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Humanity often finds itself fighting for survival against alien horrors. But how well will he fair against his fellow man?*This was made because it was pointed out to me that Zerg vs UNSC had devolved into this battle, so I've decided to just make an official one.
Terrans: Highly factionalized, the humans (or Terrans as they are also called), have among their ranks powerful space marines, massive tanks, and powerful weapons with which to engage the enemy. And such strength is often required; for humanity often finds itself under attack from either the mysterious Protoss or the ferocious Zerg.
UNSC: The United Nations Space Command is a military government with an army of elite marines and legendary Spartans who have defended the human race from invasions of both the Covenant and the Flood. No matter how unnumbered or outmatched, the forces of the UNSC have safeguarded mankind against total annihilation.
Now these two factions of humanity will face each other in mortal combat. Space Marines will duel with Spartans, massive tanks will level entire battlefields, and the skies will be full of ships blasting each other out of the sky. Man will shed the blood of man in this battle for dominance, and neither will be satisfied until they prove once and for all...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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I got carried away, I was watching ID4 while making the previous comment
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ok so thats fine but please stay on topic
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Let´s be sincere, a Super MAC gun could screw the day of any Starcraft ship, and the Spartans are, on average, much better than terran marines. The problem is numbers.
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yes but spartans are in little numbers and a equal to spartans are the ghosts/spectar and spartans ar ekinda fucked if they are in the air
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I am a huge UNSC fan, but eh I really gotta give it to the Terrans here. Sure the UNSC has Spartans and such, but the Terrans have Ghosts(who are psionics btw), advanced technology, and power armored Marines. I did mention Ghosts right? Ghosts are not the squishy personnel as people want to believe, these are highly trained, superbly skilled special forces combatants that are feared in their universe for a reason. Nova is a prime example of that(read Ghost Academy[you'll love it]), want a better one, look at Kerrigan. As the Spartans have augmentations to enhance their abilities and bodies far beyond that of a normal human, Ghosts use their psionic abilities to augment their physical bodies to the extreme. In one example, Kerrigan had a gun placed to her head and her orders were to kill the guard doing that or be killed, she was 12 at the time. So, again as much as I love the UNSC, the Terrans take this one hands down.
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it would be a long rough battle but in the end the Terrans would win. They are much superior on the ground due to being hardened against more advanced enemies like Protoss and swarmers like Zerg. The ace in the hole is Terran have cloaking technology and the Wraith and Banshee would be an absolute bane to the UNSC air force and ground units. And once the Terrans found the UNSC base... Nuclear Launch Detected.
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You saying that the Flood, the Covenant and the Prometheans are worse than Tau and Tyrannids rip-offs? Besides, the Terrans are few in comparison to the UNSC, and probably don´t even know what an AI is.
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I think the UNSC would win by the skin of ther teeth the terrans have the best armor but the UNSC chip in solders brains allow them to control their armor by thought over movement and sensce the armor is shorter that makes for better mobility
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for reasons mentioned in your zerg vs. unsc battle
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UNSC, even with MC, like always, will get their ass handed to them. Remember that MC is a pretty weak Supersoldier, he can only really handle around 10 enemies (and that's max) at a time. Even a fourth of the Terrans could utterly destroy UNSC.
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Lol what? There's a cutscene in Halo 4 showing Master Chief walking into the helm of a Covenant ship. Even assuming the Covenant ship was a Covenant Cruiser, one of the smaller ship and assuming it only had a skeleton crew, assuming all of that, Master Chief killed at least "A few thousand" Covenant soldiers.
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This is actually an interesting match-up. They are both practically the same, storywise. A group of humans struggling tooth and nail against hordes of advanced aliens and plague like monsters.
Terrans seem like they would have superior infantry, with their powersuited marines. But UNSC are an actual army, not a group of "Re-educated" criminals. The difference in discipline would be high. Also, UNSC seem like they'd have better vehicles on the ground. The Warthogs could drive circles around Vultures and the like, especially with their 360 gun turrets. Mantises would trump Goliaths, both in size and maneuverability. (Ever seen a Goliath jump? I haven't.) Tank vs tank would go in the Terran's favor, but the Scorpion is much better suited to anti personal combat than the Siege Tank.
And Ghost vs Spartan. A Ghost sniper rifle has never been shown to be that tough. (For some reason) A single shot could bounce off a Spartan's shields and send them for cover. The real question is, would a cloaked ghost appear on a Spartan motion tracker?
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But UNSC are an actual army, not a group of "Re-educated" criminals.
''Re-education'' includes memory wipes/replacement. The ones that commit major crimes (like serial murders) don't even know what they are, their memories are replaced and for all they know they've enlisted into the Confederate/Dominion military. I'm unsure wether this has any major negative mental effects, but they're not a bunch of disorganized rabble.
And not nearly all of them are ''criminals'' as many that are labeled that are in for minor transgressions actually.
Mantises would trump Goliaths, both in size and maneuverability.I find it hard to think of any RTS that has ''jumping'' as a thing for its units. For that matter since when can the Mantis do this? And the Goliath's weaponry is more impressive. It's also a mobile AA unit.
Tank vs tank would go in the Terran's favor, but the Scorpion is much better suited to anti personal combat than the Siege Tank. That's what Marauders/Firebats are for. They're walking IFVs.
And Ghost vs Spartan. A Ghost sniper rifle has never been shown to be that tough. (For some reason) A single shot could bounce off a Spartan's shields and send them for cover. The real question is, would a cloaked ghost appear on a Spartan motion tracker?They prefer dealing with things from afar. They're all also psionic.
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And yet, mental health is a mentioned issue for terrans in every source of lore. Maybe it's just a running gag, but the prevalence of it means it shouldn't be ignored.
In Starcraft, Terran Reapers jump. It's their main shtick, so it's a "thing". Anyway, the jumping was just an example. A Mantis's overdrive would let it out maneuver a goliath, but it's still too small for that anti air feature of the goliaths.
I already said that the Terrans would have an infantry advantage. Unit to unit, a Terran marine would likely be superior to a UNSC marine. But if a Siege tanks was swarmed by Marauders, it would be destroyed quickly. A scorpion would last much longer against a group of Marauders due to it's secondary gun and infantry seats.
And I know they are psychics. it's one of the biggest pieces of lore out there. But what exact powers they posses can vary wildly, so we can only look at their most general abilities, mind reading and cloaking. So the question is, would this be a surefire advantage against a Spartan, who are enhanced to the point that hey are barely human?
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A scorpion would last much longer against a group of Marauders due to it's secondary gun and infantry seats.I rather doubt those MGs would be very useful against Marauder armor. And LOL at ''infantry seats''.
As for everything else I agree, though.
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Wait! New idea!
A scorpion, with the infantry seats loaded with MARAUDERS! UNSTOPPABLE!!!
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...Piloted by the Master Chief.
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Hmm.....
Attached to the ODIN!!!!
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THAT IS RIDING ON THE UNSC INFINITY!!!
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Isn't the Infinity larger than a battle cruiser?
Unless it's the Hyperion, then it might be the same size.
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We;re going for escalation. Think bigger, man! BIGGER!!!
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Ok. On the latest and greatest battlecruiser to date, The White Star.
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Very good!
...Strapped to a Zerg Leviathan! (A moon sized one!)
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Terran probably win with relative ease. UNSC basic infantry are inferior, the Terrans have superior heavy weaponry, and a significantly stronger airforce. Plus Ghosts counter Spartans nicely.
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I'm pretty sure the UNSC wouldn't be able to stand a chance... Terran's would wipe the floor with them any way you look at it.
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I'm going to go with the guys who'se grunts wear heavy power armor with hypersonic HMGs for rifles over the fleshy guys with shitty military designs and weapons that predominantly use ammo available since the Vietnam War.
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Oh, that's... that's... oh... hoo boy.
I suppose in the faction breakdowns the UNSC -might- win, but I doubt it.
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UNSC tanks are better on the whole. Having secondary armaments and can fire their main armament while being able to move (with the exception of the Cobra.)
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Hrmm this is a good one. Honestly couldn't pick it. I guess maaaybe USNC because if everythings equal, I'd take Spartans over Raynor any day.
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UNSC.
SPARTAN-IIs, -IIIs, and -IVs.
Better light attack/recon.
Better tanks.
Better aircraft.
UNSC Marines are comparable to Terran Marines.
Weapons are equal, leaning slightly more towards UNSC due to the much better diversity of much stronger weapons (The Battle Rifle by itself is on par with the C-14).
AIs offer a much better tactical advantage.
the only thing that might offer the Terrans an edge are Ghosts, I don't have any real feats on their range for their psychic attacks, but I think its safe to say its within 2 km, meaning that snipers would still take them out quickly.
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You don't know very much about sci-fi lore do you? If you are basing your judgement on estimated game play, you are going to be very far off.
The Terran's standard Impaler Rifle is basically a rapid-firing Halo Sniper. It is more powerful than the .50 caliber machine gun turrets you find in Halo. No that isn't an opinion and it isn't fan-wanking.
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The UNSC weapons are analogs of modern-day weapons. The MA5 Assault Rifle uses the real-world 7.62x51mm round. It's the military version of the .308. It has a 900 rpm, but no real sighting system and carries 32 rounds in the magazine. The Halo Sniper Rifle is close to an average .50 caliber.
The Terran Marine's C-14 Impaler rifle uses .50 caliber. It shoots 1,800 rounds per minute (compare to the Assault Rifle, 900).
The Terran Marine's standard rifle is basically a Halo Sniper Rifle shooting as fast as a minigun. It can hold over 200 caseless rounds in the magazine (The Assault Rifle only carries 32). It also has over 2" penetration into neosteel (which is harder than concrete and steel together). The Terran Marine's weapon is utilized for destroying small and light tanks en mass; the MA5 cannot do such a thing.
Terran Marines have targeting aids in their helmets and are known to be capable marksmen at ranges comparable or exceeding M16, over double-triple the range of the MA5 Assault Rifle.
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A Terran Marine can kill a Spartan. Their standard weapons are better than the .50 machinegun turrets you find in Halo. That's just getting started.
High-powered Ghosts are invincible to these weapons because their telekinesis and senses are able to stop, block, and shoot the bullets back at their enemies. That means a Spartan armed with a machinegun turret would lose and die horribly to a Ghost. A Jedi Knight can't even do that.
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This argument again. Oh man. Would it be ok if I directed you to another comment chain me and another person (AK47pwner) already had this argument? Because that would save a ton of energy. Ah, fuck it, here we go.
that is an opinion and it is fanwanking. The C-14 fires spikes which can penetrate 2 inches of steel (steel, not neosteel, neosteel is unquantifiable thus is unusable). The Magnum's rounds are comparable to a round we have today (but bigger, and packed with a experimental high explosive) and this round can penetrate 3-4 inches of steel. At 50 meters the Magnum dominates the C-14.
Now let's compare it to the BR, the BR's rounds are just like the Magnums, able to punch through at least 3 inches of steel at a much greater distance. The BR dominates the C-14 at ranges >50 meters.
Now, the RPM. That's just plain wrong. The C-14 is fired in a burst mode as opposed to full auto, in full auto it shoots 300 rounds/sec. Burst-mode, the mode generally used by the Terrans because it lowers the energy needed by the gun (to keep it on target) and because burst-mode conserves ammo. In other words, the Burst-mode cannot fire at 300 rounds a minute when in burst mode, this would conserve no ammo, thus the RPM is significantly lower.
Ah, you're already assuming it fires less than 300 rounds/sec, that's good but wrong. Its not taking into account the time between bursts, which would lower the RPM. Modify that, will ya?
I hope I explained why neosteel means nothing to me. Unless you have some actual numbers for how strong it is? Though, given Blizzard's lack of putting that stuff up, I doubt it. But hey, you want to bring in unquantifiable metals in the mix, can I mention that the Magnum is capable of penetrating Mjolnir armor which can survive a low-atmospheric drop (e.g. the Master Chief's reentry)? Because I'm willing to bet being able to fall from several kilometers high and crash land into a forest puts out a lot more MPa than either steel, concrete, and titanium all mixed together would be able to take without breaking.
Ha. No. A single marine would get slaughtered. 2 marines would get slaughtered. 5 marines would get slaughtered. 9 marines would get slaughtered. And then the Spartan would have to reload his magnum. On a good day, it would take 10 Terran Marines to take out 1 Spartan, assuming the Spartan never ran for cover.
Ghost, just read down a bit more. Read mine and ak47pwner's comment chain. Its pretty much all about Ghosts and how a Spartan would slaughter a Ghost. Or we can have the argument here, again, like we are with the C-14-UNSC weapons debate.
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I was directed here by AK47pwner. I read through your argument but everything you've said is invalidated by the points we are making that you are ignoring. That is a sign you are being biased.
It isn't opinion because there is correct, right and wrong. Otherwise you wouldn't be arguing so hard at something you think is wrong. Opinion means there is no right or wrong. You can't claim what I've said is wrong and then claim you are right and then say it's opinion in the end. You are contradicting yourself with an unfair stance.
Here that is not true. It isn't fan-wanking because everything I posted are referenced truths. Statements in lore have to be treated like factual information. And on top that, you have to use a scale of reasoning.
But if you are going to pick and choose what you feel is canon or valid then that is another sign you are being biased. [Your ignorance to neosteel not mattering, which I can show you how powerful it is, a statement isn't required.] You are also ignoring what we are listing and you keep shifting back to these imaginative power levels rather than focusing on what we've said.
You also put limiters and concepts against the Starcraft items without applying the same to the Halo ones for comparison. That is a third sign you are being biased. [You can't point to a limitation on bursting or RPM without applying it to the Assault Rifle as well; and having 200 rounds in a magazine versus 32 makes that huge difference bursting, full auto, or single-fire.]
Your entire post has not touched anything I stated nor the facts I listed. And you have a bad habit of rabbit trailing and running around the core point of the argument. Now are you going to pay attention and read through my whole post or are you going to brush it off and sit on your high horse of ignorance?
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WHAT IS THE CALIBER OF A HALO SNIPER RIFLE?
A: .50 caliber.
WHAT IS THE CALIBER OF A C-14 IMPALER?
A: .50 caliber.
What is more powerful? The Assault Rifle or the Sniper Rifle?
A: Sniper Rifle.
That means the C-14 Impaler is more powerful than the Assault Rifle, and is at least equally as powerful, for each 1 bullet, to the Halo Sniper Rifle.
How many rounds does the Sniper Rifle have?
A: 4
How many rounds does the C-14 have?
A: 200+
What is the range of the Sniper Rifle?
A: About a Kilometer
What is the range of the C-14 Impaler?
A: About a Kilometer
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WHAT IS THE STANDARD ISSUE, MASS-PRODUCED WEAPON FOR HALO MARINES?
A: Assault Rifle [which is significantly weaker and less ranged than a C-14, which is essentially a burst-fire, full-auto capable Halo Sniper Rifle]
WHAT IS THE STANDARD ISSUE, MASS-PRODUCED WEAPON FOR TERRAN MARINES?
A: C-14 Impaler
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The many thousands of Terran Marines in the force are equipped with Halo Sniper Rifles with 200 round magazines and capable of bursting or full-auto. Your points about the Battle Rifles and Magnums don't mean anything if the entire infantry force is equipped with weapons like that.
And if you really want to get technical, a .50 caliber Sniper Rifle (Halo / Real World) cannot penetrate more than half an inch of steel, much less 2".
That means the C-14 Impaler is 2-3 times more powerful than the Sniper Rifle.
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What points are you making that I am ignoring?
What? Um, I hate to break it to you but I can argue about an opinion, anyone can. Opinions can be right and they can be wrong from ones own subjective viewpoint. Being an opinion doesn't, in and of itself, make something above reproach, that's not how anything works, ever. I can think steak is better than salad, you can think salad is better than steak, and I'd call you wrong and you'd call me wrong and we'd argue about it.
Everything I have stated here is true as well for the same reason.
What am I picking and choosing is cannon or valid? Please give me the neosteel feats. I can give feats that show Mjolnir is much stronger than most things we have today, so I guess I'll submit those as well and we'll decide which is stronger based on that. That sounds about fair, yeah?
I'm not putting that limit on the C-14, Blizzard did. I'm not being biased with this one, show me something that says this weapon is generally fired in full auto mode and I'll stop with the burst-fire stuff, until than that is how the weapon is fired and it lowers the ROF. I don't have to apply this burst fire mode to the MA5 because the MA5 doesn't fire in burst mode.
Yes, it did.
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WHAT IS THE CALIBER OF A HALO SNIPER RIFLE?
A: .50 caliber.
What is more powerful? The Assault Rifle or the Sniper Rifle?
A: Sniper Rifle.
That means the C-14 Impaler is more powerful than the Assault Rifle, and is at least equally as powerful, for each 1 bullet, to the Halo Sniper Rifle.
What is the range of the Sniper Rifle
A: About a Kilometer>>
Just that whole part. The Sniper Rifle in Halo fires a .57 caliber round. The C-14 is equal to the Battle Rifle, not the sniper. And its range is 2.3 kilometers. Besides those three things, sure.
<< The many thousands of Terran Marines in the force are equipped with Halo Sniper Rifles with 200 round magazines and capable of bursting or full-auto. Your points about the Battle Rifles and Magnums don't mean anything if the entire infantry force is equipped with weapons like that. >>
Except the C-14 isn't the Halo sniper (not by a long shot) and the Battle Rifle matches the C-14 in almost every category and is a weapon that the UNSC does use. You act like they are like the Terrans and only give out one weapon, they don't.
<< And if you really want to get technical, a .50 caliber Sniper Rifle (Halo / Real World) cannot penetrate more than half an inch of steel, much less 2". >>
No, a .50 cal can't... but the Sniper doesn't use a .50 cal, it uses a .57 caliber. A .57 cal can pierce 1.5 inches of steel when fired at a muzzle velocity of 1,005 meters/sec, the Sniper has a much higher muzzle velocity, about 1,530 meters/sec, more force behind the bullet means more kinetic energy, its piercing at least 2" of steel.
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that is an opinion and it is fanwanking. The C-14 fires spikes which can penetrate 2 inches of steel (steel, not neosteel, neosteel is unquantifiable thus is unusable). The Magnum's rounds are comparable to a round we have today (but bigger, and packed with a experimental high explosive) and this round can penetrate 3-4 inches of steel. At 50 meters the Magnum dominates the C-14.And unless you can prove your claim with something in-universe, it's wank. Also, 50m is pretty tame compared to the effective range of an Impaler at 1km or above.
Now, the RPM. That's just plain wrong. The C-14 is fired in a burst mode as opposed to full auto, in full auto it shoots 300 rounds/sec. Burst-mode, the mode generally used by the Terrans because it lowers the energy needed by the gun (to keep it on target) and because burst-mode conserves ammo. In other words, the Burst-mode cannot fire at 300 rounds a minute when in burst mode, this would conserve no ammo, thus the RPM is significantly lower.
Ah, you're already assuming it fires less than 300 rounds/sec, that's good but wrong. Its not taking into account the time between bursts, which would lower the RPM. Modify that, will ya?1. It's 30 rounds per second not 300.
2. Your ''argument'' doesn't change the fact it can lay down so many rouns so fast. You don't judge weapons' ROF by trying to cherrypick specific circumstances that have nothing to do with the weapon's capability.
I hope I explained why neosteel means nothing to me. Unless you have some actual numbers for how strong it is? Though, given Blizzard's lack of putting that stuff up, I doubt it. But hey, you want to bring in unquantifiable metals in the mix, can I mention that the Magnum is capable of penetrating Mjolnir armor which can survive a low-atmospheric drop (e.g. the Master Chief's reentry)? Because I'm willing to bet being able to fall from several kilometers high and crash land into a forest puts out a lot more MPa than either steel, concrete, and titanium all mixed together would be able to take without breaking.You understand MC was using a Forerunner bulkhead as protection during his fall right? The same bulkhead made out of, guess what; an unquantifiable material.
Using regular steel as a low-point when trying to determine how tough a sci-fi metal or alloy is is kind of understandable. But that doesn't mean said low-end calc should be universally accepted because of a lack of detailed information.
Ha. No. A single marine would get slaughtered. 2 marines would get slaughtered. 5 marines would get slaughtered. 9 marines would get slaughtered. And then the Spartan would have to reload his magnum. On a good day, it would take 10 Terran Marines to take out 1 Spartan, assuming the Spartan never ran for cover.This is incredibly context specific.
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Uh, no. As you know, because you point it out every chance you get, the Halo universe uses ammo that is practically the same today. Ergo, if I can find a round which can do X and which is comparable to the round in question, its a perfectly viable example of what the Halo round would be capable of doing. In the case of the magnum, I am actually severally limiting its effectiveness because the round I am comparing it to is only AP, whereas the Magnum uses Semi-AP-HP rounds.
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Yeah, 50 is, which is why I also added the BR into the equation, the BR has comparable ammo to the magnum (except it most-closest approximation today can only penetrate 3" of still, still hampering the BR back by the way) and is effective at much better ranges.
<< 1. It's 30 rounds per second not 300.
2. Your ''argument'' doesn't change the fact it can lay down so many rouns so fast. You don't judge weapons' ROF by trying to cherrypick specific circumstances that have nothing to do with the weapon's capability. >>
1. My bad, misremembered. In that case the ROF is reduced down from that.
2. What cherry picking am I doing? Oh, unless, do you mean that I take into consideration the mode in which it is fired? Because... that's not cherry picking. If a marine was using that weapon, he would use the burst-mode and that means a lower ROF.
<< You understand MC was using a Forerunner bulkhead as protection during his fall right? The same bulkhead made out of, guess what; an unquantifiable material. >>
Lol, you understand MC didn't have said unquantifiable metal when he landed, right? Unless it vanished from beneath him in the span of a few hours? Lol, is it hydrophobic or something? Come on. Even if we assume the metal door (not a bulkhead, but that's whatever) weighed him down (reducing his speed on the fall), he still hit the ground with more MPa than Steel, titanium, and concrete could take without breaking... and yet Mjolnir didn't break.
<< Using regular steel as a low-point when trying to determine how tough a sci-fi metal or alloy is is kind of understandable. But that doesn't mean said low-end calc should be universally accepted because of a lack of detailed information. >>
Yes, it should. Neosteel = steel across the board. Unless you can bring up actual calcs for how strong it is... actual calcs made by Bungie, that is, not fan stuff.
<< This is incredibly context specific. >>
Uh, yeah, it is. Its the best way to determine how many marines it would take to take out a Spartan, if you take in other factors like cover, more variable weapons, overshield, etc; the ratio becomes a lot more skewered
Uh, no. As you know, because you point it out every chance you get, the Halo universe uses ammo that is practically the same today. Ergo, if I can find a round which can do X and which is comparable to the round in question, its a perfectly viable example of what the Halo round would be capable of doing. In the case of the magnum, I am actually severally limiting its effectiveness because the round I am comparing it to is only AP, whereas the Magnum uses Semi-AP-HP rounds.Except unlike RL weapons, we don't exactly know things like the bullet velocity and propellant for truly accurate calcs. You also understand semi-AP ammo is going to have less penetration than full FMG AP rounds right?
Yeah, 50 is, which is why I also added the BR into the equation, the BR has comparable ammo to the magnum (except it most-closest approximation today can only penetrate 3" of still, still hampering the BR back by the way) and is effective at much better ranges.Which is not the Magnum, which we're talking about.
1. My bad, misremembered. In that case the ROF is reduced down from that.
2. What cherry picking am I doing? Oh, unless, do you mean that I take into consideration the mode in which it is fired? Because... that's not cherry picking. If a marine was using that weapon, he would use the burst-mode and that means a lower ROF.1. That's still spitting out rounds as fast as a fricken Minigun with exceptional accuracy at ranges twice that of RL rifles' effective ranges.
2. And it's utterly irrelevant as full-auto is still attainable just by holding down the trigger. Impaler rifles aren't limited to burst fire, assuming they'll always be because the Marines have the common sense to conserve ammo and fire in discipline is just plain wrong.
Lol, you understand MC didn't have said unquantifiable metal when he landed, right? Unless it vanished from beneath him in the span of a few hours? Lol, is it hydrophobic or something? Come on. Even if we assume the metal door (not a bulkhead, but that's whatever) weighed him down (reducing his speed on the fall), he still hit the ground with more MPa than Steel, titanium, and concrete could take without breaking... and yet Mjolnir didn't break.Except the bulkhead is what is taking the brunt of the force and dispersing thermal and kinetic energy over it's entire surface area, effectively acting as a cushion for Chief's fall and taking a good deal of the energy from the fall away from him. Mjolnir also has this thing called an energy shield and built-in shock-absorbing gel layers.
I also don't see what's so impressive about it. All kinds of materials regularly fall on Earth in the form of meteorites and they aren't some sci-fi supermetal.
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<< Except unlike RL weapons, we don't exactly know things like the bullet velocity and propellant for truly accurate calcs. >>
We do have muzzle velocity for most of the weapons, actually, and that hints at how hard they hit.
<< You also understand semi-AP ammo is going to have less penetration than full FMG AP rounds right? >>
Well, first, FMJ =/= AP. Second, its semi-AP because it only kind of penetrates through armor, its semi-AP because its not strictly AP. In the case of the magnum, its armor piercing and HP, high explosive. So... even if we assume it only kind of penetrates armor, the HP more than makes up for that.
<< Which is not the Magnum, which we're talking about. >>
So... we aren't comparing all of the weapons then?
<< 1. That's still spitting out rounds as fast as a fricken Minigun with exceptional accuracy at ranges twice that of RL rifles' effective ranges.
2. And it's utterly irrelevant as full-auto is still attainable just by holding down the trigger. Impaler rifles aren't limited to burst fire, assuming they'll always be because the Marines have the common sense to conserve ammo and fire in discipline is just plain wrong. >>
1. That's debatable.
2. No, its much more wrong, and very stupid, to say "The marines always use this gun in this fashion but for this one fight we'll assume they will use this alternate mode of the weapon for absolutely no reason other than we want them to." You are effectively changing the way the marines fight.
<< Except the bulkhead is what is taking the brunt of the force and dispersing thermal and kinetic energy over it's entire surface area, effectively acting as a cushion for Chief's fall and taking a good deal of the energy from the fall away from him. >>
Ok, so, you are saying as the Master Chief fell, the door absorbed all the kinetic and thermal energy? Alright, that sounds correct. And then, when he crashed, you think the door still absorbed all the energy of the crash despite it being no where to be seen? And while your answering that, maybe you can tell me how the door covered Master Chief's back when he was holding it in front of him because you know he landed on his back, right? And then tell me how the door got out from underneath him without disturbing any of the deres that accumulated around the Chief.
<< Mjolnir also has this thing called an energy shield and built-in shock-absorbing gel layers. >>
Lol, the desperate grasps of a desperate man. The energy shield wouldn't have reloaded, since its thermal sensitive it would have aided in keeping the Chief from burning alive (not all the thermal energy was absorbed, that's not how physics works) and the shock absorbing gel layers would have aided in keeping John safe, not the armor which is what I am talking about.
<< I also don't see what's so impressive about it. All kinds of materials regularly fall on Earth in the form of meteorites and they aren't some sci-fi supermetal. >>
Yep... and they burn up while flying through the atmosphere until just a tiny, itty bitty part of it hits the earth. Do you not know how this stuff works? Google it. There's a reason only the bigger meteorites are anything to worry about.
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If I had the time and effort on the Terrans, I would probably debate this. As it is finals are upon me!
However sincei know the Ghosts I can debate them. Ghosts have now been equipped with suits that allow more or less permanent cloaking, are all expert snipers on their own accord, and according to Starcraft: Spectres tyheir suits are more or less resistant to many conventional forms of detection, including motion. Any UNSC sniper would be extremely hard pressed to take them out.
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Finals. The killer of all college students XD
Since we are taking ghosts, would it be fair to compare them to SPARTANs? Linda-058 was capable of taking out a Banshee in one shot by firing through the tiny slit between the canopy and the lower portion, while it is diving towards her. A Banshee diving goes at about 120 mph. This is a high-end feat, Lind is the best sniper of all the SPARTANs, so its fair to assume no other SPARTAN could achieve this shot, but I think its safe to say a SPARTAN could take out a Ghost even a cloaked Ghost; they are able to take out cloaked Elites and even if we assume their cloak is better, its not perfect and it gives away the same tell-tail signs as the cloaking device in Halo (i.g. the air "ripples" around cloaked individuals.) And, we cannot discount the SPARTANs energy shields, which are capable of taking at least one round from the Ghosts's sniper before collapsing.
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" Linda-058 was capable of taking out a Banshee in one shot by firing through the tiny slit between the canopy and the lower portion ... A Banshee diving goes at about 120 mph."
-- That's it?
Zerg Hydralisks do that. A Hyrdralisk on a good day can take down a jet aircraft flying at Mach speeds. This is the stuff that Terran Marines are up against.
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