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Germany was restructured by it's new socialist leadership in 1922. The "Law of efficency-orientated reorganization of the German state territroy" (Gesetz über die effizienz-orientierte Restrukturierung des deutschen Staatsgebietes) abolished several German states and restructured them into "Districts" (Bezirke).Evry district has it's own capital and it's own council (Bezirks-Rat). The councils of the districts then delegate members into the Supreme German Council (Oberster Deutscher Rat), sitting in the nation's capital, Frankfurt am Main.
Credits: This map is a deriative work of a map created by wikimedia commons user "Ziegelbrenner" who creates kick-ass maps in this style.
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Generell kannste dir eine Rätedemokratie wie eine Pyramide vorstellen wo die unterste Eben die kleinste Einheit ist (das kann ein Betrieb sein, eine Nachbarschaft, eine Straße, ein kleines Dorf ... sowas in der Art) und dann steigt die Pyramide von höherer Ebene zu höherer Eben auf bis zu Spitze. Und alle Belange, die auf der niedrigsten Stufe gelöst werden können WERDEN auf dieser Ebene gelöst. Erst, wenn das Problem nicht rein auf der Ebene der kleinsten Ebene gelöst werden kann (wenn bspw. eine neue Straße gebaut werden muss die durch mehrere dieser Einheiten verlaufen soll o.ä) wird die Entscheidung auf die nächsthöhere Ebene verlegt und so weiter. Auf der obersten Ebene sollten dann, im Idealfall, nur noch Dinge wie Außenpolitik und Landesvertretung entschieden werden. Es ist also quasi so eine Art "Radikaldemokratishcer Föderalismus". Also ja, durchaus freier als momentan. Die Distrikte sind quasi die zweithöchste Ebene nach der Bundesebene, aber es gibt, anders als bei uns, mehr als die Kommunen-/Kreisebene bei uns, sondern es geht halt noch weiter ins Kleinteilige, was dann aber für ne Karte nicht so geil darzustellen wäre
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Ja, das kann definitiv sein. Rätekommunismus opfert quasi "Effizient" für maximale demokratische Legitimität. Dazu trägt halt auch das imperative Mandat noch mal extra bei.
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The Greater Germany SeriesI just wanted to give people a quick overview of my "magnum opus" because it has realy gotten quite big by now
So, this alternative timeline focuses on how Europe could have looked like if Germany had unifed in 1848. The POD is set during the Spring of Nations, during wich (just like in OTL) Frederick William IV. rejects the German Crown. But, unlike in OTL, a relative of him, Karl Anton of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, steps forward and offers the Frankfurt Parliament to take the role of Emperor. The Parliament agrees, but in the aftermath a conflict with AUstria ensues, because Karl Anton - being a devout catholic - insists on being crowned with the crown of the Holy Roman Empire, kept at Vienna. The freshly crowned Emperor of Austria, Francis Joseph, refuses a request of handing over the Imperial Regalia to Frankfurt, leaves the German Confederation and both countries declare war. Seeing this as a violation of the Holy Alliance, Russia, Great Britain and the Kingdom of Sardinia join There's a whole timeline here, including Hungary
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How should he? He got politicized by hearing Hitler speak in Bavaria in 1922, a thing which would not have happened in this TL. So either, he just became a normal citizen, unknown to this TL's history, or he did become the Nazi scum he was in our timeline, in which case he was probably thrown into jail. Same goes for his brother Otto.
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I was just asking, as Otto Strasser advocated for a decentralized, federal Germany with provinces rather than kingdoms. And as we know, Strasser was a socialist too, and very council-centric at that. But then again, your map, your rules.
PS: Nazi scum. Funny. You know he hated Hitler, loved democracy and was a Zionist, right?
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Okay, first things first: Otto Strasser was no socialist and no communist, he could at best be considered a National-Bolshevik in modern terms. He might have advocated for an abolishment of the dukes and kings (although they were already abolished during the Weimar Republic period), but so did Hitler. This proves nothing.
And to the last part: Support for Zionism was very common among European nationalists during that period. Not because they gave a shit about what happened to the Jews, but because they saw it as an easy way to get the jews to leave what they saw as "their" countries. His anti-semitism might not have been as strong as that of Hitler or the right-wing of the NSDAP in general, but it is still a fact on history. Among other things he considered the short-lived Bavarian Council Republic a work of the jews controlled from Moscow, he considered Berlin a city controlled by jews and communists, he was of the opinion that under Stalin the jews had become the new tyrants of Russia and he claimed that jews had gone to universities rather then fight for Germany in World War I. In 1929 he published an article called "Fourteen theses on the German Revolution" in which he argued that Germany had to free itself from it's "patronizing and alien jewish influence". And make no mistake, he NEVER argued for class warfare. His views were always centered on racial warfare, up to the day he died. He would have never willingly participated in the kind of revolution this timeline is based upon and he hated communism in real life aswell, just as many other Nazis did. And please, don't be one of those people who thinks the Nazis were "socialists" just because the word was in their name. North Korea is called the "Democratic People's Republic", and no one would argue that country is a democracy either.
I know the guy is subject to a lot of tall tale (most of it based on his own lies about himself and his brother), but his little private political war against Hitler was always more based on personal dislike then anything else.
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Schade mit dem Kommunismus. Die Einteilung gefällt mir wirklich gut - Baden und Württemberg getrennt, Franken von Bayern getrennt, (aber die prä-1866-Granze zwischen Franken und Hessen ist ein bisschen hässlich), drei rheinisch-westfälische Länder, Lausitz, eine "Krain" die in Wahrheit Slowenien ist aber mit Österreichischen Marburg... ist ganz nett. Ich gehe mal davon aus, dass Krain, Trient, Triest, Posen, Elsass-Lothringen, Böhmen und Mähren und evtl. auch Lausitz und Westpreußen Sprachautonomie haben?
Ein paar Wehmutstropen:
-"Salzburg-Groß-Tyrol". Also wenn schon "Salzburg-Großtirol", aber nur weils Vorarlberg miteinschließt brauchts noch lange nicht das "Groß-". Ich würde "Tirol-Salzburg" vorschlagen. Ansonsten, vernünftige Art Österreich aufzuspalten.
-Hamburg wird hoffentlich, wie in unserer Zeitlinie, noch erweitert 
-Die Grenzen von Nordrhein-Ruhr. Die Idee das Rhein-Ruhr-Gebiet als Land zusammen zu halten ist gut, aber ich würde Aachen und die Gebiete südöstlich von Bonn an Rheinland-Pfalz abgeben, und dafür das Land (den Bezirk...) ein bisschen nach Osten erweitern, auf Kosten Westfalens, so dass auch Hamm, Hagen, Unna, Wuppertal etc dazugehören.
Oh und ja, die Sache mit dem Sozialismus halt. Diese "Bezirke" würden sich viel besser als "Länder" machen
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Die Einteilung gefällt mir sehr gut. Ich persönlich hätte noch die Stdtstaaten aufgelöst (Aber das ist so ein Fabel von mir ^^) und vielleicht noch die Region Friseland hinzugefügtr ansonten eine meiner Meinung nach sehr gute Gliederung.
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It's Münster. Thanky for pointing that out, I'll correct it.
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Inga problem.
You say this is derivative work. Does that mean the history behind these maps is your own story? Where does Ziegelbrenner's work end and yours start?
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Ziegelbrenner did not create any history, he created the map that this one is based of. He creates maps of Germany through out realy existing history.
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It'd be interesting to see how the rest of the world is doing in this althistory.
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Well, in Europe it looks like this:
Greater Hungary and the Russian Empire have turned into socialist republics, just as Germany, but with very different systems. While Germany is a true council republic, the USSR is lead by Trotzky who succeeded Lenin and is therfor similar to the USSR in the 20s, meaning it is a single-party dictatorship, but not a stalinist one. In Greater Hungary Bela Kun built a similar system, but with more autonomy for the federal states.
The USSR also contains Poland, while Finland managed to capture the Karelian peninsula during the Russian Civil War. The Middle East is stil under the rule of the British and French mandates, apart from Israel, wich developed like in OTL, but being federalized between Israel and Palestine.
The rest of the world looks very similar to our world, the only differences being Persia (that annexed Afghanistan) and China, wich is communist, but does not include Tibet, wich is a British mandate.
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I've not seen a map of Greater Hungary. What lands does it have which makes it "greater"?
Will Poland become independent anytime in the future?
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Greater Hungary is essentialy the Lands of the Holy Crown of St. Stephen from Austria-Hungary, but as an independent state modelled like the United States of Greater Hungary idea Archduke Franz Ferdinand wanted to implement, wich was essentialy a federalized country with ethnicity-based republics. It turned socialist after the Great War.
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I suppose you have more history planned. Any world wars coming up?
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Well, World War II in this scenario seems unlikley. The major reasons for althistory WWII's are always in eastertn Europe. If the Central Powers won WWI, the Soviets would want to reclaim their lost territory. If it's the other way around, there is Hitler or some other nationalist seeking to reclaim territory Germany lost. In this scenario hwoever, Russia and Germany and Hungary kept nearly all their territory. I can only see some major proxywar-action going on in other places of the world, wich would be more intense I coulnd imagine, since the red block is made up of three very powerful nations and the West still holds on to vast colonial Empires that could be the battlefiled of some communism vs. democracy proxy.wars, like Vietnam, the Middle East etc.
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Does Germany still have their African possessions?
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No, they were (like in our world) lost early during World War I and never returned.
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It'd be nice to see a map of Europe in this timeline. Like your "Consulate Europe" maps.
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Done and uploaded.
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Hachja Sachsen-Anhalt mal in vernünftigen Grenzen nicht so verkrüppelt wie jetzt.
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Ist die Lausitz wirklich so groß 0_0
Hättest auch Teile Sachsen-Anhalts Sachsen geben können 
Armes Sachsen^^
Und das Gefühl das meine Stadt nicht mehr Hauptstadt ist ist irgenwie seltsam :l
Hah jetzt muss sich Frankfurt um den Scheiß kümmern^^
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Ja, Ober- und Unterlausitz kombiniert mit dem kleinen Stück, was hinter Oder-Neiße-Linie liegt und heute polnisch ist ist die Lausitz so groß 
Und in diesem Szenario war deine Stadt nie Hauptstadt von Deutschland, nur von Preußen
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Also die Großdeutsche Lösung funktionierte?
Woher kommst du eig. wenn ich fragen darf?
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Und ich lebe und studiere seit einem Jahr in Erfurt. Geboren wurde ich in Frankfurt am Main und habe drei Jahre in Bad VIlbel gelebt, bevor ich schließlich nach Echzell, einem kleinen Kaff in der Wetterau, gezogen bin wo ich bis vor meinem Umzug nach Thüringen gelebt hab
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Ach deswegen Frankfurt als hauptstadt D:<
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Und hat Groß Oldenburg Hannover gefressen 0_0
Die Idee kommt mir bekannt vor
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kein problem ^_^
It really IS an interesting project 
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I wish there was a number that sounded like the German "Doch", but there is none
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:c We also make fun of your sehr ^_^ its read like our ser which is the imperative of shit
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