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I have heard from many people that Goku is supposed to be a straight up hero, being as moral if nor more so than Superman himself. This is complete Bunk.Akria Toriyama revealed in the Wired Japan magazine and the 1997 Kanzenshuu that Goku was always itching for a fight because he wants a fight, not because it's to stop a bad guy. And that he was dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal.
This can be seen quite a lot. He only let Vegeta and Frieza (twice) go because he wanted them to get stronger, not so they can change their ways. He hoped Kid Buu came back good was so that he could have a good fight. He only allowed Gohan and “Team Gotenks” (side note, isn't that a shipping name?) to fight Cell and Buu because he wanted to give them a chance! Edit: In episode 81, both Toppo and even the Trio De Danger Bergamo call Goku a villain in that his actions are leading to the destruction of 7 out of 12 universes. The point of this is that Goku doesn't even defend himself, aside from saying "I wanna fight strong guys!".
As for Superman: I know a quote from an actor instead of a creator, but this gets the message across just as well. Superman is a hero because of how he uses his power, not that he has power. He often rushes to the first hint of trouble. He got a job as a reporter so he could be at the front lines of when danger is afoot. Heck, he even when in a conflict that is just as much about ideals as it is about dealing with a threat, he managed to disable 4 anti-heroes without killing them! People often use pages out of context or even non-canon material to make Superman seem less of a hero.
Am I saying that Goku is not a hero? Of course not. He is an anti-hero. What is an anti-hero you ask? Well it is quite simple. Take any character from super powered fiction and forget where they stand in terms of good and evil. You take into consideration what they do and why/how they do it. Heroes do good things for good reasons in a moral way, villains do bad things for bad reasons and through immoral ways, anti-heroes do good things for bad reasons (such as fame or fortune) or by doing bad acts (murder) and anti-villains do bad things for good reasons. Goku is an anti-hero because his motivations only align with the good thing to do because the plot demands it. Edit: Though it seems that in this arc, he is an unintentional villain.
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Comments: 71
Xenomaster In reply to ??? [2018-01-29 17:11:46 +0000 UTC]
This is a response to Goku being called a true paragon. And just because we have a Justice Lord or an Ultraman, it doesn't mean Superman goes down that path
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CerinHero2000 In reply to Xenomaster [2017-09-19 14:11:44 +0000 UTC]
thanks
Yeah, Goku just mostly wants a good fight. Superman uses his power to protect the innocent
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magshi [2017-06-17 07:57:45 +0000 UTC]
All the same, i'm pretty sure Goku knows the difference between what's right and what's wrong. Which is why he dosen't
go around killing people just to get stronger.
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Xenomaster In reply to magshi [2017-06-17 20:09:34 +0000 UTC]
Allowing villains to live so they can get stronger rather that locking them up or killing them so they won't kill again, sent children to fight monsters and ignores advice from those smarter than him about certain situations.
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TherealLevelZ [2017-03-17 22:39:20 +0000 UTC]
Please do a means of goku's speech stating " he is the hope of the universe " with the universe survival arc Goku who don't care!
Please do it, please!
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Xenomaster In reply to TherealLevelZ [2017-03-17 22:40:20 +0000 UTC]
I think that was covered in this very addition
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TherealLevelZ In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-17 22:58:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh sorry! I made a mistake in my sentence, I've meant to say "memes" instead of "means".
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Xenomaster In reply to TherealLevelZ [2017-03-17 22:59:13 +0000 UTC]
...Doesn't change a thing
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TomyDayos [2017-03-12 02:06:03 +0000 UTC]
I really hope Goku get some come up. Someone beat him up and teach him the wrong of his ways. And then that the Goku will realize what he is actually doing, so that we can have the Goku who would fight in a desert land to prevent innocent deaths back!
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Xenomaster In reply to TomyDayos [2017-03-12 09:27:27 +0000 UTC]
Here's the thing, MasekoX surmised this is his Saiyan nature poking through. I just think Goku is an idiot beyond all bounds
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TomyDayos In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-12 15:32:32 +0000 UTC]
Im very angry at Toyama right now:
Here is what Goku said to the other gods: Bring the strongest that you have and I will beat then all.
Here is what its actually mean to then: You are all going to die! You have no chance of survival. I'm smilling while you are all are cowering in fear! Prepare to lose your family, friends, world, loved ones and your own life!
Bergamo is right to be angry, Goku was smilling the entire time, whie Bergamo just discovered that he and his bothers are going to die.
Imagine yourself, you just discover that you and your loved ones are going to die. That you are the weakest and have no chance of surviving. And there is a guy smiling near you, telling that he can't wait for the tourtment that will seal your fate. Besides, Goku did'nt even show signs of thinking a second time, like feeling sorry for not being allowed to hold back. Its even give the impression that he would not hold back even if the rule about destroying all universes was not preesent.
That is not the Goku who I grew up with.
This Goku simple dont care about the lifes of Cabba, Champa, Gowasu, Hit andf the trillions of other habitants of the other universes.
This battle is different from any previous battle from Goku. Because winning also mean that innocents are going to die. And the motivation of the enemies of Goku are going to be the same that Goku is supposed to have. Nobody want to die. Nobody want to let those who he love die. Goku should at least have some respect for then and tell something like: "I'm sorry, but I have no choice." or "I didn't wanted things to go this way" or at least give a "Good luck" to the other Gods.
I hope that Toyama use this next Toppo fight to fix things. To show that Goku is not that selfish, as he appeared to be in the last episode.
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Xenomaster In reply to TomyDayos [2017-03-12 17:16:55 +0000 UTC]
I may not agree with you on some points. The original Goku was all about fighting as that's how he was brought up. He wasn't very smart, but still good. DBZ Goku was selfish or a real idiot, especially when the Android saga began since he made so many choices I found were the wrong ones.
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TomyDayos In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-12 18:51:34 +0000 UTC]
Yes... I guess that you are right. I was not exposed to the japanese version of Goku before. For what I know the dubbed version is more heroic. Must be also part of nostalgia clouding my memories.
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Xenomaster In reply to TomyDayos [2017-03-12 19:03:36 +0000 UTC]
The sad thing (not for me) is the original english dub tried to make Goku into Superman
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segamarvel In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-17 08:28:01 +0000 UTC]
I honestly enjoyed funimations version of goku. Them turning him into superman was the right move in my opinion. Though I am smarter now and have learned of goku's true self. He's still a cool character but one I've lost respect for over the simple fact that he's not the hero I grew up with him as. No wonder I eventually sided with superman as a character. At least the core of his being actually is to be a hero in every sense of the word.
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segamarvel In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-17 20:30:03 +0000 UTC]
No I saw both ocean dub and funimation. They both did a superman personality to a degree.
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TomyDayos In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-12 19:33:35 +0000 UTC]
I still remember Goku saying this like "I will fight to protect everyone!" or "If I can't defeat you, who will!?" You are right. Thats why now Im breaking my face.
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Xenomaster In reply to TomyDayos [2017-03-12 19:34:15 +0000 UTC]
*eats popcorn while enjoying your misery*
Just joking.
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TomyDayos In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-14 00:13:59 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the reply. I think that now I will just get going. Bye.
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DW13-COMICS [2017-03-07 12:12:41 +0000 UTC]
What the creator want for his character, is ETCHED in stone!
Anybody arguing with the matter is only being selfish with their idol & is NOT respecting the character in general.
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 12:22:33 +0000 UTC]
Same with Jason Fuckin' Voorhees fighting Michael Myers, which I stated in my recent comic page upload...
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 12:24:47 +0000 UTC]
Right here: THE ULTIMATE BATTLE pg.126
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 12:34:53 +0000 UTC]
Where I gave my synopsis about Jason vs Michael. (in description)
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Xenomaster In reply to DW13-COMICS [2017-03-07 12:36:23 +0000 UTC]
Basically Michael is still human while Jason is a super zombie
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 12:37:13 +0000 UTC]
Yups, and can crush a man's head into mush with just a single try.
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 12:57:51 +0000 UTC]
Just for curiosity, didja read my JvM description in my comic link?
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DW13-COMICS In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-07 14:08:06 +0000 UTC]
Okay. At least ya read some of it.
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masterofhorr [2017-02-21 21:36:58 +0000 UTC]
To be fair though, they are pretty different in personality, and fit different definitions of "hero". But it's a different story to compare "who would win?" Scenarios with what these quotes are.
If anything, it just makes the concept of a fight between them stupid, as They aren't compatible.
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Xenomaster In reply to masterofhorr [2017-02-21 21:50:34 +0000 UTC]
This wasn't about them fighting. It's a comparable debunking
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masterofhorr In reply to Xenomaster [2017-02-21 22:33:19 +0000 UTC]
Oh you mean like, "Goku is the better character waaah waaah". Pshaww
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Xenomaster In reply to masterofhorr [2017-02-21 23:01:03 +0000 UTC]
Me too. Feel free to use these
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