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"Oh, Kirsty, so eager to play, so reluctant to admit it..."I was driving to my dental appointment, but I learned that it was cancelled when I got there. (Grrr, that was a waste of a quarter-tank that I want back!) Defeated, I went Subway to eat, waiting for the local comic store to open, and the product was this sketch and a song I was singing on a loop:Elliot and Kirsty drinkin' some tea
K-I-L-L-I-N-G
First add sugar, then add spice
Knowin' your flesh is really, really nice!The image is a combination of a "freed" Elliot Spenser (in Pinhead costume, as seen in the end of Hellbound) and his adversary-and-love interest, Kirsty Cotton (as seen in Hellseeker). Even after three films — four, if you count Hell on Earth, their tantalising and twisted love affair has yet to be consummated — and remains infuriatingly platonic!
(I have recently read that Hellraiser creator Clive Barker has accepted to write the screenplay for the upcoming Hellraiser remake, with more detail about Pinhead's origins, which hopefully means MORE ELLIOT! Although, according to an interview with actor Doug Bradley, he has yet to be approached to play the part of Elliot/Pinhead, but I hope he will! And maybe this remake will bring more insight to Pinhead and Elliot — and perhaps even Kirsty. Also, check out this wonderful music video . Beware, it contains spoilers!)
Models - Ashley Laurence | Models - Doug Bradley
Medium - 2H mechanical pencil.
Hellraiser © Clive Barker.
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Thanks! I'm really glad you like this. Yes, Doug Bradley isn't an easy person to draw, so I'm not sure if this remotely looks like this. It's a doodle, so whatever. Personally, I believe the reason why Pinhead is so attached/attracted/obsessed with Kirsty is because of his Elliot's personality. In the comics, Xipe Totec has taken many other forms, but Pinhead would not be Pinhead if it wasn't for Elliot. (In the third film, when Elliot "died," Xipe Totec took over and became Pinhead Unbound and this personality was very, very different from the original Pinhead we know and love.) Also, according to writer Peter Atkins, the third film was originally intended the character of Joey to be Kristy and the third film was originally intended to be the "consummation" of the Pinhead (or Elliot in this case)-Kirsty romance. Therefore, I'm a HUGE fan of Pinhead-Elliot-Kirsty love triangle (if you want to call it a love triangle).
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Hehe, yeah - I do call it a love triangle. And I did hear about how if it had been Kirsty instead of Joey in HR3. I wrote a fanfic on fanfiction.net for Hellraiser 3 with Kirsty in it called Alternate Hellraiser 3 Body and Soul. If you haven't seen it you should check it out. Plenty of Pinhead-Elliot-Kirsty loving. LOL. But I must apologise for the quality of writing in this fic, since it was written a year ago when I had just got back into writing after so long. My writing would be much more improved now. Though I must say on Kirsty and Pinhead and Elliot, I much prefer her to be with Pinhead. My reasoning being that Kirsty is more attracted to the darker side of Elliot. And plus when I think of them being together it feels passionate, whereas when I think of her with Elliot, it doesn't set me alight. Everytime I try to write stories where they come together I just don't get excited, not like it is with Pinhead. I totally agree with you on the whole Elliot's personality thing making Pinhead lust after and perhaps even love Kirsty. But then again, I'd believe that he would love her anyway, even without Elliot. Its just something I believe. And I know about Xipe Totec, I tend to use that name for Pinny when I'm writing HR fanfics. LOL. Anyways, you're welcome for the comment. I loved the drawing. Its kinda sexy in a way. It does look like Doug, I can say this now so well done. Especially since Doug is a very hard person to draw. I wish I could draw but I can't so I tend to do manips and posters. I got plenty of Kirsty and Pinhead if you'd like to look. Anyways, thanks again and keep up the good work! Laura xxx
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I found your fic on FF.net and put it in my bookmarks. I'll definitely read it when I have the time and send you a critique/review (you'll see me as "mlle-relda"). I'm a sucker for this love triangle, so it's nice to know that I'm not the only one.
Is she more attractive to Pinhead or Elliot? I consider Pinhead to be 80% Elliot and 20% Xipe Totec. Just the way he was explained in the comics and how he acted (unbounded) in the third film, Xipe Totec doesn't have any love for Kirsty; he seems to be incapable of it. Those softer feelings, those attractions, those obsessive ticks, those little details, that sense of duty are all Elliot. I see Kirsty as being attracted to his human side. To me, it's not about what is lighter or darker. It's about what makes Pinhead human, or what is left of him that is human. She touched the human side of him. It's the human side that that let her go, it's that human side that yearns for her, who wants a challenge, who transformed her into his equal, it's the human side that was jealous of Trevor, that orchestrated her to run to him and seek his help. It's misguided to say that Elliot was the "light side" because he was an amoral deviant, in reality, and is a "dark" character in his own right.
Pinhead is attracted to Kirsty, lusts after her. But if you remove Elliot from the equation, then it's just Xipe Totec and he doesn't give a flying flip for her. Elliot is the glue that makes the Pinhead-Kirsty "romance" work. It's the human side of Pinhead that she's attracted to, which is dark, sensitive, sinister, troubled, and unsettling. And, in reverse, it's the human side of Pinhead that is attracted to Kirsty.
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Hmmm, I agree with you. And its always been my theory too. I always argue that whenever on fanfic people question why Pinhead has fallen in love with Kirsty, or why would there be a romance between them in the first place cos he was a demon. And I retort back, well thats the thing - he was not always a demon. He was human once. It stands to reason that deep down inside of Pinhead he would develop these human feelings for Kirsty. You're very right of course, I always think of Elliot in some ways as being more darker than Pinhead in some respects. My best friend has written some great tales on fanfic with Elliot, as hes her favourite character. They explore the darkness that he holds and the madness he underwent, and I highly reccmmend these stories to you if you are into reading Elliot's past. But hmmmm, I don't know why I believe this, but I just feel that - cos its never been proven cos Kirsty wasn't in HR3 and met with just Xipe Totec by himself - Xipe Totec would feel something for her. Certainly not human feelings, not love no - but maybe something much more obsessive and dangerous. With Elliot in the equation, his feelings are more human. But I still think that Pinhead on his own would feel something for her. I'm sure of it. Not love, but certainly something more inhuman but utterly possessive. I explore that in my HR3 fic. I just hope I did a good job at characterising the divided love Kirsty feels for both Pinhead and Elliot. I hope you like the story anyway. Like I say, I written it last year when I had just got back into writing so I feel its not as good as my more recent ones. I actually hope to go back and improve it alittle. Oh yeah, you'll note I have a problem with past present tense. I already know of that. I'm still working on it. Its more difficult than people think, to remember the tenses. LOL. Other than that, the puncuation is ok and I'm pretty sure the grammer is to a point too. Thanks for wanting to read it. I hope to write more HR3 alternates. Thanks.
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Whenever I watch Hell on Earth, I mentally cross out Joey and replace her with Kirsty. When I say that Xipe Totec had no love for Kirsty, it was Joey in the film, yes, but it was always Kirsty in my head. And the scene where Elliot caresses Joey's cheek is, as it was intended, to be a kiss between him and Kirsty. I guess that's just how my warped little mind works.
Xipe Totec is someone/something interesting. Xipe Totec, as a Child of the Leviathan, had no form. They're suppose to be these ethereal beings, which I suppose are the "ghost"-like things you see in the second film, and they are only given a form why they take over a human being. Xipe Totec, who was considered something of a "prince," took over Elliot and created Pinhead. When Elliot's soul "died" and was left in Limbo, Xipe Totec had "vehicle" without the soul and went on a rampage. Xipe Totec is chaos; Pinhead is order, therefore it was Elliot that gave Pinhead that order. In order to stop Xipe Totec, Elliot had to rejoin with Xipe Totec and become Pinhead again to regain order and balance. I find it interesting that order and balance is very important to the world of Hellraiser.
I do want to point out something that I don't believe Pinhead is a "demon," not in a traditional sense. He's a Cenobite and Cenobites were described as "angels to some, demons to others." I've done a lot of research on angelology and demonology and the history/origins of angels and demon; I'm fascinated by the subject. Angels, in their ancient form/definition, were never these beautiful, white-winged cherubs with flowing robes that we think of now; demons, in their ancient form/definition, are not horned, bat-winged red men with pointy tails that we think of now either. This is what Christianity has perverted them to. In reality, before the Medieval Ages, before Christianity became king, angels and demons were actually the same thing. They are entities of (limited) supernatural powers, that's it. They were generally ugly and, most of all, feared. They were without sympathy and morose. They could both aid you or hinder you, save you or kill you. That describes a Cenobite to a tee. They are the ancient definition of what an angel and a demon was, but nothing like an angel and demon are defined now.
Now if the Cenobites are angels AND demons, how do you define the Labyrinth and the Leviathan? In the commentary of the second film, the Labyrinth, which resemble the wrinkles of the human brain and a metaphor to the human subconscious, is another dimension. The Labyrinth is technically not Hell nor is it Heaven. Heaven and Hell are a myth; they actually do not exist, or at least do not exist the way we today comprehend them as. The Lemarchand boxes are a means to enter this other dimension. In the comics, there are other ways to get to the Labyrinth, using spell-books, some unearthly artifact, a kind of schism in time and space, etc, therefore (we can assume that) the Labyrinth has existed since the dawn of humanity. In the commentary of the second film, as well as a number of comics, the Leviathan is this all-powerful, sleeping, Lovecraftian overseer of the dimension, either described as male or female, and that the Cenobites are its followers/slaves. In the Hellbound Heart, the Cenobites belong to the "Order of the Gash" -- now if there are other Orders, we don't know, because we only know of this one -- and they are practitioners/explorers/teachers into hedonism as a religious devotion, manifested through the expansion of sensation to the point of sensory overload, providing pain and pleasure, indivisible, that transcend traditional laws of physics for all time.
Apparently, in the first film (and a few others) and the original book, Cenobites don't necessarily "enjoy" this, particularly Pinhead in the beginning. It appears that Pinhead was bored, that it was simply his duty and it had become mundane, until the arrival of Kirsty. Kirsty was different. She haggled, she bargained, she fought, she won (three times), and Pinhead, it seems, loved it. She was something different, she was something exciting, thus she became someone he obsessed over, someone he enjoyed challenging, and someone he wanted to love/hate/protect/aid/hinder/torture/possess for his very own. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no angels or demons, only Cenobites; and there is not Heaven or Hell, only the Labyrinth; and that there is no God, only the Leviathan...until we see otherwise. Of course, all of this is my own personal theory.
Do point me into the direction of your friend's Elliot fics. I'd like to see her take on him.
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Ok first up - my friend's fics. Her pen name is Sharona 1981 and the fic that explored Elliot's darkness the most was something called Hellraiser Break the Silence. I loved it. And the other one was an alternate Hellraiser 3 with her OC in the female lead which really does work believe it or not. She has wrote other tales for Hellraiser, including a post Hellseeker one shot where Kirsty gives herself to Pinhead, but heres the interesting thing. Pinhead and Elliot are seperate. Elliot is in Limbo. I kind of like this. More interesting. Anyways, I hope you like my friend's fics. They're great. And to be honest she could do with cheering up. Thanks.
Hmmm, thats a lot of info on Hell, heaven, demons, angels, the Labyrinth. It was my theory too, believe it or not. The cenobites are not exactly demons in the mythical sense. But to save giving my younger readers a headache while reading my fics I tend not to go into all that. I just write what I know, and that is angst and romance. And humour. I do understand the Hellraiser universe though, but I choose not to write it exactly like that, and sometimes I like to have Pinhead slightly out of character. I think it would be very boring if every story on the HR fanfic board had everything to a tee and Pinhead was in perfect character blah blah blah. I like to explore my options, and I think that plays a major part in my popularity. Cos I'm not afraid to have Pinhead out of character a tad bit and have him fall in love, and so forth. As for Xipe Totec, well - I grew up on the films, I grew up with the belief that Pinhead in HR3 was Elliot's dark side personified. That he was still Elliot, and that he was Elliot's anger, hate, dark desires, lusts, and so forth. I didn't know of this Xipe Totec till a year ago. And I never and never have read the comics. So I guess that is why I truly believe Pinhead, the unbound Pinhead from HR3, was still Elliot just his darker side and that maybe he would still have human desires, just not exactly like Elliot himself. Even though I call Pinhead Xipe Totec in my fics, I don't think of him as the one in the comics. The parasitic son of Leviathan. Because I grew up on the films. Oh well. But yeah, thats an interesting theory. Don't worry, I have a warped little mind too. I'd loved to have seen that kiss with Elliot and Kirsty. However, I do like Joey alot. She gets unfairly picked on it seems to me. And to be honest she was better suited to Elliot. LOL. That's my belief.
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Very cute! I love it!
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Hello! Just one question - did you see HOW the character of Elliot has changed in the new comic book series?
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I think the most annoying aspect is that Elliot had sex with Tiffany, not Kirsty as I would like, but that's a nit-picky thing. Personally, I wish he was more philosophical.
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I still do not know what do you talk about, but in one of the new issue Elliot and Kirsty kissed
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Please answer. You are very confused(and intrigued) me with your sentence
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Sex with Tiffany? When? What is the issue? I remember only the issue of where he fucked a prostitute.
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It's BOOM! HELLRAISER #10. Bah.
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Maybe you're wrong? On what page was it?
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I'll look it up when I get home from the hospital. See journal entry.
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yes, it's me again. yes I'm a big bother. so do you show me what you talked or not?
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Remind me what I'm suppose to show you...
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oh yeah. Moment when Elliot had sexual intercourse with Tiffany. I say in all seriousness that I have not seen anything like this in comics
(I think the most annoying aspect is that Elliot had sex with Tiffany (с.) - these are your words)
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No worried, my friend.
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Show me. I really do not understand you.
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#10??? I read it! Kirsty and Tiffany talk in hell. Then Kirsty returns Elliot his memory. That's all.
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I would be glad to do this, but I do not know how to upload images
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To do what specifically?
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Eeeeeeeeeee! Are you going to put this as a deviation because I want to fav it sooooo badly! (huggles them) Why must they be so cute together?
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Eeeeeeeeeee! I do that!!!
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Wheeee! (runs to see)
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I read somewhere that both pinhead and chatterer was attracted to kirsty.. Is this true and if so how do we know this is a fact.. Pinhead and kirsty is definatly true we all know but chatterer and kirsty.. I am not sure about.. Would anyone mind filling me in on this xx
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The Pinhead-Kirsty flirtation/quasi-romance was in the original novel, Hellbound Heart, but it was really the chemistry between Doug Bradley and Ashley Laurence. She was one of the few people to defeat Pinhead. By the second film, it was more obvious as he protected Kirsty by fighting Cenobite Channard and have her run. By the sixth film, Hellseeker, Pinhead doesn't really act like himself in the film. He acts like this cuckolded lover of Kirsty. Throughout the films, he always seemed that bored or relatively calm with torturing and pain, but with Trevor, it was utter delight! Pinhead wouldn't even allow Trevor to "touch" Kirsty when she was supposedly in the body-bag. In the confrontation with Kirsty, he said that letting her run (in the second film) wasn't a free gift, that Pinhead was going want payback: "I will not stop until I get what I want, and what I want is you!" In the extended cut of that scene, it's even MORE obvious!
According to screenplay writer Peter Atkins, the original script for the third film, Hell on Earth, which he wrote, was originally meant to be the "consummation of the Pinhead-Kirsty relationship." Unfortunately, actress Ashley Laurence was unable to commit to the film, so they changed the character of Kirsty to Joey for the third film. The cheek stroke, I always felt, was meant to be a kiss between Elliott Spenser and Kirsty.
As for Chatterer, well, he was originally 12-year-old kid. I never got anything betwee Chatterer and Kirsty... Then again, Chatterer didn't talk or really had any way to SHOW anything towards Kirsty... Pinhead didn't want to share, I think...
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Thanks.. I always thought of it like.. I'm glad i'm not the only one.. I have read on numerous sites that the way chatterer grabs kirsty and shoves his fingers down her throat is a sign of affection of some kind but i'm not really sure about that one though xx
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I don't think Chatterer and Kirsty really have anything. In the novel, there are some "vibes" between the Engineer and Kirsty; but in the film, the Engineer didn't talk a word, so...
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I have submitted two pics on here one is called underwear chatterer and one is called naked chatterer.. Check them out but i will warn ya that i'm not a very good artist lol xx
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Cute and quirky. I love their expressions. They want you to come and play...
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Thanks! I'm glad you like it! I'm a big fan of Pinhead/Elliott-Kirsty "triangle" (if you call it that). Please check out the rest of my Hellraiser stuff in my Horror gallery: [link]
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Hi! You know I have found fic which is ideal to your illustration: [link]
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I just finished reading it! I like it! Thanks for showing it to me!
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Oh wow! Somebody else who ADORES this pairing? XDDD /a friend and I used to rp it lol/
I've enjoyed reading your answers and I agree 100% with you! I didn't know that Joey's role was meant to be Kirsty? Where did you read this? It makes so MUCH sense.
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Peter Atkins, who wrote the screenplays for Hellbound and Hell on Earth, did an interview saying that HR3 was originally intended for Kirsty and it was going to be the "consummation of [their] romance." Unfortunately, when Ashley Laurence was unable to play a main role in the third film, the part of Kirsty was downsized and repackaged it as Joey. So this "consummation" did not happen, but think about it? Never been a fan of Joey. I have nothing really against Joey, but she just wasn't Kirsty! So whenever I watch the third film, I always see Kirsty. It would have made so much more sense if Kirsty was there and it would have made it all the more poignant as well. I'd like to believe that when Elliott strokes Joey's face that was really meant to be a kiss between him and Kirsty.
It was an absolute delight to see her return in the sixth film, Hellseeker, and that "romance" between her and Pinhead continuing! I particularly recommend seeing the extended confrontation scene from the film! It made me squee for joy then I got upset that the juicier bits from that conversation didn't make it into the final cut of the film.
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OMG. Where can I find the interview? XD Was it in a magazine or a tv show? /KirstyxPinhead freak.
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I'm the biggest Kirsty/Pinhead/Elliott freak, so it's great to find others who love the pairing as well.
Peter Atkins spoke of it in a magazine interview from what I remember, but I don't remember which magazine it was in. For years, I've been trying to re-trace my steps and find the interview again, but I haven't been able to. I'm hoping to meet Peter Atkins one day and just get a confirmation. I remember my reaction when I read it; I was giddy and upset all at the same time. I think HR3 would have been a better film if they kept Kirsty as the main character. I've even read previous drafts where Kirsty and Elliott don't even appear; it's all just Joey investigating a monastery and finding the box and that's it.
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That's so bad. 
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What does "UST" mean?
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Unresolved Sexual Tension. :3
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Ahhhhhh, I see! I always called it an "unrequited love/lust."
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XD I don't think it's unrequited.
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Well, unrequited is love or lust that is not openly reciprocated, even though reciprocation is usually deeply desired. It sounds "unrequited" to me.
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