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Published: 2015-09-04 03:58:56 +0000 UTC; Views: 1762; Favourites: 21; Downloads: 1
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Was reacting to some stupid I've seen.And yes it was about a taboo subject.
But honestly, arresting someone for drawing certain things (As long if no real victim being involved) is stupid, and idiotic. It's a waste of fucking money, and focusing on that may allow more people to do REAL victim crime. And of course, you are the one that's violating someone's will.
Because of the last part, I will never believe in arresting someone for victimless things. Because it violates the Golden Rule.
Want do draw murder? Not my fucking problem. Want to draw rape pictures? No my fucking problem. Want to draw dying people? Not my fucking problem.
It's a fucking fantasy. We have murder and shit happening in fantasy all the damn time. And just because it's there already doesn't make your argument valid against more rare and less open things.
Edit: I was thinking. If the drawing is like an imitation of something real happening, then that could be different. My saying is (Like I already said on other things), be careful and read the law. Morally it could depend, I am not too sure?
Also, drawing about someone real with things like rape and murder but didn't really happen could be considered harassment. I was told something about that just now.
In my personal opinion, I also find doing that to be rude too (The drawing real people with that kind of fiction).
Edit Done
Edit 2: The first part of my edit, I meant a real event, like real people maybe. Edit Done.
The only people who want this illegal are those who have: Fear,
or idiotically use it like "because it's that term!!"
Seriously. Terms are not a good reason to arrest someone. Example: Arresting someone for drawing murder because it's still 'murder' in fantasy is a freaking moron. MURDER is illegal because of the effects behind it. Someone's life is stopped. (Edit: I think that's why, not so sure. Edit Done)
It may be the same term in 'fantasy' but the whole thing all together is NOT the same. The big major difference is that a fantasy isn't the same as real life; a fantasy doesn't have any real victims (Unless that whole spirituality theory thing). But that could be different...
Yes I know I'm kind of avoiding other words even though it still applies but hey, I like to keep things tamed down.
This is a 'shouldn't' opinion. This doesn't mean I'm saying that there isn't any victimless laws, there still is. So watch out.
But one thing for sure: LAW =/= MORALITY
But morally, arresting someone for something victimless of ANY kind (Not just drawing) is 'wrong'. Based off the golden rule.
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Criminal 1: "So.. what are you in for?"
Criminal 2: "I killed a man."
Criminal 3: "I robbed a bank."
Criminal 4: "I drew a dark thing on a piece of napkin."
I believe there is something fucking wrong here.
Another reason why I kept losing faith into humanity.
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i'd be more down with this idea of all the people who pay themselves on the back for being so good at distinguishing fiction from reality could just...
1.) stop being shocked when people hate them for drawing child rape gore or whatever
2.) stop posting it publicly in places that are easy for kids to find - and don't whine about "purity" or whatever to me, if you can help a kid NOT need therapy, then you should do what you can. otherwise you're an asshole, not some freedom fighter.
3.) stop defending themselves as if they're doing literally nothing wrong
4.) stop pushing their fantasies onto kids around them. this is a big one, so many people who brag about being so good and harmless with their fantasies end up grooming and traumatizing kids with said fantasies.
these are all VERY common things people like this do, and they're all completely wrong. imo they need to get a fucking grip before they earn my support.
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I don't get 1., and 3.. I don't see how that's a good argument to make something victimless illegal. And for 2. and 4. That isn't proof that they will actually cause harm.
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as for 1 and 3, i never said anything about legality, i'm talking more in terms of things we should and should not accept. like, drawing CP is already illegal LOL.
but for 2 and 4, i mean... i know "proof" isn't really good enough for you guys on this issue, but it kind of explains itself. there's a reason so many kids are "antis", and it isn't just "they're weird megalomaniacs!"
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Well as being confused, if you were saying that it's wrong for someone to disagree with someone complaining about drawn fiction, and that you were saying it's wrong for people to defend themselves for practicing victimless acts then I find that wrong to say itself. If you meant something else then it would be nice to hear it differently as I'm a bit confused. But thanks for letting me know about the legal part I guess. XD
Looking back at 2 and 4, I'm actually just kinda confused. If I defended something directly harmful then I'm sorry. I think I was arguing that victimless action has no proof that it will lead to the real thing.
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here's the thing about drawn CP as a supposedly victimless crime against colors and lines.
yes, technically simply in the act of it, you are not hurting real people. we can go on and on about why the fuck would you do that though, but this is what happens when you put it online: it's added to a pile essentially of similar works and the uncritical fanbase for such works grows.
similarly, kids exist kids don't know better. kids are told "oh em GEE, shotacon is SO HAWT X333 I LUV PORN OF LITTLE BOYS" by adults and older teens and whatnot, and they start to think that's normal. this act of normalizing CP to kids is called grooming, and unfortunately what it does is set them up for future trauma - and grooming itself is traumatizing.
i know this, speaking from very personal experience, and i am not exaggerating when i say i only know maybe two or three people my age who have NOT had this experience.
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"but this is what happens when you put it online: it's added to a pile essentially of similar works and the uncritical fanbase for such works grows."
Well it depends maybe what you meant but "uncritical"... but if you are saying it's bad because of what others think, I think that is their fault. Of course if you post a fictional CP online, there will of course likely spark a lot of controversial, but that is society's fault and they should learn in the future.
No offense but I think that grooming thing is overly emotional fear maybe. I don't see how simple speech that isn't directly and physically effecting the child is the same as grooming (though I need to research this in law). Perhaps that could be a problem but that doesn't mean the fictional drawing of one is bad by itself. That should be considered a separate issue to prevent and I don't think that should be compared to anyone raping a child either.
Oh alright.
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"uncritical" means "no one sees anything inherently wrong about it, or at least any need to keep it out of certain public spheres."
offense 100% taken, you cant tell a survivor of abuse both IRL and online that what they experienced wasn't traumatizing xD grooming isn't something that is legally quantified, it means buttering somebody up to accept the bad shit you thrust onto them or shove down their throat later. people online telling kids that pedophilia and incest are just kawaii kinks and that any critical discussion is just big mean kink shaming is grooming.
i know what these words mean, the validity of my trauma is my own, due to both years of recovery and validation from several therapists. professionals say that online grooming and abuse is real grooming and abuse.
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π"Kawaii kinks" xD I'd say legitimately that pedophilia and incest are otaku kinks. Cool conversation!
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Thank you! Exactly! A fictional fantasy involving fictional people hurts no one.Β
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Who has ever been arrested for drawing something?Β That's a lot of bold letters and cursing to express you opposition to something I've never ever heard of.Β
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People make it a problem, because they automatically connect thoughts to real-life actions. They believe in "thought crime" persecution. Then, a lot of people prefer their own morals over laws, but that's part of human nature. People are that stubborn.
What happens when people think their own morals top over laws?Β People start killing, robbing, harassing others, it gets crazy.Β And there will be more people who will do that. That's a recurring issue. Sometimes, itΒ gets worse. Sometimes, people want to twist laws to make things global, which is something that people like Jack Thompson and Anita Sarkeesian always wanted to do.
In my book, it's only a problem if people start hurting others on behalf of their own fantasies.Β
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Yeah it's sad. Not so sure about 'nature', but it is probably 'nature' to have a possibility to be stupid, and stubborn. (You probably mean that, not sure. xD)
I honestly think people need to stand up more against this major problem. I mean it's one way to at least 'lower' the problem just like how racism was lowered.
Yep. Exactly.
Same. xD
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I understand discouraging things like fantasy child porn, but they should not be arrested for fantasy things.
Just don't draw pictures of a real person being raped or killed if that person wants you to stop. That is harassment.
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Yeah. xD
And I was thinking about drawing and real people (Like drawing something real happening), that could be different or so, so I may update this stamp.
And for that too (I understood it now but still plan the other thing too), I think I understand since that one is probably too far. xD
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Yeah, it's best to have two sides of the subject to prevent confusion. Having some understanding of the opposing makes your side stronger after all.
Yeah
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Alright.
I updated the stamp too. If you want to add ideas about it, etc. Go for it.
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