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Psyco-The-Frog — Response to AlphaOmegaSin's video on new Sonic Boo
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Published: 2015-07-02 07:50:28 +0000 UTC; Views: 2970; Favourites: 17; Downloads: 2
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Because that title was too long to fit the "M" in Boom, and even then, that entire canon is bad enough to be booed anyway, lol. Also, too long to include "Fire & Ice". XDAnyway, here's the guy's video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37Oqv…
Now, the guy talked a lot of shit in this video, as he usually does, and found entertaining in many in his videos. I actually don't agree with anything he said, aside from 1 comment anyway, and it's one I've heard so many times, and surprised that so many people don't realize how much sense this doesn't make. The comment was that Sega should take a break off Sonic and make other games, and I'm going to briefly explain why it doesn't make sense:
1. The last time Sonic got a break was in the mid 90's when the 3D era started, which did nobody any favors, and wont do it now.
2. Sega doesn't need to stop making Sonic games to work on other IP's when THEY HAVE constantly been making other games during their development. The correct answer to to have Sega stop working on games and make ones from back in the day. You can find those other games they make right on their own website: www.sega.com/games
If you look at that list and keep clicking on load more, you'll see that they have been quite busy. I didn't even know about many of the games on that list until now, like Hell Yeah! have an IOS game. Also, count the number of Total War games they made, how many you played, and how many you think could be replaced by those old school Sega classics we crave so much.
3. A lot of people keep forgetting that it's Sonic Team making the games, and you don't want them making other games from back in the day right now if so many people don't think they've done a good job with Sonic based on the constant quality argument. That in itself is subjective as hell given that, aside from 06, many Sonic titles were just as good or better then a good many of games on the market that many people neglect because of the few household names many of them choose to talk about. You can't tell me Secret Rings and Black Knight were so bad in quality that you preffered much of the shovelware that the Wii had to offer. The main reason many Sonic title aren't getting their credit is because they aren't like the ones we liked him for, mainly the classic and adventure games, but I still give the storybook games their credit, especially since Secret Rings sold more then the wii port of Colors, and a much better game in general.
Aside from that, the video was funny, and the comments i mainly filled with haters, and a few apologists trying to defend Boom. Fire and Ice itself, being based Shattered Crystal, doesn't say much for it even if it were seen as the better game compared to it's WiiU title, cause that game was boring a fuck. Better time would've been spent replaying one of the Game Gear or Advance games.....
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Secret Rings, a much better game in general than Colours? 
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1. Those are the things most people actually buy their games for, way more then "gameplay" and video game reviews.
2. Even with janky wii controls, the game is still better designed for Sonic gameplay then the day stages in unleashed, and Colors and Gens only seem like their better because they were easier.
3. Secret Rings also had much better music and background art style.
4. Secret Rings sold better then Colors did.
Secret Rings is the better game.
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"1. Those are the things most people actually buy their games for, way more then "gameplay" and video game reviews."
Then those people should go with Visual Novels instead. Since they obviously care more about being told a good story than actually playing a game.
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Lol, I see you fail to realize a combination of both make for the best experience, and have some hard feelings towards people who want that. If that's how you feel though, feel free to play a story-driven game without using a controller and see how far it gets you, then try coming back to me with another petty excuse for other entertainment.
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Lol, I see you fail to realize a combination of both make for the best experience.
Never said that. I've just noticed that you somehow believes that story is more important in games than the gameplay. It's really not. Gameplay first, story second. It's really that simple. If story really is that important to you that you don't care about the freaking gameplay, check out a movie. Or a cartoon, or anime or anything like that instead.
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"Never said that. I've just noticed that you somehow believes that story is more important in games than the gameplay."
You didn't say it, but the way you responded showed that was the case.
"Gameplay first, story second."
Says who? A very large amount of people would say story is what's most important to them.
"If story really is that important to you that you don't care about the freaking gameplay, check out a movie. Or a cartoon, or anime or anything like that instead."
Your respons is still telling me you have something against people preferring a good story in their game. You also seem to lack the simple part where it makes them BUY GAMES. If people truly didn't care about gameplay, they wouldn't buy games in the first place, and even then, most of us don't care about gameplay as a technical level that many of you on the internet do, except when there's an actual problem. I've played many games an the only time gameplay was an issue is when I was looking for a certain genre, and rarely does anybody actually care about how great it is if they can still have fun with it. It's only when the gameplay doesn't work, is when there's a problem.
Again, play a story-driven game without a controller and tell me how far it gets you. If you refuse to do so, you only prove just how stupid your argument is.
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Well. It's not. I'm not even a gamer anymore.
if I ever wanted to play games again I would prefer the gameplay to be awesome and the story to at least be decent. I f I want awesome story, I would go with Movies or Books.
No, I'm against when peoeple act like the story is EVERYTHING. It's still a game NOT a movie. It's a game therefore gameplay will always be prio 1. Gameplay comes first, story second. Simple.
Well it would certainly tell you a good story and you don't have to do what you so much despise: Playing through missions and boss fights.
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"Well. It's not. I'm not even a gamer anymore."
It does show. A lot of people have made that same remark.
"if I ever wanted to play games again I would prefer the gameplay to be awesome and the story to at least be decent. I f I want awesome story, I would go with Movies or Books."
Who said they didn't want the gameplay to be awesome in the first place? It's a matter of not making a big deal out of it if anything less is still enjoyable.
"No, I'm against when peoeple act like the story is EVERYTHING."
Content in general is what gets people buying games, and story counts as content, and it was a specific statement. Plus, you just admitted you found something wrong with people wanting a good story.
"It's still a game NOT a movie."
Doesn't matter.
"It's a game therefore gameplay will always be prio 1. Gameplay comes first, story second. Simple."
Simply wrong. It's not your call to make. Content is #1, Gameplay is #2, so says the people who make sure these companies can afford to keep making video games: Customers.
"Well it would certainly tell you a good story and you don't have to do what you so much despise: Playing through missions and boss fights."
You seem to neglect the fact(in a very petty way) that people find enjoyment through that, which neither me or anyone said otherwise. Not only that, when people are talking about gameplay, their talking about mechanics. Playing through missions and boss fights are not mechanics, but content. No one, including me, has made such or hinted at the claim we had a problem with playing through the game, we only prefer that there's a good story, and it goes without saying that good gameplay is wanted, it just isn't as big of a deal as a bunch of internet dorks(Mainly Nintendo fanboys) make it out to be.
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1. Well, we wouldn't appreciate that stuff so much if the game wasn't playable. You know what gameplay does that makes it a valued aspect of video games? It makes them playable!
2. At least Colours and Generations don't base a large chunk of their challenge off indecisive motion controls or the player character moving. Automatically. In. A platform. Game!
3. To you.
4. And yet Secret Rings was de-listed several years after it's release.
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1. We can cut the gameplay argument. Even a game with bad gameplay can be fun, and me, and many others I've talked to agree, that just about all the games we've played lately are playable, and aside from botched PC releases, gamers from all 4 communities(Nintendo fans, Xbox fans, Playsation fans, and PC fans) hardly include bad gameplay or being unplayable as an argument against hardly any game, and I've seen these arguments myself. It's either making changes, the way a game looks, or a game being too short(The only argument with The Order). Case in point, these games are playable, so is Secret Rings. There's the point in making that argument, it hardly applies to anything we're talking about.
2. Secret Rings was mostly designed around how Sonic games were meant to, action and speed, not mario style, constantly stopping or slowing platforming. Plus, you can control the speed with your controller, it's not difficult.
3. Yet you wont, and can't, prove me otherwise. The background art maybe, but not the music when compared to Colors. That's just bad taste in music if you try.
4. Doesn't change that it was the better and more successful game then Colors.
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1. But there is a difference between bad and unplayable. Bad means it's of low quality, but fun could be found if you find enjoyment in junk. Unplayable means that it's so devoid of effort, you can't beat it unless you have the perseverance of a masochist. Secret Rings would probably fall in between the two if only for the control. Not unbeatable, but could only be liked by the most hardcore of fans. Eh, whatever, though.
2. Sonic has to stop alot, too. Stopping and taking it slow for platform jumping has been a thing in Sonic for all time, stretching as far back as the Classic Era games. Just a reminder.
3. You like what music you like, and i'll like what music I like. Let bygones be bygones. Not that I expect you to let it all be so.
4. 
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1."But there is a difference between bad and unplayable."
Thank god we don't have any unplayable games then. Moving on.
2. You missed the part where I said Sonic was meant to be designed for speed an action. Of course you have to stop for platforming, and that in itself is a choir, not fun. That's the reason Sonic 2 and 3 are batter then 1. Most other teir stages are designed more like an obstacle course based on speed and reflexes rather then designed to be slower and precise. Even Death Egg zone in Sonic 3 had more action, speed, and obstacles in it's design then Scrap Brain did in Sonic 1, which you had to turtle through most of the time. Don't get me started on marble zone either, compared to Chemical Plant or Marble Garden Zone. Even Sonic 3's water level was designed better then it's predecessors.
3. That's just a cop out. Us having different taste in music doesn't change the fact that some music is just considerably better then others. Also, if you ever want things to be bygones, don't keep starting arguments while doing so.
4. It is what it is.
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1. I didn't expect you to read the whole thing.
2. No I didn't, I was just reminding you that Sonic has to take this time to jump across platforms occasionally. Not all of us are speed runners who are so skilled at the games, we can blaze through stages and avoid the platforming bits. Also: *chore.
3. Some people might enjoy music that is widely reviled, and others may find alot of problems with music that's beloved across the world. No music is for everyone. No ANYTHING is for everyone, in fact. So, take your pick blah yadda etcetera.
4. Eh.
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1, It didn't need to be read. A game being unplayable has no bearing on the issue.
2. You're right, we're not all speed runners who avoid platforming bits, but many people forget that Sonic isn't defined by platforming just because he under the genre, nor is it necessary to make a big deal out of it when it's not even the fun part of the game, but a means to an end, or just there as a challenge most of the time. Not saying that Sonic should or is just all about speed, even the first 3D titles had platforming, but only as I said before, not throwing a bunch of it in there like in 2D sections in modern games for the sake of it. Even when looking Sonic and Shadow last stages in Adventure 2, platforming is there, but what makes them fun is that you still have a good amount of speed and action, even when the level is suspended in space.
3. Your stating the obvious to divert from the fact that some music is just plain bad no matter who listens to it. People sure as hell don't act like you when it comes to dubstep or rap music, when both genre's still have some pretty good tunes coming from them. Eitherway, we're not talking about music and general, we're talking about Secret Rings and Colors, and I think you're saying all this to dodge the issue, making my initial statement valid.
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1. Whatever. I thought it did.
2. Duly noted.
3. Nope. I'm saying, in simple speak, that it's all a subjective matter whether the Secret Rings soundtrack is truly superior and the Colours soundtrack holds merit. Maybe my rebuttal got too long-winded, but I often work that way to explain a point.
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1. Here's the thing, unless we're talking about 06, which even that is playable, a game being unplayable is never part of the issue, unless I said before, is with some PC releases. About that, PC gamers recently got a bad port of the new Batman game. They actually fought against it and it got to the point where sales were literally suspended until the game is in working on. This is in a complete contrast of what happened with 06, where people just called the game garbage and left it at that. PC gamers actually fought that shit, and won.
3. Everything is not of subjective matter now. Gameplay I was say this about because it can still be fun even when it's bad. Music on the other hand, especially for a game, actually has a bigger job to fill, given that it's part of the games entertainment. We're not talking about empty orchestral music we get with a lot of games these days, we're talking about tracks that had much more work put into the composition to fit the game's theme. Yes, people can like Colors music, that's not what I'm getting it, it's the fact that it ain't shit compared to Secret Rings music, or most other Sonic games for that matter. Having a different taste in music doesn't make the difference. I dislike country music but love the ending theme to Twisted Metal Black. Rap and Dubstep are two of my favorite genre's of music and both of them have plenty of songs I don't like. Just to give you some incentive that taste in music doesn't save all music.
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1. Fair enough.
3. Is that so? Well, the Colours music has been a personal favorite collection of tunes of mine for several years, and it doesn't feel fair to blast the composers (including Sonic music veteran Tomoya Ohtani) who tried hard to make it, though your statements have given me something to think over.
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I never blasted the composers for making it, I said the music sucked. If you like the music, fine, that doesn't change the fact that they weren't objectively good.
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I never said you did.
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"it doesn't feel fair to blast the composers"
You said that as if I did. If this isn't what you meant, maybe you shouldn't be adding points that have nothing to do with the argument. You've done this twice. XD
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Wow, did you read that poorly. It wasn't even in past tense.
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You brought it up as if that was the case. It's not my fault for reading it poorly, it's yours for bringing it up.
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You seem to miss the point that, there was no reason for you to bring that up when it wasn't happening, thereby implying it was what I was saying, causing me to misinterpret it in the first place. You said it's unfair to blast the composers, which was a response to be rightfully saying the Colors soundtrack sucked. There's no other explanation aside from that you actually felt that's what I did when saying the music sucked, and if that's not what you meant, you would not have said it to begin with.
Learn to comprehend what you're saying and take responsibility dude, unless you want to keep forcing arguments with me. XD
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No, you should learn to read words right. But knowing how you function, that's the last thing I expect you to do. This argument is done!
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You don't make comments that aren't suppose to be cared as a response. I can read words just fine, you just keep forcing arguments for the sake of it, don't want to take responsibility when called on it, and put the blame off on me.
As far as the argument being done, it was done long ago, you just kept prolonging it. You were wrong on all accounts, Secret Rings is better then Colors, and Colors music sucked. Deal with it, rather then feigning childish behavior. I was not born yesterday.
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1. I won't apologize for my stance.
2. You weren't meant to take that thing literally.
3. Are you sure you can read words okay?
4. I was born 21 years ago, incase you're curious.
5. Hypocrite. You're prolonging this, too. I didn't ask for you to keep it going over a few fucking bits of text that should've meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme.
Can you leave me alone now?
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1. Who the hell said that you should? There you go, saying shit out of the blue again. lol
2. Like I said, you don't make comments not meant to be taken seriously in a response, because they most likely will.
3. Yes. Are you sure you comprehend what it is you're saying?
4. Then you should act like it.
5. I really don't think you know what that word means.
"Can you leave me alone now?"
If you wanted me to leave you alone, you would've stopped replying to me long ago, let alone make 5 statements to me when you know I'm going to answer back, or deleted my comment from your notifications. Don't hate on me for failed attempt at arguing.
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1. See? You took my words literally again! You. Misread them. Again!
2. Whatever.
3. You bet. If I didn't have comprehension of what I say, I wouldn't speak it.
4. I've been trying to keep a cool head, but your perplexing way of thinking has tried my temper and patience again and again.
5. I do. You act like you're the hero who wants this to end, and i'm the villain who keeps a pointless ride going nowhere moving forward, yet you haven't even been trying to put this to rest yourself. You insist on provoking me further, so nobody is at peace, and this drama will just continue. I wish for you to take initiative and stop regardless of my continued replies, but you just want to give me more reasons to bite back, don't you? If I can stop replying anytime, so can you. You are a human being, right? 
"Deleted my comment from your notifications."
Why. The. Fuck. Do. You. Care?!
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1. So then you're purposely saying shit for no reason.
3. Yet you do, and blame me for not understanding what you say, when logic dictates that I do.
4. Maybe you should say things not to be taken serious to me for no reason. You're doing it all to yourself, and I'm just like
5. "You act like you're the hero who wants this to end, and i'm the villain who keeps a pointless ride going nowhere moving forward, yet you haven't even been trying to put this to rest yourself."
It's not my job to put this to rest, when I'm not the one crying to be left alone. This goes back to you either not comprehending what you say, or saying pointless shit for no reason.
The rest of what you said afterward is beyond ridiculous. All I can say is that you choose to play this game with me, so you're the one to blame for whatever you're mad about in the end.
"Why. The. Fuck. Do. You. Care?!"
You cried for me to leave you alone. I was just telling you there were ways to do that, and not only did you still respond to me, you responded as if I was somehow wrong to tell you how to stop me from replying to you.
Either you're a confused troll or can't handle someone who actually knows their shit. This is funny either way. lol
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And there it is. You've been driven to the point where you think i'm crying, and that i'm some kind of troll. Congratulations, Psyco. You failed the test. Your reward: A big "tsk tsk", and an apathetic sigh.
I'll leave you on one final word: TRY.
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lol, now you pull that test bullshit again. XD
You've got way too much to learn if you think you're testing anyone.
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A good argument, but maybe this is one of those rare cases where you're BOTH right. They're not exactly mutually exclusive.
To balance the IPs out, not only should they give the Sonic franchise a break, but also give the other IPs some time to shine for this generation. For example, not many people know about IPs like Virtua Fighter or Golden Axe. Or even Gunstar Heroes. If they brought that back like Konami did with Contra a couple years ago, you'd bet they'd get a big boost in customer support.
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The thing is, Sonic doesn't need a break, that doesn't provide anything productive to the franchise, and nobody saying so as stated any reason why what would be, aside from something Sega is capable of doing without stopping Sonic titles, which Sonic Team is making, now them. Also, you say not too many people know about Sega's other IP's, but in case you missed it, they don't advertise them, as I had just said I never knew Hell Yeah had a mobile game. That's not Sonic's fault, or Sonic Team's, that's Sega fault for not advertising it, just like that canceled the U.S. release of Anarchy Reigns, only to release it half a year later with no word on it, I had to find out from a friend, who was also told by someone else. What made that worse was that not only was Platinum Games were not made aware of the decision until it was announced, but it killed off a lot of the hype that game had.
In any case, what Sonic needs is not a break, he, and Sega entirely, need better management. Say Sonic does take a break, 2,3,4 years even. People who like his games and waiting for something better then Boom wont get shit, nor anyone else, then the come back, only to deliver the same bullshit if they don't change anything. In between that time, how many games you think Sega will make in that time frame, and how many of them will you ever hear about if you don't visit their website? Not even TSSZ reports on these games, but will bring up Nintendo related products. Again, there's no productivity in this choice alone, only better management will fix anything.
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Hmmm.... That's an interesting point you make there. I can't exactly see anything that could counter that argument, and my own argument got kinda... shot down, I guess is the way to put it.
All your points are valid, and it's more than obvious you've done your research. I guess I need to do the same more often.
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lol, I can be very argumentative, and I deal with a lot of people of people who always or chooses to miss the point. At least you realized what I was saying though, but research seems to be something lost on a lot of us on the internet, which a youtube user I watch says best: "Youtube is owned by Google, Google is a search engine, so you people are failing an open book test, and have been failing it for years". Luckily, I either listen or hang with people who actually know their shit. It'll do you good.
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Yeah, people have become arrogant, thinking they know everything.
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