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Humanity often finds itself fighting for survival against alien horrors. But how well will he fair against his fellow man?*This was made because it was pointed out to me that Zerg vs UNSC had devolved into this battle, so I've decided to just make an official one.
Terrans: Highly factionalized, the humans (or Terrans as they are also called), have among their ranks powerful space marines, massive tanks, and powerful weapons with which to engage the enemy. And such strength is often required; for humanity often finds itself under attack from either the mysterious Protoss or the ferocious Zerg.
UNSC: The United Nations Space Command is a military government with an army of elite marines and legendary Spartans who have defended the human race from invasions of both the Covenant and the Flood. No matter how unnumbered or outmatched, the forces of the UNSC have safeguarded mankind against total annihilation.
Now these two factions of humanity will face each other in mortal combat. Space Marines will duel with Spartans, massive tanks will level entire battlefields, and the skies will be full of ships blasting each other out of the sky. Man will shed the blood of man in this battle for dominance, and neither will be satisfied until they prove once and for all...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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gonna have to give it to the terrans and dont get me wrong love the unsc ( halo series ) but terrans have superior armor and there weapons can punch holes in anything the unsc has
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And? The MA5 series use .30 rifles that obviously have more PSI than a modern AWP rifle, not counting the fact that even the Marines wear titanium-ceramic vests, compared to the steel of the Space Marines. And the BR55 is 9.5 mm, so it is better than the C-14.
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Titanium-ceramic composite isn't really that strong. I remember a robot from Gundam armored with a titanium-ceramic composite armor plating, and some Gundam opened fire on said robot, disabling it and killing its pilot.
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Gundams are Gundams, they'll outmatch most other mechs.
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Yes, but the Gundam didn't even use heavy weapons this time. Simple machine guns did the trick. And not energy weapons, but mere machine guns.
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Kinetic Weapons Are Superior is a common trope in anime sci-fi.
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Not really. In Gundam, beam weapons chew through armor that bullets and ballistics can't stop.
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Eh, it's gundam, never really paid attention to the weapons.
What could win in a fight on a field of a mile in length, a Tripod from 2005 or a Baneblade?
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I dunno. But Baneblades don't seem to be a match for Siege Tanks.
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Actually it's the other way around: Baneblades would stomp most of the heavy vehicles (and bioforms) from Starcraft, and not only because of the fact that they are watered down (heavily watered down) Bolos, but also from the fact that there are a lot of variants of them.
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Except Siege Tanks and Reavers are designed to wipe out enemy bases from afar. Also, high-end units in 40K like the Space Marines would barely matter in Starcraft or in other series like Star Wars, Halo, etc..
Space Marine armor is ceramite, a bastardized mix of ceramic and titanium. Titanium is light armor in most sci-fi, like in Gundam, where even improved titanium can't protect from beam weapons, or in Star Wars, where Titanium Alloy Hulls can't protect TIE fighters from X-Wings. In Halo, the Spartan Armors are made of titanium, and it doesn't offer enough protection, to the point where the Spartans take cover whenever their shields are down. In Starcraft, titanium offers a light armor boost to vehicles and buildings, but even humble Marines can take both down with focused fire.
Also, Starcraft units have no problems shooting fast-moving targets, from Vulture Speeder Bikes to Zealots with jet boots, so SM speed won't save them.
So given those facts, and given that Space Marines are the high-tier ground units of 40K, then yes, what 40K sees as elite units, Starcraft, and other series, would see as commoners.
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You're talking about the universe where a race of orks always win as long as enough of them believe they can win, where there are battleships the size of small moons, and actual demons sucking souls and giving skulls to a giant ass throne.
And Terran Marines, which their bulky armor, die by the dozens against tyrannid rip-offs, and Star Wars lacks something called "Titanium-A", which is different that mere titanium. Also, Spartan armor is always against either plasma weaponry (which has to get past the shields first, and these can resist enough energy so that the Spartan moves or takes cover) or armor piercing rounds (or huge ones like 14.5mm or 16 mm railgun; as for why SMG's can pierce it, they aren't SMG's, more like P90, armor piercing rounds ann all). Put a WAAAGH!!! in Koprulu and see how long can the three races survive before an Warboss comes and makes thigns worse. And don't put the Protoss superior everything because they are literally nothing compared to the Eldar and the Necrons, who often lose against the Greenskins.
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Graia proves that to be wrong. Also, most of the large warships were lost in the Horus Heresy; they can barely get ships the size of a Super Star Destroyer, let alone a Covenant Assault Carrier. Demons sucking souls is a standard fantasy trope.
Nope. Again, the 40K universe doesn't even have titanium. Also, given that Star Wars has toyed with space metals for as long as they have, I highly doubt titanium-A would be as resilient there as it is in other series. Heck, Gundam has LUNA Titanium, which is far stronger than regular titanium. It still gets blown through like a motherfucker when the other side uses energy weapons. Spartan shields go down fast against plasma weaponry, and regular SMG and AR rounds pierce the armor faster.
The Zerg would just infect the Orks and use them for target practice or food for the higher strains. As for the Warboss, a Ghost sniping his head off would be enough. The Eldar and Necrons are nothing to the Protoss, who glass whole worlds without even giving a shit. The Protoss is more comparable to the Imperium, except their tech is actually useful from time to time, and they don't need to worship a dead atheist on a throne.
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Yeah, but some of those demons were people (or orks that got tired of not having enuff ruckin').
You're saying that the insects try to infect the fungi. And good luck finding a rifle powerful enough to pierce the thick skull of a Warboss (which would be also covered by crappy but effective ork power armor). And don't compare planet destroying because is still dramatical in Starcraft, whereas in 40k is Tuesday. And no, no matter what you say about Starcraft, 40K will always win because. Yes, just because: the only things that can fight evenly against 40k are Yoda, Palpatine, Voltron, Forerunners, Stellaris factions and Macross. Everyone else fail because.
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Really?
There's beam rifles that punch through actual titanium steel with no problems. Hell, the full power of a Probe Droid's blaster can vaporize a wampa.
No, it isn't dramatical in Starcraft. Protoss fleet shows up, glasses planet, moves on. Or, Terran nukes drop from the sky, incinerate world, moving on. In fact, in the Imperium, you can get in trouble for bombing the wrong planet, whereas the Protoss Conclave and the Terran Confederacy won't even care, so long as it's not one of theirs.
Nope. Starcraft can already win against most 40K factions, and Halo doesn't even need the Forerunners. Just have the Covenant glass every planet they come across. Even if the Imperium had billions of Space Marines, it won't make a difference.
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Hellguns are not weak either, and can be carried by 6 feet tall humans (and for comparison, Lasguns are superior to any rifle or lmg today; it's just that the Imperium enemies are tough or well armored).
Trouble for Exterminatus in the Imperium... Makes sense, but don't expect to accidental Exterminatus to be punished, or even uncommon considering that the zealous outnumber the reasonable. And that's only humanity.
Covenant would lose against everything in 40k; yes, everything, not everyone. A Space Marine IS superior to a Spartan, and most orks can punch Elites to death and tangle with brutes (and those are the average Boyz; Nobz and Bosses are Hunter sized); ogryns are between brutes and hunters in size, but can lift Manticore APC's with motivation, which they always have in the form of commissars that have *BLAM!* guns much stronger than the M6 series; oh, and the 26 km battleship it's still there. I't will be lost forever if destroyed, and there aren't more of it, but it's still there, and even if the Covies have more than one Super Carrier, don't expect it to survive. This is 40K, no matter what you say it will always win because.
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Nope. A regular Covenant elite is as strong as Master Chief; there's a reason why he's noted as the best of the Spartans. Most Spartans are used in limited missions, and they didn't earn their demonic reputation with the Covenant until John 117 nuked Installation 04 with his ship's explosion. Space Marines have weaker armor than Spartans and are easier to kill due to them sticking out like a sore thumb. Orks would just get wiped out by planetary bombardment, just like how the Hunters creamed the Covvies in all ground engagements, but still joined anyways because they would get glassed from the skies. And Hunters are stronger than most Orks and even Space Marines.
26KM? The Covvies have several Supercarriers, which are over 30KM.
40K is far from the strongest. It never was the strongest.
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They're as strong as Spartans because they too wear power armor (their harness) and come from a world with higher gravity than Earth. Brutes are the ones as strong as Spartans without any armor. And stop being obsessed with SPartans being stronger than Astartes, they aren't, I worship them but they aren't millenia old space knights encased in super power armor and wielding automatic RPG's and have redundant organs like Krogan.
Orks would survive because the planet would still be there instead of floating in the void. Do you know what Feral Orks are? And don't tell a Warboss or a tin Kan that there's something stronger than them, they'll kill ya and crump the git (there'll be two hunters against a dozen tin kans, and Warbosses are Brute War Chieftain on stereoids).
They don't have several, never had, two at best. Still more than the Imperium, but only about superships: everything else the Covenant loses.
40k may not be the strongest, but you are pitting them against universes they stomp no matter what you say. If it's Imperial Guard, is Space Marines, or Orks, or Eldar, or Chaos, or Tau, or Necrons...
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Except the Spartans have stronger armor since it's actual titanium and not some knockoff, and they thrive fighting foes that have adapted instead of staying static over 10K years. Redundant organs are nothing if your head gets blown off.
No, they can't, because I've seen otherwise. Ork horde on Graia loses its warboss, they start killing each other, they cease to be a problem while the Imperium focuses on the Chaos forces.
No, the Covenant can match the Imperium pound for pound with ships, because they glass worlds without the need for special weapons like cyclonic torpedoes.
Nope. 40K isn't even the strongest there either. Halo, Starcraft, and Star Wars have more than enough firepower that can swamp them. The only galaxy-spanning faction I know of that they can take on is Citadel Space, and that was prior to Sovereign.
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40K always win because even if their feats come from some british producer's ass high on paint and that loves to parody football hooligans by making them 8 feet tall, green and cockney, the crap is now (in)famous enought that most people agree that not matter the stuff others have (the Force, biotics, Spartans, 100.000 ship fleets, wave motion guns...) 40k will always win in the end because the craziness it has (trillions of humans, infinite greenskins, space elves, Sly Marbo, Catachans, Daemons, Imperial Regimens, God-Emperor, the Greater Good, squats... and anything the orks believe) is overpowered and yet is canon, even if the canon is ignored in the tabletop for gameplay purposes.
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The Force can destroy galaxies. Biotics can make suns all across the galaxy go nova at the same time. Spartans are better than Space Marines in almost every way.
Trillions? Star Wars alone has quadrillions of people, trillions of soldiers in Palpatine's army, and quintillions of battle droids during the Clone Wars. And numbers are nothing to ships in orbit purging worlds of all life.
There is no 40K canon. The 40K authors even confirmed it:
"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."
Gav Thorpe, Lead Designer, Games Workshop
"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."
Andy Hoare, Game Designer GW
"There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP."
Aaron Dembski-Bowden, co-author Horus Heresy series
"Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history…
Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it. Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.
I think the real problem for me, and I speak for no other, is that the topic as a "big question" doesn't matter. It's all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is "Yes and no" or perhaps "Sometimes". And for me, that's the end of it. Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note that answer may well be "sometimes" or "it varies" or "depends". But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies.
It's a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nuclear war; that nails it for me. Sorry, too much splurge here. Not meant to sound stroppy. To attempt answer the initial question: What is GW's definition of canon? Perhaps we don't have one. Sometimes and maybe. Or perhaps we do and I'm not telling you."
Marc Gascoigne, former head and chief editor of the Black Library
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It's called Grimdark for a reason. Except when it's about the orks, then it's greenfun.
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And grimdark ought to be handled with care. Otherwise, it loses its touch.
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Or becomes worse. Which is why the orks are football hooligans with cockney accents and make stuff happens believing it will happen: dark, but at least you can either laugh or cheer (Space Marines, Sly Marbo, 'eadhunter, Exterminatus...)
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Except that only works when the plot says so.
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and .. well just look on what each sides has to fight terran marines fight Zerg and protoss who are superior to anything the UNSC has to fight the terran armor can take the hits of the protoss energy weapon full on and still be ok ready to fight and go toe to toe with zerg and the terrans have a bigger selection of land and air weapons and vehicles
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You are saying that the Tau and Tyrannid-expies are stronger than the Old Ones (Forerunners) and Orks (Flood) expies?
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well yeah in a way yes unsc fought one forerunner and his machines the unsc fought the flood in 3 games and what you just said tau and tyrannids , and orks they are from warharmmer 40k terrans are starcraft you kinda lost me here thought this was a depute on terrans and unsc
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Both are Warhammer 40k expies, but Halo tries (successfully) to be more realistic.
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they are not both warhammer if you look they are from different companies who made them ones abit more hardcore then the other but my say still stands that terrans would defeat the unsc the spartans from unsc might be able to take on a few but not for long ( warhammer 40k made by games workshop while starcraft is a blizzard game so yeah )
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Look at a Terran Marine armor, and a UNSC Space Marine Corps armor. Now look at the Space Marines Chapters and Imperial guard armor. And compare the Protoss to the Tau. If Mass Effect got inspiration from Star Wars, Blizzard and Bungie got inspiration from Games Workshop (and Bethesda since 1996)
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Protoss predate the Tau by three years. And the UNSC drew it designs aesthetics from the Alien movies, not Warhammer 40000. Just look at the ships in those movies.
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Ah, the nostalgic feeling of watching the U.S.S Sulaco drifting above that demonic planet. But the Tau aren´t exactly Protoss like, more like friendly Covies. For starters, they have MOUTHS.
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You were the one who first drew the Protoss/Tau comparison
But do you see how the UNSC ships look almost exactly like the ships in Alien
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The ships, the weapons, the black sergeants, the style of the enemy...
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So you're seeing my point?
Though saying the guns look similar is a stretch.
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Well, the ma5 kinda looks like the m4a1...
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Forgot about the shape, long time since last seen a Pulse Rifle. You are right, they don´t have similar frames. But both have an electronic ammo counter. And a big-ass round.
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even if that is true they are STILL DIFFERENT games in this topic we are discussing who would win in a fight between Terrans VS UNSC and the enemies are still different as well not the same or even close they call could be still original ideas and my argument still stands that the terrans would win in the fight on ground or in space and still theres nothing the same between starwars and mass effect , right now you are comparing different games and companies then what the topic at hand
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but still different everything is different
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Not really! Most of the franchises are really differend (space catholic nazis, an army of ragtag badasses, space Sylvanas, chopper riding gorillas, red shirts that aren´s red shits, football hooligans...), but all have shot outs to each other.
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can we please get back to the topic at hand
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The terrans may be more powerful than the UNSC, but in practice the only thing that they are better at is psionics.
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thats not the only thing terrans has they have better weapons anything they have can destroy the unsc
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Not after the war. Just for comparison, the Infinity is WAY worse than a fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers. And the new scorpions wield either a 150mm gun with x propellant or an upsized laser (with a railgun instead of a machine gun), and a shielder VTOL, and more shielded ships. Before Cortana´s rebellion of course.
Which of the three is the more powerful, the m41 pulse rifle, the c-14 impaler or the Heavy Assault Rifle from DOOM?
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why do you keep adding different games to the topic
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People always say that Star Wars is the most powerful Sci-Fi universe. This proves them wrong.
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ok now your just way off topic here this is about the Terran Space Marines VS the UNSC two different universes no one else ok now if it was the Terrans VS Starwars or anything else fine but its the UNSC
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