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Another Pokemon Ginjinka for the awesome projectMuch in the way I came up with my Mewtwo, there are already MissingNo.s in the dex. All of them play off the idea of MissingNo. being a fragmented destructor of all it touches. Novel concept, I really liked it, funny and all. However, once again none of them gave any actual attention to the character of MissingNo as established by the show. Pokemon all have unique personalities, certain feeligns about them, that is what makes them great! And yet people in the dex seem to completely disregaurd that fact and just make bizarre anthropomorphs for the most part. Really fun to look at, but few of them really capture the beauty inherent in the designs of Pokemon.
Now, let me explain how that rant applies to something like 'M. What is MissingNo.? Everyone who played the original Red/Green/Blue knows it's a glitch. However, the reason for this is a mystery to most. It was the very first Pokemon ever designed and programmed into the game, tagged 'Missing Number' or shortened 'MISSINGNO.' to meet the character limit for names. This pokemon was ultimately whiped from the game, however fragments of it's programming remained scattered throughout the code. Through an obscure sequence of events you could run accross the remnants of this scrambled coding.
To pay tribute to this bizarre accident, the animators of the Pokemon gave us a peek at the physical design of MissingNo. as it was ogirnally programmed into the game. At the end of the very first episode of Pokemon, Ash looks into the sky and glimpses MissingNo for a moment, appearing as a beautiful golden bird traveling gracefully through the sky. If you go back and watch it, it might look familiar to you. That is because that design was later used for Ho-Oh.
So, in short, what is MissingNo.? A gold colour-swap of Ho-Oh.
*sigh* And that is exactly what this is. I used the existing design of a wonderful Ho-Oh ginjinka by (make sure to check it out here: [link] ) in a completely new, full colour painting. (The coloured version is here:[link] ) I then took the coloured version and added a gold colour scheme and shiny effects. In terms of actual drawing challenge, the weirdest thing was making the hands in realistic poses. Other than that, nothing all that new to me. I'm happy with the Clouds. As long as it presents the same grace and majesty that the peek at MissingNo in that first episode had, then I'm happy with it. But I'll shut up, because I talked a lot this time. >_>
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GokuMartin [2012-12-11 22:37:59 +0000 UTC]
"HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMANNNNNNNNNN...
...I am NOT Ho-Oh! I am no bird Pokemon! I am the Entity, and I will have my revenge! maxVolnutt, I will absorb you, just as I absorbed 90s Kid! And this time, Linkara won't save you!"
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zigazav [2011-04-16 20:26:05 +0000 UTC]
Sorry for putting too much excitement feeling into my last comment here, a shiny victini exists, but you have to hack to get it right now. I didn't hack victini out directly, I hacked the liberty pass to get victini. I may hack, but I don't "cheat hack" meaning I don't use unfair cheats like ie: I don't use the complete pokedex cheat, it just ruins some of the fun of the game I only use infinite HP cheats if I'm having a REALLLY HARD TIME. I also don't use over -powered EXP cheats. I just use the weaker ones so I get a small boost. I may cheat, but I treat the pokemon like the're not just data. witch means, I will NEVER EVER, delete my pokemon games. I also won't release my pokemon and abandon them. Ooookay..... I talked to much didn't I? Ok, comment finished.
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zigazav [2011-04-16 05:50:58 +0000 UTC]
I got victini! On my pokemon black game!
And I believe victini is missing no. finally put itself back together! You nice guys can send DA messages to me if you want!
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Waveripple [2010-11-07 03:58:17 +0000 UTC]
Huh, i never knew that. I just guessed the creators got cocky and were sure there'd be a next season...though, they were right to be cocky.
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KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-11 02:14:54 +0000 UTC]
Actually, about the Missingno Ho-oh thing...if you gameshark your game and do stuff (I don't know what the stuff is) but you can FIND Ho-oh in it, just like Mew. I just don't know any codes, seeing how I don't have Blue or a GBA anymore in the first place due to having a DS. And also, Missingno just so happens to be in EVERY single Pokemon game to date. INCLUDING recent titles such as D/P and HG/SS. It just looks like a white box with two long lines of pixels deleted. This is "said" to be called MBox/MCube.
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Racnel-24 [2010-03-17 22:59:12 +0000 UTC]
If the thing about a gold-colored Ho-oh is right, then wouldn't Ash have seen the original Missingno at the beginning of the anime series?
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Avielsusej [2010-03-17 15:24:01 +0000 UTC]
I always thought the same... when I knew about missigno,the 2nd gen didn't exist yet,so I always related it to ho-oh in the first episode. also he looks goldenish and not rainbowish so I think also that was an attempt to put him in
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CelestialAura [2009-10-18 16:07:27 +0000 UTC]
After all, why would Ho-oh be in Kanto? This explains MissingNo's bird status and such.
....but not why it evolves into Kangaskan. xD
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lailathehedgehog529 In reply to CelestialAura [2013-03-07 16:08:25 +0000 UTC]
lol true!
but if ur asking why it evolves to kangashkan, because nintendo actually wanted to make marowak evolve to kangashkan, but in the last minute, they said that kangashkan should be a pokemon without an evolution, buit they didn't want to waste time, to save time, they moved the code of the evolution into an empty spot, making as a pokemon without a number.
and that's how missingno was born (and propably one of the reasons it evolves to kangashkan)
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Axel-Comics [2009-04-09 16:39:38 +0000 UTC]
Nice pic,I've always liked MissingNo. cos it was so strange.Was it really a fragmented Ho-oh?
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maXVolnutt In reply to Axel-Comics [2009-04-09 20:20:23 +0000 UTC]
More or less. The whole thing is pretty weird.
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Kinsara [2009-01-31 23:32:14 +0000 UTC]
Wow, that's a totally awesome concept-- i've heard of ginjinka but i never would have thought to draw missingno Oh my gosh, i messed up my Yellow so bad with that pokemon lol
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DarkSideoftheSun13 [2007-10-21 00:01:05 +0000 UTC]
MissingNo was in the first episode?!?!
I thought that was just a Ho-oh!
*dead*
I need to see that episode again.
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maXVolnutt In reply to DarkSideoftheSun13 [2007-10-21 04:23:05 +0000 UTC]
I actually saw it again the other day. It was a very, very golden Ho-oh, aka Missingno. 'Twas awesome to see again.
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ayas-shadow [2007-09-10 04:05:05 +0000 UTC]
Lovely missing number. I know that I, presonally, base my gijinka off the games, not the show...but that has more to do with the fact that I didn't really watch the show much...movies, oh heeck yes, show...*shrugs* I had to choose between it or going to the pokemon card game league...card game won most saturdays, unless I was sick. So, I'm not all that familiar with the personalities of MOST of the mon that apear in the show. I just know the 'ersonalities' I saw in my beloved mon in the game...and those that appeared in the movies.
I LOVE seeing one, though, that's based on the show, and not the games...It's rather nice. ^-^
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maXVolnutt In reply to ayas-shadow [2007-09-10 16:14:38 +0000 UTC]
Well, I liek to think the show and the games kindof work in tandem. The games are truly great but the pokemon never really get fleshed out. That's what I think the show is for... Though, it's really, really gone downhill. :\ At least most of the movies are pretty great. I really should get around to doing another ginjinka...
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0x1000 [2007-08-31 04:31:53 +0000 UTC]
You know, your theory makes sense O.o
Still, I love MissingNo. the way it is xD
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XxSweet-NightmarexX [2007-08-03 04:38:22 +0000 UTC]
People, if you actually read the thing, it actually makes sense. You guys, I think, just want to start a fight.
To all of you saying that the Artist Comments insult the other art for MissingNo out there, you're wrong, I'm telling you! maXVolnutt was simply saying that he/she was tired of seeing the same old theme for MissingNo, and wanted to try something different. It may have been in a blunt way, but that's how I read it! Don't take things so personally!
Second, to those questioning what happened with MissingNo in artist comments, well, it could have happened! Just think for a moment, open your minds, and consider this. Point one, Ho-oh DID NOT exist in the first season, so it was impossible that the legendary that Ash saw was Ho-oh. Point two, perhaps, just think about this, maybe MissingNo started as a legendary that had the design of Ho-oh! Before you contradict me, you say that there's an empty bit of space where MissingNo shows up, right? Well, maybe MissingNo started as a legendary that showed up there, number 000. But then, as you all pointed out, they needed space for the Old Man's name when they were making the game. One of the pokemon had to be cut, so they eliminated whatever MissingNo started as. It's something to think about. In fact, all you haters, I'm writing a Fanfic on that very theory! (I'll tell you when it's done)
And frankly, I don't care if I seem rude in this comment. Lots of you were rude to the artist of this peice of art, so what did you expect to get in return? Someone's got to stick up for people, and I'm sick of people that seek out fan stuff just to insult it!
...Jerkoffs. Flame me if you want, I don't care.
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maXVolnutt In reply to XxSweet-NightmarexX [2007-08-03 06:01:23 +0000 UTC]
Thanks an awful lot! You are awesome, thank you for trying to know where I'm coming from and for sticking up for me, even though you didn't need to. It means a lot to me. It makes me feel a little bit better about the world knowing there are those out there with open minds. ^_^ I cant wait to read that fanfic. X3
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XxSweet-NightmarexX In reply to maXVolnutt [2007-08-03 06:10:21 +0000 UTC]
No problem. And I'll make sure you're the first to know when I finish it! ^-^
My little blow-up there was actually the result of having so many people seek out fan sites I'm on, only to insult everything, not limited to the fans and myself when I tried sticking up for it. And I like this version of MissingNo better than the destroyer one. Though I'm thinking of making one of these with both the elegant and the evil, like a mirror-not-image.
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Dyscrasia-Eucrasia In reply to XxSweet-NightmarexX [2007-08-15 15:27:24 +0000 UTC]
You could even say that Missingno isn't even evil, just seriously, seriously fucked up. The reason it seeks to fuck other things up is because it can't tell the difference, since whatever God there is in the game (let's call him 'The Game Freak' decided to wipe out poor Pokemon 000 for the sake of the rest of the world. Now that poor pokemon's fragmented soul is only trying to piece itself back together. Hmm... that's actually a good idea....
And yay, someone stood up for maX! His Press Secretary doesn't have to! Whoot!
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snow--skitty [2007-07-17 02:46:40 +0000 UTC]
"All of them play off the idea of MissingNo. being a fragmented destructor of all it touches. Novel concept, I really liked it, funny and all. However, once again none of them gave any actual attention to the character of MissingNo as established by the show. Pokemon all have unique personalities, certain feeligns about them, that is what makes them great. And yet people in the dex seem to completely disregaurd that fact and just make bizarre anthropomorphs for the most part"
I'm sorry but makes me a bit upset. I mean, it shouldn't be a bad thing if we didn't base it on the show. I really do like how you were the first to make it different than what is expected. Powerful and godly Missingno is. :3 But please, don't ditch me and other people because we made it like the game version.
Everyone has their own type of ideas, even if it's not creative.
Anyways, I'm glad someone did a tv show version. He almost looks holy. o.o I really like the hair, nice, soft, and realistic. *nods*
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maXVolnutt In reply to snow--skitty [2007-07-17 05:12:36 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, you're right. I was a bit harsh there. And honestly, I did like many of the other Missingno. pieces. Mostly, I'm appreciative that you expressed your difference of opinion instead of straight out attacking me. That's the sign of a true artist. I've gotten so many purely vindictive, condescending comments on this, that I'm almost tempted to get rid of this piece all together. I spent a lot of tiem working on this, sketching, painting the original, carefully recolouring and adding effects to this version... And yet the more people comment on it, the more I hate it... I should've just stuck with my Dialga. >.<
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snow--skitty In reply to maXVolnutt [2007-07-18 03:12:34 +0000 UTC]
If I attacked you, then there might have been a ravage war. xD; No wars
But you shouldn't get rid of the peice. ); If the comments bother you, you have the power to edit the deviation to where it's "no comments allowed" I've seen most artists do it *nods* But whatever you do, don't delete it ><;
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AxelHummerwibble [2007-07-16 12:41:08 +0000 UTC]
Also, in regards to "none of them gave any actual attention to the character of MissingNo as established by the show." While I agree that the majority of the "catgirl-style" pokemorphs are uninteresting, I don't think that the gijinka have to be based on the anime to be worth looking at. The best ones, IMO, are the ones that interpret the visual themes and style of a pokemon into a human character, especially in unexpected ways. I've seen both of those - uninteresting, and unexpected and creative - just looking at the other Missingno entries (even just the ones posted before you made that comment, just to be fair).
Now, how did you interpret the visual style of Missingno, or at least what you saw as Missingno's appearance, into a creative and unexpected design? Well, you used someone else's design. In fact, you took an existing painting that you did (I assume you painted the original) of his design of Ho-oh, and then just changed it to one colour instead of several and changed the name. I'm sorry, but that doesn't strike me as particularly creative or even interesting on its own, particularly compared to seeing a bunch of random noise from a programming glitch and getting "a fragmented destructor of all it touches." That's not to say that the art isn't pretty and all, but you really shouldn't look down on other people's interpretations like that just for not incorporating how it was "established by the show" when you don't have anything impressive in terms of character design yourself.
Yes, I said in my last comment that I wasn't trying to be mean. That's still true - I was trying to tell you where you were wrong and why for the sake of clarification (that's what happens when I see someone that is genuinely misinformed). And yes, this second comment is admittedly kind of "mean." Well, that is what you get when you come off as snobbish and condescending about other people's work.
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AxelHummerwibble [2007-07-16 07:28:31 +0000 UTC]
Well, whether you read that explanation in a magazine or made it up yourself, whoever came up with it is certainly creative and imaginative...
...but as fact? ^_^; Sorry, but no. I'm not gonna argue about whether the Ho-oh really was originally intended to be MissingNo, as it could have been retconned later (though I do remember Ash later recognising Ho-oh, and "unknown" legendaries have since become a recurring theme in season premiers, just like Pikachu destroying a bike).
However, the explanation of how it is found in the code is incorrect. You see, the part of memory used for what pokemon you can catch and at which levels is rewritten whenever you enter an area with new values for that info. But when you talk to the Old Man, his name is moved to where your name should be and your name is moved to that "what pokemon can be caught" area of memory. If you go to Cinnabar island, there's no new data for that little strip of sea, so it just looks for the pokemon using the values from your name. Normally, the game is looking at values picked from the programmers, so it will always point to data for a real pokemon. When you use the values from your name, however, it might not be, and then the game will go looking for the data for a particular species in other parts of the game (like the map, or dialogue, or the script of how the game works - it doesn't really matter, since the game is trying to read it like it's pokemon data). The reason for the messed-up graphic is because instead of looking up graphic data and displaying it, it's picking random data and trying to read it like it's graphic data.
This has nothing to do with a mysterious pokemon whose data is scattered throughout the game data. Theoretically, I suppose the "Missingno." moniker could have been from a specific test pokemon, but I think it's unlikely since there are many different values that will result in the "Missingno." name. More likely, it was just a minor attempt at error-handling for the sake of the programmers so they could recognize the problem immediately (the pokemon corresponding to that number is missing) and there was no need to add anything else or even disable it since that error was not supposed to be possible in the final game.
Again, that explanation is very creative and interesting, particularly as a backstory for your picture, but it just isn't true. It's not that I'm trying to be mean, but I don't like it when disinformation spreads from one person (or more) making an assumption or conjecture and then spreads until it's "common knowledge."
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spligity [2007-07-12 07:59:40 +0000 UTC]
That is soo cool! I'm putting this in my next journal for sure!
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maXVolnutt In reply to spligity [2007-07-13 03:25:46 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot! That would be muy muy awesome. ^^ And if the Lizardman you want to give the world to is the same Lizardman from SC, I'll definately help. Probably even if it's not. Lizardman FTW!
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XxSweet-NightmarexX [2007-07-10 18:06:51 +0000 UTC]
*Mouth drops open* That's where MissingNo came from? Man, I've been a fan of pokemon since 1999 and I just found that out...I always assumed that pokemon in the first episode was Ho-oh. And I figured that the MissingNo glitch was on purpose. I guess it wasn't.
Wow, that's cool. I love all the gold! That seems alot more like a MissingNo to me!
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maXVolnutt In reply to XxSweet-NightmarexX [2007-07-13 03:13:02 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot! I'm glad you enjoy it more than the last guy to leave comments. ^_^ Missingno., as a glitch is really quite imposing. That is to say, after seeing it, your game is completely altered, so in a way, it's like the life of the character in the game is changed. I wanted to give it the kind of feel that seeing this thing could change your life forever.
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maXVolnutt [2007-07-07 21:55:52 +0000 UTC]
Apparently, it IS worth your time, which you seem to have far too much to waste. Your mundane mind and inability to see a simple chain of possibilities other than the one you have preconceived has stopped making me laugh. However, let me appease you by saying two things. First, I never at any point said the games were based on the show. Quite the reverse. I simply said that the design existed and was used for the first time in the first episode. The second is merely something to think about. As I was typing this, the latest American release Pokemon film, the Legend of Lucario happens to coincidently be playing literally AS I type this. The intro to the film takes place in prehistoric (so-to-speak) times (and also in the land of magic and faeries, by the by) and what is the first pokemon you see? What is shown as the first of the first? A Ho-oh with a golden-tinted colour scheme. Hmm. Strange coincidence. Seems like an homage, to me. That's purely my own outlook, but it's a fun thing to think about right?
Now, I'll ask you politely, please either put aside your desire to be correct and give some impartial commentary on my art as this space is meant for, or don't clog it up with meaningless debate.
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KatrinaLyoko In reply to maXVolnutt [2010-07-12 02:09:36 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to interrupt, but lemme say something. You've heard of "shiney" PokΓ©mon...right? Remember the episode with the pink Butterfree? 'Twas referencing something from the games! Now, I dunno if you knew it, but they're almost as rare as Missingno! My theory on them goes like this: "I think since all Pokemon have 'Shiney' (alternate colored; Example: regular Butterfree is purple, right? If and when you ever encounter a 'Shiney' one, it would be bright pink; as seen it that episode) forms, example listed above, and some Pokemon should REALLY not BE in Blue or Red; such as Mew, or Ho-oh, but are if you hack the shit out of them with a GS, and maybe Ho-oh's 'Shiney' like Mew's being whitish blue, is this gold color." Now, I haven't watched the original season in 5 years, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about...but they DID take the "Shiney" thing and put it in the series. I think Mew (seriously, look at the colors of the pixels in the jumbled blocky mess!!), or Rhydon (its sound in Blue/Red) might have something to do with it. Then again...in my favorites page, there (besides this one) is a "Missingno's True Form?" (something like that) I don't wish to come across as rude, but I think they're onto something. I think you should check it out. So, to wrap this up, I think "shineys" were used in the show' and what we might've seen was a "Shiney" Ho-Oh. Do you agree?
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maXVolnutt In reply to KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-13 21:19:42 +0000 UTC]
I've pretty much given up on commenting on this picture because of all the misinformation floating around on here, but this theory is misinformed enough to warrant it (no offense).
Of course I know about shinies. They're really not as rare as Missingno at all, in that they are a normal part of gameplay. Missingno is so rare that it technically doesn't exist, whereas Shinies are an intended aspect of gameplay. Every time you enter a random encounter, you have a 1 in about 8192 (I became intimately familiar with this ratio during my quest to find a shiny Mewtwo). This holds true for every version since G/S, which do NOT require hacking to encounter a shiny. In fact, you might say they're even LESS rare in G/S in that there is a 100% chance you will encounter a Red Gyrados during the progression of the plot.
That said, no, the gold Ho-oh in the first episode is NOT Missingno's shiny in that it was created long, long before the concept of shinies was thought up as a gameplay element. Moreover, the pink Butterfree was NOT a reference to a gameplay elment, just a design choice to show that the other one was female (you'll notice that shiny Butterfrees don't have a pink body, they have pink apendeges and green eyes). That said, I do believe that Ho-oh's shiny WAS inspired by the original Missingno model, but it isn't identical, as you can see here: [link]
Here's what everyone needs to understand about what I've said: It's not conjecture, it's just a simplified explanation of the design for the original Missingno. The pokemon that appears in the first episode IS a tribute to the original design for the FIRST pokemon ever designed, the code of which would eventually be linked to the glitch called MISSINGNO. Later on, they would recycle the design into Ho-oh to create an air of mystery around the pokemon.
You can all stop arguing now, this is not conjecture.
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KatrinaLyoko In reply to maXVolnutt [2010-07-13 23:20:52 +0000 UTC]
Actually, what you just said made a GREAT deal of sense. Thank you! ^_^
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maXVolnutt In reply to KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-14 05:46:23 +0000 UTC]
Yer welcome! Thanks for showing interest in the first place.
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villamar [2007-07-06 19:53:35 +0000 UTC]
Hey, what you mean by "once again none of them gave any actual attention to the character of MissingNo as established by the show"? Unless I've never seen such episode Missingno never appears in the show (even pokerus does but Missingno doesn't). The pokemon Ash sees on the first episode IS a Ho-Oh... duh! Why is it all orange instead of the real colors? Cuz it's a prototype for one of the pokemon they would add later. The design of characters can change during the making of a show... like on DBZ when Vegeta had brown hair at first and then they made him have black hair. The same how they added Togepi on earlier episodes but appeared much later on the games. Even in one of the episodes that take places during G/S Ash said he saw Ho-Oh before and you see a flash back of the first episode when Ash sees him but the guys there don't beleave him. There's no big mistery about Missingno. The only logic reason why they left such a glitch on the game and why it even exist is cuz they needed a test subject to see if all moves work properly so there was no need to make him a picture... they just needed the moves. Also the item duplication trick could be to test items that you can only get 1 and finaly the reason to leave such "trick" on the game could be cuz since you have to do some things to activate it maybe they though people wouldn't find it. There's nor fragment of anything through the code. It's just there's 256 slots to put pokemon on them and only 151 pokemon total... so there are many unused values that can be used as test subjects... that's the whole "magic" about missingno... nothing mystical or whatever... lol
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KatrinaLyoko In reply to villamar [2010-07-12 02:14:17 +0000 UTC]
Like I just said..."SHINEY". Like Pikachu's "Shiney" normal Pikachu is yellow, while "Shiney" Pikachu is more to the orangey side of yellow. The same color used on Missingno/Ho-Oh here.
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villamar In reply to KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-12 02:26:56 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but back then there was no "shiny" pokemon. I'm sure they simply change the design of it later. It happens a lot on anime and cartoons.
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KatrinaLyoko In reply to villamar [2010-07-12 02:44:17 +0000 UTC]
I understand what you're saying.
But "Shineys" were something that originated in the games, sorta like a glitch that did absolutely nothing to your games, just finding a miscolored sprite is a reward in itself. It is a complete 1 in a million chance of finding one.
I think it might be like a scrapped set of a colorscheme that somehow stayed in the game, like the supposed "scattered remains" of whatever #000 was. But it just so happens to be in EVERY game from Blue to Diamond and Pearl (I don't count the remakes). "Shineys" were and still are 100% harmless glitches that appear in the games.
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villamar In reply to KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-12 02:50:22 +0000 UTC]
lol... no, shinies are not glitches xD Every shiney has an especific color pallete (sp?) and stats ^^ Stats used to be more simple back then and they are random so there's a unique combination of stats that give you a shiny pokemon. It's also the one that decide the form of the unkown that's why there's only one letter that can be shiny. There was a whole method to calculate stats and all so it was pretty much planed xD
Missingno was simply an unused value since there was way more pokemon values than pokemon itself. One question... is there Missingno in the remakes? Again shiney are not glitches, they were planed.
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KatrinaLyoko In reply to villamar [2010-07-12 03:02:21 +0000 UTC]
Missingno and Co. have been in every game, like the "shiney"s. Missingno has changed in form since B/R, but yeah, the little son of a glitch (lol) has been even seen in the Stadium games, as the "Substitue" doll, after bringing it from B/R/whatever games it was caught in. Whether it be the ( ? ) in later games like Green or a white cube like [l l l] in Diamond/Pearl on. So yeah its there...just different forms through the years.
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villamar In reply to KatrinaLyoko [2010-07-12 04:23:50 +0000 UTC]
Of course he's been on every game because there's unused values on every game... lol xD I'm sure he wasn't planned on R/B then they just made him have an especific form so they could keep testing stuff better and yeah I saw him on Stadium. You could also use gameshark codes to catch one on pokemon yellow xD The shinies appeared on Gold/Silver for the first time and they were totaly legal... lol
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maXVolnutt In reply to villamar [2007-07-07 02:59:47 +0000 UTC]
While I find your arguments uninformed and negligible, I won't try to battle them. We're all entitled to believe what we believe. You may seem to be deliberately ignoring things I stated in my explanation, as well as in response to equally as doubtful (but less transparently scathing) comments on this page. However, that doesn't much bother me. However, I do pity you. The lack of magic and imagination in your words is sad, and in a way, a little appalling. Your phrase, "nothing mystical or whatever" goes against everything Pokemon ever meant, or indeed everything that is art. It is sentiments such as those that have killed the fairytale, and may one day be the end to the simple, magical things, such as Pokemon, that bring us all simple joy, childlike happiness.
Villa, my friend, I suggest you worry less about being right and more about having fun.
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villamar In reply to maXVolnutt [2007-07-07 05:51:38 +0000 UTC]
Umm... problem is I talk from the point of view of someone that has some knowledge of programing and how some values on games work. After all I used to hack back on the N64 days. That's why for me it's easier to understand how some parts of the game work... so basicaly trying to make it sound "magical" and/or "mysterious" is the biggest prove that you have no idea of what you are saying. So basicaly the uninformed one is you. Besides I was just pointing out Missingno is not in the show... that the pokemon Ash sees in the first episode is in fact a prototype of Ho-Oh (prototype as in they painted it that way then changed their minds and painted it with different colors cuz it's not the first time something like that happen on anime... meaning it's Ho-Oh and not a different pokemon). So basicaly Ho-Oh IS NOT missingno. So saying "the animators of the Pokemon gave us a peek at the physical design of MissingNo. as it was ogirnally programmed into the game" is completly false cuz missingno is not meant to be a pokemon in the game and doesn't have a rol in the story of the game and/or the anime. It's simply an unused value in the game (since there's 151 pokemon and 256 slots for pokemon... it's just a glitch with no story) so those unused ones can be used to test skills being a good logical reason why some unused values has pokemon abilities and are glitched cuz since they are used to test moves no pic is actually needed for them. Honestly I don't know where you got all that stuff about it being the first Ho-Oh Ash saw.
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maXVolnutt In reply to villamar [2007-07-07 08:27:09 +0000 UTC]
Silly overconfident one. Please don't cite yourself as a programming expert to someone who has programming experience. Particularly in hacking Pokemon games. Yes, I understand the logical answers. What you don't seem to understand is that the logical answers aren't necessarily the correct ones. Let me clarify: A test pokemon is programmed during the inception of the game, as you figured. This pokemon is complete, as you did not figure. It includes a placeholder design which would eventually be used as Ho-oh. The pokemon is not actually Ho-oh, however, it is just a nameless test tagged 'Missingno.' Missingno, obviously stands for missing number, makes sense so far, right? Well, for whatever reasons, they decide not to use that design, and when they're done with the tests, they scrap it. IT should be cleared out entirely, but for whatever reasons, remnants of it end up in the game purely by mistake. It likely wasn't disregarded because of its complex triggers, because originally it would've been easily accessible via a debug. So where does the show come in? They put in the design of the FIRST pokemon (which would later become Ho-oh years later, once the different colour palette is chosen) as a hat tip to its presence as the infamous glitch. As for your likening it to Togepi, that particular pokemon, along with Marril, Donfan and Snubble, were placed in the anime as a sneak peak at the upcoming games. I somehow doubt the same could be said of Ho-oh, considering it was years preceeding Gold and Silver. Everything I said does make sense, so long as you take the time to think about it, instead of just dismissing it because it requires a little understanding of imaginative thinking to comprehend.
Now, as much as I enjoy debating about the nonexistence of magical idealism in a game that tells you to care and love your computer pets instead of treating them as code, my fingers are getting cramped (well, not really, but it's an excuse). So, unless you actually want to talk about the quality of my /art/, it probably wouldn't be worth your time to comment in my /gallery/.
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