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Got your attention? Good. Because this video [link] makes the same point as this deviation does.
So, if you bash this deviation, you're bashing the troops.
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You Made Them Strong. We'll Make Them ARMY STRONG.
What a crock of shit.
PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING REPLY I MADE, PRIOR TO MAKING YOUR OWN RESPONSE:
Dear Mr. ~1UFC-GeorgeStPierre ,
Thank you ever so much for your thoughtless and entertaining reply of "Janka PV2
United States Army Infantry
Dear TWarrior and all of you that decided to post against the military. The sad fact that 99% of u decided to not join the military, not just here but in the nation, 99 fucking percent decided not to..
U choose to fucking bitch about the men and women even some 18 year old boys made into men, that are fighting the bullets to let u even live here.
All of u are a shame to America and all the morals and values we stand for. Even if some recruiters have tricks and gimmicks, the army is a whole and functions as one no matter the asshole who gets us here.
We all train, we all end up with a gun, we all end up serving. I'm not sure what brought ur hate against our own army, but ur insulting the wrong brand of people pal. Ur the shit and bodies we drive over with humvees and put lead into. Ur the guy who doesn't deserve to live here.
Chances are u wanted to serve, but they turned u down after they found out u were gay.
Dear JWeeksUSArmy, ur not alone in the world of Patriots pal. I am requesting to fight in Afghanistan after AIT."
Thanks for taking the whole thing out of context. It is much appreciated. Trolls like you do serve a practical purpose, as your back peddling is quite amusing.
Thankfully, you're not the only hate monger to have made such assumptions and spewed such rederic, so -- I have other idiots to quote as well as my replies to them. All nice and pre-fab. Cool, eh?
I will start with !INVADER-ZYLA1 who so ignorantly stated in his reply "The army has been saving our sorry asses for years. You, my friend, are a crock of shit."
He got his ass handed to him when I responded with "Please tell these iraq war vets [link] that they are a crock of shit, too. seeing as they share my opinion. lets not forget the viet nam vets such as my dad and many more who agree with me. not to mention the over 150,000 vets currently HOMELESS and our government refuses to help them out. please tell all of these people how full of shit they are too. i'd love to see you do that
Of course, he got off the hook far easier than ~JWeeksUSARMY when he claimed "The Army isn't as much a crock of shit as you might think. I'm not going to get into a debate, but I will say this. Less than 1% of the people in the United States join any sort of armed forces that it watched over by the department of defense. You must be sick in the head if you don't think im god damned proud to serve." to which I responded "I am anti-iraq war. Not anti-soldiers. Right now, our government is wasting lives (among other things) in the persuit of profit.
My father agrees with me and he served his tour of duty in Viet Nam. He'd think you're sick in the head for daring to call me sick in the hear for being against a pointless war.
Also -- while you are at it -- check out these other soldiers: [link]
Make sure you let these guys know that they are sick in the head too. We obviously all need professional help for not being blood thirsty.
Defense I've got nothing wrong with. Soldiers I've got nothing wrong with. Wasteful loss of life -- this I have a problem with.
So go shoot some rounds into the air or something. It's better than acting as if anyone who disagrees with you is somehow sick / unpatriotic.
My father is both saddened and ashamed when he sees people like you talk this sort of dung.
I'll quote him directly -- "I risked my life for my country and my country betrayed us all!"
There are over 150,000 HOMELESS VIET NAM VETS RIGHT NOW. Go preach your bullshit to them and see what they think of it. Who is helping them? Those of the less than 1% who served. Those who bleed for this country -- and now they are homeless and abandoned by the very country they risked their life for.
Peach your pseudo-patriotic rhetoric elsewhere. You're nuts.
By the way -- how were you so sure that I never served? I didn't, but you're not a mind reader. You sure as hell didn't know my Dad served in Viet Nam. You also didn't know that my grand father served in World War 2.
So save your hate for someone who gives a fuck."
You of course, have earned a special seat of honor. As you've pretty much been the glue which has bound all of this together. Next hateful inbred redneck, trigger happy for a fight online because they'd shoot themselves in the foot with a real gun -- gets to simply get a paste of all of this, which I may even include in the artist details.
Now, lets get down to brass tax, shall we?
- it doesn't mater to you that my father served in viet nam and went through a hell you could never imagine. the fact that he agrees with me, make him your enemy.
- the veterans against the iraq war link i've given you. well, those vets -- in your mind -- are obviously a bunch of treacherous pussies. doesn't mater that they are your brothers and sisters in arms -- they have offended your ego and tiny penis, so -- they must pay with their own blood.
- there are over 150,000 vets homeless right now. seeing as you are a good little mindless sheep who believes everything the government tells him and you do as your told like a good little robot -- i am sure you do not see these homeless and disabled vets as being betrayed by our government. some how, some way -- obviously they got what they deserved. at least, in your mind they did.
- you just joined DA today and with nothing in your gallery, no favs, no nada -- your priority goal here is obviously to cause problems for people, not to contribute to the deviantART community. you will find your stay to be short and unpleasant. most people will ignore you. the rest (fellow trolls such as yourself) who have more balls than you do -- will make you regret having made an account here. then of course, theres the people like me. happy to laugh at you with gleeful enjoyment and take pleasure from your pain
What it all boils down to is: since daddy anally violated you as a child, you never ever get your way, you have pent up insecurities, a small penis and your testicles no longer function as they should -- the sudden realization that you are a waste of space on this earth, has you seeking redemption by blindly wanting to go off and fight a war you don't understand and with luck -- get yourself killed.
Well sir, I salute you! Go off now, good solider! Fight the good fight! Die the good death! The gene pool thanks you in advance, you inbred piece of dung!
This has been a public service message!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to ??? [2009-12-22 21:53:57 +0000 UTC]
I agree that as things stand, this would be an epic fail. But once the world is woken up and properly educated, this would be a success. So, we all just need to do our parts to assist with the waking up process. It won't happen over night and won't happen at all if we do nothing.
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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-22 23:19:16 +0000 UTC]
so what CAN I DO? what can i do to educate people on an Awakaning of humanity?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-22 23:32:53 +0000 UTC]
I thought I've explained this both clearly and redundantly
Wake YOURSELF UP and THEN you will educate people simply by being yourself and setting the right example! When you see a nice person, you know you are seeing a nice person because their words are backing their actions and their actions are genuine and honest. Through this observation, they are teaching you to be the same way by example, provided you're paying attention
When you see a fucking jaggoff, you know you are seeing a total waste of humaniy because their words are backing their actions too -- as they lie, cheat, use, abuse and act like a complete ignorant cock smoker. Through this observation, they too are teaching by example and they're either teaching you how to see the same way -- or -- they are teaching you that idiots do serve a valid purpose: ENTERTAINMENT!
So, if you want to educate then LEARN. If you want to get people out of bad habits, get yourself out of yours. If you want to shift the thinking of others, shift your OWN thinking first.
It's like Gandhi said -- you must BECOME the change you are looking to create. How can you create change without becoming the change, anyways? That would be a lot like trying to have a plumber fix a computer!!
Conversations like this are my way of educating people like you. When I rant mini-novel journal entries about my thoughts on these various topics -- anyone who gives a shit enough to read them, becomes inspired. Even if they flat out DISAGREE with what I am saying they are STILL being inspired to THINK INDEPENDENTLY. They are still going into a mode of self education even if their reason for doing their own research is "i really do NOT agree with that guy Dave!"
Who agrees with you or not, is irrelevant. Its all about getting people motivated to do any sort of thinking AT ALL because most people don't!
Now I'm sure you're going to say "what about the people who blindly refuse to listen?" ... well, the answer may be cruel but: fuck em'
Free will can be a bitch like that. You can't force people to care and sadly, they do reserve the right to the choice of not giving a shit. They will either wake up when they become ready to, or they'll eventually kill themselves doing something stupid!
Changing the world in this way is a lot like giving birth to a baby: creating something beautiful often time requires lots of pain.
But, its worth it -- and -- its better than sitting there with your thumb up your ass feeling sorry for yourself
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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-23 00:05:43 +0000 UTC]
Yeah i guess tha makes ALOT of sence!
So i should be polite to people, and educate them on free will and getting there heads out of there ass and learning about other people instead of who Bush is buying crack from?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-23 00:57:45 +0000 UTC]
Educate them by taking care of your own issues. Right now you're conflicted and having trouble being what you believe. You must be a living example of your belief system. Get your own issues in check -- whatever those issues might be (i don't claim to know what they are, but every human has them lol) -- and the person you become will in and of itself teach others how to accomplish the same.
Jesus didn't go around barking orders. He went around being the sort of person he thinks others should be -- and doing what he thought was right. All he did that made him such a great inspiration, is what most others don't do: he had the courage to be himself and voice his opinions.
Sure, he performed a lot of what people perceived as miracles -- but its like Joan of Ark once said: "its only a miracle when you don't understand how it was done"
Jesus tapped into Quantum Physics and did some mad skill shit. So, props to him for being so open minded. Doesn't mean he was doing anything magical. Everything that can be done, has a scientific explanation. I'm sure a laptop would seem magical to a cave man ... but, its not magical. Its technological!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-24 00:31:32 +0000 UTC]
Its what I like to call "deceptively simple". This is because it will be very difficult for you to do, because it is so unbelievably easy to do. The lack of belief is the key here. Most things we know about reality are fucked, yet our minds will still battle us to let go of them -- especially in the face of evidence which contradicts our beliefs.
The technical term for this (and a cool sounding one, in my opinion) is a "paradigm shift" (phonetic: para-dime). People can have these shifts as individuals, nations can have these shifts and these shifts can also sweep the planet globally. The Internet is the reason that for the first time ever, a paradigm shift has started to sweep globally. The Internet gives a 9 year old the syndication power of a multi-billion dollar cooperation -- so lets not take this for granted.
Its an awesome resource which gives us power previously only reserved for the rich elite.
I can also suggest some DVD Documentaries you can check out to assist you with your personal shift. I'll have to note you about that if you want them though. You'll understand why if you say you wish me to do so
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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-24 15:37:57 +0000 UTC]
yeah i would kind of like to see some of those vids.
i know its amazing how small children can hold the wealth of walmart in there hands, just by owning a computer with online abilities
Merry Christmas Eve Btw
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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-24 20:14:36 +0000 UTC]
I'll note you soon then
Not the wealth, the power
You can have power without money -- but having an Internet Connection won't make you a multi-millionaire
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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-24 23:45:33 +0000 UTC]
are you SURE that i wont be a multi-millionare, even though i DO have internet?
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paradigm-shifting In reply to LEO-Recon [2009-12-25 01:06:41 +0000 UTC]
No -- I'm sure that having an internet connection doesn't guarantee you money
Oh and you're welcome for the watch!
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LEO-Recon In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-25 20:48:02 +0000 UTC]
thank you! merry christmas
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-03 03:54:59 +0000 UTC]
Excuse me, but I am an "Intellectual-homosexual Anti-Fascist-Revolutionary Free-Thinking-Harmonically-Defiant Asshole". Just to correct you
For more info, also see Benjamin Franklin: [link]
Have a wonderful day!
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Warlord-chris In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-03 15:40:24 +0000 UTC]
Eh, Just a little speed boost to your ideas. [link]
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-03 16:20:50 +0000 UTC]
I disagree with most of what is said on that link. Hitler was very skilled however with using fear, hate and an imagined enemy to gain control over people to sound a battle cry -- much like all governments do today.
Governments have gotten so good at it, that now we can even wage war on words in the English dictionary and use this as an excuse for conquest of other lands. "The War On Terror". Yeah, 4 letter words are bad enough. Its those 6 letter words you've really got to watch out for
I agree with defending ones rights, but I do not believe in needless bloodshed. If my desire to not want our troops dying so that a bunch of rich assholes can get richer, is not a form of support for our troops -- then I guess I fail to see what is a form of support for them.
I've said all I can say about this in my earlier replies to people who have commented negatively. If nothing else -- all I can say is that art is art, humor is humor -- opinions may be like assholes, but everyone has the right to theirs. God help us if one day that right is removed completely and we can be executed in public and have our families murdered, simply because we dared to speak a view which our government didn't want us to speak.
Anyone who would dare call someone unpatriotic or disloyal, simply because they disagreed with an action the US Government is taking -- has no concept of what patriotism or loyalty is. Much less freedom.
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Warlord-chris In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-04 01:10:10 +0000 UTC]
Mmmm. You do have a point. You are good at this, you really should be In politics. (No Joke)Also, Hitler was VERY good at what he did that is why I have a deep respect towards him.
I do respect your views on the current situation. I wish you will respect mine as well. Mutual respect.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-04 12:05:17 +0000 UTC]
Thanks Sure beats being called a homosexual fascist
Hitler had the same problem as most genius', which is ego. Hitler was a genius, but any actions based in fear and hate cloud the mind which leads to mistakes.
If he used his genius for peace rather than war, he could probably have brought the world together into one government and become the first president of the planet. Instead, he got hateful and greedy which guaranteed his failure.
How many empires must fall and how many corporations must go bankrupt before the human race realizes that when you add shit to the pile, all you have is a larger pile of shit?
I think Einstein was right, with his definition of insanity: "the purest form of insanity, is when you repeat the same things over and over, always getting the exact same results each time -- while always expecting a different end result!"
Hitler did not learn from history but has anyone?
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Omilophile In reply to paradigm-shifting [2010-07-30 07:34:54 +0000 UTC]
I was startin' to like you, man, but now you're startin' to freak me out. "He could probably have brought the world together into one government and become the first president of the planet." While I realize that you didn't openly advocate a one world government, it still seems as though you don't mind it. Any one-world government would undoubtedly infringe upon every right we have. The only way to get a world like that is to deceive the masses into thinking it's good for them. The media would have you believe that peace would reign if we all "lived in harmony." Due to the fact that man, BY NATURE, is violent, greedy, and selfish, I don't believe this can ever be attained. It will be an ever so slow deception, that you'll never see it coming. You'll slowly start to think that a one world government will be good. If Congressman are so easily corrupted, do you honestly think the leader or leaders of THE WORLD would just do everything right? Maybe you're right. There wouldn't be any wars. There would be incidences, insurrections, uprisings, and whatever other names the government would come up with to make it appear as though nothing was wrong. Also, a government that big needs a LOT of money. An acquisition here, a literally hostile takeover there, maybe add a dash of extortion, and you've got your money problems solved. Once again, man is inherently greedy and selfish. Do you think that the people in power aren't going to be? Do you think human nature will go away just because we're under on big roof? I sometimes forget this myself, but the problem isn't the government. That's merely a symptom. The problem is man himself. I know you don't want to hear that because nobody wants to. It's so much easier to blame others for our problems. DISCLAIMER: If this doesn't apply to you, don't let it. This is for anyone who thinks that anarchy, overthrowing the government, or a one world government is a good idea. If you are one of those people, I suggest you read it carefully, honestly consider what I've said, and go from there. If you're not one of those people, ignore my rant. I wouldn't mind some clarity as to what you meant though.
P.S. Once again, I apologize for the length of this.
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Omilophile In reply to Omilophile [2010-07-31 08:13:06 +0000 UTC]
I was starting to like you, man, but now you're starting to freak me out. "He could probably have brought the world together into one government and become the first president of the planet."
While I realize that you didn't openly advocate a one world government, it still seems as though you don't mind it. Any one-world government would undoubtedly infringe upon every right we have. The only way to get a world like that is to deceive the masses into thinking it's good for them. The media would have you believe that peace would reign if we all "lived in harmony."
Due to the fact that man, BY NATURE, is violent, greedy, and selfish, I don't believe this can ever be attained. It will be an ever so slow deception, that you'll never see it coming. You'll slowly start to think that a one world government will be good. If Congressman are so easily corrupted, do you honestly think the leader or leaders of THE WORLD would just do everything right?
Maybe you're right. There wouldn't be any wars. There would be incidences, insurrections, uprisings, and whatever other names the government would come up with to make it appear as though nothing was wrong.
Also, a government that big needs a LOT of money. An acquisition here, a literally hostile takeover there, maybe add a dash of extortion, and you've got your money problems solved. Once again, man is inherently greedy and selfish. Do you think that the people in power aren't going to be? Do you think human nature will go away just because we're under on big roof?
I sometimes forget this myself, but the problem isn't the government. That's merely a symptom. The problem is man himself. I know you don't want to hear that because nobody wants to. It's so much easier to blame others for our problems.
DISCLAIMER: If this doesn't apply to you, don't let it. This is for anyone who thinks that anarchy, overthrowing the government, or a one world government is a good idea. If you are one of those people, I suggest you read it carefully, honestly consider what I've said, and go from there. If you're not one of those people, ignore my rant. I wouldn't mind some clarity as to what you meant though.
P.S. I am reposting this because I was disgusted with my previous one being a big eye-straining chunk.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Omilophile [2010-08-03 00:06:04 +0000 UTC]
My point was simply that Hitler fucked up Someone can be a genius and a moron in equal measure. Ironic, isn't it?
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Warlord-chris In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-04 21:26:37 +0000 UTC]
True. If anyone should be president of the world it should be John Henry Eden.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-04 21:50:51 +0000 UTC]
I'm still rather curious as to what you disagree with about my deviation though. That is how this conversation started.
I'm sure you are well aware that we are in Iraq to waste lives so rich assholes can get richer. You don't think the rich government cares about people, I'm sure. Governments kill their own citizens for profit all the time, even when there isn't a war.
Its funny how many people have looked at this deviation and because they didn't bother reading anything, they read it as "anti-soldier" rather than "pro-saving lives".
What does however surprise me -- is that the majority who started out on a "fuck you" actually calmed down enough to realize the true purpose of the deviation and ended up apologizing to me.
The reason this shocks me, is just because people in general as a whole -- are brainwashed intellectually lethargic sheeple. People who are quick to attack, usually are quick to attack for the thrill of waring with people online in forums -- not because of any higher purpose or in defense of anything.
This said, the minority who were idiots who remained hostile -- quickly gave up when they were not succeeding in their agenda to goad me into a hostile online confrontation.
Why should I be offended, anyways? Until or unless I *know* someone, its all just a random bunch of colorful textual idiotic pointless meaningless expletives being tossed at me like snow balls, simply because the person has nothing else better to do.
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Warlord-chris In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-05 14:28:16 +0000 UTC]
Me no apologizing. I Support War! Death! and The Army! It seems you don't.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-05 15:10:12 +0000 UTC]
I never said you apologized. I simply asked what you didn't like about the deviation. Although you did go from pointless flaming to civil conversation, so that is a plus. You're more civilized than you give yourself credit!
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Warlord-chris In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-12-05 16:15:58 +0000 UTC]
Eh, I do have an extremely bad temper. So that undermines my civil behavior.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Warlord-chris [2009-12-05 16:34:37 +0000 UTC]
I used to have one of those. I learned to control it though. How to control it is easy, as far as -- if you read an explanation on how its done, its not rocket science. But -- actually going about doing it takes a lot of time and effort. Though, its not impossible.
They key is also getting mad enough at your temper to want to get rid of it, as ironic as that sounds. Just being so sick of who you are and how you are that you become angry enough for your mind to be open to the concept of change.
That instead of thinking "well i can't!" you're so mad that you say "fuck can't, i'm gonna do it cuz i'm just sick of feeling like this!"
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Melancholy-cicero [2009-11-03 03:35:42 +0000 UTC]
A fair and open minded reply. Thank you
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Melancholy-cicero In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-11-03 19:04:49 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome
Honestly it just depends on how you look at the subject. I'm pro military but anti war and government, and i didn't take offense to your work.
Besides art is about expression and freedom of speech if people do not like what you have to say through your work then they don't have to look at it!
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Melancholy-cicero [2009-11-03 20:13:26 +0000 UTC]
True Although my art is more "pro-saving-lives" and isn't really "anti-anything". What we resist, persists. Which is why the war on drugs has just lead to more drugs, the war on terror has just lead to more terror and the list goes on.
I think Mother Theresa said it best: "i refuse to attend an anti-war demonstration but if you ever have a pro-peace rally, invite me!"
Smart woman
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Melancholy-cicero In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-11-04 05:21:20 +0000 UTC]
Yes, she was a smart woman.
Wars on anything seem pointless.
The more the government works at these programs, the worse it gets.
(I feel)The time and money the government has wasted in such "wars" could have been put to better use like education and the Va.
Though I do wish that some people wouldn't confuse politics for patriotism.
I looked through your gallery and i felt it was very informative. Very nice.
Thank you for the interest in my gallery.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Melancholy-cicero [2009-11-04 06:24:06 +0000 UTC]
I think you'll also like some of my journals as well then Thanks!
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artbyJeremy In reply to ??? [2009-09-12 16:44:56 +0000 UTC]
The crock of shit is, well it is you. You don't support the war--yet support the troups? Go tell to someone else. I served and you wanna know something--those were the best years of my life. I have been out for 17 years now. Everytime I something like this, all I say is get a pair, grab a weapon, and stand a watch. What about the prez who said LAST YEAR we need to get out of the fight and have a talk with our "enemies". You need to make something for him to see...or all you just talk and little or nothing else.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to artbyJeremy [2009-09-12 17:12:22 +0000 UTC]
"I'm not anti-soldiers, but I am pro-saving lives. I can understand doing whats right. I really don't want you or anyone else to die for the sake of some rich asshole's profits. If you're going to risk your life or even die, I'd rather it be in defense of your country. Is that such a crock of shit? I take it you didn't read any of the detailed text. Or how my father, a Viet Nam Vet fully agrees with me. Or how about the links I posted for Veterans against the war. They grabbed their pair, grabbed their weapon, stood watch and even used their weapons they stood watch with. So what do you have to say to them? Are they spineless traitors for agreeing with me?"
I'd just like to add to what I said here with the fact that my fathers email address is pondscapewally [at] gmail [dot] com. Please tell him that he is a crock of shit with no balls for agreeing with me. I think it would be amusing to watch him school you about the cold hard facts about the Vietnam War. What he suffered through. What he experienced. And for him to tell you exactly where you can stick the hate you hold towards people who would rather save lives than fight wars for profit. Please. Lets see what one Vet has to say to another. It would be quite interesting, don't you think?
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artbyJeremy In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-09-13 12:46:18 +0000 UTC]
As a VFW I have respect for all who have came before and after me in our armed forces. This is not about them--it's about people like you. I have seen cambat. I have talked with 1000's of vets from all wars and all walks of life. Being "schooled" is laughable.
You, like so many others before you, miss the point.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to artbyJeremy [2009-09-13 14:53:23 +0000 UTC]
Well then, I guess you're just all talk and nothing much else. You see, my father agrees with me on all of this. So, he is allowed to agree but I'm not? Haha. Talk about back peddling. Do you know what he said about your sorry ass? Because I did tell him about this -- though he predicted you'd be too big of a pussy to email him. lol
He said he's seen your type many times before. That either you did your rounds but saw ZERO ACTION and you feel like you got screwed out of your opportunity. Or you were nothing but a desk monkey jealous of those out on the field. He told me you're nothing but a cry baby. He's seen your type before.
He also said that if you did email him, he'd just laugh at you. He'd ask you if you've ever had to go for weeks at a time wearing clothes soaked in the blood of your fellow soldiers who died in your arms. He said he'd ask you if you've ever seen your comrades blown apart by grenades. If you've ever had to carry a comrade to safety -- with the bottom half of him missing and his intestines hanging out. If you ever had to deal with fighting off gangrene foot rot. Mosquitoes the size of half dollars. And a lot more horrors. And all for what? Rich assholes concerned about rubber trees.
So yes, he predicted that you're a coward and if you don't beleive me, I gave you his email. Ask him. He served in Viet Nam from 1968 to 1969. He fully agrees with my stance on this and he says you are a piece of shit for saying all of this to me -- and that you are the traitor for talking this way to me as it is an insult to him as well as those who served in Iraq who are against the war.
So either email my father about it, or stop crying to me. Don't get me wrong, tho. Neither of us are mad or anything. I think people like you are amusing. You treat life like a gamer of quake 3 and you have no respect for others.
But I will say that if you wanna die to make some rich assholes richer, go smoke some crack and have an overdose. It'll be more fun than the ways you wanna die
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artbyJeremy In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-09-13 19:02:48 +0000 UTC]
Did you read AND understand anything I wrote? You keep saying "my father this, my father that". What the hell have you done to change things? As to what I did in the service, I was not a REMF. Do you understand that? I said I RESPECT FOR HIM AND EVERYONE before me who had served.
How can your father say such things about another service member is beyond me.
The way you talk is funny. You talk as if YOU had been in combat. YOU had seen friends get cut in half. YOU had seen a landmine take off a leg. YOU had seen a friend die from a grenade from a hole in the ground.
All you talk about is "my father agrees with me". I don't play gamer games, but you must. It is you, your talking about above, it fits your mind set.
Let this last little bit sink in, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOUR FATHER DID it's about what you are not doing. Please, I know it's hard for you, please try and understand this and quit running to your daddy for a simple confortation on the web.
artbyJeremy--supporting our brave men and women who make it so you can cut down those that have served.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to artbyJeremy [2009-09-13 22:04:50 +0000 UTC]
You talk as if combat is the only way to serve. As if war is the only answer. And as if being pro-peace is the same thing as being anti-soldier. Its amazing how you totally miss my point to satisfy your need to shoot at people. This time, with words instead of bullets.
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artbyJeremy In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-09-16 23:38:04 +0000 UTC]
Let me brake it down for you, ok?
1st. Seeing this ARMY logo is hitting at the Army. It's soldiers. No 2 ways about it. Don' t clam otherwise. The Army years were the best because everyone gave 100%, all worked hard for the same goals. Civilian life, most people just want to "get by" at doing their job. *read this slowly--I said " What about the prez who said LAST YEAR we need to get out of the fight and have a talk with our "enemies". You need to make something for him to see" You never answered this.
2nd. As far as writing to "your father" how do I know that it is really him and not you at the other end. I'm not that stupid. If your father was ever in the service, much less in 'Nam, I sad that I have RESPECT for him. Then you "claim" he said things about me and my duty in the US ARMY. I've asked before, how can he say these things to another service member? Then you talk about me "smoking crack and dieing" I have never done an illegal drug in my life, nor do I ever intend to.
3rd. I never said "combat is the only way to serve" I said "You talk as if YOU had been in combat. YOU had seen friends get cut in half. YOU had seen a landmine take off a leg. YOU had seen a friend die from a grenade from a hole in the ground."
Notice how the you is all caps? It was just to point out that all you say is "my father said" I never said I have a need to shoot other people. So lets not get that twisted, ok?
4th.Time "warrior"(kind of like a "gamer's handle, isn't it?) Your point? What is actually your point? I leave you with this "What about the prez who said LAST YEAR we need to get out of the fight and have a talk with our "enemies". You need to make something for him to see...or all you just talk and little or nothing else.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to artbyJeremy [2009-09-12 17:07:09 +0000 UTC]
I'm not anti-soldiers, but I am pro-saving lives. I can understand doing whats right. I really don't want you or anyone else to die for the sake of some rich asshole's profits. If you're going to risk your life or even die, I'd rather it be in defense of your country. Is that such a crock of shit? I take it you didn't read any of the detailed text. Or how my father, a Viet Nam Vet fully agrees with me. Or how about the links I posted for Veterans against the war. They grabbed their pair, grabbed their weapon, stood watch and even used their weapons they stood watch with. So what do you have to say to them? Are they spineless traitors for agreeing with me?
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Haku-lives In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-09-12 23:50:30 +0000 UTC]
And I also like how you are really educated about what you believe and write as well. I'm a person who believes that now we need to move towards unification and peace. I'm not against soldiers per se but I believe there could definitely be less of them.
And I also think it's quite humorous the ignorant hate mail you get for this, how they get all upset over this and don't read the details. Though I am a smidge confused on how "rich assholes get richer"?
Love the educated wittiness.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Haku-lives [2009-09-13 00:20:57 +0000 UTC]
I think its less about peace and more about joy, contentment, cooperation and respect. Cuz when you think about peace -- peace by whos definition? The UN? The corporations? Know what I mean?
I think learning how to communicate and respect each other is the first step towards anything resembling peace. I also think the Internet is the key and it is happening right now.
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Haku-lives In reply to paradigm-shifting [2009-09-13 18:43:35 +0000 UTC]
True. True. You've just redefined parts of my thinking.
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paradigm-shifting In reply to Haku-lives [2009-09-14 20:23:33 +0000 UTC]
Well, we all effect and influence each other. Just tons of people and ideas all zipping around and slamming into each other. Such is life
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paradigm-shifting In reply to ??? [2009-09-05 01:28:49 +0000 UTC]
I'm not anti-war. Anti-soldiers. Or anti-anything. I am simply Pro-Saving Lives. Thats what the trolls don't understand
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