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Published: 2018-02-20 19:29:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 1380; Favourites: 16; Downloads: 0
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Look, to all those saying "why you guys so doom and gloom about the IDW comic when it hasn't even come out yet", after that interview with Ian, we have every right to do so, and I know I've brought that up a lot, but it's true. What Ian said in that interview for game informer pretty much shot himself in the foot, and probably turned off a lot of fans.See, this is why I wish Archie had never hired Ian. They chose a fan over a creator, and when you do that, we get stuff like this. You can call me a Penders fan boy all you want, but to his credit, at least when he was writing the comic, he was world building and giving it more depth. What did Ian Flynn do? Pretty much just went off of that, which was fine and all until the reboot happened and it totally fucked him over.
All's I have to say is, when the IDW comic sales don't do so hot, and Flynn gets removed from the comic, don't go on twitter crying about how unfair it is or begin upset at IDW. You brought this all on yourselves, and now karma has finally caught up with you...
Pretty soon we're not even gonna have a sonic comic because of shit like this.
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If you feel that way then maybe you should not buy it? I Hate current Marvel Comics so I don’t buy any.
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That’s what I’m planning to do
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Okay. I also ignore the writers who make the comics I find shitty. I only call them out when they directly insult the fans.
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kind of do the same thing to. Just know that you don't have to worry about me buying this book. Hell, I won't even look at it on a site that uploads it for free.
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Well if that's what is good for you. Then that's what you got to do.
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Before I rant, I must say something:
Ian Flynn is a fantastic writer, and actually did things right. From the characters personalities to the stories from the games. The comics are mocked because of the dramatic shit that happened when Ken was in control. Sally and Sonic's fight, the constant drama, etc.
Now then....
Ken filing a lawsuit is what caused the reboot to happen. It's his fault for being a salty dickhead, not Archie or Ian's. So I don't see why you're throwing horse shit on Ian for something that's not really even his fault.
And while we're at it, you said Archie chose a fan over a creator. That's always a bad thing, right? So that must mean, that Tee Lopes, Christian Whitehead, and Headcanon must suck donkey balls for making Sonic Mania. They're fans of the franchise. And they made a near 10/10 2D Sonic game.
Who's a random user like you on one of the worst websites to judge someone who actually does something for a living? You're basically calling Ian inexperienced. If he was, pretty sure the Archie Comic Sonic series would've ended WAY before they came this far. So no, that's not true. And also it seems like you're acting like your opinion is fact. Tch, you've even reversed the things that Ken and Ian did, just to make the latter look bad. Ken was good for a while, I'll admit. But looking back on his version of the comics, makes me want to scream. Because the shit in it is why the comics are mocked by people of today who can't read for their lives.
I stated that twice, so you can actually see it.
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A random user like me has every right to speak his mind, and let me guess, you think it’s sega’s meddling that caused Ian’s writing to go down in the reboot?
That’s like saying my work is bad because my boss made stricter policy’s, so try again.
Also back when ken wrote the book, they actually SOLD copies, imagine that?
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You replied, way too fast. So that means you just skimmed through my post. You're not looking for a logical and calm debate. So, I'm not going to waste my time slowly explaining something to someone who has no interest. Just another random wall of text bitching about something of the outside world. Good bye/night.
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"Ian Flynn is a fantastic writer, and actually did things right. From the characters personalities to the stories from the games. The comics are mocked because of the dramatic shit that happened when Ken was in control. Sally and Sonic's fight, the constant drama, etc."
Flynn did it right before the reboot, and that dramatic shit people talk about is blown way out of proportion.
"Ken filing a lawsuit is what caused the reboot to happen. It's his fault for being a salty dickhead, not Archie or Ian's. So I don't see why you're throwing horse shit on Ian for something that's not really even his fault."
Ken was a bit of a prick for the whole lawsuit, but that's not stopping people criticizing Ian's writing in the reboot. Plus, he's not going to have that same reason with writing issues that he's doing currently at IDW.
"So that must mean, that Tee Lopes, Christian Whitehead, and Headcanon must suck donkey balls for making Sonic Mania. They're fans of the franchise. And they made a near 10/10 2D Sonic game."
Because a game that does nothing that interesting than being like the original genesis games is worthy of a 10/10.
No I don't think the game is bad by any means, but Sonic Mania is a game that does nothing to really add to the franchise.
"Who's a random user like you on one of the worst websites to judge someone who actually does something for a living?"
Yet you're here on this same site doing the exact thing your criticizing him for?
"You're basically calling Ian inexperienced. If he was, pretty sure the Archie Comic Sonic series would've ended WAY before they came this far. So no, that's not true. And also it seems like you're acting like your opinion is fact."
He's might be experienced, but what other works has he done outside of Sonic that's very well known and is considered well written?
"Tch, you've even reversed the things that Ken and Ian did, just to make the latter look bad. Ken was good for a while, I'll admit. But looking back on his version of the comics, makes me want to scream."
Ian may be a fine writer, but he's become more egotistical in the past few years which is concerning that it could affect us work at IDW.
"Because the shit in it is why the comics are mocked by people of today who can't read for their lives."
The only reason why their were people who mocked the comics were because they were game pursuits and fanboys on the internet that mocked it as fan fiction despite the fact that it's an official comic. Also the complaints I've seen have usually been nothing but pure bullshit because they were practical nitpicks just because the comics did not relate to the games or they used a few bad issues to justify their opinion.
The comics sold very well during the days before the reboot because it did something more than the game have ever done while the reboot under Flynb's pen suffered from being to close to the games and lacked the intensity and drama that made the comics unique and impressive.
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Your reasoning is ridicules you can't compare Ian now to penders than back then did both Sega's and Archies in house editors let him basically do what ever he wanted to do this has changed drastically since the. In fact was this raising of Mandates and limits that a writes is powerless again part of the reason he quit writing for Archie in the First place.
And every since the Reboot (and if going by Ians Interview even more now) do Sega's editors heavily influence the ways the book can go (also a side note many of the issues the reboot had like Amy is just about every thing for Shadows un-ceremonial death in the second crossover are the fault of the then Archie internal Editor of the Comic forces this things in the book)
And what is the matter that Ian is a fan? there is nothing that says a fan can't be a good writer so were is your argument.
Also saying a creator is always better is laughable or do I have you to remind you how many "creators" have creates total crap with the most famose example being Frank Miller.
What Ian describes what he does is literally what every writer for a licence property does because there have to create something that gets Bought or else there don't get paid (at least freelancers) nor will there work get printed.
You can hate him and his writing all you want but if you want to criticize him please you actual arguments that make sense.
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Ian, for all his faults is nowhere near as bad as Ken is.
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I never said that Ian is as bad as Ken I just said that can't really be compared because Ian has to work with much closer limits than Ken (and this may actually be a good thing when I remember what Ian did in 30 years latter)
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I am using arguments that do make sense, back when Penders wrote for the comic he did something called "Challenge" the editors, and not just do things for the sake of it.
Ian being a fan isn't something I have a problem with, it's more so him being a fan fiction writer. Look, I know there are good fan writers out there, but with Ian's work on fan fiction.net and other places, it's clear that he really doesn't have it, or what he does have is just based off of trying to continue work that others left behind for him.
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Again Penders didn't have to challenge anything the editors back when he wrote the book let almost everything past best example the artwork for Nagues games the the SatAm episode adaption Cry of the wolf.
Penders had other than other writes barley any opposition and could do what ever he wanted to do because nether Archie nor Sega cared. The only thing Sega Mandated back in the day were Video game adaption (and after the SA1 one were there satisfied with this another time another place stories) and that specific Character do not die and even than could Penders handel out a deal that Eggman can stay dead for 25 issues until his return thinks like this would Modern Sega simply not allow.
You can't really uses hi fanfic.net account as an argument her this is the difference between free time and business and sounds about as stupid as to say that because a cook uses at home convenience foods means that that he is also going to do this at work which is of cause not the case.
In his fan-fic can he write what ever he wants while when working in a official comic book has he to life up to some high expectations and has to give higher quality writing because this is what pays his bills.
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Pender caused a huge mess but its going to be a Bigger Mess for IDW
IDW is known for doing crossovers with their popular comics.
They can not cross over Sonic with any of them.
I still not sure how Archie was able to do the Mega Man cross over
Pender compyrighted the very concpet of a Multi-Universe.
a General Concpet which under the law it can not be copyrighted.
He can trademark selected characters and copyright their stories
but a few years ago me and one of his Admin on his old message board argue up and down
Multi-Universe is a General Concpet and the Copyright Law for the United States bar you from copyrighting such a concept.
Yet Penders was able to do it when I said it need to be challanged I was told the person would lose.
I brought up other comics do it all the time and one of the replays (was removed) is that they owe Pender money now.
Marval, DC, and a lot of others were doing long before Archie even started.
Yet some how a single person could litterly destory EVERY comic book there is if he wanted to persut this claim he been claim
I have some hope for IDW.
1 thing I really would like for them to do is start out doing comics based on the early video games and work their way to more and more stories But their limited on any story they want to do.
If the story or a Parady of the store in Any Archie Sonic comic is used Pender or the owner can sue and we be in this same boat all over again.
Pender has limited the hands of any one He did not just copyrighted his characters but his stories that use Sega Trademarked and copyrighted characters also.
He litterly is co owner of Sonic the Hedgehog and could cause problems for Sega no mater what.
That what going to be the probelm big time for Ian and IDW is Pender holds all the cards if he feels the story is to close to his work he can sue and we have to have another reboot all over again.
IDW is almsot going to have to run every story that is put in the book aginst anything Pender has copyrighted to make sure it is not to close to his work.
All of the copyrights by Pender need to be challanged by Sega. Just because he settled with Archie should not give him his copyrights. Archie never owned Sonic. He should have to settle with Sega.
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Um...penders was ok with people using his characters, he just wanted royalties. I know that’s something hard to understand for some of you but money makes the world go round
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Expect when you look at what he owns. If you look at the long list of characters Penders Owns. No one can use them do to trademark laws. Those he can not even use with out getting sued by SEGA he should be forced to turn over to SEGA. Not Demand Royalties for characters he did not come up with.
The entire Future version of character. They are just SEGA's characters grown up.
He not only copyrighted the stores involving this he copyrgithed the characters them self meaning SEGA can NEVER let their characters grow up behind the age they are with out paying for him
Lets look at Eggman (Robotnik) Ok Up to Issue 19 there was only 1 Robotnik then Penders created an Alternet Reality Eggman known as Roborobotnik whcih I would say he could legally own because they are not the same person
But in a later issue Penders made his Roborobotnik into the Real Eggman (owned by Sega) By doing this he became part owner of Sega's property.
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Penders is good friends with people over at Sega however, and when he made these claims, Sega nor Archie challenged them, and keep in mind when this happens, the companies are notified. Sega had Archie had the rights and could have fought those claims, but instead they didn't, and if you mean to tell me that two companies of that size were either too busy or lost the notice then you're just out of your mind.
I just don't see why people have to get on Penders because he wanted money for stuff that he worked on. Why do you think Ian works on so many comics? Comic writers don't get paid that much...
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Well here is the problem back in 1992 when Sega out licensed sonic to Archie was part of the licencing contract that everything Archie would create for the Comics would be owned by Sega. So all Sega has is this one contract with Archie BUT Archie comics on the other hand ether didn't wrote there contracts in the 90s properly or thanks to incompetence lost there contract with Penders which means he could technically copyright his Character BUT the moment he does this can't there anymore be used in the Comics because Sega needs full ownership over everything that is in the comics (Cross overs were a spezial permission was given not withstanding).
So when Penders copyrighted his Character (and assuming it was a faulty contract with him that forgets to include the whole Sega owns it all remark) did he do nothing wrong legally seen but Archie Comics did break there Contract with Sega because now were this Character not owned by Sega as the contract between Archie and Sega mandated.
The opposite version would be that penders is lying Archies incompetent legale department lost his original contract and Penders now wrong fully copyrighted Characters that rightfully should be owned by Sega (many people support this point because Ian stated that he in fact did have to sign a contract that states nothing he creates does he own all goes straight to sega)
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I just don't see why Sega wouldn't and archie wouldn't challenge the copyright, I mean it is something they can do, and Penders said it himself. Besides that of course he wanted the copyright, he wasn't getting fucking paid for the work he already did.
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Well Archie did go against him this whole lawsuit that was going on was Archie sued penders for copyrighting Characters he shouldn't own.
Sega stayed for the most part out of is and said so Archie you got your self into this mess and now can you get your self out of it.
And in the end was the outcome something that Sega didn't mind (all Characters that are based on Sega Characters penders has created are unusable for both sides with out permission of the other and Penders Original Characters have to be stylized to look significantly different to Sega's Characters) because there really didn't care for the Characters there lost.
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How is it not a bad thing?
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I'll be doom and gloom if IDW and Sega don't approve before 2018 end inclusion of Sally Acorn and the Freedom Fighters in IDW Sonic.
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Not everything Sonic is always Sally or the freedom fighters.
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But there's Amy Rose and Rogue the Bat and Knuckles and the Chaotix and so on and so on...
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That's because they came from the games, and not the comics or cartoons.
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Remember Sonic Spinball? Sally, Bunnie, and Rotor appeared in 2 of the game's bonus stages.
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Yes, I remember that game, but that was different, because those were cameos really rather than a full-on appearance.
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Well buddy I hate to tell you but...
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Well, did you see this petition? This is 2,200+ signatures and counting:
www.change.org/p/save-the-free…
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I don't like how ol' Flynn is already adding completely new characters.
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So far, only 3: Rough, Tumble, and Tangle.
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Before the comic even came out.
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I been turn off from this since those covers since they give off this childish message like MLP and everyone I know wanted something like their TMNT line or their Transformers line.
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Yes. And Ian Flynn has written a stream of boiling wildebeest shit since at least 2016. I don't really think he's much better than Pontaff at this point.
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Then Archie lost the Sonic comic rights in 2017 and failing to negolate with Sega for a new one before the nail to the coffin annoucnement came at the 2017 San Diego Comic-Con, then after that IDW announced to pick up the Sonic comic book rights!
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I've already made my post concerning the new character but concerning the comic as a whole.....meh.
Personally I'd want someone completely different to write the comics because either way you want to see it Penders would cause headaches and Flynn is already widely hated by many so no one will be happy at all with either of the two as writers. Then again this is a war of minorities and I'm sure most people do not care so long as they get to read the comics.
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You are asking for the impossible. Sonic fans will never be happy.
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Nope I can dream......then again dreams are just dreams right lol
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Indeed. 
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I liked Episode 7 despite my issues with Rey and Ren as characters but The Last Jedi only solidified my issues with Rey as I feel her character teetered and bordered on Mary Sue but I digress. My issue is why are these people STILL around after banging the drum on how the reboot is trash. You know what I did....I stopped reading it and went and did something else and this is my fucking problem with the Sonic fandom. Shit just can't be let go and this includes me who I'll admit I'm critical of things but at least I leave it alone after a while. People are still whining over Flynn despite going around and preaching how trash the comics are and they won't read it. Cool.....then go do something else and stop bitching about it is what I say if you think there is no hope then put the megaphone down and walk away.
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My feeling precisely. They don't like the comics, fine. They don't like Ian Flynn, fine. They can watch SatAM on loop forever, they can read the old issues, they can make their own crappy fanfiction but for God Sake move on. I still can't believe they are treating Ian like the Devil, all the guy ever did was write a stupid comic.
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That's the insanity of the fandom they over blow the most vapid things. You want to call Ian's writing trash sure but they act as if he stole from Fort Knox the fucking guy is just a writer. It can only go as far as it needs to so let it go right now is what I say. If people buy it call them names and leave it alone not to dwell on it. If you don't like it do what I do and just leave it alone just the same.
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Sadly.
I’m honestly on board as well, however people just don’t want to agree or listen so the result is this.
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