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onereazon In reply to ??? [2010-02-07 19:32:19 +0000 UTC]

BUNCH OF PUSSIES AND TREE HUGGERS ...I GUARANTEE THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOU NEVER EVEN SEEN COMBAT. QUIT YOUR BITCHIN AND LET REAL MEN DO THEIR JOB.

"IF YOU CANT GET BEHIND THE TROOPS, BY ALL MEANS GET INFRONT OF THEM"
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paradigm-shifting In reply to onereazon [2010-02-07 21:43:07 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I simply don't want people dying to make rich assholes richer. In defense of your country, alright no problem. But thats not what this is right now.

Although despite my wish to not want to see people waste their lives -- would be nice if more people such as you, did People like you just bitch to bitch. You hop on a crusade because you're told its cool, like the newest fad or video game. The world would be better off with you gone

Now go watch these if you have the balls. If you refuse to watch, you're a pussy --> [link]

I will also not reply to you from this point on if you refuse to watch, because I do not have conversations with pussies

You also do not have the balls to tell off the soldiers who served in iraq and viet nam who happen to agree with me because again, you have no balls. All talk. No action and you're a waste of time to even talk to

Grow a set and then get back to me. I won't hold my breath. All you're gonna do is refuse to accept my dares and just do more crying and whining. Why? Tiny dick, no balls and nuff said!

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onereazon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-11-19 08:37:34 +0000 UTC]

wow ...i havent even been on this site for so long, i dont even remember you, or writing anything to you for that matter, but judgin by your "so called art" lol youre jus a stupid, liberal, tree huggin, hippy bitch aurguin about things you cant quite understand, youre not gonna change the world with your faggy journals n bullshit you make, n youre not makin a diference to anybody, youre jus some fuckin loser talkin shit behind a computer whose never even been to war ...me on the other hand ive been to iraq n im currently in afghanistan NOT BITCHIN ABOUT SHIT ...belive me partner im as happy as can be, you wishin death on me makin irrelevant comments about me havin "no balls" n all this nonsense... HA! belive me ...i sleep like a baby, you aint hurtin my feelings, im doing something with my life and im also building a future with my education at the same time, this is jus what im doing now and everything i do im successful at, you jus have too much time on your hands to be writin all this anti government hippy jib jabbin BS, why dont you do something that matters, you dont like what we do? ...be a fuckin politician not some loser with your whack ass pseudo art and gay ass blogs about how much uncle sams hurt your pussy ...booo hooooo! ...and lastly why so many lil icon faces? what are you fuckin 12?

by the way i didnt watch your stupid vdo not cause i dont have "the balls" but because i have a job, n i dont have time to listen to a bunch of crack smokin faggots and their lil monkey minion(s) (YOU) that have nothing better to do than bitch about the government... besides you warned me about how long they were n then proceeded to compare em to gay ass nerd movies like "terminator n the matrix" LMAO!!! you fuckin LOSER!

...sincerely a true american

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paradigm-shifting In reply to onereazon [2010-11-19 15:14:46 +0000 UTC]

Alright, cool. I get where you're coming from, totally. You're one of those brain washed "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy" mindless grunts who is incapable of logical judgment of evidence and can only do as he is told. My Dad was a solider on Viet Nam and he said people like you are the worst sort of disgrace of a solier -- acting like a facist nazi as if the world is perfect, the government could do not wrong ever and that anyone who has an opinion thats differs from yours should just go die or whatever.

I'm not a liberal in fact i loath all politics and i see it as a broken machine that does not truly work. What you are proving to be in your actions, is a nazi. plain and simple. Go read some books instead of eating them. Worf. ... The nazi's talked JUST LIKE YOU ARE. The KKK talk JUST LIKE YOU. Everyone who has ever been FULL OF SHIT talks your sort of hate speak and acts as if anyone who has a peaceful and civil attitude about life is some sort of deluded moron who needs help.

You're a facist asshole who is not happy unless you're fighting with someone. God help you when this war is over. You'll have no one to battle except for your own lonely ego.

Hey wanna bicker with my Dad who is a Viet Nam Vet? Prolly not. You don't have the balls to e-mail him nor any other veterans who are against the war. Cuz you know you'll get your ass handed to you. Yeah you said you've been to iraq but that don't mean you've seen action, fool.

I know people who have been to iraq who never saw shit, I know people who have seen a lot. Just all depends on where you're station and what happens. But i do know your type of personality. Hateful idiot who uses a twisted context of patriotism and just like a sith on star wars, is only about obtaining power through hurting others.

You're a true disease in the american body, sincerely.



have an awesome day tho! these are merely my opinions. nothing against you personally or anything. i actually respect your right to choose to be a blind twit and as a sovereign individual to make the choice of giving up your free will and being a robotic mindless drone. so hey, its all good. you have every right to be a hate monger and i respect that right.

so i salute you, sir! see you listed in the darwin awards one of these days!

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Gunslinger509 In reply to ??? [2010-01-19 13:02:33 +0000 UTC]

As a soldier who has served in Iraq and Afghanistan, I understand full well the anti-war stance. However to most people soldiers are war. They see us as death hungry vultures waiting for a kill. Yet we would gladly defend these people if our country was invaded. There is a big difference between the politics in office and the man on the ground, and more often than not, they fight for entirely different reasons. I don't care if people don't support the war because it does not support them. But I believe people should support their soldiers because we will always support them.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Gunslinger509 [2010-01-19 15:27:38 +0000 UTC]

I fully agree. You understand the point of the deviation quite clearly. I've noticed that of all those who comment on this thing -- 99% of the ones who "get it" have "served". 99% of the ones who do NOT get it, have NOT served.

The ones who do NOT get it, treat the scenario like a game of Quake 3.

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Origot In reply to ??? [2010-01-11 06:23:19 +0000 UTC]

Just because you can find some soldiers which oppose war doesn't mean it is unjustified. Most soldiers are conservative Christian Republicans, "largely confortable with the views of Rush Limbaugh". Most soldiers voted for President Bush, and I can extropolate from that that they support the war. If I found a few homosexuals who opposed gay marriage, and tried to use that as an argument, I'd be laughed out of the debate.

Furthermore, you accuse your opponents of launching ad hominem attacks, and then do so yourself, pre-emptively nullifying any sort of debate. "If you disagree with me, you’re capitalist swine!"

Lastly, profit? Don't you relize how expensive it is to wage war? It costs money. If the government wanted profit, they would've stayed away from Iraq.

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Dead-Kid-Rocker In reply to ??? [2010-01-06 06:45:53 +0000 UTC]

Ok very funny shits and giggles right? Wrong its people like me that are 19 and about to recruit to the green barret that protects assholes like you, If there weren't brave men and woman America would look like Afghanistan and the city's would be war torn and you be curled up in a ball sucking your thumbs.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Dead-Kid-Rocker [2010-01-06 07:42:16 +0000 UTC]

Hey do me a favor, and take what you just wrote there and paste that in a reply to *lukonius on this [link] ...

Its a link to a thread for this deviation. *lukonius is currently serving in Iraq as we speak. I think he would have a much more worthy reply for you than I could ever hope to give

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Wolfofnerezza In reply to ??? [2010-01-06 01:56:35 +0000 UTC]

Just to point out (no comments about anything else), not all recruiters are a part of the army. The army pays you if you encourage others to join. When a person contracts in, if they say 'so-and-so recruited me' then that person gets like $1,500. So a lot of assholes have gotten it in their heads to run around doing just that and will say any bullshit that comes into their mind to trick you into joining.

REAL recruiters, ones that are attached to a unit and are active duty are almost always much more reliable and honest. And if you join and learn you were blatantly lied to by an official recruiter and you say something, they get discharged.

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Lukonius In reply to ??? [2009-12-27 10:04:31 +0000 UTC]

Im with u man... Im a soldier, currently in Iraq. Combat Medic in an Infantry unit, and all i have to say is that the army has helped me turn around my life... going FROM homeless, to being provided with the money for a college degree that im working on. so on the personal level, at least as far as things with me are going, on a soldier to soldier level, the army is a good thing. But, to speak of the grand scale, the wars we have been fighting are, for the majority, impractical and not without thier deep hidden agenda to support the rich of the country off of the work and sacrifices of the poor.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Lukonius [2010-01-06 07:44:33 +0000 UTC]

Hey dude check this out: [link] ... I think you can have some fun with this one

He's all yours!

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Lukonius [2009-12-27 10:49:26 +0000 UTC]

You my friend, are awesome! Well spoken, sir! I dare the trolls here to treat you with the same contempt they have treated me with in regards to this deviation! I am sure you would be able to school those morons on what being a real soldier is all about!

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Lukonius In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-27 10:55:38 +0000 UTC]

I appreciate your compliment just as much as i appreciate you standing up to all the deluded people on here arguing blindly about something that they've obviously never thought about past what is at face value. CNN cant show anybody what being a soldier is all about, sorry America.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Lukonius [2009-12-27 10:58:04 +0000 UTC]

Amen, brother!

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LEO-Recon In reply to ??? [2009-12-19 19:44:41 +0000 UTC]

Advid member of JROTC

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2010-01-06 07:44:53 +0000 UTC]

Hey dude check this out: [link] ... I think you can have some fun with this one

He's all yours!

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-01-10 16:50:06 +0000 UTC]

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2010-01-10 21:06:52 +0000 UTC]

Have fun!

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-19 19:48:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, thank you! Good to see someone in ROTC commenting who knows the difference between service and suicide!

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-19 22:19:13 +0000 UTC]

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-20 00:29:57 +0000 UTC]

Honestly though, all forms of government are an epic fail. Whether its democracy, communism or whatever it is ... every single system has proven to live fast and die hard.

The name of the game, is power through population control. The tools of this trade are fear and ignorance.

Thats why no government governs. The educational system, doesn't educate. Organized Religion is just yet another corporation under the guise of spirituality so they can make money on having a "my god has a bigger dick than your god" competition. War is about profit through death and the vast majority of wars are based on Religion, which again -- is just another corporation making money through exploiting others.

Central Intelligence isn't very smart. 09-11-2001 proves that arrogance leads to very insecure national security. Money-based economics fuel the whole thing, as the system is based on consuming everything (and everyone) at unsustainable rates.

The Internet has been whats made breaking the cycle possible. When you can bypass the filtered main stream media and anyone in the world can directly share data with anyone else in the world -- the lies start to become exposed and people begin to think for themselves.

You can't save the world, so don't try. Its not about proving to everyone that you're right about the exposure of lies. Its about proving it to yourself and then sharing that with anyone who happens to give a fuck.

We are slowly becoming a Global Society, as we begin to break away from our allegiances to governments and corporations -- and start to realize that our true allegiances are to our fellow humans and to the Earth. To our family, friends, associates and whomever else we care about and / or need.

The online world has proven again and again that Resourced Base Economics is not only feasible -- but it works more efficiently than money based economics. We're shifting our perspectives from thinking along the lines of "contributors versus freeloaders" and are realizing that for services to exist, there must be a need. There must be users. Otherwise, the services serve no purpose and ceases to exist.

So "freeloaders" actually aren't. They are in fact, the patrons required in order for a service to exist, survive and thrive.

Everyone would be contributors in their own way, if our system of education was focused on helping us find what we are good at -- and then helping us to learn to be as efficient as possible at what we are good at. Right now, we are focused on forcing people to continuously fail what they suck at, while their true gifts go ignored and unused.

When what you are good at becomes what you love, what you love becomes a part of who you are -- and so you contribute by default, because you can not help but be anyone other than who you are -- and can not help but do exactly what it is you do.

Our class system of employment then goes away and "work" becomes "play" and "jobs" become "hobbies". As the old saying goes -- "if you choose what you love doing as your career, then you'll never work a day in your life".

Then instead of working for money, you're doing what you enjoy doing. That contributes to society and then in turn, by default -- society provides you with what you need because you are providing it with what it needs.

The money system quickly becomes irrelevant and it no longer requires $15 Billion Dollars to send a death trap we call a shuttle into space. At this point, the ceiling is removed from technological development and our technology starts to advance at even more exponential rates.

Then -- anyone who is bitching about anything -- simply things they've invented a better warp drive, or better inexhaustible power source, or more efficient medical technology -- or whatever; than the person they are having the argument with

So then arguments move more into Linux vs FreeBSD as opposed to Windows Versus Mac. To where we are competing to be the most productive son of a bitch in our field -- instead of trying to make power grabs by exploiting others.

So yeah, its been happening. Open Source. Bittorrent. Linux. BBS Scene. Wikipedia. Social Networking. Google. The list goes on and on and on. Yes, we've also been developing things such as inexhaustible power sources. Only bureaucracy has held things back by making them initially expensive -- as scientists work hard towards making the manufacturing process more cost effective, more than making the tech more efficient. But still -- its a damn good start.

We have cars that can run on: electricity. water. solar. compressed air. biofuels. Engines that can make a train go 400 miles on a single gallon of gas. Wind power is popping up EVERYWHERE. Coal Plants that take the CO2 waste and pump it under ground -- and from there it gets moved into algae ponds which convert CO2 into O2. You can equip your home with solar for $50,000.00, taking up 90% less roof space and is about 95% cheaper than it used to be -- also allowing the power company to owe YOU money when you feed surplus energy back into the local power grid. You can use DC to AC Inverters to generate your own AMPS either in your home or in your car. We've figured out how to pull unlimited zero point energy straight out of hyperspace through a vacuum. We've figured out perpetual energy, where 1 unit of energy in creates 2 units of energy out. The list goes on.

Needless to say -- the human race has finally *started* to pull its head out of its ass and its about damn time. The best thing you can do to help, is just keep yourself as educated as you can. Never underestimate your potential. Learn how to learn (schools don't teach you how). Research things. Study things. Be open minded to being wrong, but don't believe everything you hear, either -- always demand proof

Spontaneous rants like this is part of how I help. They make people think, for those who are capable of thinking and to those who happen to give a fuck

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-20 04:11:13 +0000 UTC]

Yea! new all time high score, you have just written the longest message ever sent to me!
Any way
I can totally agree with the saying "if you love your job then you will never work a day in your life" i love being a soldier, love EVERY THING about it, the free food the free housing, the guns EVERY thing.
Hate school though, i agree with the philosiphy that school is a waste of most childrens first 18 years of there life. School simply CRAMS useless information into peoples heads, and when the memory needs to be recalled the individual simply blabers on about penguins.
I personaly do believe in god, i do only because the theory of evolution has 1 large flaw and makes no sence. (Big bang theory: every thing originates from 1 point. HOW DID IT GET THERE??????????)

I believe that you are right and people are starting to break free of endless compitition and starting to help eachother out. because the government is brainwashing people into submision of its bieliefs, then one lonley soul stands up and says: um that makes no sence! and the rest pull there head out of there ass and realise that the man is infact. . . .NOT insane.

it has been a pleasure to meet you

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-20 04:56:03 +0000 UTC]

God, evolution, the big bang, etc...etc... they only contradict each other if you're arrogant enough to assume you have the answers There is much about quantum physics, spirituality, God and lots of other things about this universe that we really have no damn clue about -- and its okay that we don't. Theres nothing wrong with saying "i really don't know" because that leads to searching for the truth. Nothing wrong with that.

Its when we assume we have all the answers, that you have competing theories -- because people in both camps assume they know everything there is to know about their own theory. They aren't open to the fact that maybe their theory is right -- BUT -- maybe they are also missing a lot of info and have some of their facts fucked up. That also maybe -- all of these other theories aren't contradicting adversaries -- but instead: just different pieces of the same puzzle making the same mistake as everyone else: assuming they fucking have all the answers.

Are our brains and spirits capable of understanding everything? Sure. But we're not going to understand shit if we're not open minded to the fact that most of what we know is wrong, put ego aside and start allowing new information to liberate us rather than offend us.

Limits are imaginary and we can learn and do absolutely anything, regardless of how fantastically deluded or fictitious a concept might seem. The problem is, we limit ourselves by focusing on bullshit concepts like TRYING and CAN'T. Trying isn't doing and theres no such thing as can't.

People treat life too much like a Mc Donalds Drive Thru. Some things take a lot of TIME to learn and accomplish. Lots of things have a lot of gotta crawl before you can walk before you can run prerequisites. Some things take hours. Some things take days. Some take months. Some take years. Others still take DECADES. But most people -- they don't see this. They just whine like little bitches if they can't have what they want in two seconds -- and the reason they do this is because they've been taught to focus on limitations.

So we trick ourselves into thinking there are concepts we can't understand. God is a good example. Its funny because a lot of the mysterious questions about God that most people can't figure out, have such simplistically obvious answers.

Myth: We can not understand how God / existence can be "eternal" in both directions, without a beginning and without an end. Humans can not grasp the concept of "infinity".
Truth: BULLSHIT. Its simple. Treat time like a where instead of like a when. Space-time is non-linear. If a point in time is perceived as a sort of quantum geographical location rather than something that happened, is happening or will happen -- then its no more a paradox to understand infinity than it is a paradox to understand how Chicago, Illinois is about 3,000 miles or so from Los Angeles, California.

This of course makes both the big bang and the theory of evolution quite feasible. Treat the Big Bang and the process of evolution like points on a map which co-exist, and you've resolved your paradox.

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-20 17:40:21 +0000 UTC]

and what if the truth is god? and what if it is not? people will begin to riot, and commt suicide because there lives have suddenly become pointless.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-20 20:52:41 +0000 UTC]

This too is an assumption. It is more likely that the truth will be neither good nor bad and it will simply be what it is. The truth is, sometimes it rains. This is neither good nor bad. Some rains can be nice, others not so much. There are more different types of rain than can be counted. Even within the same type, every single storm -- just as is with every single snow flake -- is unique from any other that has ever been or will ever be.

So, why would there only be two options and why must those options always be to the best and worst extremes? Thats some fucked up thinking and people need to break free of it -- and slowly, we are.

So, heres an even better question: what if everyone finds out that really -- the worst possible truth is that the governments and corporations are at fault for brain washing us into thinking there are only two answers for everything and to think of things with imaginary limits? What if the truth sets us free when we finally realize that there are so many possibilities and choices that we really *can* live the lives we WANT to live?

You're still thinking within a paradigm of limitation when you ask me things like that. So, think outside the box and ask me a truly free will question -- not one based on pre-determined programming

You've seen me do this with you so how hard could it possibly be? Its not like I'm some super genius or anything! I'm just a regular human! Hahaha!

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-20 22:59:12 +0000 UTC]

yes, true, but suicide rates WILL grow because people will sudenly realise that when you die you will somply rot in the ground, so i would not matter if you murdered people or killed small children because there would be no control, no chance of a better life no "heaven"

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-20 23:21:58 +0000 UTC]

again, you're assuming you have the answers again and you're assuming its to the extreme worst case. quantum physics has already proven we live in a conscious universe. in short, they've pretty much got more than enough evidence to be able to say that it would be astronomically improbable for there to NOT be an "after life" and highly probable that there is one.

That what we deem as an after life isn't even really an "after" anything. We live in a multi-dimensional universe and theres a heck of a lot more than 3. Most scientists will say 11 -- but even they aren't for 100% sure.

Our consciousness is eternal and non-physical. We create for ourselves a simulation which we use to learn and advance ourselves. This simulation is holographic and we have called it "reality" because we really don't get what reality even is.

This physical yet simultaneously non-material existence is only one aspect of reality. Think of it almost like The Matrix -- only instead of our bodies being plugged into a machine to experience a simulated reality -- our consciousness is plugged into a biological machine which we use to learn, evolve and advance.

Also think of it from the perspective of a Gamer: humans enjoy a challenge and games are challenging.

What greater challenge can you think of, than to incarnate into a world that has been totally CUT OFF from the true nature of existence -- and try to plug it back into the normal flow of things? Think of this Earth as a huge super computer and it has a fucked Network Card. The Universe is the Internet. We're here to try to repair and / or replace this NIC Card -- and yep, its a bitch. But we humans sure do love a challenge

So if we start to know the true nature of things -- suicide rates will drop for the same reason as your objective isn't to get yourself killed, when you play Halo 3, Quake 3, World of Warcraft or -- whatever. You game to see what you can do and for how long you can manage to do it -- NOT to immediately get yourself killed

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 00:57:31 +0000 UTC]

thats what i am saying that there has got to be an afterlife. and that we do infact live in a conscious universe

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 01:21:37 +0000 UTC]

ah, okay it seemed as though you were implying the opposite and that if that opposite were ever proven -- there would be chaos

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 03:08:48 +0000 UTC]

there would be some chaos, mainly in churches

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 03:59:55 +0000 UTC]

In a way -- there would be more chaos to prove the existence of God and an afterlife than to disprove it. For the world to learn that their God is a loving creator whom they have direct access to -- and not this pissed off toddler God with a lightning bolt in one hand and binoculars in the other -- a great many people would feel extremely deceived by the various churches. You'd likely see priests and bishops and people like that murdered.

All the terrorists would turn on their leaders. That part would be fun Osama's personal guard becomes his executioners

A lot of people who were feeling lost and hopeless would feel safe and content -- where as others who have lived their whole life feeling safe and content not realizing they were living a lie -- now might feel confused and scared because they just found out most of what they thought was true, was actually bullshit.

It will be interesting, to say the least -- because one day, its all going to be proven through science. Our technology keeps getting more and more advanced and new discoveries keep being made. So, probably within our lifetime. We've gone from the Atari 2600 to amazing fuckin computer technology, in less than 20 years. Advancement is exponential.

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 05:20:56 +0000 UTC]

and yes i would PERSONALY like to be the executioner of Osama bin Laden. and not only that i would put the execution on LIVE TV in front of Billions of people world wide

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 19:41:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, one must understand how terrorist cells work, though. Osama is just a poster child for his cause and he himself does very LITTLE. Terrorist Cells operate headless. So that if you remove a leader, another steps up in his place. Remove a cell and you've still not done much, because there are others. Remove 90% of a cell and the other 10% can still survive just fine.

What we need -- is a means of seeking out and destroying every member of every cell until there are no more of them left. Put that on LIVE TV So that the terrorists know their end is at hand

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 21:50:25 +0000 UTC]

and we wounder why we are loosing

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 22:11:10 +0000 UTC]

We are losing because we're fucking around. Fucking around makes rich assholes even richer. The sad fact is -- Bush and his buddies (and whomever else) are part owners of the companies which manufacture the weapons. So every time a $3 Million Dollar Missile goes boom -- they make about $150,000. Or, whatever it is their profit is. Remaining in the middle east is imperative to their profits.

We have not found Osama because we are not looking. We found Saddam because we were looking. Saddam pissed the Bush family off, simple as that. Some dipshit CNN reporter can find Osama in his cave to interview him but the richest government in the world with the best technology in the world, can't seem to manage to do so.

Do the math.

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 18:33:42 +0000 UTC]

so we should make nuclear weapons $3 each????????

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-22 20:47:45 +0000 UTC]

Are you seriously missing my point?

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 21:06:43 +0000 UTC]

yeah probably

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-22 21:55:15 +0000 UTC]

Then i'd advise re-reading it. Because I was explain WHY we have NOT caught Osama. Its because rich assholes are having too much fun making money on war.

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 23:18:23 +0000 UTC]

i know that!

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 05:19:28 +0000 UTC]

ever seen the show 2059? its a show about what earth will be like 50 years from NOW. the show is full of shit! the stuff they show will probably be availible in the next 10 years not 50. I will place money that we will not only have placed livable bases on Mars, and the moon. but ALSO on ANOTHER solar system. from that point onward mankind will more then likley just EXPAND like crazy untill we meet life on other planets.

i just read that over sounds like Halo

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 06:18:31 +0000 UTC]

Yes and no. Realistically, we could have been there and done all that by NOW. The problem has been the general attitude of the human race. We need to ditch a lot of baggage. Our attitudes are what prevents technology from advancing nearly as fast as it could -- and its advancing pretty damn fast as it is. Now IMAGINE if we could attitude check humanity and totally take the bottleneck off of technological development! We'd be advancing the equivalent of 500 years in a year -- every year.

Thats why its important for us to break free of the bullshit and set the example to others. It really doesn't take much, just like it only takes a spark to get a fire going.

Even my words to you with this conversation have informed you ... and will inspire you to .... do who knows what? But regardless of what it is, it will set an example for others. Who will set an example for others. Who will, etc...

We've just gotta keep waking each other up and reminding ourselves of our own true potential and saying "hey -- lifes a bitch and then it has puppies, but so what! puppies are cute!" and get people to see the awareness of the bullshit not as "omfg you asshole i'm so pissed now!" but instead to see it as "thank GOD i can see clearly now!"

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 16:22:54 +0000 UTC]

"Even my words to you with this conversation have informed you ... and will inspire you to .... do who knows what? But regardless of what it is, it will set an example for others. Who will set an example for others. Who will, etc..."

THAT SIR! is the DEFINITION OF A REVOLUTION!!!!

maybe we will end up overthrowing the government. but if we did that, who would be in charge?

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 19:34:15 +0000 UTC]

Revolution: when the fear of living exceeds the fear of death

Ah, you are so dramatic. Calm down, step back and see the bigger picture here I think I've been making it pretty clear but you've got your nose stuck in it. You need to step back for a better view

Human evolution is what it is. There will be no need for revolution because with evolution -- governments fall under the weight of their own mistakes and individuals rise up once they start learning from their own mistakes

Add fire to fire and you have more fire. Add more shit to a pile of shit and you have even more shit. Same shit different day isn't the answer. Revolution doesn't work and I'm not sure how many historical accounts people need to read to be able to see this (provided they read any at all), but theres tons of them which prove in equal measure that any strategy whose goal is conquest, thought at first they may have victory -- it is fleeting and soon leads to failure.

Our Forefathers asked "but if we did that, who would be in charge?" and we ended up replacing a King with a President and a Parliament with a Congress. Both of which happily tax the shit out of you. If we keep asking this question, its always going to have the same answer. It always does.

So I think its like what the hologram of the scientist said to Will Smith in "I, Robot" -- "in order to obtain the answers, you must ask the right questions"

You are still basing your questions on the brain washing you've endured. Think beyond what you know and ask me a truly FREE WILL question. I've asked you plenty of those. Can you not even come up with one?

Stop trying so hard because all that does, is make you fall back on the pre-programmed propaganda you've been fed since you were old enough to watch TV

Einstein's definition of insanity is "to do the same things over and over, to always get the same end result -- while always expecting a different end result"

This is exactly how empires rise and fall.

So before you ask me anything or suggest anything -- ask yourself if that question has already been asked in the past. Has it been answered in the past. If so -- how many times throughout history did it match with Einsteins example?

In order to figure out what to ask, one must first identify what NOT to ask -- as this is a far easier thing to do

Now instead of asking "but if we did that, who would be in charge?" I am going to ask you:

If we all chose to think independently for ourselves, to be properly educated and live life in a mode of cooperative resource based economics instead of unsustainable money based economics -- then why would military, police and governments not be needed, thereby rendering your question irrelevant?

Yes, I know the answer to my own question. Do you?

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-21 21:51:03 +0000 UTC]

i do, but i still see the same picture

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-21 22:21:13 +0000 UTC]

You don't, because you avoided the question. Every time I ask you to step outside of what you know, you fall right back into what you know. Right back into your comfort zone.

"If we all chose to think independently for ourselves, to be properly educated and live life in a mode of cooperative resource based economics instead of unsustainable money based economics -- then why would military, police and governments not be needed, thereby rendering your question irrelevant? "

I'll answer that for you.

We'd have eliminated duality and we'd be no more in conflict than the complex and efficient systems of the human body. Each cell of the body knows what it does best, does what it does best and does it efficiently. They work independently, yet at the same time -- in cooperation with other cells. These cells form organs, which form organ systems, etc...etc..

Lets take this into a perspective of society.

If we were properly educated, people as self sufficient individuals would work cooperatively with each other. People form families. Families form neighborhoods. Those form cities. Cities exist within regions. Regions exist within continents and then you've got the whole Earth.

There would be no need for government, police or military. The technology bottleneck would come off -- so when a person is born with some sort of brain damage which has a side effect of violent tendencies -- it would be quickly identified and if a cure did not exist, it would be researched into and found. We have cures for most if not all diseases on Earth. But if you ask the FDA, they'll tell you straight up that they are not in the cures business.

They openly state, that their goal is to make disease controllable and manageable. If they can create drugs which make a disease inert for as long as you are taking that drug -- then they make piles of money on all the people who need to take it for the rest of their lives.

And hey -- if people need to suffer and die by the tens of millions in the mean time -- thats fine by them!

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 18:40:21 +0000 UTC]

"There would be no need for government, police or military. The technology bottleneck would come off"
as you stated, this would be like the human body working together in peace with no control(utopion) but there is ONE flaw, the human body is run by the Mind, and powered by the Heart. in Real terms the "mind" is the government and the "Heart" is the economy. now, im as intent as a clam to not have these two, just as you are. . .BUT how? how can we get to such a state of sociaty in whitch there is no Government OR Economy.

A great man once said "Fallowers were made to FALLOW the Leaders"

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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-22 20:17:46 +0000 UTC]

Yes and we all used to run on 486es and Commodore 64s. You're thinking too retro. The heart is an oil pump and the brain is a computer chip If you think of things more like a computer and credit human intelligence enough to realize that if we were properly educated, that we can get past our stupidity because our motivations would be different, then the systems works perfectly.

Step it up -- think of the Earth as the body and we are the "mind of gia" (however the hell you spell that) -- and each individual is a "neuron" and we all together form the brain of the planet.

If we all knew how to act independently, but in cooperation -- we wouldn't conflict with each other. You don't see the brain trying to do the job of the heart, or the heart trying to do the job of the brain, or any other organ trying to dominate any other organ.

Also -- the brain does not control, it coordinates. The MIND controls. Your brain does not control YOU, it is YOU who control IT. YOU are in the drivers seat. That meat in your head is only on auto-pilot if you choose to abdicate your free will by falling back on the brainwash programming.

Think of the brain less as an all controlling dictator and more as a Broadband Router. The router does not control everything but it does keep everything orderly and synchronized. Your router doesn't tell your computer what to do. Your router doesn't tell the Internet what to do. In fact -- the router needs data from the computers and the internet to even know what to do with itself.

But the router does know its purpose and it does a damn good job of what its good at doing.

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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 21:07:53 +0000 UTC]

ok so i WAS looking at it wrong, or not in the right light! thx for helping me see your viewpoint.

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