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Surely happiness is very important when we're alive, but the problem comes when we think about death: if our existence should end in that way, why should we search for happiness in life? It's quite a nonsense, although at the moment, as a living person, I'm seeking for it.
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Cause life is short and you might as well make the most of it.
I am a shooting star, from the darkness I came and to the darkness I go. But whiles I am here, I burn brightly across the sky, dancing and breaking apart, producing more shooting stars in my wake.
I am a small bit of ignorant carbon, but thanks to modern science, I get to live three times longer than I could have. Three times longer to do things I enjoy, three times as long to dance and play and make comments at nihilists about how great this life is.
Remember. Meaning is for Words and Purpose is for Tools.
I don't want to be a tool.
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Beautiful metaphor
But this is the point: if you'll came back to the darkness, what you did and what you felt is completely useless... why should I engage myself to seek good (for what good means for me, fo course) if it will be totally earse by the time? Also, I could bring a little joy to other people during my life, but if they'll die, and with them their existence, all my efforts would have been totally vain. So, as conclusion, under this point of view, it is completely useless put any tipe of effort in life.
Sorry, maybe I lost something: if you don't want to be a tool, so what are you? A word? So a meaning? of what?
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And? It was fun whiles it lasted.
And? I am a social animal who has been social. Comparied to the vastness of the universe as a whole what I do is meaningless. But hey! It was fun.
And lastly why are you then making posts if it is meaningless? Poor little fae, life is like minecraft. You Make your own fun and you make your own happiness.
And if you don't like that, then bugger off.
And no I am neither a word or a tool. ^.^
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Surely life is fun, but aren't you sad when you think that your existence should end with death? 👍: 0 ⏩: 2
Also, is that possible that there isn't any purpose of the whole life in universe? Is it only a joke of chance? I thought it's quite strange, because now, in this time, I am here, in my room, chatting with you, and no someone else. While maybe, if my flesh was born another day, it would probably have another person inside (urgh, sorry for my poor dictionary; I hope I make me understand) and now another girl would have been chatting with you. But the fact that this didn't happen means that there's something deeper...
Maybe you've understood that I'm not atheist, but actually I can't find anything too much reassuring behind its philosophy.
I live my life because I want to know other interesting things and taste new experiences, but I do all this hoping that I'm not just an animated body. However, the important thing is to be happy in whatever way and believing in what we find good.
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Kind of generally, if you just stopped doing everything right now, you'd die soon.
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Such as breath, eat or drink? Oh yes, surely!
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"Surely life is fun, but aren't you sad when you think that your existence should end with death?"
All parties come to an end. Why should I spend my time obsessing over the clean up? The party is now!
"Also, is that possible that there isn't any purpose of the whole life in universe? Is it only a joke of chance? I thought it's quite strange, because now, in this time, I am here, in my room, chatting with you, and no someone else. While maybe, if my flesh was born another day, it would probably have another person inside (urgh, sorry for my poor dictionary; I hope I make me understand) and now another girl would have been chatting with you. But the fact that this didn't happen means that there's something deeper..."
Knew it. English isn't your mother tongue. This is why we are having so much trouble communicating ideas.
And yes, it could be that all of this is a cosmic joke.
However that doesn't mean that there is anything deeper. There doesn't have to be anything deeper. The natural world is a fascinating wonderful beautiful place! One could almost even say magical.
"Maybe you've understood that I'm not atheist, but actually I can't find anything too much reassuring behind its philosophy."
Actually I have understood that. I am not talking to you as if you were an atheist or a theist.
I have been talking to from my perspective and my thoughts.
For me, there isn't any evidence of a god or higher power, and until evidence does come along to change my mind, then I have no Reason to change it.
"I live my life because I want to know other interesting things and taste new experiences, but I do all this hoping that I'm not just an animated body. However, the important thing is to be happy in whatever way and believing in what we find good."
Then do those things! Experence life! Find joy!
You may find comfort in the idea of something or someone higher than you looking out for you.
But I do not.
To me they are made up stories. Things that are only interesting to listen to. And I am sure that you will find that even atheists take what is good and use it. I mean why not? People cherry pick out of the bible after all.
Why not just drop the bible and take out of it what was good?
Why have absolutes? Life isn't Absolute, so why impose absolutes on it? Change is good after all.
These are my thoughts and my feelings, and strangely enough, I don't find despair in them. I find wonder.
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I don't agree with your party metaphor because it seems to go against the point you're trying to get across. You say that when life ends, one ceases to exist. But when a party ends, you clean up, go to sleep, wake up, go out and about, enjoy life, see friends, talk about the party, remember the party, plan another party, etc.
You talk about logic, but really you are very illogical. You dislike religion for the lack of logical basis in it's beliefs, saying things without hard evidence, and then you turn around and make a different, yet equally unproveable statement, claiming it to be more legitimate than religion.
You want to hear a logically belief? How about the idea that we humans are horribly insignifact on the grand scale of the universe, and we don't even understand .001% of our own world. How are we to make such massive predictions about the exist and properties of a world after?
Btw, i'm not trying to be a jerk, i just like a good religion debate
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"I don't agree with your party metaphor because it seems to go against the point you're trying to get across. You say that when life ends, one ceases to exist."
Yup. I don't have any evidence that *my* life continues. Why should I believe that it does?
"But when a party ends, you clean up, go to sleep, wake up, go out and about, enjoy life, see friends, talk about the party, remember the party, plan another party, etc."
That's whiles you are still alive.
"You talk about logic, but really you are very illogical. You dislike religion for the lack of logical basis in it's beliefs, saying things without hard evidence, and then you turn around and make a different, yet equally unproveable statement, claiming it to be more legitimate than religion.
You want to hear a logically belief? How about the idea that we humans are horribly insignifact on the grand scale of the universe, and we don't even understand .001% of our own world."
Logical belief. Sorry to nitpick but it kinda hurts to read that.
We may not understand a great deal of our universe, but we are getting better. We are learning more and more and more. And by saying "Yup! We know!" we limit ourselves in learning more.
In science, we keep learning and admit that we don't know everything.
"How are we to make such massive predictions about the exist and properties of a world after?"
Because disbelief is the default. You are making the claim that there is a world after. I would like evidence that there *IS* a world after.
Cause right now there isn't enough evidence to show me that there is an after world.
If you can't, I have no reason to believe that there is one.
"Btw, i'm not trying to be a jerk, i just like a good religion debate 
Agnostic Atheist here.
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First of all, thank you for your kindness
It seems our perspective are parallel... I'm too much troubling while you're more an Epicurus follower ("If I'm alive there's no death, while when there's death, I won't be. So, who cares?").
I find interesting and sometimes right some atheists phrases, but, although there are various interpretations about whatever holy book, I continue believing in something which gives meaning to all. In other words, I prefer believing in a sensible fairitale instead in a meaningless reality. This is my perspective of existence.
By the way, could I make another two questions to you?
1)As our universe works because a long big chain of cause&effect, what is in the origin of all, in your perspective? In mine, oh well, you will surely guess...
2)Have you ever had the desire to die just for the curiosity to know what's behind and then to return to the people's world to tell them the Truth? Just answer with yes or no: I know that if not tomorrow, one day we'll all know the answer
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"First of all, thank you for your kindness
Heh.
"It seems our perspective are parallel... I'm too much troubling while you're more an Epicurus follower ("If I'm alive there's no death, while when there's death, I won't be. So, who cares?")."
^.^ That sounds about right.
"I find interesting and sometimes right some atheists phrases, but, although there are various interpretations about whatever holy book, I continue believing in something which gives meaning to all. In other words, I prefer believing in a sensible fairitale instead in a meaningless reality. This is my perspective of existence."
... meaningless reality? You're starting down a road that will read to hostility. Reality is awesome.
And science can give meaning to the world around you.
"By the way, could I make another two questions to you?
1)As our universe works because a long big chain of cause&effect, what is in the origin of all, in your perspective? In mine, oh well, you will surely guess..."
We don't know. You don't get a yes or no here. However this begs the question of where did the "god" come from.
"2)Have you ever had the desire to die just for the curiosity to know what's behind and then to return to the people's world to tell them the Truth? Just answer with yes or no: I know that if not tomorrow, one day we'll all know the answer 
Not really. Right now this is the only reality that I am aware of. And as such, I should treat it with care.
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<<... meaningless reality? You're starting down a road that will read to hostility. Reality is awesome.
And science can give meaning to the world around you.>>
For meaningless I intended "without any purpose". Of course, science is a great subject which gives reason to the most part of universe, but not all. Why I am here and why I'm born, questions that I actually feel, can be answered only by another subject. You said that there could also not be any reason or purpose, but in my perspective of existence is more difficult to believe in chance than in an organizer mind. And also, this chance is quite smart and orderly...what type of chance is it? You could also try to launch some dices with all the letters written over, but a Romeo and Juliet it's too much impossible to be written in this way...also because phrases must have a meaning and all the text an order, and the knowledge of the grammar it's not enough.
I don't know what other theists think, but I care of a meaning. It's a different point of view.
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"For meaningless I intended "without any purpose"."
I just told you, purpose is for tools. Tools are things we use.
And in the game of life, life doesn't give you a purpose, you give life a purpose.
"Of course, science is a great subject which gives reason to the most part of universe, but not all. Why I am here and why I'm born, questions that I actually feel, can be answered only by another subject."
You are here cause that is were your parents decided to have sex. You are born because your mother decided to carry you full term.
Not too difficult.
"You said that there could also not be any reason or purpose, but in my perspective of existence is more difficult to believe in chance than in an organizer mind."
Argument from Ignorance. You don't know how all this stuff got here therefor it was "gawwwwd"/higher purpose/higher power.
"And also, this chance is quite smart and orderly...what type of chance is it?"
Now you aren't making any sense. Are you asking questions for the sake of asking questions? Cause it appears that you are begging the question. Stop it.
"You could also try to launch some dices with all the letters written over, but a Romeo and Juliet it's too much impossible to be written in this way...also because phrases must have a meaning and all the text an order, and the knowledge of the grammar it's not enough."
Your statements are getting lost in translation.
What you are going at is the whole "Tornado going through a construction cite and building a barnyard." Which is a strawman of what evolution actually says.
Evolution is about the traits that survive thrive. Let's pretend that there is a world of numbers. Numbers come in sequences. Let's pretend that the sequence 1234567890 is the one that is most likely to survive. We start out with a sequence that seems random.
2354992385
Right then, that was a result of me mashing the number row. No particular order, just that there were ten numbers.
But what's this? There is a number that is part of our main sequence! 4. Four Stays cause it is benifical to the sequence. Next.
2984536043
Again just me mashing on the number row. But look! 45! and it is in the right place. The new 5 stays.
1984565265
One stays.
1304597342
One and Seven stay.
1284557947
Two stays.
1294577612
Well, what's this? Nothing stays? Is this the end? No No it isn't.
1294547123
Again, nothing stays.
1254527650
Whoo! We got that Zero!
1294567490
Holy shite! six and nine have shown up. They stay.
1224567890
Look at that. We're nearly there. And in only eight generations. Now we just keep rolling that ten sided die until three shows up.
Point of the matter is that Natural Selection operates on the same principal.
"I don't know what other theists think, but I care of a meaning. It's a different point of view."
I don't know what you're getting at so we are both in a similar place.
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Oh well, ours are totally two different point of view.
I don't master theology enough to reply, I admit it. All I wanted to know were your reasons that are really interesting and start of new thoughs. I thank you for your time and effort ^^ Have a nice day!
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You too. Do think about these things.
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