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Published: 2012-09-26 23:39:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 179154; Favourites: 989; Downloads: 0
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Notes:So, to start things off with this interpretation of the chart, most of the description is no longer on the deviation itself. The unfortunate truth is that this page became way, way too long because the DB franchise never stops adding transformations. There will inevitably be more Saiyan transformations on the horizon, too. They drive merchandise sales.
Anyway, you can now find all the information in this Google Doc: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
As always, there's no need to ask about whether I will be including a form or why I haven't added any potential new transformations to the chart. This document will likely be kept up to date with at least acknowledging new forms as they're revealed. However, I will still be waiting for them to fully debut in the their respective media (anime, manga, games, whatever) before deciding what I'm doing with them in regards to the project.
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The series of submissions labeled under the title of DB Redux are part of a fan rewrite of the official series. Anything that you see in the art or description that varies from the original manga or anime sources is most likely intentional. While I appreciate that you are taking the time to look at my gallery and notice these differences, I do not require a comment on what needs "correcting" because it wasn't "originally like that".
However, if you'd like to discuss these changes, or the project in general, you're welcome to join my DB Redux Discord server for the community members, an early look at finished & WIP character art and links to full battle power lists.
Thank you, and please enjoy!
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Yeah, that'll do it sometimes. ever since my monitor went out, I've been using my 47 inch TV as a computer screen instead...
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So is there a visual difference between Super Saiyans 1-3 and their "God" counterparts, or is the aura the only thing that's different?
Also, I looked at the power multipliers you linked to, and oddly enough I thought they worked like that too, though I don't understand how powerful the Legendary Super Saiyan God form is suppose to be, is it somewhere between 3,000 and 100,000?
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the-devils-corpse.deviantart.c... ;D
It's whatever I need it to be later, when I decide how strong Birus will be in my project and I need to make Goku ~70% of his power.
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For the project, yeah.
Most of it is still true for the real franchise though.
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Assuming you aren't blind, it's exactly what it looks like.
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Base Form
False Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan 4 (Non-canon, but it's still considered as a form)
Super Saiyan God
Oozaru
Golden Ape
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Yeah.. but 12 of those forms are completely wrong
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No, you should really read descriptions before you go opening your mouth. Explanations are already provided.
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I read the description... it's not a very good reason. There is only one Goku.. doesn't really matter if you agree with it or not.
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WTF are you talking about?
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You fucked up the pic.
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Nope, not even a little bit. You're just being to narrow-minded to properly understand the concepts.
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lol yeah.. okay kid
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Not the one who popped up here acting like an annoying lil' shit. If you're 23, act like it and show a little civility, it'll go a long way.
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Lol. At least I'm smart enough to make a picture that fucking makes sense. Super Saiyan Goku God Base? Really?
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Then how about you use that so called brain of yours to understand this; if you're bitching about the transformation chart's Battle of Gods interpretations involving Super Saiyan God, then I assume you know that he gains the ability to use the forms power even when the transformation isn't active. Handling it the way I've expressed in the sheet is more logical than "herp derp, I'm Goku and I can do whatever the fuck I want" IMO.
You don't have to like my choice of interpretation, but you don't have to act like such a huge prick while expressing that either. So either accept/drop it and move on, try to grow up and have a civil conversation or keep acting like a prick and proceed to ride yourself away from this conversation, because I'm done with it until you can come back and act like a mature adult. 'kay?
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Have you figured out some of the power multipliers yet? I know that SSJ 1 is 50 times base power, SSJ2 is twice that, SSJ 3 is four times that, Oozaru is 10 times base power, and SSJ4/Hitozaru is at least 500 times base power but I know it has to be more than that. What are the multipliers for the graded forms and the god forms.
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I dunno, these: [link] ?
Not really sure until I'm able to crank the numbers for those arcs when I get there. Kinda impossible to say that Hitōzaru will make someone 1000 times stronger when I don't know what Goku and Vegeta's powers will be at that time in the version I'm writing, how Bebi will actually effect Vegeta's number and what multiplier would be most appropriate to close the gap. Tis' a pain really, all I can do right now is speculate. xD
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Quick question, would it be possible to actually master False SSJ?
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Another question, if Hitozaru is the result of mastering SSJ and Oozaru at the same time, than what would be the result of mastering SSJ 2 or SSJ 3 and Oozaru at the same time?
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Nothing. To me, the subsequent transformations forcibly try to access more power and end up taking it from their Ōzaru form (but they can't manage to access all of it) when the form isn't activated. That's why the last one's features include hair growth, the losing of the eyebrows, the bulging of the brow ridges, a multiplier just shy of the x500 you'd get combining SS with Ōzaru, etc. It also helps to explain why the form drains so much ki--since they are basically forcing the energy to unnaturally reroute itself from a form that isn't/can't be activated, and why the transformation becomes a bit more stable for Goku once he regains his tail in GT too.
So in the end, Super Saiyan 3 kinda seems like its whole point is to say that you can't go any further on this path, they are a dead end from here on out and you need to take a different path to gain more power. Its power can't be accessed as an Ōzaru because it basically is the Super Ōzaru, or what you get in humanoid form without a tail and/or a moon anyway. Super Saiyan 4 is what happens when you do it right and go ape first, yielding a greater result in the process.
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So no Hitozaru 2 or Hitozaru 3? But then that means that normal super saiyan state is supposed to be the limit for the linear transformations, and anything beyond that is a result of drawing power from the Oozaru form? That's a really good theory! But if that is true, what would happen if SSJ 2 and SSJ 3 drew their strength from an external source other than the Oozaru state? That would more than likely reduce their ki consumption by a great amount and change the look of the forms in general. If continued drawing from the Oozaru state without actually activating it was possible then any subsequent linear transformations beyond SSJ 3 would continue to look more Oozaru-like.
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No, no further Hitōzaru stages.
I don't think they can use an external energy source anyway. The only reason they can tap into the Ōzaru power is because it is actually part of their own natural energy, they just can't normally access it. The Ōzaru was originally the Saiyan's primal form before evolution occurred, so all the previous members were generally stronger than the current generation (excluding the set of supers on Earth of course). The Saiyans started to get weaker as they became more humanoid, but their tail allows them to regain that power on the night of a full moon.
In my project, the set of genes that mutated to allow for Super Saiyan to exist continued to mutate and allow Ōzaru and Super Saiyan to be combined into Hitōzaru/Super Saiyan 4. The leeching of the Ōzaru's power into the Super Saiyan form, and the subsequent new transformations, are a side-effect of trying to genetically allow the forms to merge into the new transformation; instead of just being a Ōzaru, a Super Saiyan, or a Super Ōzaru (Super Saiyan while Ōzaru, obviously), the potential for Hitōzaru allows "improper" combinations when you don't follow the steps correctly...per say.
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But I thought it was the blutz waves that gave the Oozaru form its power? Technically speaking that does count as an external source.
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No; Bruits Waves are a natural disturbance that propagates through space and time and contain an energy source called "zeno", a form of green spectrum radiation. These waves are emitted by large celestial bodies, such as a moon, after reflecting sunlight. Higher amounts of zeno are emitted from the planetary bodies when they appear full in the sky. When a Saiyan absorbs at least 17,000,000 zeno from a full planetary body through their eyes, a reaction occurs in a gland found in their tail that causes the Saiyan to transform into their ruthless Ōzaru form. Bruits Waves can be artificially created by elite Saiyans through the use of the Power Ball technique.
Nothing is ever said about them powering the form, just triggering it...except that brief stint in GT where Bluma uses them to super charge Bebi's Ōzaru state, but GT has bigger issues than worrying about that.
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GT is still lightyears better than Evolution though...
By the way, how would you rate Bleach characters on the DBZ power scale.
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I like GT, but I'm not going to deny the fact that it has problems.
Haven't seen one destroy a moon yet...Roshi destroyed a moon back in the beginning of Dragon Ball.
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Fine then... What about Darkseid or Superman?
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Death Battle already did Superman, and Darkseid is usually one of his equals.
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So...Broly Legendary form is SSJ 1 GRADE 3 or SSJ2 GRADE 3???
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It's now Super Saiyan grade 3.
Thanks to his SS3 form being buffed up in the games though, he'll get grade 3 versions of SS2 and SS3 eventually. It's an old, now inaccurate sheet, but it works to show off the example: [link]
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Let me see if I understand this correctly: The other God forms aside from the "Legendary" one are the result of undergoing severe training to be able to draw power from the Legendary Super Saiyan form and apply it to the compatible forms, except they're not actually transforming into the "Legendary" state right? One more thing, is Divine Ki entirely separate from normal Ki and the Saiyan has access to both (if they haven't been revoked of their Divine Status), or does it somehow override one's ki once they ascend to a higher plane? I'm guessing that Goku probably ascended after Cell pulled a "taking you with me" on the planet and Goku died as a result.
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I'm going to jump ahead and address the ki issue first; Divine Ki and Standard Ki are different things with different properties and one cannot have both types of ki at the same time. Actually, if I want to get technical, Divine Ki will actually just be a set of traits that is applied to a beings own, natural ki once they are granted a godly position. For example, here are the currently decided traits:
Next, no. You can't get Divine Ki just by dying or anything. Goku will actually be given a position as a god by Kaioshin, or someone...Birus himself? Whis? I dunno. Haven't decided. It's not much more than just briefly giving him a title so he can get the ki and transform into the Legendary God Birus wants to fight, before the cat starts blowing shit up out of frustration.
The non-Legendary God forms are pseudo transformations...actually, they are really just a single, super hard to unlock transformation for the base form that taps into a small portion of the Legendary God's power, but the other forms can be stacked onto it via training. They aren't meant for that though. After he accessed the Legendary God form, he'll still feel like that power is somewhere inside him, even after he gets his position as a god revoked. It'll take him a decent chunk of time, but eventually he'll figure out how to access a small fraction of that power on his own via the regular God form. That's what he's going to do with most of his time he spends in space on the ship during the GT portion of the project (if you want something to help you think of how hard this mental/spiritual training is, I guess you can consider it like a SUPER complex 3D ball maze...that'll do as a metaphor I guess: [link] ). Once he unlocks the base god, he'll have to figure out how to "thread" that power into the next transformation state so that he can utilize the multipliers with the artificially obtained Divine Ki by completing another "maze". Monkey-man up there is the hardest of course, because it's technically a combined form, which means it's more complicated.
...I think that covers things. xD
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I didn't actually mean that just because he died he got the Divine Ki. I meant that North Kaio most likely gave him a position in godhood after Cell killed him XD. Plus, I understood that Divine Ki could only be sensed by others with it.
The 3D Ball Maze is very much the basis of how you gain access to some of the forms in my project (ie, complete mastery over SSJ2 & SSJ3, unlocking SSZ1 & SSZ2, etc). I wouldn't want the forms to be unlocked easily.
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Whilst I've watched pretty much every episode, movie, special etc of dbz there is except for the most recent one, Battle of the Gods, I'm quite confused by this picture
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There shouldn't be anything to confuse you so long as you read the accompanying notes in the description.
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Okay I see what you mean now but still, some of this stuff never happened, like okay there were different grades of ssj1, that's very obvious, but as far as I remember there was only 1 ssj3 form, no additional variations in muscle mass, anyways not here to argue
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I know. That's why the description is there. It clearly says that this is for a fan project, and for that example specifically, I added grades to the later forms because of him and how I erased his "Legendary" form: [link]
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Once again, you have blown my mind with this transformation chart and your "professional" explanation of each form/state. Keep up the good work!
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I'd have felt better about this chart if I could have found a way to get the God forms lined up with the originals without somehow messing up my Hitōzaru square. Alas, I'm stuck with them being off on their own. Oh well. lol
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Are "God Forms"like Full-powered Versions of the "Normal"ones?'Cause thta's what we see in the pic......And what's the difference between "Regular God Forms"with the "Legendary"one?And SSj4G is............
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You know, most the answers are in the description...but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because I typed that up real quick and I'm not sure I explained it very well...
No, they're just the Super Saiyan and Hitōzaru forms augmented with extra power from the partial God state; not much different than the Super Ōzaru being Ōzaru combined with Super Saiyan.
The partial God forms don't have access to all the power that the Legendary God form has.
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