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Supreme Dalek: New Empire eraRetrieved from the jaws of the Time War by the temporal intervention of the sole surviving member of the Cult of Skaro, the Supreme Dalek commanding Davros' battle cruiser was augmented to act as the central authority of a new Dalek race bred from their creator's cells. While not a full Emperor, it was nevertheless capable of overseeing the efforts of the vast fleet assembled deep within the Medusa Cascade.
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Guh. And I thought I disliked this design before I started modelling it. This is not an especially good model, but I don't really care. I've tidied it up to make it a bit more to my liking (getting rid of those silly blocks from under the lights for a start) but it's still...inelegant. I suppose you could say that's part of the point, but...eh.
I did wonder about chopping off the third lamp but in the end, it didn't look entirely right without it...
Ah well, it's only here for completeness sake.
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Why is their so much hate for this dalek design? the golden clamps were an interesting feature that gave it a unique and strongerΒ appearance compared to most Daleks that tend to look the same except for different colours.(however I do agree that the boxes under the lightsΒ weren't necessary.) but I'm glad you kept the colour scheme as red Daleks tend to be spaceship commanders and this supreme was commanding a giant battleship. Also the third lamp is required because they are also anger discharging safety valves and this dalek loses his temper a lot more than his subordinates.Β Β
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Funniest dalekmania fact ever: Early daleks had no lights, so they LITTERALLY exploded with anger.
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Oh, I grant you that the concept isn't bad - I actually don't mind the idea of having brackets like that. It's the execution I find sloppy. I think it could have been done a lot better.
You're almost certainly exactly right about the third lamp though.
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who made it and i want it so badly, please release it
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yeah I sort of have to agree it should be black the mains are kind of cool
and the stupid blocks that justΒ just so pointless andΒ he can't even leave a room withΒ those on...the red color should be for strategists just with out the main or theΒ other dome light but the skirt and globes will be silver Β Β Β Β
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I absolutely LOVE how daleks look! The perfect art of weaponry and defense with a sci-fi effect! Gawd I love doctor who!
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Can I use this in my art work? I will give you credit.Β
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Sure - as long as you give credit, that's fine.
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This Dalek, they seemed to set him up as some sort of large villian for the Reality bomb thing, but in reality he rarely makes an appearence and when you think he is about to do something, the doctor shows up and he explodes.
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Great job again you already know the question I'm going to ask but can I also use this design in my film?
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I actually don't mind some of the aspects of this design; the clamps DO look a bit silly, but I think they'd look MUCH better if they were toned down a bit, and only had them on the sides and back.
Actually, I'm thinking of adding this variation's three dome-lights and clamps (with the previously mentioned modifications) to my own concept of a Paradigm Supreme (black and gold, by the way; not white). Any advice you could give me on some other features I could add?
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Hmm. I've often thought it makes sense for the Supreme to have a bigger fender - maybe to imply some inbuilt Transmat capability or something of the kind. Beyond that, I've never really liked adding extra bits to the normal Dalek shape, so I don't think I can offer much in the way of advice.
I do agree that the clamps could look good if they were toned down, though. May have to try incorporating something like it into a future design.
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The clamps open up and allow direct interface with battle computers and ship's systems... just thought I'd say.
I really like all your daleks but I have a weakness for red on the old armor plated pepper-pots. Glad you got rid of the blocks on the head, they're what let down the original for me.
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I knew the clams were intended as an interface of some sort, but I just cannot see them opening. There's no mechanical means, not at face value...they're too fixed. It's not just the lack of hinge, it's how they merge with the ring section. Hmm...perhaps I should try and work out how to model it!
Glad you like it though! I'm quite partial to a red Dalek myself...
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My theory:
The red Supreme can open its rings and clamps to interface.Β
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Still, not as inelegant as the paradigm Daleks (in my opinion). But still, I don't know what those clamps on it's neck are for, they seem unnecessary.
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They do, don't they?
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I don't know what they were thinking with this design. As you say, it's inelegant.
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It has, truth be told, grown on me over time, but I still keep finding it awkward. As I said in response to an earlier comment, it's not that the idea is bad, as that the execution is lacking and hamstrung by having to fit in with the Dalek shape, which is really awkward when it comes to adding extra bits!
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It really is impossible to hide the fact that this design was just a repainted Time War Dalek with bits stuck on it. I know the designer waffled on about being inspired by Sputnik or some such guff but it always made me think of the cage around a champagne cork, and that if this Dalek got too excited its head might pop off!
Still, however low your opinion of the design might be - and let's face it, there's absolutely nothing this Dalek was called upon to do that a standard Black Dalek or even reused TPotW Emperor couldn't have done - you have still given it your customarily excellent reinterpretation.
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The idea of a Dalek acting a bit like a bottle of bubbly is far too amusing an image - and given their propensity for getting a bit excited might not be so far from the truth!
I'm glad it turned out ok - I did rather rush through building it. As you say, it could just as well been a Black Dalek in the show. That said, I do understand that they were trying to make it a bit more exciting - and in fairness, it's not a bad concept to have those prongs/clamps or something like them incorporated into the design. Unfortunately, the Dalek shape really doesn't lend itself to something like that...
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To be fair, i think they made it red to distinguish it more from Dalek sec, the only black dalek in newwho at that point, the clamps are a bit overbearing though, probally would of looked better if they were like the clamps on your imperial supremeΒ
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As I said in another thread, surprisingly it does look better with a more traditional black-and-silver paint job. The clumsiness of the design is really not helped by the comparative garishness of the Iron Man colour scheme! And I think that's the problem... there's no obvious reason for the "clamps". The bobblehead Emperor has a big head because he's brainy, the Evil Emperor is the way it is because it acts as a central storage/processing unit for the entire Empire; the Time Controller Dalek, the Special Weapons Dalek, even the fairly silly Psyche Dalek all have obvious reasons behind their physical deviations from the Dalek norm. This design exists apparently just to differentiate it from other Daleks, which is rather odd in a race of ultra-conformists, and could have been done simply by painting a standard Dalek red and leaving it otherwise unmodified anyway. It's an unsatisfying design because there's no reason for it and rather than improving the appearance it looks cumbersome and tacked on. I think that ties in to why I don't like the TPotW's see-through mutant tank. They don't do things because it's "cool", they do things because it's functional and works. This Dalek is trying to look cool and therefore it fails.
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I think you've got it, there. Even if you assume that they are some sort of interface devices, we never actually saw it interfacing with anything.
As you say, it's an odd thing to see in a race of conformists - they don't do differences that serve no purpose.
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So, you pull it of. You made Red Supreme Dalek from New Dalek Empire era.
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An excellent point!
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Yeah, what kind of idiot would ask for THIS type of Dalek... *hides face in shame*
Its a good model though, faithful to the original.
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Thanks - I wouldn't say it was an idiot. I understand that you'd want an impressive focal point for the Daleks...but the end results could have been better!
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Looking at this Dalek I dudenly got an idea for another Dalek design.
Well manly his head. A Dalek with a spaceship ovel like head, held up by 4 rods from his chest, one on each side of his body. The top & botom of the ovel is stasionary wile the mid section moves around with an eye piece, & one hlogen speaking lamp that stretches from the eye piece, around the head back to the eye.
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Sounds interesting. What would it be for?
In any case, I'd be interested in seeing it drawn up proper, like!
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of corse you can also add your personal 3d touch to this idea
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Heres the drawing & info 
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by the way, who said it was the same dalek as the one at the gates of elysium? that was a dalek prime, if it is even canon at all.
i'm not trying to be rude, btw.
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Well, I'm just working from what was said in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, where it's not mentioned where the Supreme Dalek came from, or who was in charge during the battle of Elysium (or, indeed, what that battle was for/like). I chose the simplest explanation, which is that the Supreme Dalek was already present on the spaceship as some sort of command level Dalek, and then fit it in with my previous description of the black Supreme Dalek(s).
As far as I know, there's nothing in canon - or even extended universe - about who was at that battle, or what was on Davros' ship beside himself. Dalek Tales is, after all, a fan production not an official product and I chose not to base my work on it.
And it wouldn't be hard to redo this Supreme in black and silver, I just don't have any particular will to do so...as I say, I don't like it very much!
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That seems the most logical explanation, simply because Davros wasn't in command of the Daleks during The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. When he created the Necros/Imperial Daleks, he was careful to make them completely obedient, and if he'd had the option, he surely would have done the same to the ones in the Medusa Cascade. Presumably the Time War Daleks had retrieved/resurrected Davros to use as a resource, in much the same way that the Time Lords resurrected the Master. And probably with similar misgivings!
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And it was a relief that Davros was subordinated in that way. Once Davros came onto the scene in the 1970 and 1980s, the Daleks seemed to be reduced to not-very-bright robots shrieking, "My vision is impaired! I have PMT! Warning! Warning!" and blowing up for no readily apparent reason. There seems to be a lot of fan dislike for John Peel's War of the Daleks, and he certainly took a lot of liberties with canon and the Dalek hierarchy, but I loved it (and his Chase/Master Plan novelisations) for showing the Daleks as devious, resourceful, competent and highly intelligent again. His plot twist with the Movellans might have flown in the face of continuity, but the fate of Antalin was the Dalek race as it should be - pursuing pure genocidal evil, but with intellect and a carefully calculated long-term plan.
One of the things I love about your Dalek history is that it's showing the Daleks as a race that's growing, evolving, and developing on its own. As the Doctor said to Davros, the Daleks *can* do all that perfectly well for themselves
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They can indeed - and that's what Master Plan, Power and Evil show, Peel's novelisations or not. My overriding problem with War of the Daleks is (aside from being shakily written) that its sole point seems to be to overrule Remembrance of the Daleks. The plan itself is perfect Dalek - overcomplicated and devious!
Also, I agree wholeheartedly about Davros' position in the Time War. He might have been useful to the Daleks but there was no way they were going to turn their backs on him. He'd have totally dominated a bunch of drones - you'd need at least a Black Dalek to keep an eyestick on him...
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oh, would it be THAT hard to change the red to black and gold to silver to make it the dalek prime?
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You know, I've thought about it a bit more and I think I can do this for you, along with a batch of NSDs in movie Dalek colours I've got planned. As I'll be copying the file to whip up those colours schemes, I might as well do this design in black and silver for you at the same time!
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