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yep this is part 2.Man, I'm starting to feel like Alex Jones at this point.
It's only a matter of time until I start yelling with my shirt off about writers that turn the frogs gay.
But yes, after doing lots of research on these oh-so-lethal Sega mandates all summer long.
With some help by Lance Jerkoff and especially Alex Hedgefox ( I'd like to thank you guys for the help by the way)
I have finally covered as much research as I could on what many claim to be the other biggest thing that killed Archie Sonic.
The Sega mandates that were forced on the comic as a result of the Penders lawsuit.
Apparently they had enough creative freedom to make a video game character from Japan (Wendy Witch Heart) related to a Satam character (Nagus) and it also looks like that other factions that work for Sega were allowed to do the exact same stuff that Ian and the rest of the Archie staff claimed they were not allowed to do.
and while they did go out of their way to make it clear that Sonic's crying in issue 166 wasn't excessive, They didn't go out of their way to make it clear that Uncle chuck in the reboot wasn't Sonic's relative and that the "uncle to many" thing wasn't referring to the readers.
Not only that, but it looks like the mandates that where claimed to be a huge bother seemed to always be there even before the Reboot, and even before Ian Flynn arrived.
What could this mean?
...and yes I might change this description at a later date.
The Archie Sonic series is copyright Sega and Archie
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Comments: 166
FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to ??? [2019-01-16 20:39:59 +0000 UTC]
Look at your own Comment, then say that again.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-17 04:07:15 +0000 UTC]
well looks like we got an asshole here who wants to be deep and edgy lol
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-17 04:25:48 +0000 UTC]
Actually, that is you. You don't even know what Edgelord even means, and I just unrelentingly calls other people that, just to 'Win' an Argument, since you can't even do that in real life.
Funny how that works out. You use words you don't even have an understanding of, and use them to sound smarter than you actually are.
How pathetic. I almost pity you.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-17 12:36:03 +0000 UTC]
are you trying to make me feel guilty you really are trying to sound edgy and dark
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-17 18:42:20 +0000 UTC]
Says the Hypocrite trying to Guilt-trip people yourself.
And honestly, you just call people 'Edgy and Dark' in a weak attempt to make them feel Bad.
Well guess what~? You Don't~ If you call a sing-song tone Edgy~ Then you are of little br~ai~n~
Wanka~
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-17 19:24:13 +0000 UTC]
how do I guilt trip myself that's just a random insult I called you edgy because you sound like you depressed and poetic I tried to make you feel bad I tried to counter your I'm not the one who has a little brain it's you
get your sad poetic edgy ass out of here and somewhere else
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-18 03:59:32 +0000 UTC]
The only One who is Sad, is you. You who keeps calling others who disagree with you, wether Polite or not.
And poetic? Hah! I am not poetic. Can't write a poem to save my life! XD
So it should be You who gets his shit-filled pants and ass out of here, you little pissbaby. You keep insulting everyone, but when I look at your page, I Find memes that are made to harrass people.
And before you start claiming innocence, Here's the thing: You keep calling everyone who disagrees with you 'Edgelord', you basically use Memes that are obviously not passive-aggressive, but are blindingly obviously meant to be malicious, you pick on people who have a Simple disagreement with a certain person, and you apparently don't even know what half your words even mean.
If I am an Edgelord, then Logic dictates that you are a Cyberbully who picks on other people to bring some spark into your Sad, pathetic existence, because your daddy stank of Elderberries, and your Mother was turning Tricks at the Circus!
Have some cotton candy, wanka.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-18 17:24:20 +0000 UTC]
to pick on people who have a disagreement boy go to truesonicspiritspage then come to me
I'ma cyberbully
dude now you just throwing unnecessary insults to me and is downright just being an asshole just fuck off
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-19 04:50:26 +0000 UTC]
You are. Don't even try to deny it. You kept calling me 'Edgelord' without even knowing the real meaning, then switch to 'asshole' when you are called out.
And that is not an unnecessary 'Insult', that is the Truth that you are denying. I Keep seeing you on many a Sonic page, insulting anyone who feels that IDW is not doing a good Job at what they had promised, and right now, a lot of them are going Left-wing, which right now, is anti-anyone who even slightly resembles a European, or isn't a Woman of 'minority'.
And 'boy'? How old are you, Ya Bloody Oiker? Fifteen? Sixteen? I am being generous here, with how you have been acting to just about anyone.
And don't you start deflecting. If you don't provide a Proper link, then I won't bother, So bugger off with that, and take your own medicine that you keep cramming down other people's throats.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-19 19:30:38 +0000 UTC]
dude please piss off I'm not attacking them for there opinions I'm criticizing them for the reasoning and motives behind for being dumb criticizing there ogic by making memes showing the public how fucking dumb and stupid there logic is not for disliking it for how dumb of a reason you dislike it how stupidly you express your feelings and thought
you didn't call out shit first of all you just came h ere to shit all over me not understanding why I do it you could have had a civil discussion with me about this the reason you are an edgelord is because you generally sound like your trying to be dark as fuck or you try to get the darkest insults to insult someone with
and for the record 13 you got a problem you got a problem with someone criticizing your fuck buddies
oh don't start deflecting mine resorting too insulting me with more insults I never heard of.
keep talking monkey you will only look stupider and stupider as time goes on you will never succeed like this in life being a shill for someone instead of shilling yourself from criticism
that's how your supposed to sound
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-19 21:18:04 +0000 UTC]
Your bright idea of 'Critique' is not Critique. You use words like 'Edgelord' or 'Pathetic', words a Critic has never used because they make the speaker sound like a Bumpkin.
And you're putting yourself up, as if the World revolves around you, which it Bloody Well doesn't, last time I checked. I don't see your gormless face replacing the Bloody Sun.
Fuck-buddies? Hah. You apparently have quite the Ruptured anus for you to use such words.
And you apparently can't even use Proper punctuation or even paragraphs anymore. This shows only One thing. You know you are wrong, but keep denying it. You treat others like they are wrong, but your actions speak far louder than your words.
And Shilling? Really? Moi? You apparently missed One important detail.
My profile doesn't have Sonic in it. I can't be a Shill if I am not either profiteering off the Sonic Series, or even Producing Content with the Means to advertise Sonic, or the fanbase.
So in This case, you are just name calling because you don't even know half of what you are even saying. And that tells me a lot about you.
Ain't that right, Yah Six year Old Whiny twit?
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-19 22:01:05 +0000 UTC]
oh I see fam your a grown ass man who legit thinks whatever I say is serious as an insult I got you
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 03:44:06 +0000 UTC]
Your actions. Speak louder. Than words. Stop making a Poor attempt at hiding it.
You're doing that right now.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-20 05:06:52 +0000 UTC]
I'm not hiding shit your denying your trying to make me feel guilty by using harsh insults with no reasoning or research behind it
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 09:59:48 +0000 UTC]
Says the One doing that. How broken is your house right now from all the stones you keep throwing at everyone who disagrees with you?
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-20 18:16:03 +0000 UTC]
it's not broken zero damage I repaired all of it
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 20:16:17 +0000 UTC]
And now you sound like a Child.
What was that about calling others an 'Edgelord', you little Child?
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 05:11:54 +0000 UTC]
Actually, No. You're the One trying to Guilt-trip others.
You also don't do research, regardless of what you proclaim to others.
After all, if you did, you would have known what half the words you use as insults even meant, and used them appropriately, but you never even did that.
I mean, you used Shill, without even understanding its proper meaning on me. It shows a lot from that alone.
Hek, even using words like 'Edgelord' was daft too.
Those two are what Jump out at me, that you don't even understand half of what you even say to others, instead, using what sounds 'cool' or 'Mainstream', which half of those are from idiots who have scrambled their Brains from trying to out-meme their perceived foes.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-20 09:01:26 +0000 UTC]
tf are you saying half the stuff are just insults fam
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 10:05:40 +0000 UTC]
How's your house?
Must be in a Million pieces from all the stones you keep throwing.
And honestly, You're the One tossing insults like they are candy. Half your sentences are Barely even illegible, and you don't even Capitalize the right words. It's not wtf, it's WTF.
If you want to Insult Someone, do it right. And BTW? Insults? How many slurs have you thrown at other people, then play the victim afterwards when they appropriately react? How many times have you insulted other people, then bitched at them for Breaking down your insults?
Think on everything you have done.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-20 18:14:24 +0000 UTC]
at least the insults I threw were within context
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FoxfangJohn0056 In reply to hogues931 [2019-01-20 20:20:50 +0000 UTC]
No. They weren't. You never even used them properly, So they weren't in context, they were never in context.
And you keep on doing that, like a little manchild who thinks he can win by acting like a complete tosser.
You have clearly learned nothing, and I am actually enjoying proving your own idiocy with how you keep on trying to cram your shit down other people's throats, even when you are proven wrong... Which is pretty much all the time.
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hogues931 In reply to FoxfangJohn0056 [2019-01-20 21:34:30 +0000 UTC]
now you teasing me for my age fam let me repeat what I said bitch all you do is insult act all fucking ought and shit and try to look badass I don't need to learn anything from a god damn red neck ass talking person
and you enjoy this shit bullying someone you are a sick fuck really all you do. is just state shit with no evidence, in fact, let me google how to block a person on DA to shut your ass up
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hogues931 In reply to ??? [2018-11-19 06:16:50 +0000 UTC]
so you generally 5 big ass replies are to big the handle two of which im thinking is from you or at least one i've have been in tons of debates and i never back down from just mere comment size bullshit
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ShanahaT In reply to LogiTeeka [2018-09-08 22:35:32 +0000 UTC]
- He's still a metal Sonic regardless, plus he's from the old universe too.
- I looked back at the reboot era, only Sonic called him uncle.
The uncle to many thing is rather vague and If Sega was really controlling the book, they would have cleared that up.
- They are still game characters that Sega has input on, Plus I have seen many playthroughs of Shadow's game (and played it myself) and I don't remember a thing about mentioning the Comander's daughter in shadow's game.
- But Worlds collide also references the old universe, it makes no sense regardless.
-Nope, Ian Flynn lied to us on a grand scale with this one.
It's right there in black and white, "Sega doesn't want us to imply that the game cast has aged."
- Ok, but he still flat out fails in those issues.
Plus everyone kept saying that we would never get an issue like 175 again because of the Penders lawsuit.
- No. Archie Sonic is also a different incarnation, that's why they use to say "a world far more unique then the Sega games".
And Ian Flynn said so himself that It was his decision to make the comic like the games.
- Yes, The Neo Metal Sonic thing could be considered a different wardrobe change too, but it still violates the so called mandates.
- The point here is to show that Sega's desire to keep Sonic's emotions in check stayed the same even after the lawsuit. Meaning they still had no problem with Sonic being sad and shedding tears. Sega did not double down on this mandate.
- They may not be using the American continuity to it's fullest now, but they are at least interested in it.
They are just not confident enough to use it now. But they are more interested in it now and they are more open minded with the franchise these days too. The fact Mighty and Ray are back and Forces had a Satam like setting proves it.
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LogiTeeka In reply to ShanahaT [2018-09-08 23:28:13 +0000 UTC]
- As I said, the fact that the Sol Dimension was unaffected was the loophole. The only condition is that particular Metal Sonic can no longer be referred to as 'Metal Sonic'.
- Really? I seem to recall one of the Freedom Fighters calling Chuck 'Uncle', implying that he might've not been Sonic's relative. It seemed like that was the trick Ian found to still keep him in the comics.
- It can be found in the extra hard-mode on the SHtH game that's accessible after beating the final boss, which takes place after the events of the game, so not many people are aware of it. During one of the missions, the Commander mentions to Shadow that the reason why he was so on edge was that he just became a grandfather, implying that he had offspring. With the Commander, the Black Arms, and Witchcart not being major characters, it seems that they were allowed to be expanded upon.
- Or, for all we know, SEGA could've changed their minds about it. It's never specified how old exactly Sonic or Amy were in those flashbacks. Plus, in all the flashbacks, the younger Sonic has green eyes and Eggman's Classic outfit was never shown in detail - so they technically weren't depicted in their classic forms. The only time they were able to show them in their older appearances was in 'Genesis of a Hero', which was meant to be a Classic Sonic issue and not a flashback sequence.
- Yeah, but not permanently. Even with the catastrophic events of #175, the following issue still resulted in a triumph.
- Technically, it was. But similar to the IDW series, it was an alternate continuity that closely mirrored the mainstream franchise - thus it had to reflect most of it. "Boom", however, was intended to be an entirely different incarnation altogether from its conception.
- Again, Boom Sonic was meant to be a different version of Sonic. I mean, he had a scarf and tons of sports-tape.
- Well, of course they have no problem with him showing emotions. The issue is that they don't want him balling his eyes out in utter despair or blowing a fuse like an uncorked bottle - stuff that isn't overly extreme since Sonic's character is meant to be pretty relaxed.
- Yeah, but as you said, it's more of a recent thing. They've made it clear in the past that some higherups in Japan didn't like the direction the American continuity took. I don't know if they might've had a change in heart or something, but they seem to be warming up to the American canon as of late, which could mean good news for fans of the SatAM series. But even then, I'm still not so sure if this means they'll be bringing over everything. I mean, they adapted Amy/Emi and Charmy into the games but not the rest of the manga. And Mighty and Ray are still regulated to the Classic Sonic side of the franchise.
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ShanahaT In reply to LogiTeeka [2018-09-09 00:38:46 +0000 UTC]
-ok, but he still goes against the mandates since he's still another Metal Sonic.
Sega would told them to write him out, especially with that whole "Multiverse collapsing on it self" line by Nicole.
- Yes REALLY, your only thinking of Flynn's interviews. Not once did he other Freedom Fighters refer to him as Uncle Chuck in conversation.
They usually called him Professor or Chuck. Even if they ever did refer to him as Uncle Chuck there's still the fact they called him that in the old universe (remember Antione referring to him by that name in issue 46?), and the fact he still has "The Hedgehog" in his name proves that even Sega thought they were related.
- ok, but that's still something I don't even think Sega executives would have known. Lastly they are still Game characters (and they still have rules on Black doom) So the rules apply to them too.
- they didn't change their minds or make their minds on a single thing with this one, those were in 2014. They make it clear that the characters aged in those flashbacks, Period. Read Ian's statement in the fine (and typo filled) print.
- and they still had Sonic and friends messing up and failing (what about Sonic failing to catch Metal Sonic in issue 271?). The fact that we still had an arc following what Endgame and Eggman Empire did proves that there is no excuse to say "he cant fail". Everyone said that stories like those would never happen again, yet it did.
- It's still a different world regardless, and Sega had no problem with it (remember Sonic Mega collection?)
Also, Sega (namely Izzuka) said that IDW is cannon to the games, the fact IDW's staff is saying other wise proves that Sega isn't over looking a thing.
- My statement remains true, The level of emotion Sega wanted him to show stayed the same through and through. Sega's mandate remined un altered.
- Sega may not have been open to in the 2000s, but the sure as hell are open to it today. (besides, Natao Oshima, Yugi Naka, and Hoshino never had a problem with it). Plus Hoshino was the one who made Amy, he had nothing to do with those Manga's (I don't know about Charmy though).
But yes, they are open to it now. The fact that Arron Webber is acknowledging the demand for the freedom fighters and Izzuka met with Penders proves it. Lastly, Sega never said that the Classic Sonic stuff is not cannon to the Modern Sonic stuff.
That interdimensional thing was just something for Forces.
Seriously, you need to be open minded to this stuff and do research. and listening to Ian Flynn's pod cast is not research.
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LogiTeeka In reply to ShanahaT [2018-09-09 03:43:38 +0000 UTC]
- A loophole, to be exact. It's sorta like how Marvel Comics regularly insert Superman into some of their comics, despite them not owning the character - as long as the character isn't directly referenced as 'Superman' or profited off of, it's perfectly legal. Ian probably liked the idea he originally had planned for that Metal Sonic and found a way to still keep it by simply giving him a new identity.
- Still, if Uncle Chuck is no longer officially recognized as a relative to Sonic, the term 'uncle' would have to be a nickname whenever he addressed him that way. The same applies to the FFs in the older continuity since they're clearly not related to him. As for the surname "the Hedgehog"... well, he's a hedgehog. If that indicates some sort of kinship, then Shadow and Silver should also be related to Sonic.
- Not really. The rule only seems to apply to the central cast (i.e. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, etc.), and the general given reason for it is that most of the characters are orphans so having no relatives makes some amount of sense. Minor or abandoned game characters seem to be fair game for authors since SEGA clearly has no interest in further fleshing them out. And in the case of the Commander (whose name was also an invention of Ian's) and Black Doom, their relatives were already established within the game lore. Wendy, meanwhile, was a character everyone pretty much forgot about and SEGA likely saw no value in.
- Given that SEGA has been pushing Classic Sonic to be a separate incarnation of the character as of late, that's very likely where the mandate was stemming from. It seems that Ian was able to walk around that limit by not having the characters depicted entirely in their Classic designs. I mean, why else is Classic Eggman constantly hidden in silhouette in those flashbacks?
- Yeah, but again, they still win the conflicts; regardless of the mistakes they've made. The creation of 'Endgame' was a different story, given that it was originally intended to be the conclusion of the series till SEGA renewed the license. 'Eggman Empire', however, was where the mandate seems to have been put into effect since the storyline was originally planned to be longer. What would've been a longer story had to be condensed down to conclude it quicker.
- It's still a reflection of the main franchise though. And Ian has said that though the IDWverse is strikingly similar to the games, things still happened differently compared to the games themselves. It's very likely that he and Izuka just happen to view things differently.
- Then what are we even arguing about?
- I agree that there may still be hope for the SatAM cast. Heck, Ian himself has also expressed as much - the problem is determining whether or not it's permitted. With the fiasco Penders created over the Archie series, it's possible that SEGA is afraid of potentially stepping on the toes of some other license holder. I mean, much of what people associate with the characters originated from the Archie comics, and with Archie still having faulty licensing arrangements, a number of familiar things might be in legal limbo as a result - notably the Archie original characters and exclusive designs. So of Nicole appears again, she will likely lose her lynx form.
I seem to remember watching footage from an old German documentary on SEGA that showed Oshima showing off some concept art he drew of some of the characters that appeared in the manga. Perhaps that's where they originated from. If so, he might've created the Emi character that later evolved into Amy.
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ShanahaT In reply to LogiTeeka [2018-09-09 03:53:44 +0000 UTC]
dude, you need to do actual research. Ian Flynn is not the candy man you think he is.
Like wise, Sega are not the west hating monsters we all thought they were.
Trust me, Ian Flynn is someone you can trust as far as you can throw.
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LogiTeeka In reply to ShanahaT [2018-09-09 05:02:21 +0000 UTC]
I know Ian isn't a perfect human being (nobody is), but I am more willing to believe the word of an individual person who works as a part-time employee rather than the corporation itself - especially those with questionable business practices.
And really? All this corporate talk and trouble over a series about a cartoon hedgehog? I think we're the ones throwing more than we can pitch.
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rickychip [2018-09-07 06:12:45 +0000 UTC]
You sir have earned my respect. 👍: 1 ⏩: 2
dth1971 In reply to ??? [2018-09-06 13:36:48 +0000 UTC]
I found another lie: Sally once tried to romance with Mighty Armadillo:
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SilverLion1999 In reply to dth1971 [2018-09-07 20:24:28 +0000 UTC]
I don't see how she's romancing with Mighty.
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dth1971 In reply to SilverLion1999 [2018-09-07 21:52:35 +0000 UTC]
Do you remember circa 2004 in Archie Sonic #134 when Sally temporary broke up with Sonic with that infamous slap in the face?
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SilverLion1999 In reply to dth1971 [2018-09-07 22:18:26 +0000 UTC]
I never really read the pre-160 comics?
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ShanahaT In reply to dth1971 [2018-09-06 17:14:52 +0000 UTC]
hmmm, that actually is pretty interesting.
Thanks for that.
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Masterge77 [2018-08-26 17:43:57 +0000 UTC]
While I understand that Sonic is a game franchise first and foremost, the problem is that Sega seems to be incapable of writing a Sonic story outside of a video game format, especially the Sega of today in which they're so conservative with the franchise that they have pretty much written themselves into a corner. They force the writers to write Sonic as if he was a character in a video game rather than a character in a comic book, and it doesn't work because video games don't work the way comic books do.
Sega's mandates are the result of the company's unwillingness to do anything new or different with the franchise, and while I understand it was necessary to clean things up, I feel Sega fails to understand exactly WHY people like Sonic, or WHY people like the comic, instead blaming Ken Penders for all the comic's faults prior to the lawsuit, thinking that SatAM was his creation and ignoring Ben Hurst or anyone else who was involved, just Ken Penders.
One real problem with the mandates is that they serve as a double-edged sword. The writers were told that they had to mainly focus on the official Sega characters and put everyone else such as the Freedom Fighters to the site, but the problem was that the Sega characters were placed under so many restrictions that there was very little the writers could actually do with the official characters. Basically, nothing was allowed to contradict the games, so they ended up mostly retreading past content because they were basically forbidden from doing anything new or different.
Part of me thinks this has to do with how insecure Sega is about the status of the franchise after Sonic '06 was a disaster, as well as how overly dark some of Ken Pender's stories got, as well as how out-of-character some of the official characters AND SatAM characters got.
I can definitely tell the mandates were from Sega of Japan in particular, especially considering how Sega of Japan and Sega of America have differing views of Sonic, have always been at each other's throats and have had miscommunication between each other for the longest time, combined with the fact that the games are produced and written by the Japanese side of things. I should also point out that Japan is a very xenophobic country, so that might also be a factor in the mandates, being that the Japanese side looks down upon SatAM and Archie because they were American-produced.
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ShanahaT In reply to Masterge77 [2018-08-26 17:49:51 +0000 UTC]
you clearly have not been paying any attention.
In fact, all you do is spam the same essay to people who talk about Archie Sonic.
If you have done your research, then you would know that the real reason Sega of Japan hasn't fully embraced the Satam material is because they don't have the confidence to use it. The don't feel it's safe to use yet.
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Nintrendodude In reply to ??? [2018-08-23 00:53:48 +0000 UTC]
"Man, I'm starting to feel like Alex Jones at this point.
It's only a matter of time until I start yelling with my shirt off about writers that turn the frogs gay."
Alex Hedgefox: I DONT LIKE EM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE INK THAT TURNED SALLY AND NICOLE GAY!
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Nintrendodude In reply to ??? [2018-08-18 03:19:46 +0000 UTC]
The top panel of this page would've been perfect to use for the excessive emotion mandate: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-b63KTAdWBgw…
Cuz this is excessive
Or maybe this cover: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-YYfilv72sws… / vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/so…
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ShanahaT In reply to Nintrendodude [2018-08-18 16:33:29 +0000 UTC]
I consider that one panel a maybe, but I feel Sonic's reaction at the end of 225 is the same thing. Plus, It proves that Sega is ok with it considering it was after the crying scene in 06.
Same thing with the cover of 155, I don't think it is necessary.
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Nintrendodude In reply to ShanahaT [2018-08-18 21:25:24 +0000 UTC]
I just feel they're a bit more emotional and more worth the look at than the 30 years later one
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ShanahaT In reply to Nintrendodude [2018-08-19 04:58:05 +0000 UTC]
30 years later?
I don't have that one on here?
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Nintrendodude In reply to ShanahaT [2018-08-20 06:30:59 +0000 UTC]
I meant 25, mixed them up.
Either way the sonic screaming "no" while crying is alot more fitting and hits the point more than the edit of sonic histarically looking like he's tired.
Cuz the original version of the panel is not canon cuz its not in the final version, and the one that is in the final version again, sonic just looks tired or worn out.
Plus if you use the one of sonic saying no, it gives you a non-flynn example of sega being ok with sonic crying sometimes and that ian is pulling stuff out of his ass.
Cuz all the examples you provided were from ian's writing. Plus using the 30 years later edit is kinda misleading.
As for the 155 cover it does fit much better as well, cuz at first glance it looks like sonic is depressed and has given up everything. Sure he's not bawling his eyes out, but sonic typically doesnt curl in fetal position anf mopes like he does on that cover, thats powerful and effective sadness
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ShanahaT In reply to Nintrendodude [2018-08-20 10:56:04 +0000 UTC]
I see your point, and I see that this crap with Sega being more strict on Sonic was not a thing even at that time.
But I don't feel it is necessary.
I think just showing evidence that Sega was allways looking over what the comic was doing before the lawsuit and that they were fine with all the emotions Sonic showed after the lawsuit is enough to prove that Sega's level of strictness actually stayed the same after the Penders lawsuit and didn't increase like many people are saying.
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lightingshine In reply to ??? [2018-08-17 06:59:08 +0000 UTC]
I think the context of the demands is something that should be considered. I also heard that Ian Flynn got a track record of exploiting loopholes in mandates. I apologize for the super long text.
-By no more than one Metal Sonic, it's most likely referring that Metal Sonic should be treated as a legitimate character and not something that can be mass produced like any simple robot, considering how in Sonic 4 they establish that Metal Sonic is the same one from Sonic CD and Heroes did the same. Captain Metal is a Metal Sonic from another dimension, not mass produced, while the other Metal Sonic has been consistently being the same, there's even a part when Metal Sonic got lost from Eggman's radar and he lamented that he lost his Metal Sonic but doesn't bother to do another version, he gets happy when Metal Sonic returns to him.
-If I recall correctly, Uncle Chuck was established as a surrogate uncle, not related in any way. However, you do make a good point with the other characters like Black Death. Not going to defend that, maybe SEGA simply doesn't care for Black Doom, GUN Commander and Wendy Witchcart to bother checking. Overall, I think this is a good point you made.
-Remember that the Sonic Social Media is filled with memes and even an "I identify myself as a helicopter" joke ones and went under SEGA's radar, hard to even take it seriously anymore, Aaron Webber's canon statement too to some extent.
-Context neede, they do not remember the previous Archie universe, but the original crossover started in a different universe to the one we followed in the main Archie Sonic series, it was a universe that was literally similar to the games and that universe eventually fused with the main Archie Sonic universe when the Sonic from that universe messed up the Chaos Control and replaced his Archie self, only having some of his memories. There's a loophole that Ian Flynn exploited here, the previous Archie universe can't be brought back, but nothing said that he can't reference the other Sonic universe were the crossover took place.
-To be fair, maybe they did had SEGA permission to use flashbacks and second, they don't imply that the characters are again at their current state, but the use of Classic designs in flashbacks is pretty much exactly the same as how SEGA themselves handle it in Generations. So it's arguably fair game.
-I think there's a bit of a confusion with not allowing Sonic to lose and being temporarily put down, remember that SEGA themselves did this to the extream in Forces, with Sonic being instantly defeated by Infinite and then locked for 6 months, but at the end he didn't completely fail, even stating that there was 1% of the world not taken over by Eggman when he was freed from the Death Egg. And its very likely that the demands didn't start to fully kick in until at some point of 2007, your example might have been the last time it went under the radar.
-Sonic Boom was heavily promoted as a new subseries, while the Archie Comics and IDW Comics are arguably more like commercials of the main series.
-Comic covers are usually not to be taken fully seriously, remember that recent Sonic Channel artwork has the cast wearing different outfits, example 1 and 2 . Sonic Runners (a game made by Sonic Team themselves) also did it . They probably mean that they can't change their designs, like how Amy in the Fleetway Comics has a different outfit. Chip Bracelet is something that originated from Unleashed itself, so it's going to be logical that as an adaptation it's going to do the same, perhaps they were allowed to have an exception, it's not like if we see Sonic wearing it after the arc (not that they had the chance tho), using another example that didn't originate from the games and its not a cover could make your point stronger.
-The first example that you give is probably a perfect example of what they mean by how much they are allowed to express, the Sonic in the final version only show a tear, while the storyboard shows him as being totally broken by the events. This demand probably has little to nothing to do with the lawsuit and mostly a demand by SEGA that also applies to their games since forever.
-The western/SatAM canon do represent a part of Sonic history, in fact, is where they got the idea of Sonic's love for chilidogs, but they probably don't plan to do anything with it while moving forward, of course you could argue that Ian Flynn take on the comics ended up slowing killing the SatAM aspects and becoming more like the games, but for me, seems like a clear example that there are no official members at SEGA that cares enough to preserve it, leaving it at the mercy of however is in charge while making sure of protecting what represent the game series. Considering how they didn't they supposedly didn't allow Omega to be the one to kill Tummy Turtle and joining Eggman's army, but let Mecha Sally happens as well as all the weird thing they were doing with the Freedom Fighters at the time.
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