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I don't that that if I didn't have my sensei I would never have figured out how to draw this character right
It's actually a pretty cool radical to write just very weird. I'm used to kanji that are all boxy with mostly straight lines. Suddenly having a squiggly radical like this seems out of place
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From what I understand, kanji are written left to right and top down. Could you explain whether you would write the left side then the right side of a kanji or would both sides be written at the same time? I'm trying to learn the kamado (stove) kanji, and I get confused near the end.
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You should look up the stroke order for that character in a dictionary.
I recommend downloading a dictionary like zkanji to your computer ([link] )
Yes, strictly speaking the characters are written from top to bottom left to right. But this is only a generalization. There are very specific rules that determine what order the strokes are made.
My suggestion is that you just look up the character in a dictionary. As you learn enough kanji the stroke order will come to you naturally without having to memorize the specific rules.
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... Lol, The radical appears in a lot of Kanji characters (θΏ· & ι), and one can easily get carried away with its loop and tail (I know I have lol)... This stuff is kinda important for those who copy Kanji off the internet through font... Since font can be relatively small, they simplify it to make it legible from a small image, while sacrificing important detail... Thanks again for showing this to us, Em-sensei; means a lot.
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No problem! I'm glad you get something from it
Every time I'm in class the teacher points out common mistakes that her students make in Kanji. I want to be able to make more lessons like this.
Just have to find time.....
Thank you for the comment
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... Good thing your sensei is strict like that; few are these days.
... And I always look forward to lessons such as these, but I really do not mind when; it's a nice surprise each time.
... Welcome anytime, sensei.
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The curving radicals and characters always seem to be the most difficult for me.
Characters like these are also rather foreign to my hand: εΌ, δΉ, δΉ. xD
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Oh I love writing εΌ!
I haven't learned any characters that use δΉ or δΉ though
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Ah, it comes out horrible every time I write it. xD
I saw a few the other day but I can't seem to remember them. =___=;;
But it's those little awkward ones that mess me up.
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should I do a quick lesson on how to write it?
I found it really simple to write after watching my teacher
I know what you mean about the little awkward ones
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Ooh yes, that would be helpful.
Yes, yes they do. xD
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I dont understand the rules of radicals in that their existence defines how you say a kanji, any idea how this works?
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Radicals, depending how they were arranged, used to explain the meaning of a character and how the character was pronounced.
For modern Japanese it is pretty much useless to try to figure that out though.
Back when the Japanese first started using Kanji they were all studying Chinese like crazy. I imagined that during this time there was a much more systematic approach to using the characters. As time has passed the Japanese language has changed but the characters have always managed to stay mostly unchanged. Because of this it is hard to look back at old ways of arranging the characters and relating it to modern speech.
It is even worse with pronunciation. Japanese from 800 or even 300 years ago isn't as understandable to modern Japanese speakers because sounds have changed so much.
So yes, there used to be rules for radicals. They used to be useful in that they would tell you how to pronounce the Kanji. But not so much anymore.
I hope that clears it up a bit for you
I personally think it would be cool to study how the characters came to be arranged but it would mean that I would have to develop an understanding of ancient Japanese ^.^' It's probably something left best to native speakers
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sounds like fun, on top of learning about the japanese language i'd love to get a hold of those professional complete kanji fonts, do you know of these?
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I'm not sure if I'm familiar with this.
Do you mean fonts that Japanese will use on their own computers?
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those specialty fonts like the SEAL SCRIPT or the KAISHO or GYOSHO style fonts.
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Oh I see what you mean. I didn't know those existed.
Must be interesting to type with them
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that's why I want them, know any Japanese natives you could ask about it with?
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I don't know about finding the actual fonts, but here is a guide to what all the font types are called. Perhaps that might help a little
[link]
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how fluent is your japanese?
i may have a site with the fonts for sale.
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I think of myself as an intermediate level.
Basically means that I can understand conversation and converse fairly well but when it comes to more complicated topics (like politics) I get lost fairly easily.
Have you been studying Japanese a while then?
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I FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[link]
here is where i can buy japanese fonts in their fullest form, hopefully.
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Does it work with IME though? O.o
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yes and no, you need the software to make the font show up like Photoshop, then its just a matter of font selection.
I need a true and complete KAISHO font now.
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what are you going to use it for?
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many different designs and projects.
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