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For "Star Wars: The Card Game" published by Fantasy Flight Games. It doesn't really matter who shot first - Han Solo is the only one who leaves the table.Related content
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And that message is "next time you want to talk to me come see me yourself don't send another one of these twerps"
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Hahaha gotta love the Solo.
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Han didn't shoot first. Greedo didn't shoot at all. So Han was the only one who shot.
So the correct phrase would be:
Han shot.
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Han shot first, Greedo shot first, WHO CARES?! THE END RESULT IS THAT GREEDO IS NOW FROGS LEGS!
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If Indiana Jones can just shoot a guy with a sword, then itβs possible for Han to shoot Greedo first. On 1:56Β m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnA-ESWβ¦
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I don't disagree!
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Han shot first.Β 'Nuff said.
Besides, what self-respecting smuggler would let that green goon Greedo put a blaster bolt in him?
Han was just doing the galaxy and Rodian females everywhere a favor.
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In fact in the movie, Greedo never did fire.
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Or did he? Haha okay I'll stop now.
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I was reading this essay the other day talking about Star Wars and this was in the essay.
"Thereβs the big one, of course, which is Han not βshooting firstβ¦β This change doesnβt actually alter the movies any more than a dozen others, but people like to cling to it because they can say that itβs not just a change to the effects, itβs a change to the character and his story, and this makes it look like their concerns about the changes to the films come from their place as high minded cultural critics with a deep insight into narrative, rather than, say, their desire for the movie to always look like it did when they were six.
The thing with this change is that itβs barely a change at all. Greedo was always ABOUT to shoot Han. Itβs there in the dialog. He means to shoot Han and kill him in every version of the scene. Han never has shot Greedo in cold blood. That scene doesnβt exist except in the minds of some particular butthurt man children obsessed with a movie. So if Greedo always meant to shoot Han, the only difference is that in the altered versions he gets a shot off, and Hanβs actions and motivations are identical.
So then why change it? Itβs just a clarification. The idea that Greedo was about to shoot Han is clear from the dialog, but not as obvious visually, and as always Lucas wants these films to operate on a visual level first. Regardless of that you can say that if, functionally, Hanβs motivations in both versions are the same, then the clarification is unnecessary. Which is funny, because thatβs where the people complaining about the change prove Lucasβ point for him, since it should have been clear and easy to understand before the change, but it obviously wasnβt since these people, 18 years after the Special Editions came out, are still struggling to wrap their heads around it."
- Rick Worley www.rickworley.com/
The last sentence is priceless.
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Well, it's like what Mass Effect's bounty hunter Zaeed Massani quotes:
"Nine times out of ten, you have a gun in your face, you do what the other guy says.Β Only two types of people don't buckle at that point: trained killers, and psychopaths.Β Most people can't tell the difference."
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Hahaha. The truth is hard for some.
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There was no 'shot first'. Han was the ONLY one who shot.Β
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Han shot first, Greedo shot first. Does it really matter? Clearly Han is the better shot!
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It does actually,Β
Firstly if Greedo missed from there then it makes him look stupid and a completely useless bounty hunter. Also it shows how relentless and unredeemable Han is at the start of the trilogy, and as it goes on we see him become more human and not just a criminal smuggler.Β
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Like why is that not an official shirt? I'd buy it. Hell I'd BUY a billboard and put that up if Lucas Arts let me!
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I have two things to say;
This: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-TZpβ¦Β
And this quote from Lucas: "what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer,"Β
At 9 years old I knew Solo wasn't a cold blooded killer.Β A ruthless bounty hunter had the drop on him and had just said lets step outside so I can kill you.Β Of course Han shot first otherwise he would be dead.Β If a 9 year old can figure out the morals of the situation I don't think Lucas needs to be so arrogant and dishonest about it.Β Plus he didn't need to insult the people who made his rich in the first place by saying they wanted Solo to be a "cold blooded killer".Β Defending yourself from certain death is not cold blooded.Β But that's modern Hollywood for you.
I read an article that sadly I can not find again that called Star Wars a happy accidentΒ - because in the first two shows Lucas was still listening to others.Β After Lucas got full control we ended up with Ewoks, JarJar and Jake Loyd (who I think suffered from bad directing more than bad acting).Β Not to mention the Lady Shaver communicator Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon used.
Oh - and BTW - great picture
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It seemed to me it was clear that Greedo's shot towards Han in the changes was to make his intentions clear. In the dialogue he clearly implies that he rather sees Han dead and just collect the money, while the bounty said the money had to be collected from Han, dead or alive. So it's no wonder that Han took his blaster and took the shot, before Greedy would sooner or later fire at him. It was always going to be self-defense. It was only made more obvious in the later cuts of the film. And yes, there are many fans who complained that Greedo shooting changed everything, because Han was supposed to be a cold-blooded killer. It changed his character, so they said. So I understand the changes. Clearly Lucas did think a lot of fans were confused about what kind of a guy Han is. And just to correct, Lucas had full control when he inserted Ewoks in ROTJ, but he had full control in Empire and A New Hope as well... So I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If you're saying he didn't listen to others, neither did he during Empire. Irvin Kershner directed Empire and this came with a big price, because there were reshots he had to do for the film, mostly for Dagobah and Cloud City I believe. They just never mention this really so they don't discredit Irvin Kershner, but considering the rest what he directed, is it so hard to believe that Lucas wasn't pleased with everything he was shooting?
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Haha I can definitely sympathize with the argument against Lucas's changes and agree with you that even children can understand that Han was clearly acting out of self-defense and doesn't just go around bars shooting people. But I guess that's why I never really cared that much about the change - because no matter who shot first, it really DIDN'T change how I saw the character. If anything the change just tries (albeit somewhat sloppily) to add an additional level of badassery to Han's character because (if you look closely) he actually does dodge Greedo's shot at the same time he fires back. Greedo doesn't miss - Han is just apparently really good at laser dodge ball. So my perception of Han goes from "Oh he's a man who just does what he has to do" to "Oh he's a man who just does what he has to do a little more stylishly". Now I do prefer the original version for the reasons that you said. But I just can't find it in me to be all that upset about the change.
Now the Blu-Ray changes.....those upset me lol.
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I actually thought that Han killed him because he didn't want to get arrested and he was an outlaw. But then I got older and watched pretty much every version of star wars ever so now its like, "Meh Han kills him anyway." Honestly though I prefer to watch the special editions because they can really bring the movies more into life. Plus the sound is better for both the soundtrack and effects and the lightsabers look more put together like they are the same tech. Then again I was born in the late 90s and liked anything star wars so I guess I have a unbiased but biased love for Star Wars.
I know I'm going to hate the new movie due to the expanded universe retcon but I'm still going to love it because it has lightsabers the force and John Williams writing the soundtrack.
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Yeah I do feel a little bad for everyone who was really entrenched in the EU stories. I myself never really dove very deep into it, and never really considered it to be canon anyway, so it doesn't bother me that they're moving away from it. The movies have always been the only canon for me, so I'm just excited to be getting more and to be able to hopefully share it with my kids - whenever I get around to having those lol.
As far as the Special Edition movies go, the only thing that really bothers me about them is Jabba's palace band in Return of the Jedi. The cg just stuck out like a sore thumb and I miss the weird 80s style alien funk, which seemed more fitting than the sounds of a big jazz band.
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My experience with the EU was video games, The Clone Wars, and Wookiepediea. Like A LOT of wookiepedia. It's just sad that the writers couldn't think of anything "new" and so they just made EVERYTHING not canon. Like they could have at least made everything or mostly every thing after the sixth movie not canon. But nope, now the rebel alliance is not the accident of Darth Vader and Palpatine using the secret apprentice to "create" a rebel alliance to find all their enemies and execute them only to fuck up and underestimate Galen Marek's power. Granted that the games made him seem more powerful, but that was for gameplay.
Also the special editions vary depending on which you get. The alien band's music change was a little weird but it got the point across ether way. Though I do kinda like the added animated members. Made them seem more real, of course though I would really like it if they did a another one with the even better CGI animations. I mean today my dad thought I was watching a LIVE ACTION MOVIE but really I was just playing the new Metal Gear Solid game and was a t a cutscene! HE THOUGHT IT WAS REAL PEOPLE! XD
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