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Published: 2015-11-04 07:47:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 11527; Favourites: 327; Downloads: 62
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Just a little something to help out all you palaeoartists out there. Feel free to show people.I do not actually mean any ill will towards people who are doing it unintentionally incorrectly, especially the second way, this is just a humorous manner in which to present the message.
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It's a little hard to keep track of, mostly since it's a little tricky to keep track of how many feathers to have on each wing or tail feathers. Plus we've been used to drawing featherless dinosaurs, or just fuzzy dinosaurs without wings.Β
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this is good, but different paleoaritst draw the correct wing in different ways.
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you know the last one might be possible tough, they might be only display feathers or wings that don't necessary need to be al the way up to the fingers
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then explain the quil knobs found in the fingers.
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which quill knobs, they didn't found them on fingers on the most of the feathered non avian dinosaurs
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oh for f*cks sakes
www.visiontimes.com/uploads/20β¦
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that is just for dakota raptor not all have those knobs on fingers
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Because we have found them on two raptors actually means for certainty, for fact that all of them had wings.
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You realize that, that isn't how phylogenetic bracketing works.. right? Primaries are a major trait in birds. Major, keystone features stay throughout groups. If a duck has feet. Then you know all other birds will. If a mammal has a heart, you know every other mammal will too. Now if one bird has primary feathers, all others will too.
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lot's of people that work in the filed say this also, and i mean big names
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Elaborate what you are tryna say.
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Where did the big names filed?
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all around the world
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Dromaeosaurs are pretty much the sister group to birds. Do birds have naked hands?
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do we resemble the chimps?
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We have evolved rapidly is why, dromaeosaurs on the other hand actually retained there close resemblance.Β
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We have quite a few similarities to them, but aren't 100% the same.
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same thing with the raptors and birds, just a little amount of them could fly and had wings like the first draw, the rest were having the last one because there were only for display and maybe equilibrium usage
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Yes, it's the same with birds and dromaeosaurs, they're not a 100% the same. But since they're both paravians, they have their defining paravian features, which are wings and a body covering of feathers. Flight is not what defines a paravian but plenty genera in paravia are capable of it.
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But most dromeasaurs were too heavy to fly. "What's that you say? but theirs conclusive evidence they DID have feathers extending to the tip of their second digit?" (quill knobs etc.) without the primaries (a feature in ALL birds and all avian dinosaurs with this kind of plumage) the animal would not be able to properly extend these armpit feathers, so they would serve about as much use as tying a cloth to their armpits and letting it flap about. Β upload.wikimedia.org/wikipediaβ¦
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I may be a stupid doopy dumbo goober sometimes apparently XD
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The very last arm looks like Safari LTD's recent Velociraptor model hahahahaha.
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Can you show a little more on how the primary feathers attach? Are they all off the wrist or on the finger itself? This is something I'm rather unsure of when it comes to pre-bird creatures.
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Not the wrist! Please god, not the wrist!
In all seriousness, they attach to the second finger. This reconstruction illustrates it nicely:Β upload.wikimedia.org/wikipediaβ¦
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Thanks so much! I really didn't think it was the wrist, but I had to ask. Thanks a ton for the link! I'll keep it on hand while I work on feathering my Utahs. :}
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You are most welcome.
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XD You and I have a lot in common when it comes to critiquing wing anatomy.
Sometimes it just makes me mad how there's a digital piece that's beautiful, amazing and it has wings on it.... that are drawn like scales.
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So when you draw a raptor; you supposed to draw a complete\full avian wing with claws\talons ?!
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good call on the primaries coming off the second finger. WAY TO COMMON MISTAKE!!!
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Ah, now I see why I was never satisfied with that Dakotaraptor wing concept, thanks for this broad hint
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I've submitted this to 's Skeletals and anatomy studies folder, if you're alright with that, Tom. Hopefully the crude captions don't affect it's reception!
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Right, I'll resubmit it, then.
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And then I had an attack of conciousness and decided against the idea. Figured you'd want to do it yourself if you'd submit it at all.
Don't worry 'bout anything.Β
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The primaries and secondaries (both remiges and major coverts) should be almost uniform the entire length of the wing. People doing the "goober" wing for some reason make them dramatically shorter towards the wrist on both the ulna and the manus. I suspect this is a weird way to try and emulate the 'kink' in the wing that you see in birds a lot of the time, but this is not former from the length of the feathers, but from the way the wing is bent.
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Although I've got a question: The primary feathers of the hand look like they're attached to the first finger, but I've seen many reconstructions where they're attached to the second finger (e. g. this reconstruction of Dakotaraptor's feathers: www.fossilera.com/p/503/dakota⦠). What is the correct way to do it?
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They are not attached to the first finger.
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OK, thanks for clearing this up
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Tom, I think it indeed looks like that the first primary feather is attached on the proximal half of the second finger. Thus, the confusion that primaries are attached actually to the first finger. Are you sure the primaries shouldn't attach more distally?
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