile gear equipped Alfred Pennyworth, and the head mercenary, is a man named "Slade Wilson", who has a patch on his eye. My request is he be cameo played by Scott Adkins.
Ras himself is actually also along , he wouldn't just have underlings do this if it was his daughter on the line. But for appearances he can't be seen doing something like this, so he's disguised as some masked merc, but we the audience see who it is briefly before putting his scarf up.
Long story short, its a clusterfu** two part episode, the first part ending on them landing and starting the raid, the second part starting from there and show casing the mayhem ensues from a Prison break triggered by Bane and Talia, Bruce and Talia taking advantage of it to try to drive a military prison truck out of the yard beyond the wall. And Alfred and Slade and their men basically shooting up the cartel's place that's in league with the private prison, their scene being a like a more hectic version of the shoot out scene in John Wick. While the prison riot is like the mayhem that ensues in Kingsman Secret Service Church Massacre.
Slade's movements are swift, natural, and almost two easy like he's done this a million times before, at times not even looking where he's shooting. Alfred's hasn't done this in a while but isn't so rusty he can't be sharp, and the entire time is looking for Bruce and Talia's info.
Bane continues to duck through prisoners legs, jump onto/over peoples backs or shoulders, punch whoever grabs him with his brass knuckles, throw dust in the eyes of who ever gets close enough to him, disarms a guard with a gun, and uses the magazine to its full capacity with good trigger disapline until he's out and then uses it as a blunt weapon. When a dog bites his arm, he picks up the animal and uses it to crash through a window outside to the next story. Basically this kid is tough as nails and is done with this place.
Alfred and Ras are able to get to the area that Talia and Bruce are and rush to them securing them.
Bane however escapes due to the hole in the door made by the prison Humv that Talia and Bruce drove out with, and is running into the jungle. He knows there's a check point he'll have to cross to leave the the jungle into the next country, but he decided he'd either escape or die trying, even though he's exhausted and bloody.
When he gets there, he sees the last of the boarder patrol.....being run through the heart with a katana from a tactical gear clad ...Ninja? In fact, all the gaurds have been beheaded or run through with these ninja figures standing there.
"The Demon sends his regards...." the ninja says in Spanish.
Then they all look at the child standing in the road, staring at them. He staggers and readies himself to fight them as well.
They sheath their weapons "You came from there boy?" one of them asks. Bane replies "Si."
He tosses him a med pouch velcro'd to his side, and says "No one will stop you from fleeing boy. Go. And we'll be watching....thats very impressive ninyo..." And with that the League Ninja's vanish into the shadows of the jungle.
Bane stares for a while , shrugs it off, then runs pass the check point into the wild with the medpack.
Back home in Gotham, Gordon , using some tech actually "borrowed" from Luscious RND storage, busts the dirty cops, and the ones complicit in the kidnappings...and saves Barbara from Mr. Zsasz, someone that her father pardoned on orders from Nero in an early episode.
Bruce of course hugs Alfred teary eyed, and Alfred hug him crying as well. Talia hugs the mercenary who rescued her , when she thinks no one is watching, but Bruce saw, and heard him say an Arabic psalm to her, one she had told Bruce her father says to her.
When they get back to the states, everyone praises the return of Gotham's son. Mr. Assir has paid decently for publicity of his child's name being excluded from the PR , other than that she was found. Bruce later asks Alfred why Mr. Assir wore a mask to save Talia as opposed to coming as himself like Alfred did. Alfred asks what he means and Bruce tells him his reasoning. Alfred tells him, "Well I imagine , like me, nothing would come between him and personally keeping the most important person in his life safe. Why he went as someone else is because...well....masks protect us, they protect those who we want safe from what we do, and the wars we fight. He has enemies just like we do...but worser so...and he most likely doesn't want them knowing he's the sort of person capable of...evidently wielding an automatic weapon or sword like that."
Bruce:"Keep the enemy underestimating you?"
Alfred:"I believe so."
Alfred says good bye to (Nadia) Talia, and she kisses his cheek and says she hopes to meet him again, but now she and her father are going back to the desert, and she doesn't know when she'll be back.
Bruce says:"I'll call you, or i'll find you I know your name..."
She just smiles sadly, then has to leave.
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Pretty cool, dude.
"Keep them underestimating you."
I, too, am studying screenwriting at school.
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Fantastic!
In closing, Bruce is attending his graduation and has been chosen to give a speech upon being given an award.
The Cobblepots have been exposed for their fraudulent deals and police pay off's, and criminal over reaching to acquire Waynes company. Nero Sionis simply leaves State for New York with his son, and all evidence regarding him is burned, but his hold on Gotham has been laxed for now.
Gordon has successfully made a bust of those in the department complicit with the over seas kidnappers , and working with the human traffickers, and Barbara finally sees him for who he is, and her father for the sort of man he is. She even testifies against him in court making him lose his position. He curses her for it in court and she shrinks into James Gordon's arms as her fathers lead away.
Mr. and Mrs. Cobblepot are also taken to prison for their ties, and a spoiled man child of an Oswald screams and tantrums as all of their "things" and "possessions" are re-purposed and confiscated , and he is left with nothing while that "prat" Bruce Wayne gets to keep everything. He's never forgiving him for this, he knows it was his fault, his father should've had him killed when he had the chance. He ends up going on the street, and we're left with the implication he's going to sell drugs and guns there like a thug...working for a crime boss himself as a toady...but not for long, Cobblepots never stay down for long, and the only thing he didn't let the cops take was his "umbrella."
This is all happening at the same time as Bruce's graduation, and he gives his speech as we cut to differing parts of it, he talks about how he always thought his father was a good man, now he knows different. He knows he was a great man. Not because he was a god amongst men, but because he was he did gods work , as a man. He knows his father was sired from shady family and dealings as some of the tabloids who've tried to exploit their family name have said. He knows he may have kept company with Gotham's criminal elite. But for all intents and purposes, he did all of it while keeping his nose clean, and his hands dirty from all the dirt and blood he'd plunge his hands into to save the dying unable to help themselves. Because he knew that this world isn't a bright one, not anymore, its not a world , to quote many he's heard...made for those who work hard or are diligent. He was told it was for those who are willing to take, to do what it takes to get ahead. Well he believes that to be wrong, he believes the world of today is one that needs accountability, that needs help, a doctor, a friend, a protector, a neighbor. He believes, as he knows his father did, that the world belonged to those who were willing to put their own neck on the slab to save another man from the axe. To help each other out of the trials they see everyday , so that impossible odds were reduced to near impossible odds, and those to difficult ones, until finally...it trickles down to everyone who would otherwise be helpless...having someone to turn to. He believes that as he and his comrades are growing older and are ready to take the world and whatever it has to offer by storm, and be the Next DA, or head Surgeon...or movie star, or soldier...that they won't be able to do that by themlselves, somewhere along the line they'll need help. So how does he want to live his life? In a way that his father would've wanted, where he makes his lively hood, one of making sure those without the possibility of changing their circumstance...now have that chance. Be that link in the chain that stops that horrible maxim "That's just the way things are."
Everyone cheers, but we hear in the audience one person whispering "Give it his 17th birthday, he's going to start party boying and whoring up a storm."
Bruce, Harvey, and Thomas and their friends are all going to a famous Movie house Pizza place, owned by the former movie star who played the GREY GHOST.
On the way there, Bruce sees a homeless man being harassed by someone. He requests that Alfred stop the car, and he does. He gets out and tells the man to back off, the man does but not before spitting on him because "Entitled rich boy. No matter how happy everyone is their favorite son is back, no'll ever relate to him..." he just wipes the spit off his cheek and gives some 20's to the homeless man who says "Do-do I know you from somewhere, aren't you someone famous?" Bruce says "No."
He turns to go back to the car, and bumps into someone , making them drop something but they keep walking. He picks up what fell, its' a deck of cards.
Bruce:"Excuse me! Sir, i think you dropped these."
The owner of the deck turns to see Bruce, and for the FIRST time, we see the face of Suspect 0, clad in a blackish violet leather jacket, like a rocker musician or magician.
He looks at bruce a while then at the cards, then smiles at Bruce. Not Wickedly, in fact its friendly, but unsettlingly.
Suspect 0:"Thanks mack, I need these. I'll see ya around."
Bruce:"We'll see i guess...?"
The two part ways after shaking hands and vanish in opposite directions into the crowd on the side walk.
Bruce gets back into the limousine, and says "Alfred, I think I know the answer to that annoying question..."
Alfred;"What's that Master Bruce?"
Bruce:"The question:"What will you do with your life once you graduate. I'm going to take you up on that idea of traveling the world a bit..."
And with that we see the car drive off into the sea of traffic as sun sets, and a bat that was hanging upside down from a tellephone pole, spreads its wings and flies at the camera.
END SHOW
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Nice.
I feel like I just saw the best Batman prequel ever.
Hey by the way, I have a new drawing up. You should give me some feedback.
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On it!
And thank you!!!
Were it a show, I was imagining this guy to play Alfred,
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and him to play Ras Al Ghul in cameo
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Seems appropriate. Who would you cast as Nadia/Talia?
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Joey King , who i know was already her in TDKR, buts she's old yet young enough now
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If not her maybe Rowan Blanchard
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He's too old now but i was thinking Liam Aiken as Bruce Wayne back when i thought of the idea
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Heh, alright
In hindsight, I knew that if I didn't have Joey King as Talia, she'd be Selina Kyle.
I was seeing Sterling Beaumon as the manipulative Thomas Elliot , great child actor i've watched since LOST, i know he could nail a young Tommy E.
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I'd always liked the idea of Billy-Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, and in that vain, have Kwesi Boakye as the young debate team champ
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And Adrian Alsonso as the sneaky bugger Eddie Nashton
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And Theo Rossi as his thug ex army dad Carlos Nashton
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Roman Sionis would be this fucker, who played Young Victor Creed in Wolverine , Michael James Olsen
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Lance Gross would be Luscious Fox
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and Kristen Kruek as Doctor Lisa Thompkins
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and...honestly, i'm so impressed with his work, the kid from Gotham would be great as suspect Zero (Joker) for his facial cameo
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I really like the kid they have for Bruce Wayne.
It's odd. He's a kid, but he seems to be the actor that takes his role the most seriously. And not in a cheesy way.
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Me too, in my opinion him and Joker were the two best things about the show
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Well, I liked what they did with Jerome up until the end. When people start going mad for no reason because of him. That's just... dumb.
But I did like the misdirection. Mainly because Joker is supposed to be a mystery. Everything he was before Batman will never be confirmed because... well it doesn't matter to him. Bringing up the past will not do anything for him.
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Joker's past being a mystery was the main reason i had such a love hate relationship with Jerome in the show. Cause one, I was livid that they were giving Joker a concrete Backstory....and at the same time...he did such a bad ass unignorable job.
I then started to see the show as a sort of.........Smallville, but with Bruce, where Lex knows Clark at a young age, only it's Bruce knowing Joker at a Young age, and I thought:"Eh...this show has its head up it's own ass already in nearly every aspect including chronological canon and continuity...might as well enjoy it for the smallville noir it is..."
then they killed Jerome, right when he was becoming his Joker-est yet. It was such a stupid move. But saying that the actual Joker , the one Bruce will face someday , will take inspiration....from Jerome....hence making him a copy of an original...by this...contagious madness? That galls me. Like really gals me! Particularly when the writer of the show said "Do you think Joker was the first? Things in gotham are a legacy, a mantle..." And i was yelling at the screen "NO tHEY FU**ING AREN'T! THERE ARE SOME THINGS CALLED THE GENUINE ARTICLE! THE ORIGINALS! THATS LIKE SAYING "Do you think Bruce was the first pointy eared vigilante in gotham to use gadgets and strike fear into Gotha- YES HE WAS THATS THE POINT! HOW DARE YOU STRIP THAT FROM THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME OF ALL PEOPLE!"
and then i calmed down, as my room mates made me do.
So for me it's totally tarnished.
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But Lex Luther is a completely different kind of character from Joker.
There is no mystery or illusion of a demon around him. He's human and admits he's human.
We can know his past and him knowing Clark at a young age doesn't really hurt the dynamic. Hell, it strengthens it.
Joker does not WANT to know who Batman is under that mask because. Well. He doesn't care. His enemy is not Bruce Wayne. Not as far as he's concerned. So knowing Bruce at a young age kinda doesn't serve to bring any real tension.
It's one of the reasons I hated that they made him the Waynes' killer in the Jack Nicholson version.
So while I found Jerome to be doing an excellent job, I felt it wasn't worth it.
... But then they did the contagious madness thing. Which was much worse not only because it still robs something from the Joker but it's just so damn DUMB!
I get in Batman Beyond, there were a lot of thugs inspired by Joker but that's because Joker is the OG.
They seriously could've just let Jerome die and be done with it. Or maybe find some way to link him to the Joker. But not something as cartoonish as contagious madness.
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Which contributes to my again not finding the show worth it hardly at all as a thing , and it saddens me.
At least Flash is good.
Arrow....used to be good....
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It's worth it if they never bring up that madness thing again.
Because other than that, the plot is pretty good this time around and less focused on Batman fan-service (like the first season and pretty much what I initially thought Jerome was). It's more focused on the characters at hand and their struggles, while having a linear plot. I'd really suggest you give it a try. Because it's after Jerome's death and after that weird contagious madness scene, when the show stops being a complete mess and organizes itself. Trust me.
Arrow sucks balls now.
Flash is still great but it can easily fall into the same pit as Arrow if they are not careful.
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Sure. I can't stand what Heroes of Tomorrow has done to Vandal Savage
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I already didn't like Vandal Savage in his appearance in Flash. Mostly because of how fucking cheesy his intro was. All he was doing was cutting down some regular guys, but they shoot it in slow mo and play super epic music as if he's doing something totally awesome when it's like... "meh".
Then when he first meets Barry, he is just throwing knifes at Kendra. Barry easily stops the knives and Vandal some how just slips away. From just that experience he says they need to call in Oliver. It was a good call because Savage became more powerful later but Barry didn't know that was gonna happen. From what he had scene, he was dealing with a normal guy with good knife skills.
The rest of the episode(s) was just full of cheesiness. I'm getting quite sick of their wooden writing. Then Malcom, after yelling at Oliver to kill Savage (to protect Thea) decides to resurrect him. Why? Dunno, because they need to find a way to make Savage come back and since Malcolm is the go to villain... ugh. And I bet even after this, the team will still keep teaming up with Malcolm.
... But I haven't seen Legends of Tomorrow yet.
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Just know there's little redemption
Honestly, Arrow would've done much better to introduce Vandal Savage as who Ras Al Ghul was afraid of , and as the antagonist of this season as opposed to Damien Fucking Dhark.
It'd make more sense for him to be someone Ras would fear as an immortal without a need of a pit, and someone arguably smarter than him.
Also I'd of liked if he'd of been played by Jimmy Smitts from Dexter and Cain instead of the ass clown hey have.
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Oddly enough, Damien Dhark is the best thing about this season. Which isn't saying much.
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Oh no he is, he's just a bullshit insert.
One who is loving the hell out of his role and making it watchable, honestly all he needs is a cape. But all the same, i can't shake how this role he's playing as Oliver's bane and the fear of the League should be given to Savage.
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He's actually not the fear of the League. He's more of an annoyance/competitor. Ra's didn't speak of him with fear, he said they were rivals before and they went separate ways because Damian didn't get chosen to lead the League. It's pretty clear that Ra's doesn't see Damian as too big a threat but more of a failure to get rid of him in the first place.
Plus, Damian beat the shit out of Malcolm Merlyn. That's good in my book. Honestly, I don't care that they are making him more hyped than he is in the comics. I'm more annoyed that so far only one of the main villains of Arrow is an actual Green Arrow villain (and I hate him now).
And Savage is clearly a bigger threat than Damian, which is why they saved him to be the villain of the big crossover thing.
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Regardless of rivalry or fear, although the show seemed to be building up that Ras was at least concerned or intimidated by whatever Damien was planning, i feel it should've belonged to Savage.
If you'r going to have a villain that comes into town and walks over you and can't be stopped, have it be Vandal, someone that Oliver hasn't encountered before after dealing with Slade, and the League, and out do them.
Then he can graduate to being a main villain for EVERYONE to fight when the heroes unite the way Reverse Flash was, but worse, and segway into heroes of tomorrow.
I think honestly Felix Faust or someone who is a master of the arcane Arts would make sense for a heroes of tomorrow foe till then.
Damien beating up Malcom I'll take any day of the week, and him being a good guy now and working with the heroes...
Hell him BEING Ras Al Ghul at all.......is weighing on me and I don't like it.
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Vandal Savage was Flash villain that graduated a long time ago into a JL villain. Just making him Oliver's villain would be dumb. Making him the Legends villain is the right choice.
Oliver hadn't encountered Damian. He just heard of him. And at the end of the day, all Arrow villains end up doing the same thing. Trying to destroy Star City. So I really don't care that Oliver is getting walked on all over by Damian especially when in this universe, he's established as a rival for Ras. My only problem is that he's not doing anything different.
And barely anybody knows who Felix Faust is. Again, Vandal is the perfect choice.
Again, my only problem with Arrow is not it's choice of villain this season, it's just the writing. The script feels scripted. Nothing feels real. I am not being sucked into the story.
And the fact that Malcolm is still running around just urks me soooooooooooooo much. I don't care how good an actor Barrowman is, kick that character off the show. Even Agents of SHIELD knows when to give their sly, charismatic villain what's coming to him.
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....sorry but wasn't Captain Boomerang a Flash Villain that Arrow used first?
Whether or not he was Flash's foe first or not, they had their quota for main antagonist forces with Reverse Flash , Zoom, and now Grodd alone.
Vandal Savage is the perfect introduction to such a indomitable force into the DC show universe as the one that mortal man cannot beat, then, when Flash comes along, the one that the inhuman man cannot beat either, spiking in threat level as he goes as heroes continue not to stop him but honestly just survive him. That's the sort of potency Vandal needs to bring to the table and have under his belt for his introduction into these shows, not this....Jafar that can't die as he's being presented as.
Felix Faust is unknown yes, and honestly, allot of the people in either show are unknown, more then half of Arrow's foes are unknown, and have the disadvantage of not being as colorful as Flash's so they don't stick in the mind as much. Point is, if you wrote him right, gave him a good means of ruling everything and enough power, it wouldn't matter you'd never heard of him, he'd be ample foil for the Heroes of Tomorrow, considering the crap he's pulled off against the Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Hawkgirl and man. Heck, since they want to forcibly shove magic into how Vandal and Hawkgirl/man got their shtick's thats even MORE of a reason, given that Felix Faust is a deadly practicioner.
Get someone like Malcom McDowell (who you know would do it) to play him and boom, Heroes of Tomorrow has a non-sucky, charismatic villain to go up against.
The writing as you say, is the pits and the real stem of the problem...but the fact is, ever since they finished Slade's reign in Season 2 it took a severe nose dive. I hate how Slade is just a raging ball of "I'll get you for this kid!" rage machine and not the cool bad ass bounty men I know Deathstroke to be.
I thought I'd be getting a proper prominent threat from the League of Shadows....they teased us with that, then revealed that it was just Ras wanting early retirement really badly, and doing allot of really really stupid shit to see it through.
Like you said again, every villain of the Arrow series wants to destroy Star City, but here, I see a villain wanting to do more than destroy Star City so we don't have to tell the same Batman Begins trilogy bastardizing story again and again and again.... with Vandal you don't just have the city at stake, or even as the major end game. But the first step in taking the world by force, because....Vandal wants to. Kicks down Oliver's doors, hell, Ray Palmer's doors, takes what he wants, people love him anyway, and he intends to go further with his plans, literally not caring one way or the other what Oliver does or not to thwart him cause of how inconsequential it is in the long run.
"Do you realize how many idealists and crusaders have raised their arrows and swords to me? More then that head of the demon can attest to. And while I have no aspirations of purifying this world through...righteous deaths and judgement, I must admit, it IS in terrible shape.
Not just your city, all of it, the whole loud mess of a world....again, which is disappointing if you've lived as long as I. But like with any spouse, any child...any pet, you love them anyway don't you? Because they're yours. And I, I love this world Mr. Queen, dearer than you, or any of those many well wishers across the centuries could ever know, but love is harsh at times, and it is patient, as I have been. So know this Mr. Queen, I don't take this world because I have some ideal plan, or a wish to revolutionize or liberate, or because I've a personal grievance with you or anyone of your friends I may or may not have killed. I do it simply because....I feel like its time. Tea?"
Have him be the one to throw Malcom out a window after kicking his ass, after he attempts a brilliant plan to take down Savage. Have him be the one to hurt Felicity and honestly treat it like it was shame but really you should watch where you keep your toys where people are stepping.
Then when Flash comes along to beat him in a crossover, and everyone's thinking yeah! Kick his head in, he owns Flash, if not by his plan, by his prowess, even in fighting against him. No Magic staves needed yet. Have it be when he gets them that we go "Oh shit and NOW he has Magic....great."
Hell have him be the one to step into Faust's shoes as a villain, after the heroes of Tomorrow defeat him. Vandal collects his ashes , takes his enchantment documents, as will have been his plan all along cause Vandal's smart like that, and becomes the new threat of the Heroes of Tomorrow series.
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They had no time for that. And I'm not even complaining about that.
Arrow was dying, last thing they were gonna do was include the best villain for just an Arrow villain. It'd mean he'd have to stick around the entire season. Meaing Legends would need someone else. And Vandal is best for Legends. He'd have been cool for Arrow but it would've been too small for him. Legends is better for Vandal. I'd rather just let Arrow have Damien, who so far proves he's good enough since he is a villain on par with the past ones. And if Damien was a flop, then just let Arrow die. It sucks anyways. There's a part where Oliver literally is annoyed that he can't call Felicity "Oracle".
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I'm aware of that....the show's irrational complex of wishing it were batman's becoming more degenerative by the episode
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Yeah, exactly. And that's not the only thing degenerate about the show.
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And i don't hate Damien, I just feel like this was an opportunity for Arrow to create a villain too big for their show to handle and lead into the Heroes of Tomorrow with.
I mean, honestly Reverse Flash, as powerful and smart as he is, is a big enough villain to need multiple people to stop, and he's a flash villain.
I'd just like it if Arrow broke it's formula and had a big time foe that this time we're just glad they stopped as opposed to put down, and he gets away but your still thankful and count it as a victory.
I'm just saying Faust could've held the fort for the first adventure of Heroes of Tomorrow easily till he died either by their hand or Savages who felt it was time to take priority in the time line.
Damien Dark's a great foe, but he feels created and wasted on this show in one fell swoop.
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But Arrow will never break its formula. You know that. And putting Vandal into that formula would just ruin the character. So it's good they didn't use him.
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I have- ....had....the futile aspiration the show would actually grow and or mature, and you know....be good? Maybe even....progressively good? And Vandal would be a good start for that.
Flash was a good mold breaker fro introducing meta humans, the League was a good intro into other worldly powers, Vandal would be the introduction to the element of bigger fish there are in the ocean to face, and the need for more heroes to rise.
They wouldn't have to dumb him down (again...if they actually did anything well) to put him in Arrow, if anything it would feel like Arrow couldn't properly contain him, which would be the point of him there. It also brings the team to a sense where Oliver can't rely on his mortal whit and stubbornness to win the day, but maybe survive the day, it's a good humbler.
.....but, as you said, it's now apparent the show will never break it's mold, or even do that mold justice more than once.
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Vandal was an introduction to being the biggerfish. Malcolm said even the previous Ra's and Damien Darhk feared him. Now, I didn't think it was a good intro, but for some it was (mostly because some viewers just eat up what's thrown at them). That way he didn't seem to come out of no where when Legend's started.
... Come to think of it, he still feels like he came out of no where.
Plus, if Vandal did decide to be a villain for Arrow (and I'm glad he didn't because Arrow sucks), and he still was the bigger fish like you said... Oliver would die. Or at least fail. And to be honest, a lot of people get annoyed when they watch a show where the villain doesn't get some punishment by the end of the season (unless it's some sort of cliffhanger or if the villain is "charming" like Malcolm). And I'm already pissed that Malcolm is running around willy nilly. I almost felt the same about Captain Cold but luckily, they did it in a way that didn't make it look like Barry was letting him go.
If you ask me, Ra's himself was already a pretty big fish. And they ruined him.
But I see your point. There's nothing wrong with wanting a show to be better. It's one of the reasons I was so upset with season three of Arrow. I wanted it to be good so badly but it just wasn't.
It's a real shame actually.
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That's what I'm talking about. I actually enjoyed Arrow for what it was worth seasons 1 and a half (mostly due to Slade) till it got ridiculous, but i was still holding out that it would grow and become good/better.
Instead grade-A villains are coming out of left field, Ras was done horribly, and Slade has been reduced to being Mr. Rage Monger, and little else. Not the Hitman-of hitmen that I know him as, with his own code.
Flash thus far has satisfied with their hero, villains, and the arcs it does. The only thing I'm actually let down about in the Flash show so far is their casting for Iris.
I just don't feel her and Barry , nor their chemistry. I feel like they could've gotten Jessica Lucas or Meghan Markle to play here to have better timing with the actor, and idk, make them feel solvent?
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No worries, and no offense taken, and this was more actually him being like a handler down her path of redemption when she becomes a new addition to the team
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No no, I mean Nightwing looking down on DAMIEN
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Oh. Nightwing don't look down on people. Not in the comics anyway. Maybe in that animated Damian movie that was too lazy to put Tim in it.
Tim is the one that looked down on Damian.
Nightwing was one of the few that saw the good in Damian and became a mentor to the kid.
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I do remember that.
I often wondered while reading what it would've been like if TAS had gotten into Todd, or Black Mask, or Damien
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Well Jason wasn't revived during the run of TAS and Damian wasn't even written.
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I mean if the show had gone on long enough for it , or (my guilty wish) for the show to be brought back
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