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NOTE: I am not sure if this subject is a crazy wild subject or not. I also fear it may even be taboo... I often don't post all my thoughts on stamps so I am not sure what kind of things this can cause. Of course, I don't always accept censorship, this is just a safe thing at this time maybe.
The stamp said: "Nothing wrong with real person fiction".
OK, honestly, I have a bit of a mixed here.. Mostly fine with it but it depends. I do believe that depending on how you post it online, it could have an effect on someone real.
The main effect of my acceptance is that, it's a fiction, it doesn't really effect the life of someone themselves from it's self and if you do not want to be write about, then don't show your name in public. However, if you wrote it purposely trying to say it's a real story, then YES that's bad.
But how the hell is writing yourself with Obama (for example) going to effect him? You love him so much? Great! Want to write your own dreams about you and him? Go for it! Just don't act like it really happened in our history....... Because that may cause a lot of confusion in this world.
That's one of my problems with 'Real Person Fiction' if someone does this. The only other problem I may have is if you used it for rude purposes to seriously upset the person in public on purpose. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it maybe.
Now here is the rest of the things I do NOT agree to or partly not agree that are in bold:
"It's weird!"
Yeah umm, what is weird? People say that to fictional characters too, and nobody cares.. sort of.. Oh, and I find two humans kissing weird. Next.
"It's a violation of there privacy! Especially if it's shipped!"
Now how is using a popular public name a violation of there privacy? If you make a ship, does that mean you are taking private information out? No. That stuff you made up is your own. Everyone in private has probably done something involving something deeply personal and guess what? EVERYONE can guess it, but guessing something of someone doesn't really count as taking actual REAL information out. - Correct me if I'm wrong. I am not sure if you legally are taking private info out or something.
"It's creepy!"
The only real understanding here is that it shows that you could be a possible harasser or something. But it's just showing you fell in love with someone. I think many people might of done that before honestly and showing a story doesn't really change that. It's just a reflection off of anyone's fantasy about someone. What's the big deal?
Of course, I would suggest being on the look out because it may be possible for someone to cause something bad like harassment from it.
"It effects them!"
Now how does writing something about someone so popular effect them? Unless you do it for defaming purposes or just plain hurt them on purpose?
Other than that, it's no different than saying "I love -insert popular person here-!"
Also, I see no harm in a fan just spreading there own personal love toward someone.
"It's insane!"
You know what really is insane? Being so obsessed with your stories with the person to the point that you try to control the real person in life. Or the thing I said I had a problem with.
Other than that, it's fiction. No different than what Family Guy does with real people.
"Nobody does this!"
Now I'm not going to base this to decide if it's 'wrong' or not. But I did wanted to point this out for effects maybe.
Many people has wrote fictions about real people before.
Family Guy does it, Futurama does it, some games, and a lot more.
In fact, I see a lot of people made theories and such with the multiverse (maybe) involving real people. Though not much in stories but with simple things, sometimes images, etc.
Anyway in the end. Writing one about people isn't wrong it's self. And just because it's based off real people, doesn't make it crazy. It can be more risky due to them being real, but I will not let fear control me. It's a fiction on it's self, so on it's self, it's not connected to real events. It's only bad if you lie about it being real or possibly use it to purposely attack them.
Another thing I want to say is that I could understand if your writing about someone very unpopular, but when it comes to someone very popular, isn't that far LESS effective? If I had to add worry and concern about these kinds of fictions (Fan or not), I would worry about the less popular people in terms of watching it or something.
If it's all in private, then it's even more crazy to freak out over because how is writing about someone in private a problem?? It barely has a real risk to effect.
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By the way, I did once wrote a funny joke story about an fictional person based off acting from Lost and Miyamoto on paper, but didn't publish it. Haha
It was kinda a simple funny thing I wanted to do because it was fun and funny!
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Anyway, not sure if there are other things I missed here.
And once more, I am not very sure on what kind of reactions I will get.
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"I find two humans kissing weird"
sorry 6 y/os aren't allowed on dA :/
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It depends. If the person says that they are affected and they ask the writer to stop, the writer should honor the person's wishes. If the person is dead, then I suppose you could pass it off as either satire, historical fiction, or historical comedy.
There are some excellent real-person fics out there (With Strings Attached, a science fantasy work about the Beatles, comes to mind), but at the same time, writing smut with real people is creepy as it suggest stalker behavior. I recommend that if anyone wants to go for a real-person fic, at least be respectful. Avoid smut (or change the names), portray the character accurately, and so on.Β Another concern is likeness rights. People have rights to their own likeness just like creators have rights to their works, so a public figure could sue. If you really want to write whatever you want without ramifications, keep it for your personal enjoyment, off the internet.
I personally dislike realfic, because I don't like real public figures as much as I like fictional characters.
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Well I heard Real-Person fiction was protected as free speech though. I mean I could agree it's nice, but the person being dead, I think it can be to anything and since the stuff you listed out sounds like a fair use protection.. but I don't think Copyright involves a real person.
Well, making the 'smut' isn't always meant for stalking. Though, some people who do that based off reading it are their fault, or those who write it but then stalks.
I think writing about what's public isn't it's self stalking.
I don't know if they have rights to monopolies non-effecting fiction.
Honestly, I just don't find it very respectful to tell people that they can't share a fiction thing of speech that isn't really effecting them. I mean, again, it's protected by the first amendment I heard. Also, some artists didn't care about it.
However, if someone tries to mention someone directly in fiction, then it could be slander.
Well, if the person's dead, then there's not much you can do about it. Free speech does protect stuff written about public figures, but what really matters is the things these figures choose to make public about themselves. It's only when people go further that it moves into stalker-y territory.
When I say "smut", I'm talking about the porn-without-plot written by horny fifteen-year-old girls about their favorite pop idols. You mention that it's okay to write about things that are already public, which is absolutely true. But for celebs that don't talk about their sex life, don't have a partner, or just don't really do much in public outside their job, sex is private.Β It sounds like you're talking about short stories inspired by public sex scandals, maybe? I want to be sure we're on the same page here.
I was kind of disrespectful towards the end of that post though. The "ramifications" bit is more about "if you post this online, you better be ready for any hate or litigation that comes your way". Really, it's like that for anything you post on the internet. If you can handle it, knock yourself out. And if the original artist, person, singer, or whatever doesn't care or appreciates the attention, then you're fine.
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So you mean it's not free speech if it goes to 'stalking' ways, or 'slander'?
It could mean that that too, but I still don't see any harm or any interfering with them. I think the idea of 'smut' being 'bad' is only an opinion.
To your argument, if someone makes up a fiction of a person that doesn't have a sex life, it doesn't exactly effect it. Because it's completely fiction. If people can make anything fiction up because it's just fiction, nothing really interfering, then I think it could apply to that too.
Though personally if someone does ask not to do that to him/her, I don't mind if someone listens but I still don't think it's illegal or fundamentally wrong (Because it's not interfering) either way. xD
Well I know good people wouldn't care about it. xD
Well I'll just agree that it wouldn't be an issue with the artist for that. lol But I still wouldn't find it morally bad if the fiction was not wanted.
(My 'moral' is all about the Golden Rule. lol)
I'll be honest, I only like 'fictional' characters sort of in case you were curious.
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I'm not really talking about free speech; I was talking about etiquette and general human decency. Sometimes laws can't stop someone from being a scumbag (and those are really the only people I was addressing, not the serious creative writers).Β My moral is about the Golden Rule too, and I don't want people writing sex stories about me. So yeah, I guess I am talking about stuff that borders on libel.
I dunno, I just have a problem with bad fanfiction.
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except for the fact it takes away their humanity
because people start to treat them like fictional characters. :/
plus a lot of people might even find it offensive.
i mean hell.
these are REAL people.
the least one could do is ask their permission
before they do something like that.
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I think the idea that it takes away there humanity is just an opinion and I do not think having an alternative world effects them, so if someone sees them in real life after writing that, they could react the same as anyone. Even if not, it's still only a non-effecting fiction unless certain things happens (What I wrote on the info here).
Anything is offensive. If they find it offensive, they can just ignore it. It doesn't make it wrong though.
They are real, but the story is still a fiction. Your actually not really 'using' them as the story is just made up like the mind of someone else thinking about someone.
I also heard that some people themselves didn't mind being written about.
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so because some people don't mind
therefore EVERYONE doesn't mind?
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I was saying that thinking that you thought it was bad to all maybe. Though however, even if someone did mind, I believe it's still freedom of speech.
Also heard something like that on a Wikipedia page about it.
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If they tell one to stop however, one should stop.Β
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I don't know though due to the whole freedom of speech or other argument. I do not think there is a legal thing people could do unless it violates certain laws like defamatory for example.
Like if someone does write something but it's fiction, not effecting them, I do not think anyone has a right to stop it due to the whole rights thing. :/
However, if it's trying to effect them, like what I said that is bad, including the whole purposely mean thing then I think it would be respectful if they wanted those people to stop. For that, I believe they should stop.
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I do not think freedom of speech gives one the right to speak about others against their will. Fictional story or not, freedom of speech or not. If its bad to use a copyrighted a character who you used with no permission for your story, then it should be bad to write a story or anything about them if they tell you not to.Β
Oc, one should be allowed to talk about things the celebrity does and says in public (that is to be expected).Β
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I don't fully agree that it would violate there will though. I mean writing a story about someone, even there character with or without there permission doesn't actually effect them in real-time (Unless the things I mentioned that was bad), which therefor, changes the will part to be non-effective. To violate a will, it would need to effect them. - Writing in fiction just means your showing a separated universe sometimes imo. Also, I was viewing violating the will of another as violating there freedom.
Anyway, allow me to explain in honesty..:
I strongly believe in the Golden Rule, but I agree with the whole debating thing on the anti-Copyright side. What I mean is that, I do not believe Intellectual Property is real property and that this whole idea of 'information' being "property" is all an illusion, because in reality, nobody in real life is truly effected BUT using IP laws do effect people's freedom of expression instead. I'm not saying I'm going to so-called "steal" people's art, etc. on DA (Rule and law issues to safety, etc maybe), but in general, I never agreed to what some thought about Copyright. And since it's not effecting, I do not morally think it's wrong, however, making people stop does effect them instead as it's violating Freedom of Expression while the Freedom of Expression didn't.
So for that, the same could be said about public names and familiarity, and considering so many fiction did something about the world and certain people in more general if you know what I mean.. Though I won't base the 'many part' but just wanted to bring it out.
I also want to say that the only "bad" problem is under law. Which is not the same morally and legally a person's name isn't legally Copyrighted. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
As for Copyright, there is actually Fair Use laws that do allow certain uses of Copyrighted works.
I also want to suggest that the whole 'respect to artist' was a Copyright thing based off the believes of IP laws and such. However, real-person uses may not have been legally the same though.
Here is other info about the real-person thing:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_perβ¦
I was also reading stuff under Morality and legality seeing it's possibly different.
Anyway, I hope you understand. I also hope I'm not coming out as drama I think. xD
It's just that morally, violating someone's will means you have to effect and I've seen debates on what counts as 'effects' or not. Like the whole 'Copyright "theft"' argument.
Oh, also if it's considered Freedom of Speech, then the law would allow it. Otherwise it's not really Freedom of Speech. Haha. xD
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