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Got your attention? Good. Because this video [link] makes the same point as this deviation does.
So, if you bash this deviation, you're bashing the troops.
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You Made Them Strong. We'll Make Them ARMY STRONG.
What a crock of shit.
PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING REPLY I MADE, PRIOR TO MAKING YOUR OWN RESPONSE:
Dear Mr. ~1UFC-GeorgeStPierre ,
Thank you ever so much for your thoughtless and entertaining reply of "Janka PV2
United States Army Infantry
Dear TWarrior and all of you that decided to post against the military. The sad fact that 99% of u decided to not join the military, not just here but in the nation, 99 fucking percent decided not to..
U choose to fucking bitch about the men and women even some 18 year old boys made into men, that are fighting the bullets to let u even live here.
All of u are a shame to America and all the morals and values we stand for. Even if some recruiters have tricks and gimmicks, the army is a whole and functions as one no matter the asshole who gets us here.
We all train, we all end up with a gun, we all end up serving. I'm not sure what brought ur hate against our own army, but ur insulting the wrong brand of people pal. Ur the shit and bodies we drive over with humvees and put lead into. Ur the guy who doesn't deserve to live here.
Chances are u wanted to serve, but they turned u down after they found out u were gay.
Dear JWeeksUSArmy, ur not alone in the world of Patriots pal. I am requesting to fight in Afghanistan after AIT."
Thanks for taking the whole thing out of context. It is much appreciated. Trolls like you do serve a practical purpose, as your back peddling is quite amusing.
Thankfully, you're not the only hate monger to have made such assumptions and spewed such rederic, so -- I have other idiots to quote as well as my replies to them. All nice and pre-fab. Cool, eh?
I will start with !INVADER-ZYLA1 who so ignorantly stated in his reply "The army has been saving our sorry asses for years. You, my friend, are a crock of shit."
He got his ass handed to him when I responded with "Please tell these iraq war vets [link] that they are a crock of shit, too. seeing as they share my opinion. lets not forget the viet nam vets such as my dad and many more who agree with me. not to mention the over 150,000 vets currently HOMELESS and our government refuses to help them out. please tell all of these people how full of shit they are too. i'd love to see you do that
Of course, he got off the hook far easier than ~JWeeksUSARMY when he claimed "The Army isn't as much a crock of shit as you might think. I'm not going to get into a debate, but I will say this. Less than 1% of the people in the United States join any sort of armed forces that it watched over by the department of defense. You must be sick in the head if you don't think im god damned proud to serve." to which I responded "I am anti-iraq war. Not anti-soldiers. Right now, our government is wasting lives (among other things) in the persuit of profit.
My father agrees with me and he served his tour of duty in Viet Nam. He'd think you're sick in the head for daring to call me sick in the hear for being against a pointless war.
Also -- while you are at it -- check out these other soldiers: [link]
Make sure you let these guys know that they are sick in the head too. We obviously all need professional help for not being blood thirsty.
Defense I've got nothing wrong with. Soldiers I've got nothing wrong with. Wasteful loss of life -- this I have a problem with.
So go shoot some rounds into the air or something. It's better than acting as if anyone who disagrees with you is somehow sick / unpatriotic.
My father is both saddened and ashamed when he sees people like you talk this sort of dung.
I'll quote him directly -- "I risked my life for my country and my country betrayed us all!"
There are over 150,000 HOMELESS VIET NAM VETS RIGHT NOW. Go preach your bullshit to them and see what they think of it. Who is helping them? Those of the less than 1% who served. Those who bleed for this country -- and now they are homeless and abandoned by the very country they risked their life for.
Peach your pseudo-patriotic rhetoric elsewhere. You're nuts.
By the way -- how were you so sure that I never served? I didn't, but you're not a mind reader. You sure as hell didn't know my Dad served in Viet Nam. You also didn't know that my grand father served in World War 2.
So save your hate for someone who gives a fuck."
You of course, have earned a special seat of honor. As you've pretty much been the glue which has bound all of this together. Next hateful inbred redneck, trigger happy for a fight online because they'd shoot themselves in the foot with a real gun -- gets to simply get a paste of all of this, which I may even include in the artist details.
Now, lets get down to brass tax, shall we?
- it doesn't mater to you that my father served in viet nam and went through a hell you could never imagine. the fact that he agrees with me, make him your enemy.
- the veterans against the iraq war link i've given you. well, those vets -- in your mind -- are obviously a bunch of treacherous pussies. doesn't mater that they are your brothers and sisters in arms -- they have offended your ego and tiny penis, so -- they must pay with their own blood.
- there are over 150,000 vets homeless right now. seeing as you are a good little mindless sheep who believes everything the government tells him and you do as your told like a good little robot -- i am sure you do not see these homeless and disabled vets as being betrayed by our government. some how, some way -- obviously they got what they deserved. at least, in your mind they did.
- you just joined DA today and with nothing in your gallery, no favs, no nada -- your priority goal here is obviously to cause problems for people, not to contribute to the deviantART community. you will find your stay to be short and unpleasant. most people will ignore you. the rest (fellow trolls such as yourself) who have more balls than you do -- will make you regret having made an account here. then of course, theres the people like me. happy to laugh at you with gleeful enjoyment and take pleasure from your pain
What it all boils down to is: since daddy anally violated you as a child, you never ever get your way, you have pent up insecurities, a small penis and your testicles no longer function as they should -- the sudden realization that you are a waste of space on this earth, has you seeking redemption by blindly wanting to go off and fight a war you don't understand and with luck -- get yourself killed.
Well sir, I salute you! Go off now, good solider! Fight the good fight! Die the good death! The gene pool thanks you in advance, you inbred piece of dung!
This has been a public service message!
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Comments: 290
X1L0B01X In reply to ??? [2010-11-15 07:07:43 +0000 UTC]
you are a very smart/interesting person
the Gov is just corrupted. My state, picked the worst guy for governor, Arnold Swarcha something lol i cant spell but yeah the people picked an actor. x_x
I hope people realize this faster because all this is just wrong
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-15 07:53:37 +0000 UTC]
Thanks If you want people to wake up faster, you must wake yourself up faster. I think I'll leave this one to Chrsitan D. Larson:
"The way to control circumstances is to control the forces within yourself to make a greater man of yourself, and as you become greater and more competent, you will naturally gravitate into better circumstances. In this connection, we should remember that like attracts like. If you want that which is better, make yourself better. If you want to realize the ideal, make yourself more ideal. If you want better friends, make yourself a better friend. If you want to associate with people of worth, make yourself more worthy. If you want to meet that which is agreeable, make yourself more agreeable. If you want to enter conditions and circumstances that are more pleasing, make yourself more pleasing. In brief, whatever you want, produce that something in yourself, and you will positively gravitate towards the corresponding conditions in the external world." -Christian D Larson
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-16 03:05:00 +0000 UTC]
wow thats a good quote
I bet you read alot. ALOT!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-16 04:08:18 +0000 UTC]
I read and type because doing what i want to do requires it. But i hate reading and typing. Once we live in a star trek world hello voice command and goodbye keyboard!
I am much more and audio and video guy, as you can see from one of my youtube profiles with tons of documentaries and such on it: [link]
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-17 04:46:34 +0000 UTC]
haha
really? THAT SOUNDS SOOOOO COOL!! XD WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?!
Thats cool, i shall go check it out
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-17 12:52:33 +0000 UTC]
What was what like? I don't understand the question
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-18 08:08:14 +0000 UTC]
oh what was it like living in the star treck type thing?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-18 15:31:36 +0000 UTC]
Your question makes absolutely no sense, but i think whatever is on your mind can be appeased if you do a google search for keywords: "voice recognition software"
That software has a long way to go before its perfect. Google Transcription is a good example as to just now new and buggy it is. All good things in due time
But for now, how is the computer going to know the difference between me being a "free caucasian" or Halloween being a "freak occasion"? It can't yet know that I am being an "ass king" because I am "asking". It might get confused about "cunt trees" and "countries" or the fact that if someone has a foreign accent, when they "can't see" it might sound more like a "cunt sea".
So i dunno what its like to live in a world where that software works properly because no one has brought us there yet. If they had then I woiuldn't be using a keyboard right now
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-19 02:16:54 +0000 UTC]
lol im sorry
voice recognition? i like my technology simple. very very simple and basic x_X
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-19 02:46:14 +0000 UTC]
don't be sorry. as i said, difficulty is an illusion we create for ourselves. most tech is very simple. but because most people assume its hard, they make it hard for themselves and reject easy answers i've lost track of how many times my parents asked me how to do something and i'm like "just click here and do this, see?" but they reject it cuz their minds think theres no way it can be simple. EVENTUALLY when they get mad enough at themselves they accept the answer and then they feel stupid for not having listened to me.
But right now, its a human condition. We can either realize it is and do our best to break out of it and stop giving ourselves such a hard time -- or -- we can drive ourselves crazy by making assumptions and keeping ourselves assuming and ignorant.
So, what you decide to do is whatever you decide to do. Its your party, throw it however you wish. Metaphorically speaking
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-21 20:37:12 +0000 UTC]
ah okay
so your teaching your parents how to use the computer? im trying to teach my grandmother how to use it and well.. its not easy x.x
when i read "throw it" i thought you meant like lift it up and throw it haha i dont know why but i did!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-21 22:12:38 +0000 UTC]
more like tech support, not so much teaching. to be a teacher the student must be willing
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-23 07:10:54 +0000 UTC]
oooh haha ops xD
lol tis true xD if not its rather pointless to even try!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-23 10:04:23 +0000 UTC]
have you seen the updated version of this deviation?
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-25 07:43:36 +0000 UTC]
yeah i did
gov is messed up
how can solders still fight after this? x.x
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undertacker In reply to X1L0B01X [2011-03-02 20:15:49 +0000 UTC]
We fight for our country becouse we put that first and worry about ourselves later.11
OEF 10-11
10 MNT "the division that got sadam"
11B
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-11-26 21:44:13 +0000 UTC]
Kissinger is a bastard, but he's a bastard who happens to be right until we decide collectively to prove him wrong. So far his words are exactly what has been happening. The elites at the top admit MANY THINGS and QUITE OPENLY. They do this because they know that most people will miss it completely and miss it most people do.
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X1L0B01X In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-27 03:43:03 +0000 UTC]
wow
gov is just weird and messed up
haha next semester, when im in gov, its going to be fun haha
thanks to you
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paradigm-shifting In reply to X1L0B01X [2010-12-07 21:18:11 +0000 UTC]
you're welcome but all this info is out for anyone to find
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CaptainRex42 In reply to ??? [2010-11-06 21:56:59 +0000 UTC]
Listen, the only thing thats keeping you safe while you post shit about the US Army.....IS THE U.S Army. So maybe shape up, learn some fucking respect and get a plane trip out of this great nation before someone kicks your ass right out of it.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to CaptainRex42 [2010-11-06 22:23:59 +0000 UTC]
Had you bothered reading the info text or peoples replies, you'd see that i am pro-soldiers and against our governments abuse of them. But, if you wanna die to make some rich assholes richer INSTEAD OF in defence of our country, go for it. lol
My Dad was in Viet Nam and he has read the comments on this deviation. He says people like you are just wanna-bes who have never seen action and that maybe you'll shut your ignorant hole once you do.
I don't have the time to waste debating with you on it but if you wanna debate with a Viet Nam Vet I have his permission to give you fools his e-mail address. But no one ever takes him up on it when i offer. Cuz people like u are all talk.
Also, why not bitch at these vets too while ur at it: [link]
Please call them traitors. I'd like to see how nicely they hand ur ass to you in their reply. Oh wait, i'll never see it. You don't have the balls to e-mail them
Now go get a clue little boy, then talk to me about it
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BrittanyIsWayCool In reply to ??? [2010-09-27 18:42:41 +0000 UTC]
[Some of which I have written may be sloppy, as I've had a rough night and had little sleep..]
As a person who is getting ready to join the Army (in her own free will) this is sad.
For some people it's a way to get to where they want to be, and for others it's an experience they want to have. It's not like people are being force into the military, with people telling them "If you don't join we're going to blast your mother's head off." No. Not a chance.
I read a couple of comments talking about recruiters, and I must say this; Recruiters don't say "you WILL have this and this." No, they say "you CAN have this and this and this." They're not tricking anyone, just there are some people who choose what they want to hear, and take it as that.
The Army gives people opportunities that they will never have, and the military has changed since Vietnam. I will admit, I have seen some Veterans who have served asking for money, and it makes me sad. It's messed up how we have celebrities making millions, yet the true heroes, like police, firefighters, and war veterans, not even making anything close to them. I also believe teachers should make more.
I know many people who served in the Korean, Vietnam, and Iraq war. You are given choices with your hand of cards. Some played better with the cards they were given, and others not so much.
I believe the reason it's called ARMY STRONG, is because only 1 in 10 people can make it into the Army. You have to be physically and mentally tough if you want to survive.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to BrittanyIsWayCool [2010-09-27 18:51:31 +0000 UTC]
I do not disagree with you. However, there is good and bad in everything and more than one perspective to everything. It is a fact that there are over 150,000 homeless Veterans that our government refuses to help. What you are saying does not change that our government is screwing them and in the future, they could similarly screw you too. Maybe they won't, because you could argue that there have been many millions and millions of people who have served over the decade and 150,000 is a rather small number compared to that. Well, that number should be 0 and its not right for those 150,000+ people to have served their country and instead of "thank you" they have been told "fuck you!".
It is a FACT that this war in iraq is soldiers risking their lives to make rich assholes richer. Again, it does not make what you said untrue. I'll remind you that you are right. But I'll also remind you that we are both right. People (especially online and especially my dad lol) act like they can not be right unless the other person they are talking to is simultaneously wrong.
It is such a sad thing that most people seem to desperate and insecure that they require agreements to be 100% and that if someone else has different views -- then despite the fact that they do not contradict nor conflict with their views and despite the fact that they are agreeing with the rest of what the person said -- that the other person expects 100% conformity and takes any expression of individuality as an offensive betrayal.
This summarizes most of the mindsets for the people who see this deviation. It really is sad.
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BrittanyIsWayCool In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-09-27 19:27:39 +0000 UTC]
People want to be 100% right, so no percentage of their argument could be wrong.
I agree with you, that the number of homeless Veterans should be zero.
They did what many people couldn't do, and that is to serve.
As I said before, I wish the true heroes could get the pay that they deserve. :/
Maybe one day.
My sister, she's going to make a career out of the military. She's going to serve until she's 'kicked out' for old age.
She plans to donate some of her monthly checks to veterans who have served who are not that well off. She hopes to become police officer when she is out, it's just a matter of will she get a job at that age.
I decided that if I do end up making a restaurant (I'm going to be a 92G) and if it's successful, I'll have free meals for veterans on certain days, to show my appreciation for them, along with other heros as well... just as long as my business can afford it without going bankrupt.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to BrittanyIsWayCool [2010-09-28 19:14:45 +0000 UTC]
"People want to be 100% right, so no percentage of their argument could be wrong."
At the risk of sounding harsh, thats irrelevant. If 10,000 people wanted to jump off of a bridge, we as individuals don't need to choose to Darwin ourselves with them I don't want to be right, I just want to learn the truth of things and use that truth as a means to advance and improve my own life. Assigning labels such as "good" and "bad" to "information" is quite silly. To use a metaphor, if we were in denial of diseases we'd never find any cures.
So we can shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing ego to perceive information that defies its paradigm as being "inconvenient" and "bad" -- or we can see knowing we are wrong about something as a wonderful and beneficial opportunity to better ourselves.
As for those who prefer holes in their feet, I respect their choice and I choose to agree to disagree.
"I agree with you, that the number of homeless Veterans should be zero.
They did what many people couldn't do, and that is to serve.
As I said before, I wish the true heroes could get the pay that they deserve. :/
Maybe one day."
As long as we keep making this a "who has the bigger penis" contest and make it about who is supposedly right versus who is supposedly wrong, then "one day" is a hopeless pipe dream. However, if we choose to wake up, show some compassion and see being challenged as a good thing and an amazing opportunity for personal growth, then that "one day" may very well be a day soon to come.
I don't think war solves anything, but I do think that if someone is willing to put their own life at risk so that your life does not become forfeit, then their sacrifice should not be repaid by shitting on them.
Sadly, there are some ungrateful fuckers who have a very different perspective about the homeless vets and the vets that are only against war because they have been through it and they have seen the errors in human thinking.
The unappreciative bastards of the world see these heroes as "deserving what they get" because they are "unpatriotic cowards" to dare think as they think and that if they are homeless, that it is their own fault that they chose to become weak pussies. It is also even more tragic that some of these assholes actually are veterans themselves, as they spit on the heroism of their brothers and sisters.
This deviation is in protest of those who would dare be unappreciative. Our troops are not weapons to be used and thrown away. They are courageous heroes who have the bravery to do what no one else will. So when the rich elites use them as worthless tools for the purpose of making themselves richer, as if their lives mean nothing and their existence is toilet paper -- then you're damn right I'm gonna protest this attitude.
"My sister, she's going to make a career out of the military. She's going to serve until she's 'kicked out' for old age.
She plans to donate some of her monthly checks to veterans who have served who are not that well off. She hopes to become police officer when she is out, it's just a matter of will she get a job at that age.
I decided that if I do end up making a restaurant (I'm going to be a 92G) and if it's successful, I'll have free meals for veterans on certain days, to show my appreciation for them, along with other heros as well... just as long as my business can afford it without going bankrupt. "
We all need to do what we feel is best. All I have been saying, is to decide what you feel is best. Most people have their opinions handed to them through main stream media marketing and the Army Strong Commercials are no exception. How many of those have you watched? They treat war like a game of Quake 3, Halflife or Halo. As if you're a hero because you've killed people. Look deeper at the psychological marketing. Its disgusting.
So its not good or bad if you join the military. Just make sure you do whatever you're going to do for the right reasons. My Dad was in Viet Nam and my grandfather in World War II. My Dad is absolutely DISGUSTED by how both our government and our citizens treat veterans.
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BrittanyIsWayCool In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-09-28 20:48:16 +0000 UTC]
It's because that's all teenagers can relate to, that's all they ever do these days, play video games.
They're just trying to capture their attention.. just like how any other company would try to attract their audience.
They want to attract teenagers, that's the best way to so it.
Only problem is, the people they attract think it's going to be just like the game, and think "oh cool, I can be a hero and pwn noobs" or some stupid stuff like that.. I joke around with friends that get all excited after looking at the commercials and tell them that there's no respawns, and it's true.
The Army is something you WANT to do, not just to be cool or be a war hero, it's to protect and serve your country, even if it is just doing some shit-hole job to make the rich richer for the time being. Just the fact that they're willing to risk their lives for this country is amazing, and I feel we are forever in their debt.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to BrittanyIsWayCool [2010-09-28 21:21:22 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. We don't live in a perfect world, but I think the world needs more people like you to put peoples perspectives in the correct line of thinking. To not take life for granted and to do as you feel is best, not "what you're told".
The only truth that matters to each and every one of us as individuals is that unique truth, which resonates within each of us. To find such a truth, you must first accept that there are no omnipotent voices or theories. Rather, you must commit yourself to search for the truth, fashioned in your own design and conducted at your own pace. Only in this way can you find that unique truth, which resonates within you. It is a difficult process, but once you have found it, those who would dissuade you with false entreaties, mockery or the threat of humiliation will become irrelevant to you. This is not a heat and serve TV dinner. In order to get at the truth, you have to cook it yourself
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DoomMarine58 [2010-08-02 20:28:58 +0000 UTC]
Aw a another sheltered college kid who thinks they know everything, that's just so precious.
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bmonker In reply to ??? [2010-07-29 03:27:28 +0000 UTC]
You get out there and fuckin fight and tell me if they dont do it for a good reason, ask soldiers, not what you read in a newspaper in a safe house not worrying about a bomb landing on it or if you will be shot on the way to work today. We fight so you dont have to worry. Many countries' people have to be careful everyday watching who they look in the eye and who they cross on the road. Extreme groups out there among the people causing fear, we stop it out there so you dont have it in our U.S.A. streets.
There are many reasons, many journalists who bashed on what went on in Vietnam didn't even ever set foot off american soil. The ones that did go over and experienced what it was like completely changed their views. Go out there into the combat zones where America is occupied and see what goes on within the villages and with the people. They are taut to hate Americans and if you talk to one, even if it is a doctor bandaging a child's foot you could be shot. Their power is fear, and america fights against that.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to bmonker [2010-07-29 16:16:07 +0000 UTC]
It might help you to read the descriptions and what others are saying because you've clearly misunderstood. You won't be the first nor the last to lose emotional control and allow fear and anger to lead you into not seeing the message here. Thankfully however, most people who make this mistake simply made a mistake. Most are very rational and understanding when I clear it up for them.
Of course, some folks remain hateful and start bashing me, but it's all good
My message here is against the fact that our government mistreats and misleads our troops. So, it is in support of our men and women who serve. Not against them.
You preach your hate to one of the 150,000+ Viet Nam Vets who is homeless who the government refuses to help and see if you don't get ur ass kicked by the old coot who still has enough fight left in him to send out just one more profound message.
You go check out the Iraq Vets Against The War site and you tell them that they are traitors after seeing the action that have seen. Claim they have no experiences and that they are Anti-American but please, do it in person and to their faces. Hopefully someone uploads the video of them beating ur ass to YouTube
A coward can say anything and do anything while hiding behind a computer. So why don't you talk your indoctrinated dogmatic puke to the Viet Nam Vets like my father and all of the Iraq Vets who got fucked by the rich elite in this so-called war, which has been nothing but a waste of time, money resources and lives.
You say you have the balls to deal with "all the action" on the battle field but I doubt you have any to preach this shit to your fellow vets, much LESS to their faces.
My Grandfather was in WWII. My Dad was in Viet Nam. I have a lot of friends who have been over in Iraq. So you don't need to tell me about any of this stuff. Tell my Dad. He loves arguing with people on this topic. He'll tell you that you've got no idea the crap ur saying and then he'll prove it.
So if you're about supporting your fellow soldiers and not simply here to get a rise out of talking shit, then you will calm down because you will see that I am in support of them also. If you're just here to talk about of talk, you'll reply with a hostile tone and chances are: you'll not only refuse to read any of the more info section for this deviation, not only claim that what I'm saying is BS (with absolutely nothing to back up your claims). Not only will you spew more hate cuz u got nothing else better to do, but you will refuse the dare to speak to the Veterans I mentioned before hand. Because if you're just here to talk shit, it is cowards who talk and who refuse to take action.
So those are the two possibilities here. You will realize you misinterpreted me and you will cool down. Or you will flame off in some amusingly childish hateful rant about how I am supposedly *insert lots of slanderous claims here*
Its always interesting because I never know which of these two options will end up happening when I am confronted by a post like this. But I like surprises! So, surprise me!
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bmonker In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-07-29 21:39:28 +0000 UTC]
I don't just say these things through a computer, if I had seen this in an art exhibition and you were standing next to it I would have still said the same things.
Don't talk to me like you know me
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paradigm-shifting In reply to bmonker [2010-08-01 16:59:47 +0000 UTC]
"Don't talk to me like you know me" ... take your own advice You assume my art to be "Anti-Soldier" when my art is FAR FROM. You can't even debate any of the points I've made. So it doesn't reflect well on you to make snap-judgments while telling others not to judge you. It's sort of like Hitler having an "Anti-Racism Rally" lol. It really just does not make sense
At least your reply is civil and this I do appreciate.
My only advice is that you are more careful in your future observations and take time to think before acting or speaking. Animals instantly react based on very brief observations. Sometimes this can save their ass but other times, it allows predictors to more easily catch their prey because when they prey reacts, it loses control. The predator calmly responds and gains control. That and lunch
The size of the human frontal lobe as compared to the rest of the brain is what separates us from the animals. Its what makes us better than them. We are given the gift of free will. So we can choose to think about our observations first. To carefully analyze all of the data with a rational mind and form more productive strategies as for how to deal with these observations, experiences and environments.
The bitch about free will is that we can choose to abdicate our free will, as ironic as it seems. We can choose to react like animals. Most humans do make this choice which is why we have wars in the first place.
Governments are like toddlers bickering over nothing and the citizens of all of the countries are like dysfunctional parents who used to be bickering toddlers, but never grew our of it. Their reactions are as such where they join in the stupid fights as opposed to ending them with solutions that make sense.
I see this all the time with both governments and dysfunctional parents. So we can choose to either be a part of the problem, or be a part of the solution. Soldiers especially have a higher responsibility to be a part of the solution. Yet few realize what the solution is, as war gets treated like a game of Quake 3 and orders are blindly followed. The role of a solider is not to be a sheep, it is to set a higher standard. To be, as the commercials say -- "all that you can be".
There are soldiers who are setting a higher standard and even they take shit from their peers and superiors. But these are solders who respond, not soldiers who react. So instead of getting court marshaled for reacting, they get rewarded for unprecedented courage and heroism and they go down in history as the innovators of the era.
There are those who read history and those who make history. We all have that choice, whether we are a soldier, or not. We can be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. People who stand by and bitch and take no action (or take non-thinking actions) are a part of the problem. Those who use their frontal lobes, are a part of the solution.
I'm not going to claim to know you and as such, I don't know which choice you will make. Its none of my business which you choose to make, anyways. I'm just speaking my mind.
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Omilophile In reply to ??? [2010-07-14 17:20:16 +0000 UTC]
You don't have to agree with the war, but don't trash the men and women fighting it. And DON'T YOU DARE sit there and say the only reason people join is because they're losers with nothing else to do. Granted, recruiters often target poor kids by bringing up the fact that the army pays for college or whatever, but there are so many soldiers out there who gave up their well-off, successful lives to fight for our country. I'll tell you right now man, I don't like the government (democrat OR republican) as they have all completely ignored the Constitution and everything this country stands for, nor do I like the war. Why send people off to die when the enemy has practically infinite numbers and knows the terrain far better than you could ever hope to? Why do it all just so, as you pointed out, the rich could get richer? These are terrible things, but I will support the soldiers as a whole no matter what the government says or does. Something else you should know: "The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." G. K. Chesterton. The war was definitely not started for the right reasons, but our soldiers enlist because they want to fight for us, because they love our country and their families and what we stand for as a nation.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Omilophile [2010-07-15 18:12:24 +0000 UTC]
I don't disagree with your points, but I am confused as to why you appear to think I am trashing the soldiers themselves. I have gone well out of my way to point out that I am not doing that. Read the more info text. Read what people have said to me and read what I have replied.
All I can say is there are two types of people who comment to this deviation:
01) People looking for someone to argue with (in which case they read nothing of what has been said and only throw baseless accusations. and then of course, i laugh at them for it)
02) People looking to post civil constructive criticism (whether they agree, disagree or are somewhere in the middle) and whom are not here to judge my opinions as if they are all knowers of everything -- and are merely here to add their opinion to the collection.
I would like to think you are in Group 02 and that if you have not carefully read the more info text and the previous conversations I've had here with both the haters and the open minds -- that you will be open minded enough and inclined enough to take a few moments to do so.
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Omilophile In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-07-15 23:28:29 +0000 UTC]
I would like to apologize, good sir. I jumped to conclusions at reading the first part and failed to read the rest. I don't normally do that, but I had not gotten very much sleep the night before. Thank you for being civil, respectful, and mature about this. I've got a question for you, though. So you were more or less mocking the government and not the soldiers?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Omilophile [2010-07-29 16:18:35 +0000 UTC]
Hey one more thing ... if you really wanna do some good here on dA in regards to this subject, you might wanna set some of the morons straight who have been closed minded and hostile in correspondences on this deviation. Seeing as I've never fought in any war, they don't see me as credible. I'd love to see how they would respond to a fellow solider. Personally, I don't think they'd have the balls to talk this trash to a fellow solider. lol
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Omilophile [2010-07-16 02:02:05 +0000 UTC]
I was mocking the government and protesting how the soldiers are lied to and mistreated. Not to mention, all the vets who risked their lives and whom are now homeless and the government refuses to help them ... that does not sit right with me, either. But, better to laugh than to get all pissed off, right? People tend to pay more attention to comedy than someone just on a disgruntled bitch rant merely for the sake of bitching.
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dts7714 In reply to ??? [2010-06-28 10:25:41 +0000 UTC]
I am the only person i know who wants to join the military i believe it is your duty as an American citizen to join the military.
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StormfalconX In reply to ??? [2010-06-04 05:21:39 +0000 UTC]
Very well said!
The government will do ANYTHING to recruit people into the Army and Marine Corps. And once recruits do serve, they either get killed, or end up crippled with no veteran benefits for the rest of their lives. And, as you said, the rich people only get richer. And want to know what's worse? To me, it seems like the damn politicians get all the credit once a military campaign is complete - no love for the grunts.
I agree that this Iraq war is wrong, war alone is hell, politicians suck, but I also greatly support the military. I, for one, have Enlisted in the U.S. Air Force. Surprisingly enough, I also come from a military family.
The Army actually visited my high school a few years ago. I didn't sign any papers, but I did respectfully salute them.
Again, very well said!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to StormfalconX [2010-06-06 13:01:54 +0000 UTC]
Well, I think one of the key responsibilities of a solider is to tell everyone what the real deal is after their tour of duty and once they get back home. Its not like they keep it a secret from you once you're there and STUCK with no way out except for hoping you don't get killed before your tour of duty expires.
I forgot who said this but one of the quotes I live by is: "My country is the Earth and my religion is to do good"
Divide and conquer is a very efficient strategy and its used against us every day. We are all just people on this planet, being used as pawns so that the rich can control the world and live in their fancy mansions and whatever else.
This however, is not information to become angry about nor is it information to be feared. The cold hard kick to the ego is that it is our (the people of this world) fault because we are the many and those in control, are the few. If we all were to decide to say "No!" with one voice -- those in power would have none.
Of course upon realizing this it begs the question "well, what can i do about it? i'm only one person and people have been brain washed so getting them to agree on anything, much less cooperate seems impossible".
This question finally has an answer. It didn't used to. The Internet gives the syndication power of the corporations to your average 10 year old and people can talk "one on one" in a GLOBAL capacity.
We live in a world of "one click instant knowledge" and those of us who do not take advantage of the entire archive of humanity are taking this wonderful and powerful gift for granted. I say gift because even if you don't have Internet at home -- its in most schools, libraries, etc world wide and FOR FREE.
So the first step to liberating the planet, is to first liberate yourself. You do this by realizing there is no need to allow your ego to become offended, in fear or feeling betrayed by the information. Yes, we've been lied to, fucked over and used like toilet paper. Get past the realization and be as thankful as a blind man who has been given the gift of sight for the first time in his life.
The next step is to face and defeat your inner demons. Most of us have suffered a lot of "thought policing" by the educational system, governments, corporate marketing and other propaganda and this has caused psychological damage to every man, woman and child on this Earth. Accept that most of what you know is bullshit. That labels and their definitions are mechanisms of control. Every human brain (unless you've been severely beaten over the head with a shovel lol) has just as equal potential as every other human brain, which means the "authoritative" versus "subordinate" paradigm is a mind game to keep you blindly obeying. If you create a label and control its meaning, then you control every person who believes in it.
This means that limitation is a lie. Life is limitless. We only limit ourselves as we are our own worst enemy to allow ourselves to feel guilty for being ourselves. Sure, things may take time. But people act as if not being able to build a sky scraper in a single day means that its impossible to build one at all. Patience is key. Impatience is merely an illusion created by lack of information. So use the Internet to educate yourself. Its not just for porn, anymore!
What you resist, persists. So realize that our key mistake is that we always put all of our energy into the problems and seldom into the solutions. Being "anti-this" and having the "war against that" and so on -- only creates more more of it, because all of your energy is on the problem. So we debate ourselves to death in a Jerry Springeresque side show and anyone who tries to focus on solutions becomes slandered with personal accusations about their character and flooded with questions irrelevant to the issues. I could care less what intern sucked whose dick in the oval office and who does or does not happen to have three purple hearts. My Dad has two of them, doesn't mean he knows shit about running the country.
See problems not as burdens, but as opportunities. When you respond, you take control. When you react, you lose control. You abdicate your free will. So in responding, your head is clear and you see opportunities in front of you.
Make sure your desires and expectations are in balance. People always expect what they do not desire and they always desire what they do not expect (ie: people hate debt and always end up in dept and people want to win the lottery yet never do).
As long as you keep both your expectations an desires reasonable, then you can take baby steps and as you accomplish more things -- you will have the self confidence needed to increase your desires and expectations (ie: you'd never give a drivers license to a 6 year old, however once that 6 year old is 18 -- they will most likely be driving).
I could go on but I think you get the idea Check out the Zeitgeist Movies if you've not already
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StormfalconX In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-06-07 04:42:56 +0000 UTC]
Wow!
Amazing words, man! From what I've been taught in college, "There's people in life who get it, and then there's people who don't get it." You, Sir, seem like someone who does get it - someone who knows the ropes and knows how life works. At least, for the most part.
You also mentioned the word debt. This definitely reaches out to me since I have a load of credit card debt that will take forever to get paid off.
I will remember your words as I work my way towards becoming a successful Airman in the U.S. Air Force. I may even become a fighter pilot someday, or, at least, a commissioned Air Force Officer. This is what I both expect and desire.
Hope all goes well for you, Sir!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to StormfalconX [2010-06-08 17:12:31 +0000 UTC]
I think you should get a video camera, create a YouTube account and show the people of the world "the real deal" and remind your fellow soldiers that they are in service to protect the world -- not to RAPE it. That this isn't a game of Quake or Halo and they need to grow a set, wake up and do what they swore an oath to do. Killing the locals while invading a country so the rich can rape the land of its resources is not what you signed on for, now is it?
Remind them what the Nazi's said at their Tribunal after World War II -- "I was just following orders". It is more honorable to spend 5 years in military prison for disobeying an unethical order than it is to have civilian blood on your hands.
I would reccomend you check out some Internet Documentaries:
- Zeitgeist Addendum
- Zeitgeist Final
- Esoteric Agenda
- Kymatica
Share these with your brothers in arms and thank you sir for having the balls to stand up for what you believe is right. We need more like you in the military.
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StormfalconX In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-06-17 06:08:53 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome. I greatly appreciate it.
True on all accounts. I actually have a Youtube account and a camera. I just need to talk in front of it more often.
What makes me worried is when there's situations when there's almost no way to avoid civilian casualties.
My friends told me that there was this US Army infantry platoon that was on patrol in Vietnam. During their patrol, they spotted a village packed with civilians that was being used as a weapons depot for the North Vietnamese Army. No doubt, that weapons depot had to be taken out. Since it was heavily defended, all those U.S. infantry could do was call in an air strike. The planes leveled the village with napalm.
When my friends told me this story, I said, "That's awful! Civilians were killed." They replied, "Well hey, it's war. Civilians inevitably end up in the crossfire. But those US Soldiers did what they had to do to accomplish their objective. And the sooner that the military accomplishes their objectives, the sooner the war will end, and the more civilian lives will be saved."
I really don't know how to respond to the rest of what they said.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to StormfalconX [2010-06-17 07:47:10 +0000 UTC]
The goal of war is never to win and this can be proven with 2 hours and an informed Google and / or YouTube Search. The goal of war is to prolong it as long as possible towards the following objectives:
- Demoralize the native population and turn them against each other so that they are unable to mass a resistance movement
- Occupy the land for as long as absolutely possible (Obama has sent in more troops after making a big deal about withdrawing them)
- Rape the land of any and all natural resources (oil, etc)
- Obtain a permanent "presence of power" by instating a government loyal (aka bribed) to you
- Break and then control the will of the people in the occupied country
- Look like saviors to the native people IF POSSIBLE otherwise, use propaganda to make it seem to the rest of the world as if you did your best to rebuild the country after you've totaled it
The sad fact is, that wars never end on this planet -- they merely change form. Lets look at out government. Our government is the most rich and powerful in the world, yes? So with all of the money and resources you've gotta figure: whatever the government wants, it gets.
If the government wanted to reform health care, they could and would. Easily. If the government wanted to reform the educational system, they would and could. Easily. The government makes damn sure it gets what its paying for. So when you look at all of the problems in the USA where the federal budgets are not being spent to resolve them and then you look at our defensive budget being in the trillions and we look at all the money the rich elites are making going to war -- you have to realize that the government is getting exactly what it has ordered and is totally satisfied with the results. Do not think for a second that our government doesn't get what it wants. It ALWAYS gets what it wants. If it wanted to focus on solutions, fixing problems and helping the American people: then solutions would be found or in transit of being found, problems would be fixed and we wouldn't have stupid shit like well over 150,000 Veterans HOMELESS in the USA and being DENIED assistance!
The Nazi's used the "just following orders" excuses at their War Tribunal. So what you need to do is gauge your moral compass against the odds. Lets say you wanted to say "HELL NO!" to an order. Now -- if you're entire UNIT was on your side -- INCLUDING your commanding officer -- then HELL NO is an easy thing to say with low odds of failure. To punish an entire unit for "doing the right thing" would be a main stream media EMBARRASSMENT and they don't want that sort of press. But when ONE person tries it, no one gives a shit about a single person. So its not worth trying to be a martyr when no one gives a fuck. In the worst case -- if you at least go on record as being "against this order, for this and that reason, and only reluctantly complying being given no other choice but to comply" that is better than nothing and you will be able to discuss that in public once your tour of duty is over. But if you fuck yourself over with a good but deadly intention -- you're of no use to anyone else if you're of no use to yourself.
Lesser evil, greater good. If you can't outright avoid something, then do damage control. Even if all you can do is go on record with an opinion that you've been forced into a corner. At least you had the balls to say something, even though you felt forced to obey the order AGAINST your will.
To say "I will obey your orders, SIR! But I would like to go on record that it is my opinion that this action violates the human rights treaty signed by the United Nations and that a solution which would result in less casualties could be found, but no seems willing to look into it, SIR!" is far better than silence and the worst that could happen is your CO says "You're here to take orders, not give opinions!" to which you would say "Yes, SIR!" and that as they say, is that.
Governments have no power when the people speak united. United we stand, divided we fall. Well -- the USA as a people has been on the ground fallen since long before either of us were born. Though policed by the media and government. The biggest weapon you have against them is to encourage everyone around you (and i mean for your whole life, not just your tour of duty) to be free thinking, open minded, intelligent individuals who make their own choices and research into facts instead of being lead by the media like sheep to the slaughter.
Some people will embrace your words. Others will say you're a moron -- and thats if they feel like being nice. They will say far worse to you if they feel like being rude.
One persons actions -- even if those actions are merely dreams and sharing their thoughts with others -- can have a profound impact and we all take this for granted.
When everyone laughed at the two farm boys, Orville and Wilbur Wright; they ignored it and proceeded forward. Had they said to each other "you know, they're right. we really are perusing something foolish" then there would have been no means of calling in an air strike in Vietnam because the air plane would never have been invented. Those are two farm boy hicks who revolutionized the world. Surely, you are more intelligent than a farm boy hick of the early 20th Century.
Via the Internet -- you have the entire database of human knowledge at your disposal, on demand at any time. The Wright Brothers would have given their left nut for that kind of resource.
Think about it
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maxvalch In reply to ??? [2010-05-13 22:04:55 +0000 UTC]
agree, the blind insults you've been getting I think are from people who are frightened of what your spoof add unveils.
not that an army is a bad thing of course, just...its bad to be miss informed, yeah?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to maxvalch [2010-05-14 03:08:14 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. Thank you for having the courage to share your wisdom on this matter. Our society, the military included, simply has some problems. We can not correct them if we ignore the problems. Dusting them under the rug only allows them to build. The people flaming me for this are merely dusting the issue under the rug -- not so much that they think I am wrong, but are in fear that I might be right. So that possibility threatens their current paradigm of thought.
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maxvalch In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-05-15 16:41:13 +0000 UTC]
yes I agree, I find it sad that these Issues are so complex and annoying. They take it personally, you can see how that might happen, it's hard to address these issues without causing some noise. Unfortunately there is no "simply impersonal" button xD
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paradigm-shifting In reply to maxvalch [2010-05-15 19:38:47 +0000 UTC]
What you resist, persists. As such, the way to deal with people who want to fight and intimidate you -- is to be polite This way, you're not putting energy into the problem
They tend to shut up pretty quickly
Its like this one BITCH at one of my clients store fronts. She treats everyone like dirt and has a real attitude. Its so fun to watch her get mad the more polite I am to her I smile and laugh and talk very considerately ... it disgusts her and she leaves me alone
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mikespar013 In reply to ??? [2010-03-26 03:22:42 +0000 UTC]
this coming from a future-soldier of the united states army: I'm glad you at least support those of us who are or will be risking our lives, no matter how much i disagree with the picture, at least you understand that we will be fighting for all of you, sorry for the serious comment but i just wanted to convey my gratitude for the explanation in the description.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to mikespar013 [2010-03-26 22:52:46 +0000 UTC]
no apologies needed i welcome open minded serious comments, so it is much appreciated. people who have served come to realize the things which my poster represents are true. if you feel that in order to get to the bottom of the truth of things is to do a tour of duty, then do as you feel you need to do.
its far more likely that some drunk idiot will kill you with his car than you dying over there. so, if you need to see things for yourself -- theres nothing wrong with that.
at least you want to serve for the right reasons. many people wish to serve THEMSELVES because they treat it like a game of quake 3 or something.
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