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Published: 2012-09-26 23:39:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 179126; Favourites: 989; Downloads: 0
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Notes:So, to start things off with this interpretation of the chart, most of the description is no longer on the deviation itself. The unfortunate truth is that this page became way, way too long because the DB franchise never stops adding transformations. There will inevitably be more Saiyan transformations on the horizon, too. They drive merchandise sales.
Anyway, you can now find all the information in this Google Doc: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
As always, there's no need to ask about whether I will be including a form or why I haven't added any potential new transformations to the chart. This document will likely be kept up to date with at least acknowledging new forms as they're revealed. However, I will still be waiting for them to fully debut in the their respective media (anime, manga, games, whatever) before deciding what I'm doing with them in regards to the project.
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The series of submissions labeled under the title of DB Redux are part of a fan rewrite of the official series. Anything that you see in the art or description that varies from the original manga or anime sources is most likely intentional. While I appreciate that you are taking the time to look at my gallery and notice these differences, I do not require a comment on what needs "correcting" because it wasn't "originally like that".
However, if you'd like to discuss these changes, or the project in general, you're welcome to join my DB Redux Discord server for the community members, an early look at finished & WIP character art and links to full battle power lists.
Thank you, and please enjoy!
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SS originally increased all stats, but consumed stamina and caused a "restless" feeling. SS2 does the same thing, just a bit worse. SS3's drain isn't a new problem, unlike the grades, it's just an exaggeration of one that already existed (but was mastered for SS). It's a natural progression.
Nothing about "A power-up where every nerve is concentrated, sending ki throughout the body and inflating the muscles." is exclusive to Saiyan biology. Cell is the only one directly shown to use it, but someone could probably make a case for every buff form to tie back to this in some manner. Maybe accidentally doing the buff thing to access their reserves because they dunno how to do it properly? IDK, it's not really the point. But if Trunks can accidentally create a Genki Dama and turn it into a sword without knowing anything about the technique,...well, nothing is truly off the table anymore. (That's only partially a joke.)
In that same batch of info, Toriyama said that Goku absorbed the power of SSGod and that we probably wouldn't see SS2 or SS3 because Base/SS would be best (from the pre-existing forms at the time) to increase his strength...except all that got tossed out the window when he started writing "F" and moved onto the Universe 6 material and beyond. There seems to have been a soft retcon to reverse the absorption of SSGod's power, and we've seen SS2 and SS3 quite a bit considering his statement. I used to put stock in it, but I just don't feel much of anything said about forms or power during that period applies anymore. It was something relevant to the period it was written, pre-Super, but now it's better left ignored.
Different people have different interpretations. While that can be super annoying, because we're fanbase so divided on many things fundamental to the series rather than being on the same page, it's also part of the fun. Plenty to discuss
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I could have missed something when reading the descriptions, but if Hitōzaru is not part of the linear Super Saiyan transformations, is it possible that one could transform from the Hitōzaru state, or is that going into Dragon Ball AF territory?
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It's covered/implied in that text mess. Hitōzaru is technically a hybrid form of Ōzaru and Super Saiyan, and since the latter serves as a catalyst for the transformation process, it can't be used again afterwards.
If it helps, think of it like Lego. You build something representing an Ōzaru out of brown bricks, and something representing Super Saiyan out of yellow bricks. Hitōzaru uses bricks from both items that were built. Therefore you don't have all the pieces to the Super Saiyan "thing" afterward, because they're being used elsewhere.
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So basically Hitōzaru is the be all end all of the transformations?
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Yeah, unless something official comes out that is set after GT and changes things by adding another new form after it.
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Okay. It makes sense now!
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If you were to explain the process of the Super Saiyan transformation in a science/biological view how would you see it ?
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se imaginan un black goku ozaruu
vs goku y vegeta
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I've been curious. Super Saiyan can't be combined with Kaioken because of the strain, but SSJB (Your Super Saiyan God) can take it for a short time. What about Hitozaru? It alters the body to better adapt to a four thousand fold boost, and seems like a new base form with now higher levels. Could Kaioken be used as naturally with Hitozaru as it is used with base form?
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Maybe. Dragon Ball Fusions has SS4 Goku using a "Maximum Kaio-ken" technique. I don't know what the intended multiplier is (the one in the Slugg movie is suggested to be x100 in guides), but I don't want to bloat battle powers too much if I do end up using it. So I guess the multiplier would have to be decided after looking at the surrounding material, but I can't really account for GT era stuff with Super still running right now.
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I mean, even if Kaio-ken could be stacked with Hitōzaru to the x20 version, Saiyan God would still be 25% stronger than it.
Plus, seeing as how you're maxing out God Kaio-ken to the standard x2 boost, you could probably just do the same thing with a hypothetical Hitōzaru Kaio-ken.
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It's not a matter of keeping the god forms stronger. It's how much more their bases are going to increase, and what that will do to the intended strength gaps I had originally portioned out. (Character A compared to Bad Guy B compared to Fusion C compared to Super Bad Guy D, etc.)
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I stand by my thoughts that that is actually a misprint and it's supposed to be Kaioken x10 or something, kinda like how Tree of Might was supposed to be x10 but the english version says it's x20 (which is silly, consistency considered). There's no way that Kaioken x100 wouldn't rip Goku in half or something (especially if he only takes it x20 against Freeza and Cooler)
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Eh, it's from a movie. They didn't really care about logic.
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I always saw Broly's form as a Grade III Super Saiyan without the loss of speed. It can curbstomp a Super Saiyan but gets wrecked by a Super Saiyan 2. And that Legendary Super Saiyan 3, is just the most silliest shit ever created, also his "SS4" form being super bulky LSS form is also stupid.
I like your statement on Hitozaru, I started to explain it to people aswell that it's part of the Oozaru transformation line and not the Super Saiyan.
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I see someone is using their head when it comes to Broly and not being a fanboy of him. I also like TDC's revision of SSJ4, Hitozaru. Not only the name makes sense, but if he were a writer of Dragon Ball officially, I could see him putting A LOT of questions people have about the series to rest.
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I fully agree on this.
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I love the forms and your explanations. The only one that I don't get is the Super Ozaru's multiplier. Why does it multiply 4,000 times the base form if the multipliers of regular SS is 50 and Ozaru is 10?
But other than that It's still awesome
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The project sees Super Saiyan as a mutation of the Saiyan's genetics, including the Ozaru gene. Saiyans can push the Super Saiyan form further (to SS2 and SS3) by tapping into their Ozaru power a bit more for each form. That's where the extra multipliers come from, and why SS3 gains the brow ridges, massively increases hair length, etc.
Even though part of SS3's multiplier comes from the Ozaru form, when properly used together, the forms output is greater than their individual parts. So even if the Saiyan hasn't unlocked SS3, if they become a Super Ozaru, the form will still utilize all that potential and give the 400x10=4000 boost.
And..all of that is a very roundabout way of saying I had to come up with a reason in-universe to try and give some logic to my battle powers for Bebi Vegeta and SS4 Goku's transformations in my project. A x500 boost just was nowhere near enough.
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Oh okay, thanks for explaining
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So, what do you make of that "form" of Goku from the end of the new opening; the one where SSB Goku explode into a pillar of red light, and turns back into base afterwards? Is this hinting at Goku using SSG again from the brief shot of his face, or is this going to be something like a True Saiyan God, and Goku is going to become an actual god like Beerus?
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After SSRosé, SSRage and what's looking to be a revival of LSS, I'm not going speculate on Saiyan transformations anymore. Just waiting till they reveal what they're going to reveal, that way I can focus on all the other elements instead.
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I mean, you're technically already using Rosé at this point, since that's just Blue when used by an actual divine being instead of a mortal with divine ki, and Rage was apparently in the manga as well, with it being used as pretty much what you plan on doing with Gohan's first use of SS2 (form + rage boost). Ironically, you've technically adapted all of those forms into your project in one way or another.
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You do know that Super Saiyan Rosé is Super Saiyan God with slight different hairstyle.
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It's explained as Super Saiyan God with a God in the Saiyan's body, so technically Goku could never go Rosé because he is not naturally a God. Unlike Zamasu, who possesses Goku's body and then uses Super Saiyan, becoming Rosé. I just think it would be nice for The-Devils-Corpse to acknowledge the form, as I think it has different enough transformation circumstances to be classified as a separate form.
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The Legendary Super Saiyan form is now canon according to Dragon Ball Super. There should be a new branch after SSJ1 that goes to LSSJ. Super Saiyan Grade 3 should also be a sprite that looks more buffed up. SSR (Super Saiyan Rage) should be a fork after SSJ2 as well. Super Ozaru should have a multiplier of 500=50x10 since it is simply the multipliers of SSJ1 and Ozaru.
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No. To all of it (except grade 3; it already is buffed up enough for my purposes here). This isn't representative of the official franchise, and it does not absolutely dictate how I handle things for the project. That's what the disclaimers are for, on every deviation. So I don't need you telling me what I should be doing with everything.
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Alright, it was a request, not an order. No problem. I'll fix it for official canon.
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Any thoughts on the fact that LSS may become canon in upcoming episodes.
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Not yet. Waiting for confirmation that that's actually Broli's Legendary Super Saiyan form. Given the fact that this is Super, there's a moderately high chance that the design could be recycled into some other "new" transformation.
If it is just LSS, I'm probably ignoring it unless there's a new lore dump that gives me reason to include it. That or assume Universe 6 has a different chart. I dunno. Waiting, waiting, waiting.
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I doubt that it is a universe 6 exclusive chart. Cabba is from universe 6 and he transformed into a regular SSJ. Planet Sadal existed in universe 7 but was destroyed due to unknown reasons. The Saiyans then moved to Planet Plant and then conquered it, renaming it Planet Vegeta. Vegeta says that the legend of the original super saiyan occurred every 1000 years. It also seems that the girl shown in the trailer is not a fighter, so she was born with the ability to turn LSSJ. Please just update your chart to include it. It should be a transformation after SSJ1 where there is a fork to either SSJ1 grade 2 or SS Rage or LSSJ or SSJ2.
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Your probably right I'm just surprised they're taking a whole character design from one of the old movies and incorporating here. Anyway here's hoping everything is well executed thanks for responding.
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"Saiyan god" definitely makes more sense and it's successor being called "Super Saiyan god"
Love what you've dove with the god ki re-write as it was very ridiculous how it was attained in the movie. I've too thought it made more sense if the Saiyan already had divine relation or gets the ki from an actual god like the Supreme Kai so then I had an idea about what happened back in the Buu saga when Goku received the Elder Kai's life and maybe that detail could explain the gaining of that form
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The new form Trunks yanked out of his ass has a name! It's called Super Saiyan Rage/Anger/Fury. Just letting you know in case you haven't heard yet.
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Yeah, I know. I was the one who first grabbed it from the Heroes website to be translated, allowing Geekdom to make the video on it before everyone else.
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So what would happen if a saiyan mastered god ki, oozaru form, and the super saiyan transformation?
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Officially, the Super Saiyan 4 design with some blue mixed in there somewhere? IDK.
I'm not adding anymore unofficial forms though, so in regards to this chart? Nothing for now.
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Something I like to imagine about the difference between Super Saiyan 4 and Super Saiyan God/Blue. I think SSJ4 is the more 'Saiyan' side of the Super Saiyan chart, like more instinctive and wild, given how much destruction Goku does with it. Super Saiyan Blue is the result of extreme calm of mind and Ki Focus, being the more 'Tamed' side of the Chart, I like to think of them as parallels, like GT is canonically now, an alternate universe. I'm not saying they're equal in power, since I'm not delving into THAT can of beans. But I just think they're interesting in the fact that they're complete opposites.
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Do you think you'd ever explore the idea of fusing the godly energy with Super Saiyan 4, or having the godly energy filtered through Super Saiyan 3?
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The franchise's transformations are already complicated enough. I have no desire to venture outside the official material that's already on the chart (or will be on the chart if they create new official forms).
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Lol, I totally understand! I'm sure it gives you a headache just thinking about it!
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It wasn't too bad before these god forms popped up. Time travel is still way worse though...
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About time travel in the series? There's no legitimate way to make sense of everything said in the manga on the subject (like Cell being from a timeline where Trunks defeated Freeza, even though said timeline should basically be the apocalyptic future of the one the/a future Trunks is from).
Granted, you can ignore a couple of little hiccups and everything makes sense, but start factoring in everything related to the subject from guides, Super (anime & manga), and even the lore expanding games like DB Online or Xenoverse? Psh. It starts getting waaaaay more complicated with the half a dozen types of time travel (flawed time machine, perfect time machine, magic, Time Rings, Scrolls of Endings and Beginnings, time rifts, etc), what causes a distortion that leads to the timeline splitting, how many split timelines are there...or how many should there be, who split them, etc.
Ugh. It's a mess. And I can't really start working it all out completely until Toyotaro's Super manga reaches his explanation for Black's origin. Being drawn by a major, knowledgeable fan, the manga traditionally sticks closer to the established rules of the original series, rather than just doing whatever they think works in the anime.
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I completely understand; that's a lot to work with and I know that you're really big on getting the details right. If you were to write a DB Redux story version of it, how would you write Xenoverse?
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I plan on adapting Xenoverse, or a version of it anyway (mixed with Online and Heroes): DBR Main Timeline (Tentative)
This ties in with the time travel problem though, too. Because that material relies on that mechanic so much, I need to sort out how all that functions first. In addition to that, I still can't really make any solid plans for that era of content because a lot of the material is still on-going:
--DB Online was cancelled, but that means no new content to worry about.
--The current Super arc involves Future Trunks before he's a Time Patroller.
--The Xenoverse people said they hope it will become a long lasting game series...
--Heroes is still cranking out tons of Time Patrol and Makai content too.
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Just curious, would it be possible for a character to go from normal Super Saiyan straight to Super Saiyan God?
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In the official series you could probably jump from SS to SSGSS. Vegeta reached it while only having SS2 under his belt.
Here? No. You have to have the first yellow and use the ritual and reach red before you can go blue.
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Do you think that like Ōzaru that Hitōzaru can go SSJ and even that Ōzaru can go SSJ2 and 3 same for Hitōzaru?
To me it would make sense since Ōzaru can go SSJ so it should be able to go SSJ2 and 3 same for Hitōzaru
Btw I love the Hitōzaru name ^^
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