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Published: 2017-07-09 04:00:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 3314; Favourites: 32; Downloads: 1
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I'm really starting to wonder if it's sega's fault that (not all of us) but most of the fandom just doesn't like good content or for Sonic to be something. Shit on Penders all you want, but give him credit for giving Sonic's world depth and giving us more then what the games have given us story wise. You know god forbit it's a bad thing that Sonic tries to maybe tell a story...And of course when the game tries to it's by 2 shitty writers who know nothing about the franchise, and people wonder why Sonic mania is getting more hype then forces. basically a rom hack or not, at least give Sonic mania this: you don't have to deal with shitty writing and dialogue, and I hate to be spiteful here but I do hope Sonic forces bombs to send a message to both it's loud and proud supporters and Sega themselves.Β
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I'm just glad Modern Nintendo's not like this.
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"Sonic and Sega-exclusive characters are not allowed to show excessive emotion"
Yeah sure, it's not like a "Boys don't cry" is a stereotype or everything.
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People like to see the Archie Sonic comics anymore as nothing more than Ken Penders' furry fan-fiction, yet the thing I liked about it was that it made Sonic feel like more than just a blue hedgehog and a kitsune fighting a mad scientist that was basically Elmer Fudd but with robots. Of course, back then the games didn't have much to offer beyond that, so people like Ben Hurst, Mike Gallagher and Ken Penders had to improvise.
This is something I feel that Archie Sonic fans fail to understand is that the comics were always meant to promote the games, while the Sega Sonic fans (and Sega themselves) fail to understand that Sonic was always more than just the games.
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Archie lost the Sonic rights in 2017, you know!
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You know what else is BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLL-shit?
The fact that Sega also set up copyright policies that prevents elements from the Archie comics from being used in other Sonic continuities AND characters from non-western, non-game Sonic media from being used from the comics. It would've been nice to see characters like Old Man Owl, Johnny Lightfoot and Cosmo in the comics. But of course Sega has to act all Big Brother and prevent this from happening.
Capcom doesn't seem to have a problem with including characters from other media in Street Fighter. Why the FUCK can't Sega be the same?
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because their ran by a bunch of dumbasses.Β
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Pretty much. Archie Sonic Issue #101 featured the OVA verse and Sega threw a hissy fit over it.
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Does sega just not want sonic to do good? I swear their holding their own mascot back with there bullshit ways!
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I hope some new blood takes over Sega and abolishes all of these stupid mandates. Other companies see no problem with using Canon Foreigners in their main canons, and Sega shouldn't either.
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100% agree with you on it. The Sonic game cannon isn't all that great either. It's been going to shit ever since Sega listened to their shitty fan base and got rid of "Sonic's annoying friends".Β
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Remember Dark Sonic? That one transformation from that one episode of Sonic X that not only looks badass, but could also potentially flesh out Sonic's character? Guess why he's never made another appearance ever since.
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I must tell this to SEGA and the fanbrats who hated Sonic having a mature story: HOW CAN YOU CREATE A STORY WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT AND THERE IS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?!!!!
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One of SEGA's mandates said "Sonic always has to win" which angered me more than any other mandate. This is the main reason why other characters barely receive any spotlight and have some character development. I mean, do you really want Sonic to turn into an omnipotent god who can beat anyone regardless of how powerful the monster is? The heroes always win yes but they only win at the end but even then they have to face problems in their way and sometimes they even have to pay something in exchange for their achievements. Even most omnipotent gods I've seen so far have a reason to become vastly powerful yet Sonic is an almighty god for no reason just because he is awesome and cool. It doesn't make sense to me at all.
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I absolutely bleeping HATE that mandate, the one that claims that Sonic always has to win. I know he's the main character, but it makes Sonic unrelatable, it makes him nothing more than a perfect Gary Stu that has no flaws and is perfect. That's my problem with the mandates, they force Sonic to be this perfect being that has virtually no earthly attatchments (no family, no girlfriend, no home) and is essentially a god in every single way, and I want to follow a story about an actual CHARACTER rather than a perfect being.
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Exactly. He is just used as a symbol of hope rather than a character with both strengths and flaws. The creators don't realize that a character has both strengths and flaws that balance each other out which Sonic isn't. A good story has conflict with flawed characters. There is literally no story if there is no conflict. Sonic winning everytime is not a story because he does not face any obstacles nor suffer consequences for his actions.
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I really hate that rule I mean seriously? Have sonic lose every now and then! It will cause him to tone down his snarkyness and more importantly not make Eggman look like a joke of a villain. God Sega you do not know how the fuck to handle this franchise.Β
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Well I know Sonic is the main character, but this is one of my LEAST favorite mandates, along with the ones about Sonic being forbidden to cry or have family members or have a girlfriend. They basically want him to be this perfect being that has no earthly attachments and is basically a god, and I don't want to follow a story about a character that's perfect.
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In all honest this claim is just blown out of proportion the mayoralty of Sega's mandates are more than justified the Main purpose of the Comics is after all to promote the Games so having the Comics be nothing like the games is just pur lunacy.
And things like NO Romantic Love interest and relationships or no other relatives (because really I can barley even Imaging how many mails Sega Β get asking were comic explosive mother/Father/brother from the motherly side is in the games) are really justified in my opinion.
Also what company doesn't give strick mandates to out-Licence products the amount of freedom Archie use to Β have because SoA not caring was just ridicules especially when compered to most other big name Franchises.
Also when Forces end as a flop than is the only thing this will cause give Sega the Impression that even the slightest hint of Darkness and actual story hurt the sales even with Classic sonic and will make the next game just Sonic Colors 2 the Return of the LightheartedΒ
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My claim is not blown out of proportion, it's pretty accurate, but I guess sega fans like you are too damn dumb to understand what story developing and telling is.
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No I am just realist enough to know that what Sega does nowadays is still under that what most writers at DC and Marvel (and really even Archie it self) have to deal with from the Sides of the Editors.
You are just spoiled from SoA's and earlier Archie Β Editors letting the writers get away with every thing in fact did Penders leave because he couldn't deal with a new editor that behaved in his demands more like most editors in the business so its clear that he never had to face any kind of bigger opposition prior.
And this just shows how much freedom Archie sonic's writers use to have when compared to most Comic companies (especially the ones that work on licence material)
But do you know what Sega is even rather nice in there demante there still will on request allow sonic to lose (Issue 175 as example) there allow Eggman to actually win at time, there allowed the usage of the Black armes and even to create a brother like Character to shadow as a new villain. This is a lot more than many other let them do Hell at the start of the new 252 was there a huge focus on Amy because Ian had to fight with an editor that was a Amy fan and wanted her in EVERYTHING this is lot worse than any of Sega's demands that even allow a side comic with little to no sonic to exist.
So I don't see where your issue with with Sega insuring that there the Character stay in character.
But one more thing That you directly call me dumb for disagreeing with you doesn't really present you and a good light you know.
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Not so much you but your thought process.
Eggman winning is a bad thing? Funny because maybe sonic should be the one to lose every now and then, it would make his stories less predictable.
And I don't blame penders for leaving. Sega needs to stop being god damn push overs. The fans clearly don't know what's best, they just want to see the same shit over and over again, and then sega had to give forces an OC thing.
Yeah let's not use the character we already have...
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To what are you even revering in the first sentence?
I didn't say Eggman winning is a bad I said Sega allowing Eggman to win in the comics as and example that shows that there are a lot less strick as must other Editors and not half as bad as you say.
Also Superman had from DC higher ups a no lose rule for 10 years strait and the writers still managed to create quality stories and as I said will Sega on request for big events even allow Sonic to lose like in the Big battle in Issue 175.
Funny thing is the Mandates that make Penders leaved weren't from Sega it was from an Archie Editor that forced Shadow into Mobius 25 years latter. And as I said the editor that Ian had to deal with at the start of the reboot universe was much worse than Sega with her forcing Amy in literally every thing killing of Team dark in worlds unite for no good reasons and some other questionable decisions.
And it is about Sega's decisions in the comics not the games so what has the OC maker in Forces to do with this.
Except of cause when you revering to my comment about forces from my first comment on this meme in which case you still didn't give any reason how Forces flopping would send Sega the signal more characters and story instead of more than just sonic and super Mario world is flopping fast retread back to colors.
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It should put sega in a tight position. Forces failing will make sega scared, there losing money and probably going to go bankrupt, they'll want to use all there resources or here back from the fans.
And Ian needed to push back against that editor. I'm tired of idiots saying he shouldn't cause 'he'll lose his job", well good! If his fan base is that loyal Archie wouldn't fucking dare fire him
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AS I said when you push Sega into a tight position are there just going to be so scared that there just going to make Sonic Colors 2 because this is what would be considered save.
Alternative would also a soulless Sonic Adventure 3 just to cash in on the name be an option that I can just see current afraid of everything Sega do.
And here is the thing you can't as a writer especially as a freelancer like Ian fight against an Editor because the job looks like this to him He makes a script and sends it to Arche Archie than let there editors look over it and say it it can go or need changes and than also sent a copy to Sega so that there can look if there have any issues with it.
So when you now have to deal with an insane editor will he just reject your scrip over and over again until you changed it to his demands and because he just just a freelancer can't he just go to the editors chef and tell him about this and so has he ether to not write fortehr and get replaced (something that can create issues with paying his bills and being replaced as a writer being reversed super fast is something rarely happens and I am not sure if Archie comes even cares all that much for the Sonic comic anyway) or has to change to script according to the editors demands.Β
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Sega honestly needs that then, I'm sorry but in my mind I'm tired of their bs. Sega put themselves in this position by being the way they have been for years now. Like someone else commented, if Forces came out years ago it would have been more welcomed
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But as I said when the first game that tries to go back in a more serious direction fails will Sega directly go back to colors and this would mean that any change of them go back to sonic's more adventures years will disappear in nothingness.
Forces failing will do nothing but make Sega so scarred of new and serious thing that we will directly reset back to Colors and have to wait at least another 7 years before Sega tries again when Sonic will even last this long.
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Then all's I can say is if that happens, boycott Sonic until they'll listen...they gotta get the message somehow...
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I highly daub this works the best thing one can do I buy forces and use every opportunity to make it clear that this is the right way and now we only have to get rid of classic sonic and give his spot light back to the other characters because no matter what you will do Mania is going to sale thanks to the Classic and retro 2d fans so when forces fails while mania successes what do you thing is going to happen.
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personally I LOVE the idea of what Sonic Forces is doing but SEGA waited too late this game should have came out 7 years ago before alot of the BS happened over the span of time that passed and maybe people would have been more welcoming.
but thats SEGA motto at this point, Always too late Β
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The real sad things is than the fans loos a good universe for the bad desicions of Sega
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I know, it still burns me up inside. Again, does sega not want their character to become something? They go around talking about how they want sonic to become a media icon yet there doing this bs. Granted it was before this statement but still, the least they could do now is give us a more serious show with the SATAM/Archie characters
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they basically just want Sonic to be generic mascot like mickey mouse instead of a character, heck Disney is now letting Mickey be a character again with stuff like Epic Mickey and those shorts they've been airing. They also for some reason seem to not like the Western canon and we're just lucky the comic is keeping the freedom fighters.
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It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case, Sega apparently doesn't want Sonic to be anything anymore, which I think is disappointing and BS.Β
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my guess for why is that they are scared of repeating anything like 06 again.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but hoping for the 25th anniversary game to bomb can backfire badly as it'll make Sonic an even bigger joke, especially if Odyssey becomes a hit. I'd rather the game get harsh constructive reviews from critics and fans so that Sega can realise their mistakes and try to fix them.
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True, but at the same time I feel as though we need some sort of thing to happen to make Sega wake up and realize they could and should be doing better, cause it's clear that there not doing all of that, and the Sonic creator basically let the one interviewer step all over him.Β
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No offense but you're JUST NOW learning this. I've known this for a while every since this whole Classic nostalgia thing started and how Sonic has become more of a safe series distancing itself more and more away from a grander story and canon. They've probably wanted the comics to fit that vision nuking it's own image to make it mesh more with the games.Β
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No, I've known about it for a while, but I just made a rant on it yesterday
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oh ok my mistake
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It's fine. TBH I wished I talked about them sooner. I don't care how big of a mess the lawsuits where, like you and others said everyone had a hand in making them worse and Archie or Sega being a coward and making these stupid mandates didn't do jack to help.Β
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Yeah and that's the thing EVERYBODY had a part in fucking over the comics and Sega only added fuel to the fire with the mandates. They didn't care about actually fixing things but only enforcing their own rules.
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