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It's a touch shoddy, I know, one of the first times I've animated a stamp so some slack should be given.Anyway, this is to all those people who hate the "don't resell without asking me", "don't claim the design as your own", etc phrases on adoptables that cost money or points. (This stamp doesn't apply to draw to adopt, free adopts, and gifted characters, although the last one semi-applies almost).
Now hear me out here first before raging or getting upset.
8 out of 10 adoptables are just coloured lineart.
4 out of those 8 are either plain coloured or texture-filled on Gimp or Photoshop.
9 out of 10 are using another's base/lineart.
8 out of 10 original linearts are recycled again and again.
5 out of 10 are made using traced movie/anime bases.
7 out of 10 are made using copyrighted lineart such as Bambi, Pokemon, Digimon, etc. Those will never be 100% anyone's and shouldn't even be allowed to be sold as adoptables.
3 out of 10 don't credit the original lineart's creator.
3-4 out of 10 are made using lineart either obtained from Google images or lineart specifically saying not to use for personal profit.
Etc
Plain and simple. You bought it, you own it. Not the style or the object's creation, but like a pair of shoes you have a right to do whatever you want with it if you have paid for it.
Your adoptable is pretty alike with a bought pair of shoes:
You can paint them, change their looks, change the shape, tear pieces off, burn them, change what they're like, etc.
Credit them for the design once, but it is YOURS now and no longer theirs. You paid for it so it belongs to you.
You can't repost the actual image without good reason but you can draw your adoptable all you want and it's even more yours that way, more you draw it, the more it's in your style and changes, added on parts, personality, clothing, etc are shown.
/see below paragraph for what I mean/When you purchase an adoptable you get an appearance and occasionally a gender. Without changing those things look at what the buyer adds: Personality, family, name, backstory, age, gender(sometimes), friends, likes, dislikes, hobbies, clothing(sometimes), hair(sometimes), nicknames, jobs(sometimes), and additional things as well.
Who brings more to the table there? Sounds like 75-90% of the character in my opinion.
I don't want to hear any "points aren't money so they didn't technically buy it" arguments. Points cost money and are Deviantart currency they all have a monetary value and worth even if they are only usable on DA, they still count as currency.
"You gave me an empty shell and I add everything but the looks"
Not entirely true, I can buy a normal cat adopt, make it anthro, give it hair, clothes, super powers, etc. I should have said "You give me a basic idea to build and mold. What I make from it is entirely mine." instead. Might have to go back and fix that now.
#Edit#: Fixed it and made the stamp more centered and decent. #Edit 2# Slowed the speed down so it's easier to read, sorry for it being that fast, it's better now. 
The only real exceptions here is,
1. if THEY created the species/creature and it's not just a lineart recolour and is something THEY created and THEY own, then THEY have every right to set rules, get credited on each pic, etc!
2. if they make their own individual different lineart per each adoptable; two adoptables, or they make very stylized and detailed edits to a lineart[be it theirs or someone else's] they use, thus creating more detailed and unique adopts that offer more variety.
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-I don't say my dog is from the pound/kennel/etc
-I don't say my shoes are from the shoe store
-I don't say my eyes are from my mom
-I don't say my DvDs are from Walmart
-I don't say the chips are from IGA
These are things I'd tell if people wanted to know about something or asked a question that had to do with those things.
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You have a right to your opinion, just like I do, we may not agree but that shouldn't mean we need to fight over things. Friendly debates are alright though.
Also, read the comments in case you wanna read more/see if something you'd like to address or question is discussed. Lots of information and perspectives being exchanged there.
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Yep, especially since designs change with style and skill. A bucket-filled cheetah can look massively different with a new art style, unrecognizable even.
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Reminds me of a deal i was once offered...
He basically offered to sell me HALF the rights to the adoptable character I wanted, his reasoning being "I created this character, so I'm still entitled to her even though she's yours now!"
Seriously, that's not how it works.
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Yep. You buy it, you own it, with few exceptions to that line.
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Gotta keep an eye out for the "caveat emptor" stuff.
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Caveat Emptor means "Buyer Beware". Gotta check and make sure the purchase has no strings attached like there were in my case.
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I gotta stop using latin terminology.
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Whoops, finger slipped, didn't mean to comment so early. Β Anyway
You don't go around saying, "These Danskin shoes are from Walmart!" every time you put them on. Β As a retailer, you can't say "Oh yes, you can buy these shoes but you can't customize them, burn them, rip them, change the laces, or anything else and you HAVE TO WEAR THEM the day after you buy them and everyday after!" Β That's just the way economy is!
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Yes.Β
If you adopt a dog you don't say where you got it everytime someone sees it, you can change the dog's food, bedding, etc. Start calling it by a new name, teach it new tricks, change the collar, give it new outfits or dress it up -just as long as the clothes don't stress it out-, heck you can even use non-harmful dyes on the dog's fur(so long as it's not bothered by it). If you're not hurting it, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Exactly! Β Once you've bought something, it's yours to do whatever you wish with it (as long as "whatever you wish" isn't illegal). Β I mean, as far as pets go, you wouldn't want to sell the animal again if it's been through a lot, and you might want to let the original owner know (some people like to say another goodbye, like if the person from whom the animal was bought was attached but couldn't take care of it), but you're free to if it's now yours! Β Adopts are pretty much the same way. Β I mean, I've never bought an adopt (although on Flipnote a while back I won a couple of designs and have since forgotten about them until today, and I regret not downloading that Flipnote to use them), so I may not be an expert, but I know that much.
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Well, technically the "whatever you wish isn't illegal" includes terms of sale.
So if the seller / creator says you can not redistribute their work, or it can only be reproduced or altered under certain circumstances... Then buying the item is an agreement of contractual terms. Making breaking the terms grounds for potential legal action.
Well bred animals and animals placed through rescues and shelters, for example, often have "terms of sale" attached to their sale or adoption. Including terms of first refusal, agreement not to resell or abandon, breeding terms, restrictions and limitations, health guarantees, basic care agreements, ect.Β
And while you can buy a pair of shoes and customize the tar out of them, you can't buy a pair of shoes and reproduce them in full to market and sell as your own design. Β (which would include people making and selling custom art of copyrighted or trademarked characters, technically... Like the bambi & anime traces mentioned. Those should not be sold...)
Easiest thing to do is simply ask the artist for an exception to terms or pass over their work. Some artist with restrictions and limitations do it simply as a precaution, I've come across many who make exceptions when someone simply respects them enough to ask nicely.
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"Well bred animals and animals placed through rescues and shelters, for example, often have "terms of sale" attached to their sale or adoption. Including terms of first refusal, agreement not to resell or abandon, breeding terms, restrictions and limitations, health guarantees, basic care agreements, ect. "
But unless they check up on you like a paranoid person or someone who hovers over you after they've parted with the animal, you can give away or resell the animal. People do it. People move state or abandon due to reasons or just callous-ness.
"And while you can buy a pair of shoes and customize the tar out of them, you can't buy a pair of shoes and reproduce them in full to market and sell as your own design. Β (which would include people making and selling custom art of copyrighted or trademarked characters, technically... Like the bambi & anime traces mentioned. Those should not be sold...)"
Tech this thing with shoes has been proven wrong, check out Etsy, they do it with shoes and some big name people make thousands off retouched decorated shoes.Β
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*random person who comes along and sees this*
EXACTLY! Β You don't go around say
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I can't stand people with 864327423 lines of 'dos and don'ts' on their adopts. I have a journal entry saying this somewhere on my main account.
Well said, hun. I'm glad more people understand this common logic.
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I can't stand the ones who are all "If I find out you didn't draw it/you changed the design I will take it back no refunds"
for real? They won't even tell someone they'll just put it up for adoption and leave you to not know you took too long to draw it after paying? Possessive much people?
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I know! God, it's awful! I adopt a lot, but I don't always have the time to draw everything I adopt every three seconds.
Some of the worst are "Don't breed", "don't resell", and "don't change ANYTHING". First off, if I bought it, I can make it screw and have babies with an orange if I wanted it to. 
Besides, they have like, no right to say "don't change" if they use someone else's lineart. Then we'd have millions of multi-colored clones running around.
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Here's my opinion on those ones.
Don't breed: Well you want me to castrate/spay the little guy/girl now? I can't let it have babies? So that means if it's raped(going into dangerous territory here but some people use their characters for stories like this) that it must have abortion forced upon it? Does that mean if it ever falls in love it isn't allowed to experience parenthood? I know they're just fictional creations to some, but I know people who get attached to their characters so much they make a family out of them. Plus when a character is a group project[I know friends who co-write, co-own, and co-plot things] a whole cacophony of things can happen including children.
If one was just breeding for points that would be different as that rarely makes a profit anyway nowadays people want designs out front not mystery patterns.
Don't Resell: Well after several months or years of using this character and possibly putting hudreds of hours into stories, design, art, etc. we're supposed to leave it to rot? Some people do that, have characters for two or three years and then sell them. Who's going to care after you've spent days and days of time on it anyway? It's yours
Don't change anything: This one pisses me off the most. Because as we have a character things will happen. It will get scars, tattoos, contacts to change its eye colours. It will age, become scruffier or lose a limb. Crap will change no matter what. It will gain/lose things as it matures. There was this one anal person who bitched when people changed the shade of their adoptables. I am not going to have to use the color dropper tool just to draw a damn cat to their "no changes" rule especially on something that ridicules.
Change them to your hearts content, maybe keep the colour and species but otherwise add on, make changes, they got their payment, it's ours now!
Agreed entirely.
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^This comment has so much truth.
I completely agree with everything you just said. Kudos for being logical.
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Thank you for understanding my message as well. I know some haven't grasped it and it can be tricky for some people out there.
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Some people think their designs are golden copyrighted as soon as they make them. I wonder how many people know that a design isn't even "theirs" until they purchase a copyright on it...? Legally, if you don't have a copyright on a design, it's fair game [which can suck].
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Technically copyright is instantaneous, but not entirely legal, but there's tons of similar products and things one cannot copyright. The design has to be 100% the same anyway. Plus when one is selling a design then it's sort of supposed to not be theirs later on anyway.
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I've done some research on it myself, and it's actually something you need to purchase [$35USD]. That's why the whole Facebook thing didn't work out for the two who "actually" made it, and they only got a little money rather than the full program. They didn't have a copyright on it, therefore, had no proof it was theirs [I don't know all that much about the whole Facebook thing, but that's the bottom line of the story, from what I've learned].
The rest of what you said I agree with.
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That makes a lot of sense actually.
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I agree with this. c: I tend to change my adoptables I buy little by little the longer I have them, but I always give the original creator credit at least once somewhere. While they did come up with the original design, you bought it, and it is now yours to do as you please. You should only give credit once, and that's it. c:
Awesome stamp, been wanting to find something like this. 
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So glad to know more people like me wanted a stamp like this to exist.
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Just one thing..
In adoptables, they sell a design, not a lineart. All your.. arguments? Points? seemed to be about linearts..
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Not entirely, I'm mainly directed at designs not lineart. But if they use the same lineart then why do they have rights to the design if it's less effort put in and we still buy it. The lineart is what holds the design.
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Hmm. I see. But if the animal is, by anatomy, just a normal cat, wolf, dog or whatever, then it's not the lineart that matters, in that case it's only there to show where is which color located and what species it is.
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Yes, but this stamp and everything written in its description is all focused on designs being bought -be they with lineart another made or not- and then the person saying that others can't change anything on what they adopted, having to credit the design on every picture drawn rather a few times, or the bought design be taken back without refund if the rules(mainly the ones on crediting and no changes whatsoever) are broken or the character isn't drawn within a time limit after adoption.
My arguments aren't about lineart it's about the fact that if I, my friends, or anyone else pays money or points(which cost money) for a design they should have every right to own it.
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Oh, I get it.
Still, these little things would be nice to follow, if not anything else..
And I wouldn't like it if someone adopted something from me and then they turned it into something not even like what it originally was. Small changes are fine, but bigger changes.. Well, if someone is so unhappy with their adopted character they want to make any bigger changes, they could just make their own design, the way they like it. And they wouldn't have to credit it, nor pay for it.
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Well crediting for the design that was bought shouldn't have to be done every time. Also small changes are what I'm referring to, adding hair, changing a few markings or fixing a marking's position, those sort of things. There are people who forbid that entirely. Which is so annoying given that the person has paid for it and they already profited why pressure the person even more?
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Well, if it's a marking that takes a lot of space, it kind of becomes a big change.
I also consider adding, changing or removing hair quite a big change. Well.. at least semi-big..
But yeah. If someone asks, you say who they are from, it's nice to say it in description, but not like it's a must if the character is yours, even if it used to be from someone else. Exception maybe if someone gave you/let you adopt a character they have had and used for a long time, then it might be a good idea to say you got it from them.
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Yeah.
Depends on if they had any or not I would suppose.
Yes, there are exceptions to things, and if they're old characters that counts as one too.
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I know what you mean about the 'reusing linearts' or making fan-characters into adoptables thing, it's just annoying. If someone's paying for something, even if it's a couple of quid, have the respect to make it something unique and not exactly the same as what the next person just paid for. XD
I've only done a few adoptables but I do have a disclaimer on them that asks people not to say they designed the whole character from scratch, because I made the basic design. They don't have to credit me every single time they draw them, especially if they change the design a lot - which they're welcome to since they paid for it - but I don't think they should say they designed it from scratch if I did.
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Plus you got your money/points so them changing the design a lot doesn't mean you weren't paid for it.
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What a mess... I think I'll stick to simple commissions. At least the lines are clear where the copyright lies there.
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The thing I say on my adoptables is 'No credit needed, though don't claim you designed it youself' which only comes up if people asked. It's like buying an ipod then telling people you created the ipod, you get what I mean? If they change the design, fair enough.
That part's mainly because my adoptables are my own species. I gave up making wolf designs.
I draw all my adoptables now by hand, I request they don't use my art if reselling them; they have to re-draw them themselves. They bought the design, not my art, if that makes sense?
I let people have free liberty with it other then that. Chasing people up because they haven't put my icon in the artist's description every time would take up my life ._.
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Fun fact;
I bought a little robotic dinosaur from a toy shop, and in the instruction manual, it said that if we edit the dinosaur in the slightest (for example; tweak it to give it a different noise) They will apparently go to your house and take it off you, and maybe even sue you 
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I've had toys that say things like that in manuals, like "We know every secret you say" or "This cat will sneak back home if it is ever abused" on a plushie's tag.
That dino one sounds so bad arse.
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You take your waffles out of Ihop? How odd.
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There's such a thing as a to-go box.
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Honestly, I would never buy an adoptable from somebody with those stipulations. Now, I don't agree with people buying designs to turn around and resell an idea that wasn't theirs (unless they sell it for less than they payed for it). People have some crazy ass rules for characters that are normally pretty generic anyway (such as an emo black and red wolf with scene hair)
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I never understood why it went from people having 100% control once they buy them to some people becoming control freaks or making such steep limitations like that. It sucks a lot of fun out of the entire thing plus if the designs look great but a few tweaks would make drawing them easier it's just a pain.
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I haven't adopted an adoptable from someone like that either.
And I have adopted over 100 characters.
But I do say that I adopted from the person who I did on the refrence sheet if anyone is intrested in a good design.
I agree with you 100%
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They exist sadly.
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