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GOOOD LOOOOVES A TERRIERyes he does
GOOOD LOOOOVES A TERRIER
just because
small sturdy bright and true, they give their love to you
God didn't miss a stitch, be it dog or be it bitch
when He made them sharp and merrier
with a cute little derriere
yes, GOOOD LOOOVES A TERRIER
Finished Groups: Terrier, Working, Sporting, Herding, Toy.
Coming Next: Non-Sporting.
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I believe that book is referring to dogs like the Labradoodle, who have their own Kennel Club, but are not an actual breed.
APBTs have been 'real' since the UKC opened in 1898. Then the ADBA was created to register them, since the AKC was refusing to because they didn't want to be associated with pit fighting.
In 1936, the AKC recognized the APBT, but only under the breed name of 'Staffordshire Terrier'. UKC registered APBTs were allowed into the Stafford stud books.
In the 1960's the AKC reopened its stud books to the APBT. They have been closed ever since.
In the 1970's the AKC recognized the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and changed the Staffordshire Terrier to American Staffordshire Terrier.
Many AKC AmStaffs are still dual registered as UKC APBTs today.
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What ever I have my mond set, and I know I'm right, and nobody can tell me otherwise
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Just know that you have hundreds of years of evidence that contradicts everything your saying.
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There are written pedigrees for pit bulls that date into the late 1700's.
They're one of the oldest breeds around.
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no Oldest breeds consist of:
Akita, Alaskan Malamute, Elkhound, Samoyed, Siberian Husky, Keeshond, Chow Chow, Eurasier, Finnish Spitz, Pomeranian, Bull Terrier, Basset Hound, Beagle, Bloodhound, German Short-haired Pointer, Braque Francals, Poodle, Cocker Spaniel, Pharaoh Hound, Deer Hound, Grey Hound, Irish Wolfhound, Afghan Hound, Saluki, German Shepard, Berger Picard, Colli, Beauceron, Briard, Old English Sheeepdog, Pyrenean Mountain dog, Dougue de Bordeaux, Komondor, Leonburger, Mastiff and MANY more
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Where do you think the Bull Terrier came from?
The Pit Bull.
Same with the mastiff breeds. They are direct descendants of butchers dogs, Bulldogs.
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Bull terrier ORIGINATED STRAIGHT from the wolf same with all the others I listed
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What?
The Bull Terrier was created in 1850 by James Hinks who was looking to create a 'Gentleman's Dog'. They are Bulldogs crossed with the now extinct English White Terrier, and there is Dalmatian, Greyhound, Spanish Pointer, Fox Hound and Whippet to increase elgance and agility, and Borzoi and Collie to reduce the stop.
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All those names I losted were the closest relation to Wolves we have and thats my final imput into this conversation. I know dogs, IDk if you do, but all I care is that I am here on DA :0
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Heh, whatever.
You clearly know nothing about canine history, so I'll let you bumble around in your ignorance.
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OH MI FING GOD
I know a HELLA lot more than you do. and I cant wait until... *calming self down* for get it... I dont need this drama
What ever cause neither of us REALLY and TRULY know the truth. and neither of us can prove each other wrong cause, WE WEREN'T THERE
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You don't know me, and therefore can make no assumptions as to what I do or do not know.
In any case, I don't appreciate people telling me my dogs don't exist and that every breed historian there is has no idea what they're talking about.
I get my facts from written accounts of people who were alive to see breeds develop, so I would hope they have some credibility.
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I didnt say they didnt exist. Their here, but IDk if they were officially a breed
And writing things down about people "saying" the breed was there isnt always true. Not saying that they were lying, but ya never know.
Another thing. You dont know me either so you cant make inferences on what i know or dont know either...
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I would certainly hope pioneers of the breeds would knew what they were talking about.
I don't care to have a 14 year-old with no experience in pit bulls tell me that breed historians are wrong.
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Just cause I'm 14 doesn't mean I'm not right. I actually know a HELL A LOT more than 25-40 year-olds, thank you very much
I hope the pioneers at least knew that too. Otherwise, our history is JACKED UP... oh wait. beacuse of rumors, we do have A LOT of problems in our history, so there
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I do not think you know more than Diane Jessup, for example. Or John Colby.
Just because you think you know about a breed you've never owned, doesn't mean you do.
I'll stick with the experts, thank you.
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Just because I dont own the breed doesn't mean ANYTHING. I do know that they might be outlawed from parts of the US, but IDk I could be wrong. And so can you.
I said MOST as is "AVERAGE" so yeah I may not be smarter than them, whoever they are, but who FUCKING cares
what experts? there is no Actual PROOF that you can show me when this breed was originated and I have no proof to say that they weren't. NOBODY can prove that they were originated or became an "official" breed because of Rumors and such.
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I never said you didn't know anything.
I could tell you where pit bull-type dogs are banned in the US.
Denver, Dade County, Lawerenceville, Columbia, Prince George County, Naval District, Reading, Yonkers, and Osceola.
I could go on, but I don't feel like it.
Diane Jessup, John Colby, Marcy Setter, Karen Delise, any one from BADRAP, and many others are all experts.
Check out Jessup's site:
Working Pit Bull - Pit Bull History
I have mounds of proof that the APBT is official, when the breed became breed, and evidence to prove everyone of your beliefs wrong.
"Sometime during the nineteenth century, dog fanciers in England, Ireland, and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between Bulldogs and Terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog."
"U.K.C. founder C. Z. Bennett assigned U.K.C. registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett's Ring in 1898."
To put a valid timeframe on this point in history the designation "Bulldog" was first mentioned in print in 1631. A letter written in Spain in 1632 by an Englishman named Prestwich Eaton asked his friend George Wellingham in London for a 'good mastiff dog and two bulldogs.'"
"Circa 1406 Edmond de Langley, Duke of York, wrote a treatise entitled
'The Mayster of the Game and of Hawks' in which he described the
'Alaunt' or 'Allen' dog (a descendant of the ancient molossoid dogs),
which was the popular baiting dog of the time because of its
tenaciousness and strength. In a 1585 painting, dogs described as
Alaunts that look very similar to modern day Pit Bulls, only of a larger
size, are shown hunting wild hogs."
You are welcome to post some links that back you up. If you can find any.
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you aren't listening to me at all. LINKS cant prove anything. Websites can be changed. Its called EDITING. and like Ive said before, we cant really prove that these dogs are actually an official breed because we weren't there and we dont have official proof. and that does not mean a website because they change. and books dont really count either.
Oh and BTW if they had to create a new kennel club to make them an official breed, then that wouldn't make them one until the original Kennel club accepted them. and that time would be the official breed date.
Another thing. I was talking to the owner of this picture and you might want to go back and read that person's reply on the APBT
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So sorry I don't have scans of official kennel club documents. If I did, I would show them to you.
You can do a bit of background reading if you want. Jessup's Working Pit Bull is quiet awesome.
The AKC is an all-looks kennel club, which is why the pit bull was not registered with them. Pits are working dogs, and in the opinion of some, the supreme working dog. That's why the UKC was created. To provide a registry for working dogs.
If you want to prove me wrong, show some evidence. Some facts. So far, I've been the only one to do so.
And again, I go with breed experts, not animation students for my breed info.
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I have given you facts. the list of dogs I stated. and
I dont believe that the Pit Bulls should be listed under terriers. this was the only time I ever saw them listed under that category. I even have this AKC magazine that states the following breeds as terriers:
Airedale terrier, American Staffordshire terrier,Australian terrier, bedlington terrier, Border terrier, Bull terrier, cairn terrier, dandie dinmont terrier, fox terriers (smooth and wire), Glen of Ismaal terrier, Irish terrier, Kerry Blue terrier, Lakeland terrier, manchester terrier, miniature bull terrier, miniature schnauzers, nerfolf terrier, norwhich terrier, Parson Russell terrier, sealyham terrier, soft coated wheaten terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, Welsh terrier, west highland white terrier, and Jack Russell Terrier. No APBT what so ever.
what breed experts? you 
If you're just going to rant about certain breeds and complain and make fun of artists here on DA, then you should just leave now, because to be on DA you must respect fellow artists.
I'm going to look through the other magazines I have here and look for the Pit bulls but I'll doubt if I'll find them
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Do you not realize the American Staffordshire Terrier is the APBT?
There have been no cross outs, none what so ever, that could separate the two breeds.
There are thousands of dogs dual registered as APBTs and ASTs.
For example, many of Ginny York's dogs are dual registered.
I don't consider myself an expert, but I do feel I know my dog's history well. Considering you find puppy mill worshiping kennel clubs supreme experts on the APBT, I'm not surprised you feel the way you do.
If you want to read up on APBTs, I suggest American Pit Bull Terriers - Popular Dogs Series and Bully Breeds - Popular Dog Series, both published by Dog Fancy's editors.
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Ha I told you that there is no such thing as the APBT and you just agreed. They are not legally called the APBT and I was right. They were not accepted by the AKC as Pit Bulls
AND THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING FROM THE BEGGINING!
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lolwhat?
I said the AKC doesn't register APBTs. Not that they don't exist.
APBTs are 'legally' APBTs. Not ASTs or STBs. APBTs.
The AKC also doesn't recognize the Cane Corso, Dogo Argentino, American Bulldog, or Catahoula Leopard Dog. They only recognize 153 breeds of dog, even though there are hundreds and hundreds more.
Each year new breeds are added to the AKC. Do those breeds become 'real' at that registration?
The Labrador Retriever wasn't recognized by the AKC until 1917. Were labs 'not real' until then?
And you said the APBT doesn't exist. Not that they are not recognized, under the term American Pit Bull Terrier, by the AKC.
If that was what you were saying, you wouldn't have argued with me.
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yeah they exist.
And I didnt say that breeds weren't real until they were reconized by the AKC I said that they weren't an official breed.
They are NOT legally APBTs because then they woudd be called that not AST.
American bulldog is listed under the AKC so thats that
I never said the APBTs didnt exist, I saidthat they weren't qualified under an official breed. And yes they are not recolonized under the AKC as APBTs
If that is actually when the Labs were accepted, then thats when they became an official breed, they did exist before, but they weren't official
And I'm not arguing with you, you are arguing with me. Cause I had the right to post on that image and if you thought that person was just an "animation student" you shouldn't have even looked at their pic. Cause this Website is for all kinds of art, not amateur enthusiasts
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"They're actually not considered an actual breed"
"Pit Bulls aren't considered an official breed"
"It is not considered an actual breed."
"Their unofficial."
The American Bulldog is not recognized by the AKC. I don't know where you got that they are.
Considering the UKC is the second largest canine registry in the United States, that have excellent legal standing and credibility.
BADRAP did some sleuthing and found that:
• The ADBA registers about 200,000 pit bulls a year.
• The UKC registers about 300,000 dogs a year, and pit bulls are #2. So 30-50,000 dogs is a fair estimate.
• HSUS estimates that 400,000 pit bulls are involved in illegal fight rings. (Directly from John Goodwin)
That's 650,000 pit bulls just in registered dogs and the dogs owned by felons participating in fight rings. That is 2/3 the number of total AKC registered dogs, and adds up to more than their top 20 breeds combined.
Labs were recognized in 1917 , but they were a 'real' breed long before that.
Do you even know the process that breeds have to go through in order to be able to be recognized by the AKC? First, there has to be a large following of the breed and a national breed club. There must also be at least 300 dogs of the breed with a three-generation pedigree proving their lineage. The breed must also have populations in twenty+ states as well. There are several other steps taken, but in all, it takes one to three years for a breed to be recognized by the AKC.
Even after all those requirements do the breeds only become real at the moment the AKC gives the okay?
AKC recognition does not a breed make.
And what about other registries? The UKC? The KC? The ADBA?
You have every right to post on a piece of art. I live SwiftWhippet's work, and their being an animation student does not diminish that. I just prefer breed experts and historians for breed history.
I am not just an amateur enthusiast.
I own six dogs; five pits and one labrador pit bull cross. They all have CGCs and TTs, Alva has a UCD, and Nero just got his second leg towards his UCD.
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Yeah you posted what I said. Is there anything I said that made the breed unreal!?! no
All I was saying was they were not recognized by the AKC as pit Bulls or American Pit Bull Terriers. They are recognized as the American Staffordshire Terriers or Staffordshire Bull Terriers. A lot of people call them Pit Bulls in short as like a slang name, ut thats not really what they are.
And I know how long it takes for a breed to make it into the AKC and what it takes. I've studied this over the last year. I know that a new breed gets recognized almost every month too. Did you know that?
And the most recent dogs to be accepted, starting with this month, were:
March 2009: Pyrenean Shepherd [link]
February 2009: Norwegian Buhund [link]
January 2009: Irish Red and White Setter [link]
July 2008: Dogue de Bordeaux [link]
And I can tell you several things about those breeds that I knew even before they became an official breed. Like the Dogue de Bordeaux stared in the movie Turner and Hooch with Tom Hanks
Look, anyone can have dogs with a CGC and UCD. its not impressive. I've got to admit though, its impressive for a Staffordshire terrier.
and why don't we both just forget about this because we both have proof and we are both siding with different Kennel clubs, and frankly, its leading nowhere. So what do you say? Truths?
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No you didn't.
You said the American Pit Bull Terrier isn't 'real' or 'official'.
It most certainly is.
And pit bull is a shorting of the term 'American Pit Bull Terrier'. Just like 'lab' for the Labrador and 'westie' for the West Highland White Terrier.
And, once again, the AST is the APBT. The AKC took in UKC registered APBTs in to create the 'American Staffordshire Terrier'.
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Wait, wait.
Was the Dogue de Bordeaux 'real' when Turner and Hooch came out in 1989? Since the AKC just recognized them, according to your logic, they must not have been.
And not anyone can get a CGC or UCD. Most dogs I know can't even heel.
It's not at all surprising or impressive that pit bulls can get OB titles. Ever heard of Ch. Bandog Dread? Jessup's most famous pit bull?
My dogs are not Staffords. Nero, Alva, Haine, Platz and Maggie are APBTs and Chloe is a Pit x Lab.
I'll willingly declare a truce, but I will firmly believe the truth, no matter what a 14 year-old tells me.
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Yeah I was saying that they aren't called APBT's by the AKC which is the original Kennel Club.
OH MAH GOD!
I am not saying the dogs arn't real, I;'m saying their breed hasnt been reconized yet. The Dogue de Gordeauz was real for the WHOLE TIME it has been on this planet. Along with many other dogs in this galaxy. I never said these dogs were Unreal I said they weren't a real breed as in they weren't a reconized breed.
Heeling? thats nothing. ANY well trained dog with a normal owner can learn to sit and heel. Thats nothing. I've trained AT LEAST ten dogs to heel, several of them that wont listen to their owners.
according to the ACK your dogs are Standfords but according to the UKC they're APBT so we're both right about that.
What truth. We were both right. We just sided with two different Kennel clubs that have different names for the dog.
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I dislike most kennel clubs. I'm not siding with the UKC or whatever, just defending my dogs' heritage.
This is so utterly asinine. I'm discontinuing this conversation.
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I am aware of that. But nonetheless I know that lots of people love them and would probably appreciate icons of them, so I did them along with the rest of the terriers since they stemmed from the AmStaffs and the Staffie Bulls. These are groups of heads that I did to make icons of these dogs, and not supposed to be '
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Oh. What you should have done was made an Un-efficial breed group or something, but IDk its fine like this. JACK RUSSELLS RULE
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YEAH! Bullies and Staffies 4-EVA! *pounce*
But I like also Manchester, cause they looked like little Dobis ^^
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how can you forget the best,cutest,nicest,goodest dog of all? yorkshire TERRIER!
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They're in the Toy Group, not the Terriers, so if you go and look at the picture I did of the Toy Group, it will be there.
Please don't shout at me. 
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im sorry verry verry sorry im not meen please dont be mad i was just kidding and i wasnt sure if you just forgot to add it or not and i put the "!" there because i do that lots im sorryand by the way i LOVE your picture
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I'm not mad, but I'd advise you to think before you type, especially to strangers. A lot can be misread over the internet and in any case I get quite a few comments from people demanding I draw this breed and that breed, and it gets very tiresome.
Thank you, though, I'm glad you like this. Just be more careful next time. The internet might be 'fake', but there are still real people behind the screennames.
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okay thanks for the advise. It means alot that your not mad. I hope we can look past this and be friends. 
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Adorable! I love the border terrier!
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I have a terrier mix he is adorable!!
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Your English is fine, I don't know what you are apologising for. 
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I have the Wire Haired Fox Terrier.
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I wish I could draw like you do o_o<33
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I appreciate the sentiment, thank you, but... don't. Don't wish to draw like anyone but yourself.
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