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It's a touch shoddy, I know, one of the first times I've animated a stamp so some slack should be given.Anyway, this is to all those people who hate the "don't resell without asking me", "don't claim the design as your own", etc phrases on adoptables that cost money or points. (This stamp doesn't apply to draw to adopt, free adopts, and gifted characters, although the last one semi-applies almost).
Now hear me out here first before raging or getting upset.
8 out of 10 adoptables are just coloured lineart.
4 out of those 8 are either plain coloured or texture-filled on Gimp or Photoshop.
9 out of 10 are using another's base/lineart.
8 out of 10 original linearts are recycled again and again.
5 out of 10 are made using traced movie/anime bases.
7 out of 10 are made using copyrighted lineart such as Bambi, Pokemon, Digimon, etc. Those will never be 100% anyone's and shouldn't even be allowed to be sold as adoptables.
3 out of 10 don't credit the original lineart's creator.
3-4 out of 10 are made using lineart either obtained from Google images or lineart specifically saying not to use for personal profit.
Etc
Plain and simple. You bought it, you own it. Not the style or the object's creation, but like a pair of shoes you have a right to do whatever you want with it if you have paid for it.
Your adoptable is pretty alike with a bought pair of shoes:
You can paint them, change their looks, change the shape, tear pieces off, burn them, change what they're like, etc.
Credit them for the design once, but it is YOURS now and no longer theirs. You paid for it so it belongs to you.
You can't repost the actual image without good reason but you can draw your adoptable all you want and it's even more yours that way, more you draw it, the more it's in your style and changes, added on parts, personality, clothing, etc are shown.
/see below paragraph for what I mean/When you purchase an adoptable you get an appearance and occasionally a gender. Without changing those things look at what the buyer adds: Personality, family, name, backstory, age, gender(sometimes), friends, likes, dislikes, hobbies, clothing(sometimes), hair(sometimes), nicknames, jobs(sometimes), and additional things as well.
Who brings more to the table there? Sounds like 75-90% of the character in my opinion.
I don't want to hear any "points aren't money so they didn't technically buy it" arguments. Points cost money and are Deviantart currency they all have a monetary value and worth even if they are only usable on DA, they still count as currency.
"You gave me an empty shell and I add everything but the looks"
Not entirely true, I can buy a normal cat adopt, make it anthro, give it hair, clothes, super powers, etc. I should have said "You give me a basic idea to build and mold. What I make from it is entirely mine." instead. Might have to go back and fix that now.
#Edit#: Fixed it and made the stamp more centered and decent. #Edit 2# Slowed the speed down so it's easier to read, sorry for it being that fast, it's better now. 
The only real exceptions here is,
1. if THEY created the species/creature and it's not just a lineart recolour and is something THEY created and THEY own, then THEY have every right to set rules, get credited on each pic, etc!
2. if they make their own individual different lineart per each adoptable; two adoptables, or they make very stylized and detailed edits to a lineart[be it theirs or someone else's] they use, thus creating more detailed and unique adopts that offer more variety.
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-I don't say my dog is from the pound/kennel/etc
-I don't say my shoes are from the shoe store
-I don't say my eyes are from my mom
-I don't say my DvDs are from Walmart
-I don't say the chips are from IGA
These are things I'd tell if people wanted to know about something or asked a question that had to do with those things.
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You have a right to your opinion, just like I do, we may not agree but that shouldn't mean we need to fight over things. Friendly debates are alright though.
Also, read the comments in case you wanna read more/see if something you'd like to address or question is discussed. Lots of information and perspectives being exchanged there.
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If you bought it, legally it's yours and there's nothing stopping you from doing what you want with it. I can buy a Picasso (Theoretically, 
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Oh thank you 
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So...if I drew adoptables that were unique and not just generic sparklewoof buttfuckery, is it okay for people to resell them or not? I'm confused.
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It's not the reselling part really. It's if you made them, someone purchased them, and your rules were all "You cannot change the design at all", "you must credit me on every drawing", "If you don't do those things I'll take it back, no refunds or anything".
Pretty much if you are saying that despite me -or anyone else- paying for the adoptable it cannot be changed, tweaked, or even drawn without crediting you each time and I can't like give it hair, change a few markings, maybe tweak eye colour, otherwise you'll take it back because I broke the "don't change the design at all" rule.
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Now THAT's silly. Who DOES that?
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Many people, not all of the ones that sell adoptables, but some do. I could understand if it was their species, then crediting them every time and not changing a lot would make sense, but we're talking normal cat lineart adopts and so on in some cases. It's really annoying to me because it makes buying them feel like a waste yet some of the designs are so good and could become epic with tweaking.
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I must agree.
I am a hand drawn adoptable seller. I draw everything by hand, color it in pencils, and about 2-5 hours go into each one. I feel, because I've put that much time and process into it, that I should get design rights. Yes, they may be based off f my little pony, but I draw them myself.
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It's actually a bit nice to have a person who does commissions and sells their designs to agree with my stamp. I didn't expect that to happen, it's really a pleasant surprise. :3
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You don't really see it often x3
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I would have to disagree; you don't say you bought your shoes from the shoe store, but you would say "my shoes are Vans (or whatever brand/designer they are)." The credit isn't so much for who you bought it from, but who designed it. You wouldn't go around telling people you designed your shoes, and you shouldn't go around claiming that the character design is yours if you didn't actually design it. But that's just my opinion :)
However, I do agree that you should be able to change the design or add anything to it that you want to, since it is in your possession and you should be able to do what you want.
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I never bring up my shoe brand/designs unless buying new ones. It's braggish almost and seems a bit too impolite unless people are asking since, "I got these sketchers from Walmmart" then the response, "Well I got these (insert more expensive brand here) from the mall.
Also some would go around telling them they designed them if they painted, dyed, coloured, modified, etc them because they'd still be shoes only shoes that were now modified and made more unique and some people even sell redesigned, broken in, worn-looking shoes because they've been changed so much they're almost unrecognizable.
I said they can be credited once, but the people who demand credit on every picture, don't allow any changes at all, say if you do change them they'll take the adopts back no refunds are the main ones focused on here.
Plus in the description I mention that all the things people add(without changing gender or design) over weighs the design provided to a fair extent if people get creative.
Glad that you agree with some part instead of none.
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It's a little hard to compare, though. You aren't bragging about buying a design from someone like you would brag about buying shoes. I bought these 300$ Lidas vs. I bought these 20$ Sketchers is barely comparable to I bought this design vs. I bought that design.
If you look at shoes, and most clothing for that matter, they do have a form of "credit" on them, such as logos or brand names (such as a little seagull for Hollister, or Converse's star on their shoes). So you don't really have to go around "bragging" or giving credit to the clothing designers, because they sort of credit themself on their product. For that reason, I don't think it's a comparable topic, as the logos an labels are somewhat mandatory when buying shoes, where the artists expect you to be courteous and give them their credit after buying their product.
And as much as I agree that you should be able to change the designs you buy, I'm not sure why you would spend the money/points on a design that you are going to change so much that it's barely recognizable. But I never buy designs, so I'm not sure how to whole process works, and I may be a little misinformed.
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True, but it's a similar process. You purchase it, it becomes yours, often an unwatermarked/full size copy is linked to you or noted along with occasionally a e-mailed picture. Some people even mail them if they're cash adopts. It's more when the lineart is just recoloured or such that I'm referring to. Although watermarks are a lot like logos as they are the "this belongs to this person" device commonly used, and almost every lineart either has a small watermark or a signature/username on it, which sort of relates to the redesigning sneakers thing. You can recolour lineart but it's still that person's. Unless of course it's traced.
"When you purchase an adoptable you get an appearance and occasionally a gender. Without changing those things look at what the buyer adds: Personality, family, name, backstory, age, gender(sometimes), friends, likes, dislikes, hobbies, clothing(sometimes), hair(sometimes), nicknames, jobs(sometimes), and additional things as well."
I had to quote that part of the description for a reason, sorry 'bout that, need it for my example. I needed to use the list.
External changes: hair, clothing(sometimes), gender(if it's not specified), jobs -given that they affect the character's build or look(coal miner being dirty or a gladiator with scars or bandages)-.
Personal, identity, or internal changes: Family, name, backstory, likes, dislikes, hobbies, friends, nicknames.
Almost all of that is not towards the design, it is towards the development of the character. I know people who like to rearrange spots, move markings, reduce the number of stripes, etc on adoptables. Small tweaks or changes to make drawing and developing the adopted character easier.
Say there's a striped character, and it has some stripes over it's eyes that make them stand out less, moving the stripes under the eyes or to the sides if not removing them for the sake of the character having a bit less of a cluttered look to it. Or maybe take a spotted character that has a overly complex spot pattern and make it more organized or give their eye colour some tweaking if it clashes with their fur colour.
There are some people who blatantly state "you may not change any part of the design at all" or "No changes to the design is allowed, you can add clothes but you may not change anything once it is yours" and that makes stuff like that trickier or just painful at times.
Think of a person really. I can change their outfits, their hairstyle/length, give them contacts or glasses, maybe dye their hair, possibly have them get a tattoo, put jewelry on them, and a few other things. But that's not changing the skin colour, the build they have, how they talk, walk, etc. They're still themselves only with small things added on. The main part of them stays things are just put on or added to their normal look.
That's what I'm talking about. Not changing the design as a whole, just changing small things or adding on.
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lol sorry for replying twice, but I meant to address this, too:
"You can recolour lineart but it's still that person's."
I don't see how this is any different from a design? You can alter the design, "but it's still that person's."
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Well that would contradict your "But you aren't buying the line art, you are buying the design..." line, since I wouldn't be buying the lineart, just the design. Also I would be buying the outside, which often could be a plain brown with white toes or so on, it could be a design that is impossible to replicate.
For example here's a design: [link] Now I find it interesting, the horn(s) look so unique and the extra eyes look amazing, but the "Happy birthday" text all over it looks awfully tedious to put on it unless someone knows how to acquire that font, mass type it, angle it and layer it in Photoshop or Gimp. But see the blurry/broken patches of text on its legs? More details that just become hard to replicate every time one tries to draw it or even commissions other people to draw. As is the blending tones giving it a tie-dyed look add up to over eight colours and can be tricky to do if one isn't sure how to at first. Everything else is okay. If I was to have that custom I'd probably remove the breaks in the lettering -or, even better- blur or break the letters up more, so it's not as defined. Give it more of a white mottled look than defined entirely clear letters.
Yet some people even after being paid money would not allow that at all.
As for the design. When someone buys the only copy of a painting yes it's still that person's art, but like little over half of everyone that sells designs says, "once you purchase it, it's yours, no need to credit me or anything, it's not mine, I sold it". There's just those occasional people though.
Plenty of lineart that has been put in storage, made small with a huge watermark preventing people from using it, deleted, removed, etc because they're tired of people using it is still used without their permission.
There's also some that specifically say not to be used to make Warriors cat fan characters that people use anyway. Along with lineart that specifically says don't use or sell for profit that is used nonetheless.
Lineart is free if you follow the rules, but there's always those people don't always even try to do that, yet expect others to follow their entirely.
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I don't see how I am contradicting myself? And I have already said that I agree you should be able to edit and change designs slightly to whatever suits you.
Now, I feel as though this is getting way off topic from why I originally commented.
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But you aren't buying the line art, you are buying the design... which I guess is why I never understood the whole problem with re-using line art for adoptables, but I guess, once again, that's just my opinion.
And the artist can credit themself on things they create, such as line art or their own drawings, but they can't credit themself on drawings you do of the character/design, that's up to you to do, which is why they often ask for the credit.
And I get what you mean, but its more so that the character is yours, but the design is the original artist. You design and create the character, which incorperates the design, but the artist is still the one who created the design... if that makes sense.
And, like I said, I think it's silly not to let the buyer change small aspects of the design, so I agree with you there. I get what you mean about adding on hair, accessories, etc.
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Yet some of them will still send you the unwatermarked version of the design despite all that. Some don't even credit the makers of the lineart.
Also, not all ask, some DEMAND credit. Not once, but on every picture of the character you draw even if it's with other people's lineart.
The problem with re-using it mainly is an issue when the lineart is copyrighted or traced lineart. When people profit from traced images of Scar, Simba, and Nala from The Lion King, Bambi traces, Digimon and Pokemon traces, etc. DA has a
Another main problem that can arise is when it's pretty much paint bucket filled in and has so little effort put into it yet there's a few good details that could be salvaged. Like fixing crooked lines and so on.
The whole lineart thing is really complicated since a lot of things add up in the end and also there's a lot of different kinds that each have rules or limitations.
Yeah, I was just saying that because you said why get it to change it completely which was not the message I wanted to convey, I wanted to get the whole "Even small things aren't allowed" when the lineart's not even theirs most of the time. It irks me how controlling some people are over the designs they sell why sell them if there's no real dress-up o personalizing sort of joy to go along with them for the customer, plus some act like the character will be theirs because one can't add any personal touches to it?
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In the end, it really is the sellers choice. If they want you to keep the design 100% in tact, with no edits, I think you should respect that. And if you disagree with their policy, move on and don't buy from them.
We both have our different opinions, and if we were to sell adoptables, we would clearly have two different policies that I hope everyone would be able to obey and respect.
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To some extent I can tolerate it, I just find the fact most people who sell don't do it and it's mainly the extreme or immature people who get possessive or demanding. But yes, respecting them is an obvious choice, I just find it hard with the extreme ones.
Yes, true. We'll agree to disagree.
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I'm happy to know there's others that feel this way.
I spent weeks looking for a stamp -any stamp- that even had a slight message similar to that. Sort of sad that none were made until mine. At least as far as I could find.
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yea
i could never find one, and was too lazy to make one, aha
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I hate it when I can find fifty stamps about OCs or advertising point commissions but none that actually say things like this.
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Yes, please slow the animation a little more for those of us who are slow.
I'm familiar with lineart, but I hadn't heard of adoptables. In the 70s you could buy poster kits which consisted of lineart and markers. The lineart would have been created by a commercial artist on staff at the poster kit company. But since no one attempted to sell, claim artistic credit and so on for coloured posters, there was no issue. Colouring, whether it's a poster kit, paint-by-numbers or 'adoptable' is just good fun. It's very unlikely to result anything with artistic merit. In order to do so the coloured piece would have to take the original lineart in a whole new direction and make some sort of novel approach or statement with it. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.
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I'm slowing it down a bit more still, I want it to be more legible as well.
Nowadays lineart is something people make which you can copy/save to your computer and use a fill bucket or a digital editor to texture and then it's sold for points(this site's fictional currency) or even real money. It's felt rather like too much of a scam when you get pretty much a design that is made with the same lineart as hundreds of others. Think of it like those linearts you mentioned were each coloured individual colours. One yellow, one blue, one green, etc. And each one was being sold for five dollars. It's the same as everyone elses only a different colour and no guarantee there's not dozens like it.
But with these linearts, some people try to say every picture of them you draw should credit them for the design or that you can't change the design you bought/now own.
Even though buying it would make it yours and you should have every right to add or remove whatever you please.
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It's kind of ironic to get lineart for free, colour it, sell it and then try to prevent someone else from re-colouring your coloured version. The colourers are trying to make colouring of more value than designing. If I buy house and paint it inside and out, so that it looks really nice, anyone who buys that house can paint it black or some ugly colour, but neither she nor I was the architect. I think the fun of this colouring lineart thing comes of people circulating them and adding their personal touch, so that it becomes a sort of colouring/design meme. So these sellers claiming rights are killjoys. And of course nowhere in the real life art world of exhibitions and galleries, could I sell anything with non-original-to-me content, with the exception of forms of collage and found art (and in these cases the borrowed material would have to be altered and elevated to have artistic merit).
Anyhow all of this is very interesting. If you were a member of TheControvery, you could write a blog on this subject (which you could send to me or the group in a note) and I would post it for discussion.
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Often they do it with copyrighted things. Pokemon, Digimon, My Little Pony, etc. They make money or points off of recoloured versions of famous characters like Pikachu or Twilight Sparkle. How people profiting like that is allowed but people making Pokemon, pony, or Digimon plushies and selling them online will get "cease and desist" warnings for breaking copyright terms makes me annoyed.
I'll assume it's because points and a few bucks on a site like this one isn't as much of a "big deal" to companies as people tracing screenshots, paint bucket filling them and selling them cheap. Doesn't change the wrongness of it all, nor the fact Deviantart has a "traced base" category.
I am aware that FCs or fan characters are perfectly legal to take points and money for but copyrighted characters are not, but colouring traced and stolen lineart is theft, no matter how many people tell me that pointing out traced bases is like pointing out a fish in the water. Well, if that fish isn't supposed to be there and can damage things with time it should matter to some people. Seems most people only notice issues when it is bad not when it could be confronted and nipped in the bud.
I agree with you entirely on the real world art market. You can paint parodies of Mona Lisa and maybe sell them, or you can trace art/copy other people's styles and get cash out of it sometimes, but really people should use their own styles. I'd rather have crap and say "this is mine completely" than to trace and copy and be a fraud and a lying cheating swindler.
That sounds rather tempting, although I'm sure most of my stamps contain either a fourth of a blog I'd write over a subject with some of the discussions I have comments themselves combined. I've never truly thought about others agreeing or taking interest in this thing that has bothered me for some time. For instance there's no other stamps that really touch this subject or even try to as far as multiple search attempts and Google have shown. That shocked me, almost every opinion -even the insulting ones- are on a stamp but not one like this? I guess no one ever wanted to speak up or they never looked past colourful adoptable creatures being sold.
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I can't believe there's a traced base category... Well, the colourers using the category are being up front, at least. Tracing art to colour is fine. Colouring books and learn to draw tracing books have been around for a long time. Kids (and adults too) enjoy colouring and dA is a place for sharing and learning. Tweens and teens trying to improve or practice their digital colouring skills should be able to do so (hence dA creating the category). The problem is the exchange of currency. Points can buy real world things that you'd pay cash for, such as subscriptions to dA. (They also have no right to call the coloured piece their original work. That's just audacious.)
I don't like censorship or ratting on people. People paying 5 bucks for coloured traced or borrowed lineart are more than likely just trying to encourage the colourer or obtain a cheap version of a picture they like. If one of the colourers insisting that no one can alter their version of lineart (traced or borrowed) has a problem with a buyer, he or she can't exactly take it up with the management here. They'd be laughed off or maybe even banned.
Colouring lineart has a lot in common with fan art. Some people can take fan art to the limits, really create something well done or popular. But it's still based on the orignal characters, world and so on of a ususally living writer or artist. Fan art and lit should really only ever be seen as a tribute to a much loved work of art or lit. But this doesn't stop people from wanting to download or buy it. I don't see how dA could stop this (if they wanted to). People would make their sales arrangement by the note system or outside the via email.
So... I guess you're right. Nothing much can be done.
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Can you slow down the animation? I can't read it. ;n;
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I editted it a bit, the text's still a little too fast but if you try you can read it easier, going to slow it more in a second.
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That's good, I can read it now. c: I agree completely~
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Glad to hear that, I'm still a touch new to animating things so I'm just glad I figured out how to make it read-able.
Good to know.
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