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Published: 2017-02-17 12:06:46 +0000 UTC; Views: 1756; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 4
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Description I have heard from many people that Goku is supposed to be a straight up hero, being as moral if nor more so than Superman himself. This is complete Bunk.

Akria Toriyama revealed in the Wired Japan magazine and the 1997 Kanzenshuu that Goku was always itching for a fight because he wants a fight, not because it's to stop a bad guy. And that he was dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal.
This can be seen quite a lot. He only let Vegeta and Frieza (twice) go because he wanted them to get stronger, not so they can change their ways. He hoped Kid Buu came back good was so that he could have a good fight. He only allowed Gohan and “Team Gotenks” (side note, isn't that a shipping name?) to fight Cell and Buu because he wanted to give them a chance! Edit: In episode 81, both Toppo and even the Trio De Danger Bergamo call Goku a villain in that his actions are leading to the destruction of 7 out of 12 universes. The point of this is that Goku doesn't even defend himself, aside from saying "I wanna fight strong guys!".

As for Superman: I know a quote from an actor instead of a creator, but this gets the message across just as well. Superman is a hero because of how he uses his power, not that he has power. He often rushes to the first hint of trouble. He got a job as a reporter so he could be at the front lines of when danger is afoot. Heck, he even when in a conflict that is just as much about ideals as it is about dealing with a threat, he managed to disable 4 anti-heroes without killing them! People often use pages out of context or even non-canon material to make Superman seem less of a hero.

Am I saying that Goku is not a hero? Of course not. He is an anti-hero. What is an anti-hero you ask? Well it is quite simple. Take any character from super powered fiction and forget where they stand in terms of good and evil. You take into consideration what they do and why/how they do it. Heroes do good things for good reasons in a moral way, villains do bad things for bad reasons and through immoral ways, anti-heroes do good things for bad reasons (such as fame or fortune) or by doing bad acts (murder) and anti-villains do bad things for good reasons. Goku is an anti-hero because his motivations only align with the good thing to do because the plot demands it. Edit: Though it seems that in this arc, he is an unintentional villain.
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Comments: 71

DanielJHowe In reply to ??? [2017-02-19 22:07:12 +0000 UTC]

Can you stop comparing them man, it's getting pretty annoying.

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Xenomaster In reply to DanielJHowe [2017-02-19 22:21:57 +0000 UTC]

Dude, if you are tired of it, ignore it

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DanielJHowe In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-19 23:07:43 +0000 UTC]

Dude, I can't, just stop, we know Superman's more powerful, you don't have to keep stuffing it in the DBZ fandom's face, it's enough man...

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Xenomaster In reply to DanielJHowe [2017-02-19 23:44:02 +0000 UTC]

When they stop asserting Goku is so superior... or I run out of things to say. I already did Strength, Durability, Debunking Goku's universe buster status, Speed, Heroism and Nature of their powers. What else is there?

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DanielJHowe In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-20 00:37:19 +0000 UTC]

Exactly, there is nothing left, you SHOULD NOT have even touched it, the more you do, the more arguments spawn, nothing you can say can or will convince some fanboys.

I have been where you are, I did 300x more debunking than you have, it took way to much of my time of which I could be spending doing A LOT more productive stuff.

I am not asking you to changed your standpoint on this, I am just asking you to stop, we all get the point, but the ones who don't NEVER WILL.


So please be a bro and just leave this alone, it will only go downhill, that's no lie, I have been where you are and I know where it goes.

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Xenomaster In reply to DanielJHowe [2017-02-20 10:45:13 +0000 UTC]

Read through the comments, pal. Dose any of my Lookies have any arguments?

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DanielJHowe In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-20 10:46:24 +0000 UTC]

In due time mate, please, it is really making me frustrated seeing these, it's not just you, every turn is a Superman VS Goku related thing, I cannot escape it man... Please have empathy.

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Xenomaster In reply to DanielJHowe [2017-02-20 11:01:13 +0000 UTC]

I welcome it

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DanielJHowe In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-20 11:06:07 +0000 UTC]

I don't... xD

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Xenomaster In reply to DanielJHowe [2017-02-20 11:10:10 +0000 UTC]

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WhippetWild In reply to ??? [2017-02-17 12:30:33 +0000 UTC]

As for Superman: I know a quote from an actor instead of a creator, but this gets the message across just as well.

"Yes but, Christopher Reeve played movie Superman FOUR TIMES!"
Most actors these days do not get asked back for a second appearance.

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Xenomaster In reply to WhippetWild [2017-02-17 14:29:07 +0000 UTC]

That is beside the point

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WhippetWild In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-17 18:42:07 +0000 UTC]

Okay then.

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Xenomaster In reply to WhippetWild [2017-02-17 20:32:26 +0000 UTC]

The point is what he said

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WhippetWild In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-17 22:18:54 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes indeed. I agree there, and he has played Superman more times in movies, than the others, so in my opinion can say more or have a bigger say or sway in the matter of the character.

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Xenomaster In reply to WhippetWild [2017-02-17 22:21:22 +0000 UTC]

That is a good point

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WhippetWild In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-17 22:22:21 +0000 UTC]

I thank you. *sighs* I am not have a great day with my comments.
Some people are not liking my alternative comments, instead of the usual 'fake' "Compliment" stuff.

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Xenomaster In reply to WhippetWild [2017-02-17 22:24:56 +0000 UTC]

??

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WhippetWild In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-17 22:29:24 +0000 UTC]

A guy posted a Thomas drawing of Diesel in an empty shed, and I commented that it looked like it was taken under an empty bed, like Diesel is the monster under the bed.
He called my comment, stupid. I explained why I thought that and he replies "And banned".

At least when me and you spoke and there was some misunderstanding, you did not ban me or something for an alternative opinion.

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Xenomaster In reply to WhippetWild [2017-02-17 22:36:04 +0000 UTC]

I know the feeling

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