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Published: 2017-07-24 20:50:46 +0000 UTC; Views: 888; Favourites: 14; Downloads: 1
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so according to my pal ZentrixStudios , fans have been asking Sega to have an OC creator for years now...ok, 1. sources please
and 2. Even if that's true, it's a tad bit too late. Now before anyone comments "YOU FILTHY OC HATER" in the comments below, no I don't hate OC's. There are some good OC's out there that I have seen, but the reason why I said it's too late is because over time people have made a joke out of it.
There aren't too many good OC's out there, that aren't recolors or basic rip offs. I hate to say but at this point the idea of OC's has become a joke, which leads to the reason why the whole OC thing is being taken negatively.
And to the person who said "Sega should have came out with Sonic Forces sooner" I'm sorry I forgot your name but god damn it you really hit the nail on the head. Sega, we should have gotten this sooner, and should be getting multiplayer adventure like games with characters from the comic or even characters that you've dumped and refused to acknowledge for years now, not this BS presented to us today.
Yet people like my friend I mentioned above want to scratch their heads and wonder why we hate on forces so much...
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I'm sorry, what? I can't hear your stammering lame justifications about why this game will fail before it's released over all the hype.
Also, Sources - not 1, but 2: www.gameinformer.com/games/son… and www.gamecrate.com/interview-ta…
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and I'm sorry you think my justifications are lame. I'm also sorry you wasted time on my post writing that out and finding the sources instead of doing something better with your life...
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You mean the ones that I already knew where they were because I was simultaniously looking at the page when I was browsing through pictures?
Don't flatter yourself by thinking I wasted anything more than about three seconds.
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I'm not flattering myself, I'm just saying
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No, you're flattering yourself and ignoring the fact that said proof also explicitly states why they could only do it now, completely destroying your argument.
By the way, word for the wise - if you're going to put up childish rants like this? Do it on Twitter. At least there you might find more than your two friends agreeing with you 100%.
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There are other people who agree with my childish rants., unlike you guys, we do want the same crap and nostalgia drowning from sega.
Just because you can character your own character, doesn't mean it's a saving grace for sonic forces, and I'm sorry sheep like you can't see that, and demand sega give you better stuff then they are doing now
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That's not what this comment section says, what with only one person agreeing with you unironically, one person agreeing but only for the generic "I wanted to play Knuckles, even though this game is about different gameplay styles and fans throw a fit whenever a character with a remotely different playing style shows up" reason, and every other comment are people politely disagreeing with you and the one you responded to who wasn't me, you acted like a five year old and refused to even acknowledge that people have their own opinions.
In fact, claiming that I'm a "sheep" for not despising it makes you sound like the one going with a herd - the same herd that IGN's infamous "Sonic was never good" statement came from.
Did I say anything about Nostalgia? No. You're assuming.
Did I say anything about how the game would be awesome? No. I'm merely cautiously optimistic since it's using the Colors and Generations gameplay style have been good - not even on "nostalgia's sake", but have been genuinely _good_ games.
My only points were
1) Yes, people did ask for this for over 20 years.
2) It's not "Too late" because the only time it's too late is when a series is dying, and with the exception of the Boom trilogy and 2006, even mediocre Sonic games get the sales needed to continue the series.
3) There is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of the Avatar System.
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I'm a 5 year old huh? Wow, go pat yourself on the back for that insult.
I'm not going with ign on the sonic was never good, I rant about sega because I'm tired of them half assing sonic games and not giving us a chance to play as other characters, bring characters back and actually have a decent story.
You can go waste your money on forces, but I'm saving it on games that are actually worth my time
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You didn't hear all the people whining from Adventure to Heroes to the Advance Trilogy to Rush, to 2006 (Admittedly, that was a shit game) to Unleashed (for Werehog) about all of Sonic's "Shitty friends"? Really? You must be new.
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There whining is a load of bullshit, and it's because of it that sonic games are the way they are
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Let me tell you something. There are people on BOTH sides of EVERY Fandom argument who are the same way.
Hell, I once suggested in an open forum that the best way to do the multiple characters - to keep everyone in the "let's have multiple player characters" camp happy - would be to alternate between Adventure style (everyone has their own goals and plays their own way) and the classic style (same gameplay with different abilities - but make sure Sonic has an ability that's worth it so he's not "Just there") gameplays. Both sides got pissed and started arguing again because they didn't find it acceptable.
Nothing Sega does will please the entire fanbase.
And you can't tell them they only need to please you because that's selfish and, I'll say again, childish to think that you're the one they need to cater to.
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Not just me, but fans with actual logic here. How can sonic evolve as a series with little to no characters because the fans can't make up their mind?
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That's an odd statement - a series can evolve without making new PLAYABLE characters, you know. I'm not disagreeing with having more characters playable, but I do disagree with the point that any series would need them.
Also, don't be so literal. What I'm saying is, when it comes to things like this - with a fandom THIS large (no matter how toxic) - you can't please everyone. Doing so would make an unplayable mess. Or are you saying you'd rather have another Sonic 2006 or Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric. << Because both of those games tried to please too many people at once.
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How about a game where it really doesn't, and just pleases the real fans. Fans that complain about sonics friends, aren't real fans to me. Neither are those who defend the 2 clown writers from colors and on
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And who's to decide who the "real fans" are? You? There are people who have LEGITIMATE points against any point that the so called "true fans" that you're citing have - for instance, about the problems of juggling multiple characters....
Let's use the previous cited example of Knuckles as an example. As a character, Knuckles is impossible to use in an adventure context - he has one goal in life and one goal only - the protection of the Master Emerald. He has absolutely no reason to get involved in ANY of Sonic's adventures anymore, outside of recycling either "he stumbled into it like a moron" (His Sonic & Knuckles story, Sonic Mania)( or "Master Emerald got shattered... again" (Sonic Adventures 1 & 2).
With this in mind, it's impossible to fufill both your "good story" and "use all the characters" bit, because making Knuckles playable would, by very essence, require a plot contrivance.
And way to prove my earlier point "Fans who defend the two clown writers" - WOW, you again just proved yourself just as bad as the so called "not real Sonic fans" with that level of talking - part of the problems of those sections of fans is that they feel they're right and the other side is wrong. So thanks for proving yourself to be part of the problem.
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I have a point though, it's clear the two idiots are doing a shitty job at writing for the sonic games, I'm not the only one who agrees with this.
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There are others who agree--- but that HARDLY means they're right. Hell, let's look at them game by game, shall we?
Colors was a ridiculous premise - by focusing on Eggman's whole Theme Park obsession, the plot NEEDED to be silly, so it was fine. Besides, most long running franchises have abreather "episode" (or breather series). Look at Transformers. Fans loved Animated for whatever reason, and it took itself even LESS seriously than Sonic Colors and had even worse writing - and the Transformers fans are even more demanding than the Sonic fanbase (Not more toxic, as they seem to agree on things, but they're harsher to their own series).
Generations didn't need much of a plot to begin with. So what they had was fine - yes, I'd have liked a bit more examination of the time travel aspects, but like Sega was REALLY going to let that happen. Plus it had a shoutout to the Storybook games, which, while they had some divisive as hell gameplay, they had some of Sonic's best char acterization ever.
That leaves Lost World. Lost World's main plot problem people bring up is how Sonic distrusted Tails with deactivating Eggman's machine. However, this rings hollow - name one time in the Sonic series where Tails has been able to shut down one of Eggman's machines without Sonic having to beat the shit out of said machine. Yeah. Never happened, did it? The closest was attempting to overload his grandfather's eclipse cannon in Sonic Adventure 2 and, hey look, it didn't work! The legit problems I find with the plot sound more like Sega mandates - There not being a vs. Cyborg Tails fight most noticebly. While this story had the most flaws --- it also dipped closer to the Adventure-era plot stylings that everyone wants.
Let's give them one last chance on Mainstream Sonic before we call for their heads, after all, nobody's ever been able to tell me what the ACTUAL problem with the Colors plot was even if they've been able to point out legit problems I couldn't counter with Generations and Lost World (though outside of the ones I mentioned in Lost World, I honestly can't think of one that I'd count as a failing of the writer in Generations since from what I heard, they had PLANNED on a longer story, but Sega kiboshed it).
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Sega is the problem then. They're killing their own product. And 3 strikes there out...I mean generations you got me there, but then after that they seemed to fall down.
In fact if it wasn't for the many bugs and Nintendo screwing then over boom would have kicked ass
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Ehhh... Maybe if it had gotten it's original version? They've released bug fixes for the version they got and what you got is a game that's not as bad as 2006 -- but is incredibly mediocre. Which is admittedly better than complete crap like 2006. Most of my problems with the game now are story related, and according to information, the Boom show team came in with demands five months from release to change plot elements and add references to the show, removing Sonic's story arc among other things.
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Why not? If this game should have been made years ago, then surely it's better for it to be made now than not at all.
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My opinion on the OC in Sonic Forces, optional character designed to (finally) give the player the opportunity to play another gameplay than the boost formula and another character that ... Sonic or... Sonic.
It's not bad but more things bother me with him:
-Like I have already said: he is the only originality of Sonic Force (and still I think SEGA is inspired by the concept "OC + return of the old villains" of Xenoverse)
-The customization is so limited that even if you think you have created an original character that does not belong solely to you, the truth will be that there will always be other fans who will probably have also imagined and created.
-Another character would not have been more interesting as 3rd hero?
I mean, we already have Classic Sonic that is only present for nostalgia and the OC probably will not have any real importance in the scenario. Why not give importance to other characters who really deserve it and whose role is completely erased in this game like Knuckles and Silver ? In 3 or 4 years was largely feasible (especially if as I said Classic and OC will have only an overrated importance in the scenario).
It just makes me laugh to see that few fans criticize that, while Sonic06 was partially criticized because of Blaze06 when she was treated much better and was more important in this game than the characters turned into Omochaos in Sonic Forces.
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I 100% disagree completely with what you said......
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Then piss off with this obsolete post....
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You don't need to give me attitude my dude
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I don't hate the OC creator. But my main thing is "Why do I have to resort to making a ripoff Knuckles instead of playing the actual one that you keep throwing towards the sidelines with everyone else you dumb since 2007?"
If people like it that's fine but I'm sick of the Sonic-only narrative.
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Same here. Can we please focus on someone else please sega?
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Not even that if you ask me the game isn't going to be like what people are comparing it to. This won't be Sonic Xenoverse and the Avatar thing might be utterly barebones and just lacking. I feel from someone who is use to character creators you REALLY have to be expansive just to have a standard version of that mechanic like Saints Row or an MMO like World of Warcraft. From what I've seen of the Avatar it won't be as limitless and that is a HIGH detriment as once you add something that allows players to create on their own you already have an artificially high expectation.
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As I have jokingly said in a tweet, I'm glad Sonic Forces exists, if only for Sega to validate all the lame stuff I was into when I was a kid. Sonic Mania will be a solid hit and if Forces can't measure up, then I feel comfort in knowing that all the eggs are not in one basket.
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