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Just keeping it 100, I've been at this shit for almost 5 years now, the fanbase itself has been at this for almost 13 years, and what progress has been made?At this point, people need to stop making excuses, stop acting like having an opinion means you can dismiss reality, and take some responsibility for their actions instead of crying to other people on the internet whenever you get called on your shit.
At the end of the day, Sonic has been failing under this man-child regime, and Izuka himself came out and said he has no idea about Sonic's future, even though that's been evident since after 06, arguably when he decided not to make SA3 and made Heroes instead.
Just saying, years of the same bullshit and we haven't gotten anywhere, and we want, no matter how much you fangasm over childish and nostalgia pandering, which has been going on for 8 years with nothing to show for it.
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ehhΒ the dialogue in sonic is what sucks not the story the dialogue two different things
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The dialgoue is part of the story, and the story itself does suck. The fuckin thing Eggman made was destroyed not too far into the game, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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what if the dialogue sucks for voice acting the story itself is the plot of which things take place in with a thrilling conclusion dialogue is the way the characters talk the plot sounds good on paper but when the dialogue is here it gives the impression the story is ruined
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"I've been at this shit for almost 5 years now, the fanbase itself has been at this for almost 13 years, and what progress has been made?"
Have I ever mentioned to you what the definition of insanity is?
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I would but you're arguing against me and True Sonic Spirit in favor of the shit I've stated has gone on for 13 years.
Also, I didn't name myself Psyco for nothing. At least wise up if you're going to try and get smart with me.
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If you've noticed, I haven't done that in months. You guys have trouble listening to reason, I've got better things to do with my time. PeaceΒ
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When you've done it is irrelevent, you argue in behalf of people who've been arguing the same thing for years and have been wrong the whole time. You can't have trouble listening to people have been repeating the same shit for 13 years.
On top of that, much like those other people, you come up with some excuse and pretending you have better things to do.
Keep proving me right, lol.
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Hey read this! Yuji Naka himself did not want Sonic to be cutesy:
board.sonicstadium.org/topic/2β¦
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I been and known Sonic was originally suppose to be cool, it was the one thing that set him apart from every other Mario ripoff. Still, this goes to show Naka leaving had an impact on Sonic, especially when he was made to look "soft" right after 06, for Unleashed.
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ok heres what I want to ask, as someone who started up with the classics (first game was sonic 2) as time went on I was raised and taught to accept change, I didnt have to agree with it but change happens, however like you said most people in the fandom (not all but most) are so stuck on the nostalgia pandering me as someone who grew up with the classics...are bored with it at this point, like I want a fun sonic game to play new places to see, good story balance, fun mechanics, and overall fun gameplay. thats all I want, a fun game with new things but is still a sonic game at its core. thats just me though. again Im tired of it I havent touched mania since it came out I played it numerous times at release and that was it havent touched it in months. I find myself playing more of forces than mania.
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Fandom has changed. It's no longer about games, ideologies, or OCs. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by manchildren and autists. Fandom - and its consumption of free time - has become a well-oiled machine. Fandom has changed. Corporate slave fans carry corporate slave DRM, use corporate slave consoles. Red bull inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Console control. Information control. Emotion control. Forum control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. Fandom has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control...All in the name of averting shitty games from incompetentΒ corporations. And he who controls the social media account...controls history. Fandom has changed. When the twitter page is under total control...Fandom becomes routine.
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"Fandom has changed. It's no longer about games, ideologies, or OCs. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by manchildren and autists."
Your comment matches perfectly with this:Β comments.deviantart.com/1/5973β¦
They are supposed to be talking about shipping with Amy Rose but look what happened in the comments section of this link.
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I was satirizing a Metal Gear Solid 4 monologue.
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Still it matches the link perfectly.
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It does. Pretty funny since the quote I was satirizing is also ahead of its time
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I used to worry about Sonic franchise a lot back in 2015 but now I don't really care about Sonic anymore because I feel like ever since I've realized that the fanbase and SEGA won't improve themselves no matter happens, I stopped taking them and the series seriously.
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Best game we've had since 2010, though I think much of the flak it gets is from people having high expectations of it when they shouldn't have. In any case it's ok, it's not the best game but it's far from the worse like people act like it is, though I'm still against boosting and classic sonic.
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Dear God, SEGA! Either get your act together or just stop while you're behind! AND THAT GOES DOUBLE FOR THE ASSHOLE FANBASE!
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I have to wonder Psyco. Are some of these people that have been making noise for 13 years now are related to Nintendo? I say this on the notion from how during the Genesis Era you had SoA mocking Nintendo and Mario that this is considered revenge by turning a rival series into their own image
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13 YEARS?! THIS SHIT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 13 FUCKING YEARS?!!
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I can't stress it enough dude, these fanboys have been at this shit for 13 years, though it's worth noting they only said Sonic was for kids when Sonic Colors came out, before then they blamed kids for how "bad" the series had gotten around 06.
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I blame the rose-tinted glasses wearing retards in the fandom more than the children.
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What could you blame children for? Playing the games they wanted to play? Not like it matters now, many of them are off playing COD, GTA, and sports games.
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Among other titles XD
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This goes for every division and sub division of Sonic as now we're all just fighting war of attritions. Trying to outlast each other inΒ conflicts that will see no end.
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Actually no, it goes for the people who started this shit. I don't see why the people who actually are fans and weren't the ones picking fights with everyone who didn't agree with them, should be blamed for defending themselves or this franchise.
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Everyone should be blamed if they had a share in the crime. If you're innocent then that's on you but you can't act as if there aern't people who are Sonic fans who actively went to find conflict. You are in a way but you can't ignore those who have done fallacies.
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lol, this isn't about innocence, it's calling out the people who made the decisions to start wars over this franchise because of 2 games they didn't like, and I wont take blame just because I choose to speak against it no matter who feels about what I say and I want have anyone else taking blame either. So what, if a kid hits another kids you're going to get mad at the other kid for fighting back? Sorry but that makes no sense man, and once more many people ignored these guys when they first started, and look how our fanbase turned out afterward. I pointed out this shit started 13 years ago, a lot of guys like me and the SA3 facebook page barely did anything until a few years ago, as I've stated, I've been at this almost 5 years, not even half the amount of time since all this drama started.
So no, I'm not going to call fallacies on someone because they decided to call someone on their bullshit, and doing that yourself is actually a fallacy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_eqβ¦
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It's called accountability. Everyone is responsible for what fire they started even if they mean it for good intentions. Of course that isn't literally but it means if someone goes around throwing stones at glass houses and you decide to start throwing stones too even if it is in the defense of retailiation you're still responsible for the fallout. You can sit here and tell me most people do it to "defend themselves" which is true as not one will I argue that but from the outsider they have their opinions to say whatever they want and people will react to that. Not everyone is innocent in this equation which is what my point was which is what I was trying to say when I made my post. No matter the division of what sub group is in the fandom there is that group of people who want to start the fire for the sake of seeing how much it would spread.Β
I was in agreement with you but arguing my own point that not everyone can play the victim when they may be the attacker.
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Then you're simply judging everyone under the same pretentions when you know full way that's not the case. You can't say someone has be to accountable for a fallout that had already fell out years before they got to it, especially when the people who were there that didn't retaliate, you pushed out of every major forum, some of which had banned talk on Sonic Adventure 3. You can't say one is playing the victim when they had already been ganged up on and harrassed by the other side over and over for years. The opinions of someone on the outside has no validation if they haven't taken the time to find out what's going on, since the very definition of the word opinion is a statement that may not be based on reality.
If me or anyone else is going to be called out simply for speaking out then what value is the subject at hand to you if you ignore the facts? To that point if I'm going to be accountable for anything, it's not going to be for shit that started before I got here, but just for and only speaking out about it, and since that not wrong in any case, there is no fault on my end or anyone else who choose to do the same.
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You seem to be ignoring what I'm saying...this is the biggest issue with the fandom right now the only reason the narrative still exists is because you allow it to exists. it's 2018 not the early to late 2000s or the 2010s and people for the most part have tried to grow out of the fandom cock fights and just left this fandom altogether. What you're stating is a problem from inside and we can't sit here and keep blaming everyone else for all out issues as the fandom.
If me or anyone else is going to be called out simply for speaking out then what value is the subject at hand to you if you ignore the facts?Β
Speaking out isn't even an issue that isn't what I'm saying as it seems to be you're trying to string the argument towards yourself. My point was the collective as a Sonic fan when someone ignites the flame and are uneducated about they're saying you have two options. You enlighten them on what it is they're in the dark about or you can just leave if it's a venomoius post to bait people. You know why people make those posts...it's because people fall for it and give these outsiders the attention that they think they deserve. I'm not talking about your freedom to speak out and I have no idea where you infered that (again stringing the narrative to yourself is the exact thing I'm talking about). As a Sonic fan we already have an unchangable dihcotomy in the eyes of an observer and even fans themself see that there'san internal issue. Before we "speak out" to other people and tell them they're doing shit wrong maybe we should start seeing ourselves as the issue we've been for years and how we are our own enemy. You literally just said it yourself
"The opinions of someone on the outside has no validation if they haven't taken the time to find out what's going on, since the very definition of the word opinion is a statement that may not be based on reality."
If their opinions don't matter then don't give them the attention. Don't give them the time of day to write some caustic response as that leads to that accountablity thing I just mentioned and you're not understanding. You chose your battles even if you speak out against someone so expect the fallout whether it is positive or negative.
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You know I had some thoughts on what you said, which really just boils down to you sounding like you're coming up with ways to blame more people then you should, which is why I disagreed with it, especially when you know we aren't at fault for anything and have not done anything wrong to deserve that blame. Especially this part, "we should start seeing ourselves as the issue". Why should I, and you said we, which includes me unless you mean figuratively, see myself as an issue when the only thing I've done was call people out for not only being wrong but for purposely fucking up our fanbase for no good reason? Hence why I said I wont take blame for anything nor should anyone else who did not start this and only speaking out in response, nobody is randomly going to other people for a fight, that's actually what the man children of this fanbase do. It comes off as self hating simply for getting into the matter, why that is the makes no difference to me now.
The reason for that is, while I had already read your comment and just haven't replied yet, I was watching a video on youtube about some other matters and I heard a quote from someone the author of the video was talking about, that quote being to the effect of morality has no power. Now, I must've known this on a certain level though it's never been said outright, and given the state of affairs of a lot of shit, not just our fanbase, I believe this to be true. Applied to this argument now, this is what it seems like it's coming to, you have some sense of morality, as it seems, that is coming before the actual argument and the details of it. I said it makes no difference to me now and it doesn't because at the end of it, you wanting us to see ourselves as an issue has no benefit of it nor will it effect anything, there's certainly no browny points to be had from it, and that wouldn't make a difference either, mainly due to the fact there is no power or anything to gain from it.
Point is, morality doesn't have a place here cause if it did we wouldn't have these argument in the first place, and even those who may seem to be moral still advocate ignorance under the guise of their own morality. I'm not saying you should have it, I'm saying it serves no purpose here, especially again, nothing wrong was done, and knowing I myself aren't an issue, and many of the people I'm usually not talking about, there is next to no issue. The only thing that matters is power, mine being in how I chose to handle make memes in response to bullshit, and the power of the ignorant being in their constant attacking and arguing of anything and everything not 100% childish and light hearted, their numbers, and faking morality.
There is one other thing I have to comment on what you said here though.
"If their opinions don't matter then don't give them the attention. Don't give them the time of day to write some caustic response as that leads to that accountablity thing I just mentioned and you're not understanding. You chose your battles even if you speak out against someone so expect the fallout whether it is positive or negative."
1. The first part of your comment was on the subject of outsiders, and I'm wondering who exactly you meant by that. If you meant people outside of our fanbase and what is mistaken as infighting, those people hardly say anything or jump into these arguments because they don't give a damn about Sonic to do so. I've seen many different gamers outside of us Sonic fans, and it's mainly Nintendo fanbase who put the effort in bashing Sonic, I'd say 98% of it, or reviewers and certain famous gaming channels or or their gaming sub section. Those are usually the people I'm talking about, and given they put the most effort in the bullshit, they aren't outsiders by any means.
2. Maybe there is something I'm not understanding about what you're saying, but for the most part is sounds like you want to cast blame onto me and others, again, you said "Us" in this comment and "All sides" in your last one, and any little thing that can be considered blame worthy to you would automatically have me there along with others who've barely done anything, and you said yourself that we should see ourselves as an issue, yet again, we haven't done anything wrong in speaking out, regardless of what was exactly said or not. You say I should be held accountable and expect a fallout as if all this started when I got here. Of course I knew I would get in fights with other people and they were going to argue with me, you think I didn't think about that when I chose to start doing this almost 5 years ago, that I could suggest Sonic should be cool and not have fanboys yelling at me for it? lol, who do you take me for? I knew it would happen, what puzzles me is when people ALL OF A SUDDEN, and on the internet, find that moral high ground when before they would gang up on you and call you all out your name simply for being an adventure fan, but I have to look at myself as an issue. Yeah, no, I wont do that, feel free to do so if that's how you feel, but rethinking this and knowing this wont effect me as there is no power in it, I'm kinda over it. If I still failed to understand it, then that's how it's gotta be cause there's a lot of shit out there that doesn't sound right to me, and when approaching it with logic doesn't help, I start seeing what makes it seem wrong to me, and a lot of people do a poor job of convincing me different if I don't see something logically sound.
I typed a lot so I wont to make this point clear, if I keep this in my head I'm going to look at things in a way that pits "morality vs power", and I'd only go for morality if there's more logic in it then power, though logic itself is power, so it would be on a certain basis. Don't now if that would effect my future memes though.
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This was that serious to you? or did you just have to be right in some capacity. I long since thought you just didn't reply as you didn't want to stretch it any longer and to be honest I felt I came off too aggressive and should have never tried to esculate this to the level it got. But like nearly a week later here you are with an essay that I frankly don't have the time to read because of finals and I NEED to make sure these are correct otherwise it would be aheavy blow to my grade. Psyco you didn't need to make this reply if you were over it your silence is enough for me as I don't see this "internet war" bullcrap most people want ot make confliction out to be.Β
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"This was that serious to you? or did you just have to be right in some capacity."
More or less I'm wondering how I'm I the one that should see myself as an issue or any of us if we've done nothing wrong, and you know I argue anyway so are you that surprised? It doesn't help that you provided no real reason behind your statement other then "we need to take accountability" when this shit had already been going on long before we showed up.
" I long since thought you just didn't reply as you didn't want to stretch it any longer and to be honest I felt I came off too aggressive and should have never tried to esculate this to the level it got. But like nearly a week later here you are with an essay that I frankly don't have the time to read"
Again dude, you're that surprised? I didn't comment because I didn't even feel like coming here for a while, I hadn't even known you wrote this when you did, I found it days later, and that was after making other comments I had.
"Psyco you didn't need to make this reply if you were over it your silence is enough for me"
I could easily say the same to you, but instead I decided to talk about it. I didn't call you anything out of your name, so don't get all mad because I did something you know full well I do on a regular basis. Also, I'm not silent for anyone. In fact the main reason why I still replied was outside of the convo, cause I didn't want to leave it hanging when I found it, to point some things out. It would've been a different story if I felt you were the kind of guy that was pointless to talk to.
"I don't see this "internet war" bullcrap most people want ot make confliction out to be."
If I may be so bold, if you don't see this intertnet war, which has been on for 13 years, why are you giving it the time of day, much like you said I don't have to give to outsiders?
On that note, if you don't want to keep going on with this, that's fine, we can leave it at that, I had a new outlook on it and I shared it, hell you can go ahead with accountability thing, I just wont be bothered by it as I formally was out of the fact that you're smart enough to know the circumstance of this conflict with biased haters, if that's how YOU feel., I just felt that despite this you were ignoring said circumstances to make everyone out to be wrong. I'll just take it as a case of not wanting to be right and keep going.
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Agree to disagree my friend....it can end things quicker without the issue getting severe and remember it's not about being right or wrong but you still had something to prove at the end of the day. To me if you leave the conversation hanging for that long you should just make the conscious decision to just don't bother with it entirely.Β
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If I have to agree to disagree on something, the subject was not worth the time of day, as it solves nothing. Also, what' wrong with having something to prove exactly? See, you having to say things like that is what gets me going but I will just leave it at this, cause honestly I didn't want to type as much as I did here anyway, it just sorta snowballed.
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Well there's the issue my man
"If I have to agree to disagree on something, the subject was not worth the time of day, as it solves nothing."
If that's how you view then that's fine but agreeing to disagree doesn't have to solve anything because not ever situation is going to have a definitive answer. You probably think I'm worthless to talk to and that's fine it's just that I've had personal issues (lack of sleep, school work, my job and my schedule has been FUBAR) which made me pretty jaded this week otherwise we could have kept going. I have to put momentum in areas that matter and this kind of thing gets lower and lower on my priorities.Β
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"You probably think I'm worthless to talk to and that's fine"
I was kinda hoping you read into what I was saying about that, but I was saying you are wort talking to because I know you're more intelligent then most of the people I run into or I wouldn't have kept this up, at this point we have different outlooks on this particular subject. Also, I always have lack of sleep, I swear I have insomnia or something but I'm use to it now.
Anyway, you're right, not every situation as a definitive answer, but they should, in fact most of what we dealing with does, many I've pointed out over the years. As harsh as I am on things, I have a need to approach things with logic and the need to have an answer, because that's far more productive then not doing so at all, as you can see with this franchise becoming the way that is has.
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I was kinda hoping you read into what I was saying about that, but I was saying you are wort talking to because I know you're more intelligent then most of the people I run into or I wouldn't have kept this up, at this point we have different outlooks on this particular subject. Also, I always have lack of sleep, I swear I have insomnia or something but I'm use to it now.
Yeah I sent you a note basically apologizing. It's what I do when I feel I don't need to leave a trashy impression to good people. I at least want to be nice to people who deserve it.
Anyway, you're right, not every situation as a definitive answer, but they should, in fact most of what we dealing with does, many I've pointed out over the years. As harsh as I am on things, I have a need to approach things with logic and the need to have an answer, because that's far more productive then not doing so at all, as you can see with this franchise becoming the way that is has.
I'd like to think I was being knowledge until I started being a jackass and yes our fandom has very clear issues. This week hasn't been my week sadly and that sucks as I had to miss a day of work in order to finish these fucking finals (That made me livid).
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This is why I stand by what IGN said about this fandom, their children who act like the good things we have our bad and keep changing their minds. Lord help Sega, they mind as well give up trying to make Sonic anything again.Β
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IGN said this? They advocated this shit! Since SA2 got ported to the gamecube, so they been at it before the fanbase was, so they have no right to say anything.
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"Greeatings!"
Β Halt, I recall information stating that "Sonic Heroes" was titled such so that new players would not feel obligated to play the previous "Sonic Adventure" games before "Heroes", especially since it was Sonic's first multi-platform game (such conveys the indication that "Heroes" may be the unofficial third-installment).Β Β Β Β
Β Also, just because a producer's name is featured upon a product, he may not posses full authority over it; heed, Tim Burton was credited as an executive producer of "Batman Forever" merely upon the account of him directing the previous two, and it still boggles my mind that the recent "Justice League" film credits Snyder as sole directer, ere he barely filmed any footage prior to his tragedy-induced retirement (Josh Swedon finished and re-shot most the film). -_-
~Ice~Β
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Yo, I was aware of everything in your first paragraph, but the fact remains that the problems he decisions caused far outweighed what he thought the alternative was.
For the most part, I know Izuka is just a figurehead for Sonic team, but the fact is he's been around Sonic since Sonic 3 and has been the head of Sonic Team since 1998 give or take, and in many of his past interviews, he talks as if everything that happens is by his decision, and it doesn't help his case that the franchise went further down hill once Yuji Naka left. So unless there's an outright statement that he has no say so in the matter, he does and should take some responsibility for what's being going on, the higher ups at SOJ are also to blame, I know, but they aren't the ones talking or showing up to anything.
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Don't forget about the Ilzukia apologist who act like Ilzukia isn't involve with the games even though his name been on every Sonic product since 1994 and took over Yuji Naka's place since 2006. And I bet they'll still defend him after he straight up said that Mania is just going to be a stand along game with no future pass plus and that childish cartoon.
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Well they'll play the cuckhold and stand by anything that fits their agenda. The fact that they stood by Boom pretty much sealed this.
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But the Boom TV show is good though
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Only if you like Teen Titans GO!
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