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Published: 2012-09-26 23:39:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 179151; Favourites: 989; Downloads: 0
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Notes:So, to start things off with this interpretation of the chart, most of the description is no longer on the deviation itself. The unfortunate truth is that this page became way, way too long because the DB franchise never stops adding transformations. There will inevitably be more Saiyan transformations on the horizon, too. They drive merchandise sales.
Anyway, you can now find all the information in this Google Doc: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
As always, there's no need to ask about whether I will be including a form or why I haven't added any potential new transformations to the chart. This document will likely be kept up to date with at least acknowledging new forms as they're revealed. However, I will still be waiting for them to fully debut in the their respective media (anime, manga, games, whatever) before deciding what I'm doing with them in regards to the project.
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The series of submissions labeled under the title of DB Redux are part of a fan rewrite of the official series. Anything that you see in the art or description that varies from the original manga or anime sources is most likely intentional. While I appreciate that you are taking the time to look at my gallery and notice these differences, I do not require a comment on what needs "correcting" because it wasn't "originally like that".
However, if you'd like to discuss these changes, or the project in general, you're welcome to join my DB Redux Discord server for the community members, an early look at finished & WIP character art and links to full battle power lists.
Thank you, and please enjoy!
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Well, that would depend entirely on what I settle on as my multipliers for those forms.
Anyway, I should have been clearer. As things currently stand with the transformation (before I decide if I need to revise the chart), the intention is to stack the multipliers. It's still the pseudo God mode multiplier from before though, not the fully active SSG (his hair would be fully magenta if it were). Before the partial God forms were to try and make sense of Goku keeping the power in Battle of Gods, but I've just decided to say the hell with that. Now it's just Hitozaru nature of being able to combine traits of the user's transformations, which can include God. But the God form is it's own special, divine thing and so the full transformation can't be used in conjunction with anything else. It gets diluted, so to speak, by doing so.
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So Hitōzaru God will still be weaker than Super Saiyan God?
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Si. As things stand (future franchise content excluded for this statement), Super Saiyan God is in a league all its own. It ruly is a divine state of being and functions on a different type of ki, etc. None of the other forms can even hope to stand up to it. Not even Hitozaru while drawing on its divine power (and there will be some risks in using it that way).
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Also, what was the pseudo God mode multiplier again?
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Tiny, like x2 or maybe 3? I don't remember. It can't even say if it will be the same because the concepts behind them are a bit different this time around.
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Then why were you referring to that form as Legendary Hitōzaru God; the name kind of makes it sound like it's stronger than Legendary Super Saiyan God, what with Hitōzaru > Super Saiyan.
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Basically just an attempt to stay consistent with naming schemes, but like I said, the whole chart is out of date these days. It needs to be reworked, especially because of Broli. Super Saiyan God may end up being completely revised the same way Super Saiyan 4 was, because it's not a branch of the golden haired transformation either. And unlike SS4, you don't even need the form to reach the God stage in the original franchise (not even mentioning the change to achieving it in my project).
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Your guess is as good as mine. All I did was take out the hybrid god forms for the time being and then reorganize the chart to make sense after that. I haven't actually addressed anything else about the situation though. Especially not with another movie on the way and having no idea what it's really about or if this form will play a part in it. If it looks like Super Saiyan God isn't going to be used anymore, then I guess I'll start thinking about how I want to handle it now. xD
It's nothing. Officially just Goku going Super Saiyan, but they decided they wanted to have Goku hide the form from Paikuhan till the tournament at the last
minute. So the animators digitally recolored the hair to black because they didn't have time to reanimate it. Thus it's now just "poorly" animated base Goku.
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Well actually, about that last thing, Dragon Ball Heroes actually has an ability for several base Goku cards named Super Saiyan power, which makes it so that if Goku transforms on the second turn after an attack, power is +2000 (or +5000 if it is greatly successful). One of the cards for this actually has Goku in the same state he used against the Ginyu Force, spiky black hair that's styled like his SSJ hairdo and everything.
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Yes, i know. Even though it basically goes along with the series (which is nice), what the game does is still pretty much irrelevant to anything else. I'm not going to base my interpretation of any events off of what they do with a card game (especially not art that has no impact on anything and is just to make the card desirablem as wekk as an ability that basically all Saiyans that have more than one form are given access to). I'm going to base it off of much more important information. This time they basically just happen to overlap.
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Technically speaking, it's for a video game that uses cards, though I get what you're saying. You should have seen what the actual trading card game did with the Super Kaio-ken; they basically made it so that you could use it with every single one of Goku's forms, which in the game were SSJ, ASSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, Golden Ōzaru, and SSJ4. Though the thought of a giant, glowing red baboon flying at you at Mach 80 while screaming at the top of its lungs just amuses me for some reason.
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Nice job! This does clarify things a bit! Though I disagree about the LSSJ concept. They said the first appeared about 1000-3000 years ago (depending on the dub)- and some believe it might have taken the form of a golden Oozaru like the anime showed. But who knows for sure? Maybe someone will ask Toriyama himself.
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You can disagree with whatever you like, but more importantly, I think you're confusing concepts here. I'm removing Broli's "Legendary Super Saiyan" form, which has absolutely nothing to do with any of the other stuff you're talking about (all of which is attributed to the "Legend of the Super Saiyan"; not the same thing) and never has.
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Here is Toyble's take on this in his DBAF comic, which I translated. He uses a pretty similar style of chart but just a different take on it.
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The full chapter->nuruigumi.tumblr.com/post/7711… :-D
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Holy crap!! I didn't know the manga continued up to that point! For years I kept checking different sources but didn't find anything! Awsome!
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Yeah, I've seen it before.
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cool. well, unless you can read japanese, my translation is the first and only english version out there.
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Man with reading this I think transformation and transformation is not that bad anymore the theory to add types is great wow
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I think the concepts were easy enough to grasp from his drawings.
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I have a question. If the God form could be achived if a saiyan was granted a position in the God hierarchy, then when Kami offered to give is throne as Gaurdian of the Earth to Goku, would Goku have become a Super Saiyan God, if he had accepted?
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If Goku already had the blonde transformations at his disposal when he was made a god, he could have basically transformed into Super Saiyan God the moment the ritual was done. Those forms aren't required to reach the god mode, but they do make it a lot easier. Without them unlocked, he couldn't have just transformed the moment he became a god. He'd be able to feel the power and know it was there, but it would require a little bit of training to figure out the internal "locks" and tap into it. The training wouldn't be as hard as what they'd have to do to unlock the other Super Saiyan forms the hard way. It's mostly a spiritual, meditation thing this time.
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I thought of a way to include Broli's Legendary Super Saiyan form. Basically, Broly can use a little godly Ki for some reason, but not enough to completely go Super Saiyan God. He mixes a little in with his Super Saiyan transformation, which powers him up greatly. However, since godly Ki is only supposed to be used by those without any evil, when Broly used it in conjuction with the rage-inducing and hate-filled Super Saiyan form, the godly power was corrupted and drove him insane. He wasn't really lying when he said he was the devil. Goku could mix them together because he long since got rid of the anger and violent tendancies in his own Super Saiyan forms. In short, think of Legendary Super Saiyan as an incomplete, corrupted Super Saiyan God.
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No. Not going to happen. lol
Even ignoring that fact that I just don't want to include the form as it was originally depicted in the series, and that Broli hasn't actually changed in my project other than the technicality of a form name: Divine ki and Super Saiyan God do not work the same as in Battle of Gods for my project. No one has divine ki of any sort unless they are officially promoted to be a god/deity via a ritual that must be performed by another god.
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Okay, just a thought
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This isn't aimed directly at you, but some people just get so upset and demand that I include Broli's "Legendary Super Saiyan" form. If they would honestly just stop and read my description though, they'd realize that I didn't REALLY change anything about him. He's still going to be big, he's still going to be buff, he's still going to have that statement about his power overflowing and he's still going to smash things. lol
Seems like people just see that I scratched the word "Legendary" off of his title and they want to start jumping down my throat for ruining him. But is that one word honestly that important? I don't think so. xD
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I understand. It was the only reason that I could think of to make sense of Broly's wierd green super saiyan form. To be honest, I always thought Broly was overrated.
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I agree. wholeheartedly. I like his regular Super Saiyan form in DBZ Movie 10, but that's only from a design standpoint. He's been a terrible character.
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I see it's been updated 
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Those forms were a compromise between my rewrite and how Goku actually kept the God form power in the film, something I never actually liked. For the sake of my version of the story though, as well as wanting to consolidate the number of forms on the list, I decided to ax them.
Hitozaru is the lone exception, as you pointed out. But the combination isn't the same as it was on the last version of the sheet. Originally, it depicted the character as using "Super Saiyan 4" while tapping into a small amount of Super Saiyan God's power. This time, it is a literal and absurd combination of the full powers of both forms. I figured that since I described Hitozaru in the deviation's mini FAQ as a new base-like state that basically takes all the advantages of base, Super Saiyan and Ozaru and combines them., then Super Saiyan God could probably fit into the mix as well. It also makes for a nice final culmination of everything the Saiyan's have achieved.
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What's stronger:Hitozaru God or LSSjG^?
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Legendary Super Saiyan God, I think.
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Oh, concrete evidence/why you'd think so? And(really, more importantly)decided on set numbers/multipliers/whatever yet?
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Because I created the the hybrid God forms, and that's what I'm doing? The whole point is that the forms tap into the God power, just barely. Never enough to be as strong as the true form.
Same as they've always been, as of now: www.dragonballredux.wikia.com/…
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Ooooook...
Well, God doesn't have one and the Daizenshuus state 4 as Basex4000...
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That's because God is only really used once, and I don't know how strong I'll need him to be by then. Best I can say right now is that it will be higher than x3000.
No they don't. We didn't even get multipliers for SS2 or SS3 until like a decade after the Daizenshu were released, and they came out before DBZ even finished airing, let alone GT starting.
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OK.
Well, anyway, I'm pretty sure that the x50, x100, x400 and x4000 Multipliers come from somewhere...BTW, are you a fan of "SSj Additive Theory" by davidstarlingm? What do you think about it? And do you read fanfics in general?
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SS being x50 came from the series and Daizenshuu, SS2 being x100 and SS3 being x400 came from the Super Exciting Guide years later, and the x4000 is just fans wanting a multiplier, but there isn't an official one.
I don't think anything about it. I don't bother with fan theories for such things, the franchise tells us how the forms work. That's good enough for me.
I don't really even have time to follow normal TV shows, comics or books I want to read. So no, I don't read fanfics. I do occasionally, and I do mean very rarely, check in on some Dragon Ball fan comics though. Sometimes there are months between my check-ins though.
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Err...What about the one used in the Death Battle? Did they pull that out of their ass too...?
Oh, well, not really a fan of it anyway...
Well, they do update really slowly anyway and it's kinda tasteless and boring when it's only 3-4 pages a week anyway...Anyway, what about BTtL?
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They created the Death Battle multiplier by using the previous multipliers to calculate how big of a gap was probably between Bebi Vegeta and Goku before and after their transformations. It's a logical step to take, but the problem with that is that GT is so illogical that the approach could pointless, since most of the time, character strengths are the one part of GT that are consistently inconsistent.
Not really. I've stopped liking them, but I occasionally still check in on Multiverse, Toyble's AF (which is on hiatus) and Jiji's AF. Other than that, it's mainly Freeza Conquest, Wrong Time, Super Vegeta Den and Who wants to be a superhero?
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Really?! Oh, well...Wait, someone'd told me that 2 of'em are from V-Jump and 2 others from the Daizenshuus;is that true?! And yeah, they are. ..
And, well, I'm mostly talking about FANFICTION itself, not those(even though they ARE good;BTW what's up with Jiji and how can I find an English Version of WWTBAS? Thanks in advance.). They're more like Doujinshis/Fanmangas/Fancomics, what I meant is like this(BTW the fic I'd suggested you): www.fanfiction.net/s/8400080/1…
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Nope. Like I had already said. the SS multiplier came from the series and Daizenshu, SS2 and SS3 multipliers came from the Super Exciting Guide years later.
No. Didn't I already say that it's hard enough to find time to read fan comics? And those are mostly pictures. I just wouldn't get anything accomplished if I had to read text based fan fics (which is horrible to say since that's mostly what my project is to be). lol
Shame it's on hiatus, but here is Michsi's gallery for WWtBaS: michsi.deviantart.com/gallery/
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Ah well...
Oh, well, it's still VERY good anyway, and that's why I wanted you to read it, but, anyway...BTW, while we're on the matter, WHEN exactly are you gonna continue?
I know, just read all of it and it was simply GREAT...
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I was waiting on someone at Kanzenshuu to help with some translations of things from Toriyama's other works that involved capsule like technology so I could splice them into the Red Ribbon Arc, but they never got back to me. I guess I should just say the hell with it and continue, then go back and add the stuff in if I ever get the information.
No, Michsi.
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Hello TDC,
I've read what you wrote, i think that is really interesting! Especially when you stated that God form is releated to the awareness of Divine Ki.
I have a question for you: in your opinion, why Vegeta reach "a pseudo god state" after Bills slaped Bulma?
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Thanks,
Vegeta's attack on Birus wasn't anything special. It was nothing more than than an act of rage, like Gohan used to have as a kid. He had a similar display when Trunks was killed by Cell, this just had a bigger result because Vegeta is much less of a psychopath who refuses to acknowledge he has human emotions. After the Buu Arc, he's finally a family man who isn't set on revenge and surpassing Kakarotto.
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What program did you use for this? I have been trying for the longest time to make one for my DBSW series but all I got to work with is paint.
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I used Photoshop, but it's easily done with Paint Tool Sai as well. The latter being much easier to find an English, cracked version of.
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I think its a pain due to only having a laptop screen, which is pretty small compared to most desktops these days.
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