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I'm doing my own thing.
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Alright then, thanks for the answer.Β
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Do you plan on updating this, like making his second alternate costume vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/dβ¦Β his true form?
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I don't know what I'm doing until they stop giving them new things. He'll almost certainly be getting a new outfit in March for God Mission too.
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Aye aye aye, when will theyΒ ever stop? Don't get me wrong, I love Dragon Ball, but can't they just stick to one avatar design and just two alternate costumesΒ and leave it be?
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That works from out perspective, but not the company's. They need to keep updating to retain the players' interest so that so they can make a profit.
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yeah, I guess that's just howΒ it works.
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Beat will eventually be done, but not on an individual sheet like this.Β People kept stealing them and cutting them up so that they didn't have my watermarks, so I've stopped doing them.
Anything new is pretty much exclusively done as a sheet devoted specific arcs of my project, like this one for Episode of Bardock:Β DBR - Legend of the Super Saiyan Arc (Part 4)
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How tall would you say Beat is?
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All the Heroes characters are roughly the same height.
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I saw him in a game but didn't know much else about him hmm would be cool to see him and Kuriza in one of the battle of gods movies
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Are you planning to do sheets for all 15 avatars with their alternate looks eventually? 
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Was. Won't. [link]
I don't really care how the alternate "clothing" works for the Freeza clan. I'm just treating them like different transformations. No reason to complicate things. Their "true forms", or at least his, is already on the sheet. Not everyone has to look like Freeza's final form to be in their real body, Chilled (and Coola, sort of) proved that.
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Yeah, I saw that, hence the 'eventually'. Its very unfortunate :/ For the past 9 months I've found myself in the exact opposite situation: a fully functional, brand new bamboo fun, but no computer to work with. So I feel your pain there, haven't been able to do anything in a long time. And I see what you mean, but I figured the forms would follow the same basics. Form one is this, Freeza as we first see him, Chilled and Kuriza. Lots of differences, but short stature and possibly points or horns. Form two, that form but grown larger. Form three, slightly larger with more growths. Form four, or true form, is around the same height as the first, horns and growths dissapeared, a few different body types, but smoother and sleeker. So this would be his first form, as was Chilled when he appeared. Again, this is how I see his forms, i'm explaining how I understand it. I am not saying you are wrong or anything, I know you've had problems with that so just making it clear, just saying my understanding of it.
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The issue with that line of thinking comes down to Freeza's true form, the one he was born in, being his "fourth" form. If characters like Chilled and Cold were actually in some lower transformation instead of already being in their true forms, why didn't they transform instead of getting themselves killed? Especially in Chilled's case, because he wasn't in Colds position (seeing his son, who is stronger than him, killed before his eyes), so he should have tried whatever he could to kill Bardock, absolute full power. The best answer is that he had nothing else to transform into...
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I see what you mean, but the same can be asked of Freeza. Also, this was written as a short story, and not by Toriyama himself (not that he would remember enough to make it how he originally intended, as he forgets characters even years ago, asi know you know, just saying) So the whole validity of the special is off. With the whole OMG BADDACK/BARDOCK IS IN THE PAST AND GOES SUPER SAIYAN thing, and being a short special, it just wasn't enough to fit in a whole transformation and new fight. Chilled was made to be desperate in the end and tried to end it without transforming, because they were out of room, is how it seems to me. Just because he should have doesn't mean he couldn't, the series does have other moments where logic is thrown out the window and people do stupid things. Though all of this is conjecture, unless DBH uveils transformations for any of the avatars or for Chilled, we will never really know. I have no problem with your interpretation, don't get me wrong. I just see it differently.
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What can be asked of Freeza? He transformed back to his true form when required, I don't see the issue.
See, you're assuming things here that we'll never get clarification on and placing the different works in levels of canon, which I don't do. You say the validity of the special is off, but even Toriyama's manga itself has very similar problems, but no one questions the validity of the different arc to each other in the original.
Ooishi's original version of the manga was designed to be 3 chapters, with the entire plot planned out in advance since it wasn't running series I'm sure. No one should assume that an extra transformation couldn't be added because there wasn't enough space, it's more logical that they didn't intend for there to be an extra transformation so that was the length they decided the story could be condensed down to. If they wanted to make Chilled transform, they could have. Even if they didn't want a whole new chapter, instead of him having throw his tantrum when Bardock chucked him into the air right before the final beam struggle, all he had to do was angrily transform real quick and chuck his ultimate attack down at the Saiyan. Could have even fit in the same amount of panels.
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All very true. In the context of it being canon, I still take it as either they didn't want to work it into the story, or as an in universe answer, he threw a tantrum, didn't think rationally and got killed for it, when he could have easily transformed. (Or not so easily, if it takes as long as Freeza did) I see your points, and I give you that its possible its his final form, as there's nothing to definitively say either way, just comes to a difference of opinions that can never be settled. Oh well. One last thing though. You originally included Chilled in that group picture, rattled tyrants I believe, of Freeza's family all in their first forms. Did you think differently then, so you included him with all the other first forms? Or did you just want to throw him in there and put all the others in because their forms were stylistically similar, save for coola? Just curious.
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Yeah, I just added in the forms that were similar in style. It has no bearing on what I thought about their transformations, because if that was revealed to be Chilled's 4th form and his 1st form has a huge ugly abomination, I'd still have used the same one that's on there. lol
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Lol yeah, that makes sense then. We'll probably never know anyway, he was there for one special and I doubt they'd ever tack on anything extra to the character. In your vision then, what would his first form look like (chilled)?
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I dunno. I believe that they all have the ability to alter the appearance of their lower forms at will when they first create them. Freeza's second form looks like the form we see Cold in out of respect for the only form he's ever seen his dad in. Kurieza does the same when he creates his lower transformation in the image of his dad's "first" form. So, honestly, he'd look like whatever I felt like designing.
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That makes sense, though what about the dramatic size increases? Will all their foms be similar size differences, or could one have a first form looking like Freeza's third and a second like his first?
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Yes, they can change whatever traits they want. They HAVE lower their power when they create a new form, but not by a set amount. So they can use the ability for more than just power restriction. They can alter their appearance to look more attractive, to appear more intimidating, to deceive their enemies,etc. All of this is within reason of course. Freeza's never going to be able to morph his body to look like Goku or Buu. lol
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As interesting as that would be xD Imagine Freeza with Head armor and spikes vaguely shaped like goku's hair with armour resembling his gi. Now, is there a limit to the number of forms? Or the sie change? Could we have Freeza the size of an action figure or a form the size of an Oozaru?
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I haven't decided. I don't plan on having any characters with more forms than Freeza though, so it's not really an issue I'm worried about delving into. As for size, I'd say its dependent on the size of their true body. Even as a child though, I'd limit them to nothing smaller than Kurieza (besides smaller bodies while babies and stuff), and I'd max them out somewhere around Cold, maybe a little taller. No toy sized Freeza or skyscraper sized Freeza.
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Ah I see, that makes sense. As funny as that would be, it'd be a bit crazy to have toy Freezas running around. Now, would They be restricted to keeping their body type (ie bipedal humanoids) or could they have a more beastly transformation and be quadropedal, or change a part of their anatomy in some way? That wouldn't make much sense, much like the massive size differences, but figure I'll ask lol.
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Unless some game reveals a member of their race with a tail and no legs or something, I'm sticking to the general humanoid shape. They don't have to remain "true" bipedals if they alter their bodies enough though. Similar to Freeza's Alien form, they can shift to a "quadruped"-like stance, similar to a gorilla, to deal with increased weight or varying limb length, but they won't take on an actual dog-like body shape or anything.
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Okay, I figured that'd be the case, that makes sense. It'd be interesting to see one of them take on a transformation based on an oozaru (though not in size obviously).
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I think 3rd form Freeza is a pretty decent example of that already in a lot of artwork. Hunch over any further and he'd be dragging his arms like old cavemen art...
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Funny thing is, with the right tactics, even late DBZ era heroes could be kept preoccupied, allowing an army to attack with impunity. Still, love the plot you gave him.
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I'm not sure about that... I don't have him stronger than Freeza or anything. So even if he existed at that time and attacked at the end of Z, he'd probably get flattened without any effort so long as there was a Saiyan around...the Earthlings are a different story of course.
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Have a planet killing minion who can breath in space send PK attacks towards the planet from high orbit, tying up at least one super saiyan per attack, then use minions while the guys pre-occupied.
It all depends on how many people on his side he has that can destroy planets. Also, a reserve would have to be held.
Additionally, once the good guys are sufficiently incensed, use a FTL ship to lure them to another planet, leave your ship to land on the planet.
Then wait for them to arrive, then destroy the pursuers ship and flee towards your own ship in orbit, preferably with another PK guy to provide an additional diversion.
This should leave the most powerful opponents stranded (barring instant transmission) leaving earth relatively undefended against said reserve forces.
Granted, this plan depends on having up to date intel about how many super saiyans/Nameks/Majin there are and falls apart if any possess teleportation techniques.
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That requires a lot of things working out perfectly with their complex plan, which really isn't all that likely at the end of Z (which is the timeframe you picked). I honestly doubt anything would go their way, at all. lol
As you said, Goku having Shunkan-ido screws up every stage of the plan. Vegeta could finish the fight before it starts by sensing the evil ki approaching the planet, and then launching a Final Flash at their asses in space so that they don't ruin his breakfast. Or, instead of their planet destroyer tying up a lot of characters by forcing them to defend the Earth from pot shot energy blasts, Buu could just split into a hundred mini-Buus and solve the entire crisis while eating an ice cream. Gotenks could create a whole army or Kamikaze Ghosts to wipe out EVERYTHING defying them. The list goes on, and this is all before they are lured off the planet. lol
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Most of your points can be countered, however, simply by the matter of timing.
The planet sharking group attack would always have to be timed for after goku and vegetas departure together, thus neutralising the first two points.
Gotenks is limited by the amount of time and his ghost kamikaze attack has glaring weaknesses.
Another point is the assumption that the attack would involve the deployment of hundreds if not thousands of PL:2K grunts in the first assault alone.
Buu, as you noted, is, of course, the true fly in the ointment for the Planet Sharking Group... and this is as it should be. Personally, it should be Buus time to shine.
Still, the plan isn't all that complex, since it fits into a four phase strategy (Phase 1: Recon, Phase 2: First invasion, Phase 3: Diversion, Phase 4: Main invasion in force) with a required failure at stage four due to Mr Buu, the Kikoukenjutsu school and the rest of the cast.
It might be complex for shonen anime, but not compare to many others.
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Hey, you're the one who botched up your own argument. lol I was questioning the entire scenario based off your statement, ie. "even late DBZ era heroes could be kept preoccupied", that has nothing to do with post-GT stuff. I don't doubt that strategy could be used to gain against DBO characters...except for the fact that they still have a Super Saiyan 3 Trunks and ~250 year old badass Piccolo. lol
DBZ only accounts for the events up till Goku leaving with Uub, so Goku and Vegeta would still have been on the planet. Points are back on the table. lol
Gotenks may have a time limit, but how likely are they to know that, even with recon? The chances of them witnessing Gotenks' birth would be tiny. And if they don't know about him, they don't know about the ghosts. Even if they did, what sort of plan could they really make to counter him? They sure as hell shouldn't stick around, and they can't run away; he'd be faster then they could ever hope to be. They can't just try to shoot down his ghosts, as they have enough power to damage Buu, so I'm sure they can outmaneuver a 2k grunt.
I think you severely underestimate the power difference in this timeframe. Raditz was moving faster and outclassing Goku and Piccolo very badly with a power roughly x3 their own. Now imagine how fast those grunts would die when they are fighting characters at least x1,200,000 stronger than them. It's very probable that Goku could take the time to fire a single blast at every individual grunt and still kill them all before they managed to fire off an attack of their own. lol Even if that would be pushing it, Vegeta's proficient enough at rapid fire and explosive ki attacks, taking out large numbers quickly would be more than a snap.
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All causes for ultimate victory for the earthlings. Which is expected. Bear in mind the planet sharking org did attack the year after both Goku and Vegeta left (DBO timeline) so it would only be Gohan.
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They attacked after Mr. Satan died (AGE 820), not when the Saiyans left (AGE 801). It wouldn't only be Gohan by that point though. for the project they'd still have to contend with Ultimate Gohan, SS3 Trunks and SS3 Goten ala Gotenks, SS Pan, SS Bra, Uub, 18, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and any kids I may give them by that point. The DBO timeline says that the invasion force is able to wreak havoc because they are resistant to ki, but that doesn't really make sense, as they say Goten and Trunks are able to beat them back by infusing a sword with ki...which shouldn't be effective. xD
None of this is really relevant for this guy though, as he doesn't come around until AGE 1000 anyway.
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Fair enough, it's your universe.
However, in the original DBO timeline Goku and Vegeta did depart years (801) before Mr Satan died (820). Just pointing it out.
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I'm aware of that, I did just list the years after all.
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You put 802. Mistyping? Happens.
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I think you need to look again, I didn't typo any of the years. You misread it. lol
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True, but personally I wasn't aiming for the end of the era, but the post GT era.
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Nice! Out of all of them, this is the best in my opinion. Although you mixed up their tail's....
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I didn't mix up anything, I switched them on purpose. Just fit better in my opinion.
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Do you do request's? I would like to see your version of a "Cell Avatar" if Dragon Ball Heores made one?
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Nah, I'm not doing more work than I already have to do. lol Dragon Ball Online is already getting ready to start using Cell's design for basic enemies, so if they are pretty different from the original, I'm eventually going to have to adapt those...
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Question! will the preeteen Raiokutains learn how to get a more drastic true form like Frieza and his Family, or learn about the 5th form?
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I'd like to treat DBO as a resetting point for all the craziness the rest of the franchise gave us. Try to go back to the early DB style where characters didn't need to escalate things with a dozen transformations bouncing back and forth to keep things interesting. So unless they get another redesign in Heroes, I'm not giving them any extra transformations...
BTW, their true form is their true form, the one they were born in, it won't change unless the age.
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