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Published: 2012-09-26 23:39:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 179125; Favourites: 989; Downloads: 0
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Notes:So, to start things off with this interpretation of the chart, most of the description is no longer on the deviation itself. The unfortunate truth is that this page became way, way too long because the DB franchise never stops adding transformations. There will inevitably be more Saiyan transformations on the horizon, too. They drive merchandise sales.
Anyway, you can now find all the information in this Google Doc: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
As always, there's no need to ask about whether I will be including a form or why I haven't added any potential new transformations to the chart. This document will likely be kept up to date with at least acknowledging new forms as they're revealed. However, I will still be waiting for them to fully debut in the their respective media (anime, manga, games, whatever) before deciding what I'm doing with them in regards to the project.
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However, if you'd like to discuss these changes, or the project in general, you're welcome to join my DB Redux Discord server for the community members, an early look at finished & WIP character art and links to full battle power lists.
Thank you, and please enjoy!
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Aside from the ability to use god forms, what's the difference between Mortal Ki Saiyan and Divine Ki Saiyan?
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Follow the chain and you'll get most of your answers, I think:
comments.deviantart.com/1/3293…
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That makes a lot of sense. But it raises a question. Since Divine Ki is based on incredible control of one's own Ki, as well as an easier flow; does that mean that a Divine Ki Saiyan would have better control of the normal Super Saiyan forms? Not that the forms would increase in power, but that they would be more mastered versions? Similar to how Full Power Super Saiyan is a much more controlled version of SSJ.
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You´re so wrong in so many things!
I really hope that these are the intentional errors you talked about.
-The Super Saiyan 2 and 3 do not have grades, since the SS2 and the SS3 are still the SS1 according to Akira Toriyama.
-In the Databook "Dragon Ball: The Legend of Manga" it is stated that the third grade is 10 times stronger than a Super Saiyan.
-The SSG doesn´t have a multiplier.
-The SSB is the SS Form of the SSG, so SSG x50 = SSB.
-The SS4 doesn´t have a multiplier.
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This isn't for the main series. This is for his Redux Project. He's not wrong; this is his interpretation.
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This is just a hypothetical question, but let's say SSJ5 was a thing. How would you handle it? How would you fit it in? And how would it work?
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the chart is pretty cool, and so is the whole example between the pure and corrupted and the differences between.
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I wonder where the Berserk varient of Super Saiyan could be placed at since you're using it for when user loses his/her sanity or perhaps control.
Do you intend to keep the Grades II and Grade III for Super Saiyan 2 and 3? I'd hate to see it removed as it functions quite differently.
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The SS2/3 graded forms were created exclusively as part of my explanation for how Broli's transformations function. Now that I'm kind of circling back around to using the original form with the Berserk label, they don't serve a purpose besides cluttering up the chart. No one else besides Broli and Kale would have used them in the project, so I am removing them when I update later to at least include the Berserk and Instinct lines.
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I honest see that the Instinct would be it's own lineup of techniques because it doesn't have name Saiyan written on it, so only those with experience of Martial Arts could obtain it until the user had a loooooooooong way to obtain it, ala Kaio-ken.
Berserk on the other hand, yeah i gotcha.
It pains me that SS2/3 Grades II and III would be dropped off because of a Broli's/Kale's Berserk state of a Super Saiyan form, maybe the Berserk class of Saiyan Avatars could utilize Grades II & III if Broli alone can never cut it, but oh well.
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Instinct is its own technique, but Goku has traits Beerus and Whis didn’t and gets his power boosts while using it. So I’m tossing his Instinct and Omen on as Saiyan exclusive forms, unless anyone of another race is shown to go Silver with it in the future.
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So where does Ultra Instinct fit in all this?
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Haven't decided yet. Gonna wait on the manga to get to it before I decide.
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So how’d you come up with multipliers for the God forms?
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Just based on strength statements taken from the series for the project, the project’s battle power lists, and whatever I felt like doing at the time.
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So, are you planning on doing anything with Kale's other exclusive Super Saiyan forms, along with Ultra Instinct "Omen" and Ultra Instinct at this point?
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SSGSS Kaio-ken x20? No, still just x2 max.
KaleThings? Still no idea.
KaflaThings? Depends on Kale things.
Instinct "Omen"? Most likely.
Instinct? Most likely.
Bluer? Probably not.
Waiting on the manga because the anime was in incoherent mess this arc.
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I mean, was more asking about the Kale things beyond Berserker and the Ultra Instinct set. To be fair, series-wise "Omen" would have to be at the barest minimum double the power of Kaioken Blue x20, due to how it apparently wasn't enough of a real boost the first time to actually damage Jiren significantly, but since you're keeping God Kaioken as only a x2 max boost for "SSG", I don't really see you as having to make either one that massively stronger than Blue for Redux. Even then, you could probably just make UI the SS Full Power state for "Omen".
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How about a God Oozaru? xD And a Blue one?
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Hey I heard you traced an image of Goku from the manga to make this
Could you tell me what image you traced by any chance?
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It's been over 5 years since I did the first version of this. I don't really remember what panel it came from. Most likely somewhere in the Boo Arc, where he's tiny like this in the background.
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Well the reason I was asking is because I was thinking of doing my own transformation chart thing
And I don't like tracing others works unless it's okay with the original artists
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If you have the manga, you can look for literally any panel you like of Goku (or any other character) in the background to work as a base. However, I don't care if you use mine, so long as the finished product consists of your own line work and not just recoloring my stuff like more than a few others have tried to do.
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Oh okay thanks for the advice and stuff
and yeah I've actually seen a dude do that
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this is awesome great job !
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The Ultra Instinct is like....being forgotten
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Ultra Instinct isn't a "Saiyan Only" transformation.
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so would baby's possession trigger an impure transformation?
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Yes. It's covered in Black's section of the Notes, explaining why they are white:
"I know the regular Super Saiyan forms are stated to be blond/gold in the manga, but I thought that connecting this with Bebi Vegeta was more fun, since it's the same thing going on. So those forms became white."
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in the manga Goku black took on the normal super saiyan form, and it was just like gokus so the only one of his forms that is different in any way shape or form is his super saiyan god super siaayn or super saiyan rose form
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Thanks for taking the time to not read the notes section, and tell me what I already know. Super insightful.
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oh sorry then. My bad.
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Just gonna say something here: What about Gohan's Mythic Saiyan form? Also, as of a few episodes ago, Broly's Super Saiyan form is completely cannon, as it's now used in the main series. Additionally, there's no mention here about Majin Saiyans, which technically are a slightly different form, both appearance and power multiplier wise.
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Never once did I mention canon in the explanation (found in the Notes) of why Legendary Super Saiyan is not on the fan project chart. It's because I don't like the original lore behind it. And until Super does something to actual offer up new, alternate information besides just "here's Kale, and she uses that buff green thing Broli had", the same changes will apply to her rather than adding in the form.
Also, I didn't think it needed to be said, but they aren't "Saiyan Transformations". They are applied to Saiyans, but they are not exclusively forms/states/etc that originate because of Saiyan biology. You could just as easily have Ultimate Muten Roshi alongside Ultimate Gohan, and Bobbidi has already enslaved Dabra, Yakon, Pui Pui, etc. And neither of which have a consistent mutliplier or anything. They just draw out an individuals hidden power.
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Just gonna throw this out for my 2 cents here, I kinda have a feeling that these types of transformations are having a pattern of having 3 stages in total and developing it's own categories from when I looked back on this chart it has right now.
What I mean is that each these said transformations had extensive variety of strengths and weaknesses of each transformations it has to offer and what proper way of utilizing it in battle.
In your version of False Super Saiyan and False Super Saiyan God both of which are pupiless until they gain their pupils back when maintaining it, however neither of these two can come close to it's true counterparts, Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God (The blue one) when it comes to stability, control and concentration.
Which for me it makes it consistent and actually slides along with that category.
Right now, we have like 4 categories and 10 transformations in total, discounting berserk form that Kale has because it's all Grade III for me.
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Shouldn't Corrupted FSSj be... Sickly white? Dunno how that'd work though... Oh, and shouldn't the other formes have 'graded' variants too? Oh, and last thing:Corrupted SSj4(and LSSj/B now, heh...)? Unattainable in THAT state?
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So question, but would it be possible at all for a Super Saiyan 2 God/Super Saiyan God 2 or Super Saiyan 3 God/Super Saiyan God 3 (not sure how you'd personally name a concept such as this) to show up at all, or would it be fundamentally impossible for such a thing to occur? Also not sure if Hitōzaru could possibly interact with the God forms at all, or if the form being fundamentally different from the main branch would keep that from happening.
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The form chart is already a complicated mess, and I don't want more necessary expansion work unless I have to. So like I've mentioned pretty much every chance I get, I don't plan on introducing any forms that we don't see in the official franchise beyond what I already have here (mostly the SS2 & SS3 grades).
Realistically though, if the basic "Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God" description from Resurrection "F" material is still accurate (maybe we'll find out on Saturday with Caulifla) with the official franchise and all that, you could probably work most of them to mix together with a bit of effort. They just don't, probably because of how forms like SS2 and SS3 already drain stamina pretty bad and SSGSS is even worse at first. So anything higher might be unmanageable.
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I mean, SS2 never really gave off the imagine of it having that bad of a stamina strain; at most it seemed to only really be equal to the original stamina strain from SS; plus, I could at least see Vegeta trying to make a SSG2, just to try and have something that could keep up with Goku's God Kaio-ken, though that'd probably only work if SSG2 would still be double SSG like the mortal versions.
Though, I do get what you're saying here.
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Shouldn't SSjGSSj be SSjGx50? And Golden Ozaru Basex500(=50x10)? And what's with the divine "Base"? And the ritual...What? ...Wait, can that be used by other races? Also, I know this is treading into fanfiction-y territories, but for the sake of having a 'complete', as it were, chart, what'd happen if a Saiyan entered Ozaru from any of the other formes? Oh, and also extra graded formes.
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So "Impure" super Saiyans are basically the result of another soul non saiyan soul using the Saiyans powers.
So hypothetical questions here:
if someone I don't if it's even possible where to wish they where a Saiyan or at least became biological a saiyan or if a spirit took over a completely blank soulless Saiyan body that never had a soul to begin with (don't even know how that would even happen) would they count as Impure Saiyans?
sorry to bother you with my random question but my curiosity compels me.
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It's not just a soul in these cases. Zamasu & Bebi both parasite their full bodies into the host, just via different means: spiritual vs science (with the former being much harder to reverse). However, it doesn't really matter. A person's ki is linked to aspects like their physical and spiritual self, and the harmony between them. An example of this is shown in the Super manga, which I'll be using, where Black originally didn't have access to Goku's full power. But every time he was healed from being injured, he basically got a near death boost, except it was those injured cells adjusting to the current status quo of his infected self, and reclaiming power he already had before.
If you could find something strong enough to magically wish yourself into another race (Super DBs?), instead of wishing to swap bodies like Zamasu did in the official version of events, then I'd probably count them as pure,...but not the soulless body...? Even if you could magically create a body and soul that were never "in use" before, they'd still have to initially adapt to one another to sync up? I don't know. My answer may vary depending on more specific scenarios and conditions...
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Thank you for taking your time to answer my question with such a well thought out response.
Your answers where very interesting and have given me lots to think about I love hypothetical scenarios and it's nice to hear how they could possibly function.
Although that whole Wish to be a Saiyan via Dragon Balls seems to have been an idea that people have been knocking around for awhile the Super DB's can probably do it for sure but no one knows if the other sets could pull that off and we probably will never know.
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Did you here about lssjg broly? It's so dumb... what's the point now. Are they excepting fanart?
who came up with the idea that it would be ok to do it
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I'm aware:
the-devils-corpse.deviantart.c…
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Pretty clean re-organization of the forms, though personally I would have gone a bit further and made SS3 a grade of SS2 since it functions similiarly as a form thats stronger, but flawed in some way that makes it less viable. Also, in following the logic that possesed sayain forms are based on Bebi, shouldn't the ozaru forms have dark blue skin colors?
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Soooo... any thoughts on the "controlled" SSB?
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I have no idea what your talking about. There isn't anything like that on this chart and I'm not aware that SSB is ever not "controlled".
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