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If offended, please try to think before you speak. It's a serious question asked in a reasonable way. In modern days NOBODY would believe her. The fact that people "believed" her back then can only imply three things :1. She was really telling the truth and had undeniable evidence
2. She lied, her husband knew she was lying but in order to avoid public humiliation they all covered it up and the lie went out of control (lol)
3. Aliens kidnaped her but who would believe that aliens exist?
Seriously people, it's a joke. Try to laugh and throw away that misery. If writing a nasty comment makes you happy so be it. At least I'll know that either way I made good.
NO IT'S NOT STOLEN YOU IDIOTS -> Picture of Virgin Mary belongs to : turnbacktogod.com <- NO, IT'S NOT STOLEN YOU IDIOTS. 
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In Bieber we trust. I'd worship him and his heavenly autotuned voice.
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Mary did'nt tell Joseph, she was having Gods Child, An angel told him. He was going to leave because she was Pregnant, the Angel stopped him. I believe in Freedom of Religion, but I am tired of people mocking my belief, because they have none. There are a lot of people who call themselves Christians, but arent, Im tired of being Judged because of those people. I have friends who have many faiths, they are still my friends. I dont Judge others , maybe you should try it.
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Two things.
#1. Freedom of Religion means that you are free to worship as you see fit without any interference. No one is stopping you from praying, going to church, or forcing you to do anything. Non-believers simply are exercising their right to Freedom of Speech and poking fun at dogmatic beliefs that they consider to be bronze age superstitions. If the US Supreme Court can uphold the Westboro Baptists right to hold up their signs and protest, then a few Atheist pictures and comments are upheld by the Constitution as well.
#2. Also, most atheists hold numerous beliefs. We believe that all dogmas, traditions, and religions should be analyzed and evaluated. We believe that reason, evidence, and logic lead to knowledge, not an appeal to authority or divine revelation. We believe in a search for truth and ethics based on benefiting humanity, individual responsibility, and equal rights for all. We also believe that we need to make THIS life more meaningful for all and ensure a safe world for future generations, acceptance of promises of a perfect afterlife.
No worries though. Both are quite common mistakes.
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I don't think it's mocking, I think it's forcing people to look logically and with skepticism on a topic that (most, not all, but most) Christians are just taught to believe in from childhood. There's nothing wrong with asking questions about a religion, nor is it wrong to not take every word in the bible as a literal fact.
I'm sorry you feel attacked, but other religions are attacked all the time and not just by people who don't have their own religion. Religions cause wars all the time as well, it's just human nature, unfortunately.
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Then get off the internet. Religion is the easiest thing to make fun of.
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of course! it makes sense! the angel told him 
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It was a scandal and Joseph almost refused to marry her except that the Angel of the Lord came to him one night a reassured him that it what Mary has said was, in fact, true and to not be worried about taking her as his wife, to go ahead and do so. So he did, in which case, Joseph didn't have sex with her himself until after Jesus had been born.
If I were a guy and my fiancee (who's suppose to be a virgin) told me she was pregnant by the Spirit of God, I would doubt her as well and would need the Angel of the Lord to come to me and tell me, "No, she's telling the truth. Don't freak out." Because, one, I'm human. Two, clearly virgins can't get pregnant unless divine intervention steps in.
Some people may think Joseph was taken for a ride, but they don't realize women wouldn't/couldn't have done that back then with the way their society worked and the repercussions from such a thing.
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You'd think that an all powerful god could just will a baby into existence without impregnating a young woman against her will in the night... Or better yet, just send a full grown man Jesus down so he can star doing miracles and such right away.
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It wasn't against her will, she was told of the plan beforehand and after her initial shock, she consented. Willing a baby into existence is not the natural way a human is born, and though Jesus was the son of God, he was also a perfect representation of humanity.
Secondly, had a fully grown Jesus come to earth, it would have defeated the purpose. Jesus being born and living a human life, giving up all the wealth and power of living in Heaven, that in itself was a huge sacrifice. Something akin to a wealth, athletic, powerful man being reduced to a blind invalid. Living as an every day person, non-remarkable, son of a carpenter and a carpenter himself, Jesus was the average everyday man, and yet sinless Son of God at the same time. He came to earth knowing his fate, grew up knowing it, and all the while accepted it, even as the time grew nearer to his death. As the Son of God, he accepted his fate, while the human side of him experienced deep, human fear, and he begged God, "Father, take this cup from my hands. Not my will but yours be done." He didn't want to die, but he knew he had to, and did so, because he loved us, humans past, present, and future as a whole and individually. He died so that humans would have a chance at redemption, the debt for our sins paid.
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See, when you follow down that path the next question is 'why does Jesus need to be tortured and mutilated to death to pay for humanity's sins?' How does one thing effect the other. I mean, there were countless other people crucified back then the same way too. Couldn't got just wipe the sin slate clean without creating Jesus in the first place? God kinda kid will Jesus into existence by placing the fetus in Mary's uterus, since I assume the act of fornication wasn't occurring. It reminds me of a sci-fi story with a whole lot of plot holes.
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There aren't plot holes, you just don't understand and don't really care too, either. Other people that were executed were sinners. They were paying their crimes. It was a balance. Jesus had not sinned and had committed no crimes, he had done nothing to deserve to die, so when he died he died in the place of those who had and would sin so that they wouldn't have to. He was an innocent man that died to give people a second chance at redemption should they choose it.
If you actually curious, go to a church and ask the pastor what you don't understand. This conversation has gone on too long and taken up too much space in the comments.
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Well thanks for taking the time for explanation. Actually my exposure to various churches turned me off of theology altogether. I guess I was trying to understand, since apparently if you find it too hard to believe you're doomed to hell for an eternity. seeya.
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If she was abducted by aliens, wouldn't it have sprung from her chest like a xenomorph? That would have been epic, and awesome. And the xeno' would have had plenty to eat! ...But seriously, she was probably trying to save herself from being stoned to death, as you mentioned. Or, of course, with the way those times were, she might have been raped, and because of the way rapists often married the victims... Having a child by 'God' seems like a better idea to me, too.
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omg gore 
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*dies laughing* o.o is right... Damn, man. I few years back and we coulda made money on this...
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I'd reply with "Babe, I know I'm virile, but you don't need to call me GOD. Big Daddy will suffice."
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I always thought Mary was some kinda whore in the olden times, but did not want to get stoned for it so said God made the baby XD
Or she just never existed.
I would never get married but If I had a wife and she got Pregnant and told me it was God, I would divorce her and see if God can handle the child support.
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You're talking Mary Magdalene ?
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No, the virgin Mary 
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It's actually believed that a guard raped her, she was only 13, I doubt she was a whore.
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So then the bible is wrong, she is not a vergin
If she existed at all.
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By "it is believed," I meant by people who are too logical to believe that a virgin gave birth. Do I personally think the bible is wrong? No, because I personally believe it's just a compilation of fables with good moral stories that people should learn from to help better their lives. I don't take fables literally though, I view them as ideas which makes it easy for me to manipulate the ideology of the story and thereby implement the moral to my life. 
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But the teaching in the bible are not correct in their morals. If someone went by what is said in the bible 100% they would probably be one of the most ghastly people today :S
and what about contradictions? the bible says many things in one then contradict themselves in another, how can someone get stable morals if the bible says "this is okay" but then they say "this is not okay" on the same topic.
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I'll quote myself in my last comment to you, "I view them [stories in the bible] as ideas which makes it easy for me to manipulate the ideology of the story and thereby implement the moral to my life." I believe I said that I don't believe teaching the bible as a literary piece makes sense. Then again, teaching your children or reading the Grimm Tales as anything other than fables wouldn't make sense either.
As I said, I don't believe it's right to tell people their beliefs are wrong. You can disagree and have your own opinion, but that doesn't mean you have the right to tell someone that what they believe is wrong or stupid. I'm not even a Christian.
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Well I have to disagree with the last part, I think it is necessary, especially if Religion is causing so much harm in the world. Religion has been suppressing humans forever. It is a dangerous thing, besides religion is pushed on us all the time, so If i come across religious foke and they attempt to convert me I will hold no mercy in disproving and bashing their religious beliefs. note I do not do this unless they approach me first.
Believing something without evidence is in itself stupid, and harmful.
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Look. I'm not Christian and I debate Christians a lot of the time too, but I don't do it to tell them they are wrong, nor do I do it to make them feel stupid but instead to enlighten them to different ideas they may not have thought of before. However, if someone as ignorant and blatantly disrespectful like you came up to me and started saying half the crap you're saying you would say, or saying it as ignorantly as you're saying you would--I'd just laugh in your face, tell you God loved you, and walk on.
Being an ignorant loud mouth pushing your disbelief on someone is no better than a bigot zealot trying to convert someone. I believe in religious freedom, we're all free to believe or not believe whatever the hell we want to, period & religion should stay separate from state in general.
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How on earth am I being disrespectful? I have said nothing but my own personal opinions! honestly I do not know why you even made a response to me, all I said was i doubt she is a virgin, and explained what I thought was a possible sanario.
half the crap I am saying? Like what that the bible has contradictions, like it does, or that it out right lies, like it does, or that it is fake, like it is? you admitted it was just fables, so it is not true.
I don't care, who says I want to enlighten people? the world is to far gone to be saved anyway, besides no matter how much you try to reason with most of them they do not listen in the first place. they believe in fairy tales, if they were going to be moved by evidence they would not be religious to begin with.
I Do not approach religious people! I hardly discuss religion on a day to day basis, I was just saying If someone comes to me forcing their belief then I will force my disbelief, that sounds fair to me. and I never said I wanted religion to be part of the state.
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I didn't say the things you said about the bible is crap; I don't believe it outright lies though as the stories are fables and again are no more lies than something out of Grimm. I just mean the way you go on, you just sound like you're on a high horse for no real reason.
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Well I disagree, I do think they are lies, some people think they 100% true, some people think they are just moral guidelines, but I think they are lies, and I do not fancy being lied to.
The way I conduct myself is none of your concern. I think religion is despicable and encourages people to believe in the most horrifying, inhuman shit and refuse to soften that stance just because a few closed minded people will get offended because I dyne their imaginary friend.
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"...because I deny* their imaginary friend," is exactly what I'm talking about with you. I don't care if you don't care, I don't care that you have no faith, that doesn't give you the right to be a snotty brat about it. I don't believe in it either but I'm not going to go around talking out of my ass about it either. Your stance is simply an ad hominem one based on your own emotions rather than a humanitarian or even a scientific stance: and even if you have either of those reasons to back yourself up, the logic is lost to your own, slightly over emotional, and snotty attitude about it. Snotty in reference to: You're no better a human than someone with a religion who has never committed a crime, forced their religion on someone or doesn't 100% act like a zealot.
You seem to be compiling all religions and all religious or even spiritual people into the same pile; statistics don't work that way and neither do scientific studies or even sociological studies. You "feel" a certain way, good for you. 100s of thousands of other people "feel" a different way, and it's usually the people who "feel" too deeply about their stance that end up making everyone else miserable.
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I do not feel like God does not exsist, there is no evidence for him, it is not due to some 'feeling' I have.
I can act however I want, most religious people say I will burn in hell for eternity, yet I am the disrespectful brat when I "Heyy, that is kinda fucked up"
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Double negative confusion.
That's awesome.
I made my case already.
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"Over just a few years i've watched atheism turn from mild-mannered nonbelievers into a mocking, verbally hostile group of anti-theists...
And I'm so proud. Chastise them back under the rocks whence they crawled. Let them know we're done being silent as they tread on our (and their own!) civil rights. Let them know what utter fools you know they are.
Once again, I'm very proud. Good job."
You made no case.
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Who are you quoting and in what context are you quoting it to me in exactly? lol.
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just that I am proud to be Atheist, and I am not afraid to be loud about it, I will not change that because you or anyone else gets offended. I have a right to state my opinion anyway I like and refuse to let the Religious bigots push me into silence.
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Personally, I doubt that she ever existed and that the whole thing is made up just to give a 'credible' backstory to the religion ( 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Hell, I would even find the whole alien abduction bit far more rational. I mean, who is to say that you did not have some aliens running about 2000 years ago knocking up primitive, superstitious women and claiming to be god for shits and giggles. Compared to a rather nasty deity suddenly deciding to forgive its creation for eating an apple by knocking up some lady with a version of itself so it can go on a suicide mission to become a sacrifice for the sins of the world... Sorry, tricker aliens seems WAY more rational.
You know, every time I do a religious related mot, I'm refreshing my msgs waiting for your comments
We can't say for sure that she did not exist. We can critisize the story though and the "holes" that we find in it. As I said to a previous comment, history would have been different if the people that wrote these stories were a bit less ignorant about the fact that future generations would out-smart them.
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While we cannot say for certain she did not exist, can look at all the holes in the biblical account and state "its highly unlikely it happened in the manner that they claimed and the entire thing seems highly contrived."
Well, learned Greek Philosophers these people were not; I cannot even fathom why, when the bible was assembled, they did not go through and at least remove the internal inconsistencies within the 4 gospels...
Still, I don't understand...Virgin birth should have been controversial even then. In ancient Greek mythology Zeus was practically banging everything that moved and had boobs yet still today we don't consider Hercules to ever been real or worship him as the son of God. Poor Hercules...all he got was that tard Kevin Sorbo playing him in a totally inacurate tv series
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The TV series at least was able to be laughed at. Far better than that vile film that Mel Gibson directed; that was one step away from a S&M/Snuff Film.
Thats just Greek Mythology. Christian Mythology is so much different, the bible says so! Frankly, I think the Greek pantheon would be easier to deal with than the Abrahamic god. At least the Greek gods' motives were not unknowable and methods were not so subtle as to be indiscernible.
Maybe some angels went about doing damage control or some similar BS. I mean, they were popping about informing shepherds and directing wise men. Just always found it funny that with the huge crowd gathering at the manger that he did not have a cult following at birth... And with the gold, frankincense, and myrrh you would have expected the family to be wealthy, yet they portray him as a poor son of a carpenter... I sense severe discrepancies.
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why the HELL is she called VIRGIN MARY? she's not even virgin 
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She supposedly was. 
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I'll be happy to believe virgin birth, as long as you're willing to consider that Jesus might have been a boa constrictor. [link]
Also, the transitive theory of mathematics tells us that Jesus was a zombie: Jesus = back from the dead + cannibalistic = zombies.
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Thanks for posting the link, somehow had missed that article. Absolutely fascinating.
Though, the other possibility is that Jesus was the predecessor of the Twilight vampires. I can see the possibility of the disciples misinterpreting the sparkle for divine radiant glow.
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You have a good point. Whatever system of fact-checking leads us to believe the bible is non-fiction would also be passed by New Moon.
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That would be a scary religion. Though, with the half naked and well oiled werewolves, it certainly could satisfy the same homoerotic quality of Jesus and his 12 disciples...
I almost think a religion based around the Harry Potter novels might be more tolerable (despite being far more annoying) than one based on Twilight. Probably would be more open, accepting, and peaceful than most of the Abrahamic Tradition religions.
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