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The first of two entries in this 'database' inspired directly by the TV21 comic strips - this Dalek Emperor is a hybrid of the 'Golden Emperor', the 'Evil Emperor' and my Dalek design. And it came out not looking all that bad...which is amazing because the Golden Emperor design is just plain daft, when you really think about it.Terry Nation created the Daleks - although I believe he more or less disowned the ol'bubble head.
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What a fantastic blend of designs! This would look amazing in the series.
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Heh. Thanks. I wonder if the Terry Nation estate would be more willing to let this through than the straight up golden emperor design...
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What does? The picture? The design? The colours? The font?
I don't care if you don't like it but why on earth did you waste your time posting if you're not going to say why?
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Nicely put together; I like the inclusion of the McKinstry design Dalek Supreme elements. It might be an idea to make the dome lights stand out a little more (in terms of colour, not size)?
Just out of interest, while obviously the white fits with the current New Paradigm version of the Supreme Dalek, have you tried this in either metallic gold (as per TV21) or one of the black with secondary colour versions (Planet of the Daleks, Revelation, Masterplan, Dalek movies etc)? It can be amazing how a change of colour can really alter the look and feel of things.
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Oh, indeed. No, I haven't. But I might have a go later and see what it looks like...
I see what you mean about the lights...hmm...maybe I'll tweek him before his appearance in the comic...
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Do you think that the next time we see Davros, he will be allied with the Progenitor Daleks, or will he re-ignite the Dalek Civil War between himself and the Supreme Dalek Emperor?
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Oh, I'm pretty sure he'd restart the civil war if he could - win it if he could! He's like the Daleks - can't stand the idea of anyone else being in charge.
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It would be interesting if the "Skaro Empire" was all the Progenitor Daleks and the White Dalek Supreme, and Davros retained the Russel T. Davis Bronze Daleks and Red Supreme Dalek.
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One thing about the New Dalek Paradigm is that they didn't just abruptly change the Dalek's design. They actually wrote the change into the story. I'd like to know if there was a story reason for the Daleks changing from their classic design to their RTD design. Could it have been similar to the RTD to Steven change?
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Hmm...interesting thought...the thing about the RTD design, of course, is that it really wasn't that different from what had come before...it was more like, here's a Dalek made out of different materials than , here's a Dalek with a new design. Ok, so every little detail was different, if only slightly, but it was still recognisably the same design. Therefore, you didn't need that much of an explanation.
My personaly theory is that, due to the war, they had to speed up Dalek production, so they had less 'finished' casings, with all the bolts and rivets on show rather than completely sealed away.
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I think the Time-War casings are more finished, not less. I think the bolts and stuff are just details, not significant alterations. Significant alterations would be the heavier look, the compartment around the eyestalk, the larger ears, and the larger base. And we;ve seen how picky Daleks can be about even minor differences so it'd be interesting to know why they decided to change from their old designs to the newer ones (I have a story planned about it).
And Moffat's Daleks are still recognizably Daleks. Skirt, balls, stick and plunger.
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Yeah, I see what you mean.
I've often wondered, when I design the models, how far the Daleks' intense xenophobia extends to their casings. Do the small details with them matter so much? They're changed so much over the years that you'd think not...but then again, these are the Daleks we're talking about...
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The Renegade and Imperial Daleks hated everything about each other, even though the differences were minor.
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Yes - but in that case, the differences were between the creatures inside the casings: as Ace puts it, one lot are blobs, the other lot are bionic blobs with bits added.
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I'm sure even the casings themselves are important to them. After all the Daleks have never extensively altered the casings into something more mobile or agile.
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The casings are important, yes...but if you think about it, the casing follows from the creature inside - the Daleks are an engineered species, designed to work with that particular casing - or, more accurately, the casing was design to work for their particular physiology. Davros made the casing to match the final stage Kaled mutants - so it's possible that the standard Dalek set-up is the only style of casing that they could operate properly. If the Daleks are obsessed with keeping their organic bodies exactly the same, then the casing must also remain built along the same design.
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Dubious canonicity.
And, while it's a cool idea, I can't quite believe that the Daleks would build anything with legs. Although, of course, in the book, Spider Daleks were an idea of Davros', rather than something the Daleks came up with on their own...
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Yes that is true. Still that's not to say the Daleks couldn't create more mobile casings. After all you forgot that the Dalek casing Davros based on his chair and himself (to an extent) due to his egomania and megalomania. When the core creature is little more than a blob you don't need to really alter the design much for it.
And finally someone who understands that most spin-off material (particularly old series related) is of uncertain canonicity. Now if someone could get that through the thick skulls of the people over at Doctor Who Wiki.
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Doctor Who canon is almost a contradiction in terms anyway...you can't match up the first stories and the latest without being very loose on the fine details...
What I mean about the casing isn't so much that they couldn't it's...Ok, there's a school in the Philosophy of Mind that argues that human thought is defined and bounded by us being embodied creatures ie, we think the way we do because we have a physical body. More than that, we have a particular type of body, your standard issue two arms, two legs, ten fingers, one head, two eyes etc, etc. As a consequence of this, we think and experience life in terms of a four limbed, upright mammal - and we can't imagine what life would be life for a spider or a wasp or a bat. Also, we design our world around our bodies.
A Dalek is a mutated blob that has a number of tenticles, very little ability to move on its own in normal gravity and goodness knows what senses. From birth, they're placed inside a travel machine tailored to that bodily set up - and thereafter, the machine becomes an extension of them. They see and hear and touch through it. Their world is shaped by their having the one manipulator arm, the one eye, the tank-like lower-section etc, etc. It's probably technically easy to build another type of casing for the blob, but (I think) if you didn't follow roughly the same pattern as the original/normal casings, the creature would be as lost in that 'body' as you would be if I stuck your mind, as it is now, into the body of an octopus.
Sorry for rambling on there, but I thought I ought to explain my reasoning. Influenced by my university work, I'm afraid, so it sounds like I've put more thought into it than I have!
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I think that's over-analyzing it way too much lol.
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Also Alientraveller - check out Mechmaster's Second Empire comic if you haven't already, has a nice Golden/Time War Emperor hybrid design
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Seconded! I don't say it enough but Mechmaster's Second Empire and his Dalek designs in general are spectacularly brilliant. I should have a banner or something directing anyone thinking of redesigning the Daleks to his pages...
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I keep coming back to this Emperor - I really like it, a great blend of the Evil and Golden Emperors
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Hmmm. This was meant to be your fusion of the TV21 comic and Evil of the Daleks design right? Would you do one of the 2005 Emperor as well in your aesthetic?
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I'm debating it. I'm not quite sure how to approach it. I don't like the 'exposed' Dalek creature in that design, nor could I reproduce it, so the question is, what do I replace that section with? We'll see. I'd certainly like to build an Emperor on that scale.
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They did a new version of the 2005 Dalek Emperor in the game, City of the Daleks. It's big, and blue, and has been adapsted to the new Dalek design.
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Yes...and he'd clearly shrunk in the wash because it looked like he was about half the size of the one from Parting of the Ways. And, seriously, *blue*? What was he thinking?
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You're very picky with Doctor Who ain't ya? XD
I will agree he did seem to be shrunk. But that's never been a problem with Dalek Emperors for me. Size. The original TV21 DE was shorter than all the other Daleks and everyone loves him.
The problem with Dalek Emperors for me, while not a big "OMG I hate it" grief, is more of a pet peeve. It's that they NEVER HAVE WAYS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES! For a race that believes solely in power and authority the Emperor is consistently the weakest and most vulnerable Dalek in the entire hierarchy. The only reason it has control is due to the Daleks being so thick in regards to who's in charge.
Then the Second Doctor came along and instilled some freedom into a couple Daleks. Oh and then the defenseless Emperor is dead, didn't think of that did you Daleks? And then what? Their new Emperor casings are just a weak! At least Davros can shoot fucking lightning from his hand and eye. I know the Emperor's supposed to be regal and shit, but I want to see him at least once give us the performance like the Dalek Supreme in Planet of the Daleks. Exterminating a pawn for failing with some super death ray made just for him.
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I probably come over far more picky than I actually am - which is generally because if I see something that doesn't quite work for me in the things I like, I either 1) try and work out how to 'fix' it or 2) laugh at it. Except for the things that get me really, really angry. Like The Next Doctor, for instance...
You're right, of course. The Emperor is a bit...um...sitting-duck-esque. Though I think saying that the Evil version got nobbled because the Doctor changed 'a couple of Daleks'. He managed to get every avaliable non-Black Dalek in the city running through that transformation arch!
Of course, there is also the Emperor in the Big Finish audios who manages to pack a nice lightning bolt of his own in addition to having some rather neat psychic tricks...none of which stopped him suffering humiliating upsets but hey, its a start.
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In things I like it's rare for me to outright dislike something. As far as I'm concerned if it's Doctor Who (for example) than it's awesome. I have my little pet peeves sometimes, but they don't distract me from loving every minute of whatever it is.
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Well, exactly! Grousing can be great fun but when it comes down to it, we watch it because it's the best thing on telly!
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I never have anything to grouse about.
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Blue? It's the new black
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